Fat Acceptance Drove Them Over 500 Pounds

[@dontgetsore]

If my 600 lbs life showed me anything, it's that people can be in serious denial about how much they eat.

[@BellaFit53]

Have you watched "Secret Eaters"?

[@dontgetsore]

@@BellaFit53 I think I've only seen clips from it.

[@BellaFit53]

@@dontgetsore it's not as heavy (no pun intended) as My 600 lb life. It definitely focuses on the fact that people don't realize how much they actually consume. Most people have a good sense of humor about it and is an easy watch.

[@dontgetsore]

@@BellaFit53 I'll look it up. Thanks for the rec. :)

[@izzyc87ic]

I didn't know how much I ate until i got a food scale and a calorie counting app. It's been very helpful.

[@Jess-Rabbit]

Really can't stand when people say "I've tried every diet". Automatically I know you're doing it wrong. Diets will only make you lose weight temporarily. You need to change your LIFE

[@DiMagnolia]

This. The moment I tell myself I’m on a diet or counting calories or whatever, I freak out and go back to bad habits/BED. BUT as I’ve been making small slow sustainable changes that make me feel better (such as cutting out foods that spike my blood sugar/insulin, which makes me dizzy… eating lots of fruits and veggies… reducing “junk food” or foods I’m intolerant to because they make me feel so awful… going on walks or going dancing or doing yoga to relieve back pain and move my body…) I’ve naturally lost weight slowly and sustainably.

[@richiesmom12]

Right? I can say I tried fasting because I don’t eat in my sleep. When a “diet” lasts a couple days you haven’t tried and failed it. Exercise doesn’t make me lose weight if I go to the gym 3 times and quit. You can’t “try” things you have to change things. I am on WW and it has taught me not only what foods to eat but what foods are not worth the calories and what foods make me feel good/full, it is a lifestyle change not a “try”. Since starting WW the first week in July I have not had one spike or drop in my blood sugar that was happening several times a week before.

[@SieMiezekatze]

To be fair diet means lifestyle , if you have a lower calories intake diet for a while you are guaranteed to lose weight ,it took me two years to lose all the extra weight i gained in a year , and so far i have keep it off for 3 years and a half , i believe permanent change takes time

[@LowBMIVoice]

Yes!!! I think there is a lot of confusion around dieting versus making a lifestyle change. "Dieting" isn't sustainable nor should it be. A diet is a precursor (hopefully) to a lifestyle change that needs to be maintained! Or just change your lifestyle without the diet, depending on your needs. 🙏

[@emjayee]

Kinda. I go on periodic diets. Like every 5 years or so, to reset my appetite. I will do a thousand calories for a month. And then I go back to what I was doing before, but my appetite is cut down by like 75%. I don't consider that changing my life, just a reset.

[@theirmanager5204]

What I dislike about this is that it’s a message of powerlessness.

[@kimicope_]

Yes!! And it's a lie, you can have disorders that make weight loss more difficult and still lose weight and in a healthy way. Unfortunately being obese can cause the disorders she has now. I have hypothyroidism and PCOS I lost almost 100 lbs and have kept it off while eating like a normal person I simply just stopped over eating and move more. It's not hard at all it just takes effort

[@2xxnevaehh]

@@kimicope_congrats on your 100lb weight loss!! 💕

[@Xenyaje]

It's like deciding math isnt real cuz u cant solve any of it..... but we the evil ones pushing the math agenda #LUL

[@cl5470]

Yup. But they call it empowerment. And they will tell people who do take control of their lives and lose weight that they are slaves to diet culture. It's so backward. They are slaves to their cravings.

[@Bonthegrid]

It's like keeping people hostage in their own minds 😔

[@josephmiller954]

Nobody who admits to losing only 5lbs in a lifetime of dieting can say they've tried hard enough and it's the fault of some condition they have.

[@EziekielNightwind]

They did every diet in the world, except for one that would restrict their calories by 500 under their maintenance.

[@smugandsmarmy]

The only thing I’d say to amend the point (which I generally agree with!) is that Jordan was talking about diets between 8 - 17 years old. No 8 year old needs to be put on a diet! Yes, they may very well need an adjustment to their food choices and intake but telling an 8 year old they need a diet just sets them up with all kinds of problems. Again though, I do agree with your statement!!

[@MsGlitterBombz]

​​@@smugandsmarmy200-300lb 8 year olds (they do exist) DO need a diet

[@kimicope_]

Right, it actually annoys me because I have every excuse in the book. I've had eating disorders, PCOS and hypothyroidism and yet I've still been able to lose almost 100 lbs and keep it off and now I don't have PCOS symptoms and my thyroid is in a healthy level that I no longer take medications. If you want to be a victim you'll stay a victim and blame disorders instead of working towards a goal

[@2xxnevaehh]

all fat positive people always say they’ve tried every diet and barely lost anything 😭 like maybe you actually didn’t do the diet then?? you guys aren’t medical anomalies they never take accountability

[@_Mamimi]

“Done every diet” No you haven’t. Test driving a diet for one meal doesn’t count

[@emma2370]

Exactly. I think we all have “tried” a diet where we actually didn’t do what we needed. It’s only after you really stick with healthy behaviors and are consistent do you realize you didn’t actually try before.

[@Xenyaje]

come on man she starved herself for like 30 min what else do u want of her ?!?!??! XD

[@powderandpaint14]

For her specific conditions she was also advised to go on a keto or low carb diet. She made a huge fuss about it but when she finally did it helped her symptoms.

[@InaStanley83]

​@@powderandpaint14exactly, I remember them saying they'd rather die than do keto. Granted it's important to be careful because a lot of folks don't follow a keto lifestyle properly and try to depend on all the "keto-friendly" junk food that now exists (and unfortunately, highly processed junk food is still highly processed junk food no matter what label you slap on it). But focusing on a diet of mostly whole foods with higher protein, healthy fats from whole food sources (not harmful industrial seed oils), no sugar, and low carbs WILL lower inflammation, reduce water retention (because it has diuretic effects on the body), and help a person start to lose fat. Supporting keto with strength training for just 30 minutes 2 to 3 times a week and daily walks of at least 30 minutes can seriously increase the fat loss. And for those who can safely do so, intermittent fasting or even just shifting to only eating twice a day can take that success even further. But it's a lifestyle change that a person has to be willing to make long-term, and really make a commitment to stay away from the "healthy" junk food. Doing keto properly there no way a person would gain 150 lbs, especially not in a short amount of time.

[@Controversialopinions69]

Doing a diet and sticking to a diet are two different things

[@SB-fi1fv]

interesting that they're 'concerned' about the side effects of a drug while turning a blind eye to the side effects of obesity even when it's directly affecting them

[@emma2370]

Good point

[@ximar0ckstrx]

Thank you!

[@Nopee906]

Reminds me of people who smoke cigarettes but won't vape because of cancer. Like. There's a bigger battle here, but okay.

[@MsKeebe]

Excellent point. They’ll never accept that.

[@kawaiimagicalex5170]

good point. people say to me dont take depression medicantion its not good. but they ignore beacuse they are fat but ignor i can die if i dont take my medication.

[@jaimereynolds258]

Parent's fault when you were a child, but as an adult, 100% your fault.

[@tristanmaben]

Thank you 👏🏾

[@AlicePRabbits]

Exactly! And who puts an 8 year old on WW?! Cook healthy and don’t have junk food in the house!

[@CAMarg-zs1xq]

​@@AlicePRabbits My mom had me on the cabbage soup diet and in WW at a young age. The cabbage soup diet was the absolute worst my friends from elementary school remember me hysterically crying bc I was so hungry. I remember the hunger pain.

[@Controversialopinions69]

​@CAMarg-zs1xq ur parents were awful but as an adult its ur job to take responsibility now not your parents (thats what the person is saying) when ur a child its not ur doing but as an adult its time to take responsibility for ur actions its no one elses fault

[@Controversialopinions69]

​@@AlicePRabbitsover here in new zealand u cant put children on weight watchers u have to be a certain age im surprised america isnt the same

[@gymdilettante8407]

My wife used to be very overweight for her whole life. She tried different things but couldn't lose the weight until like 10-15 years ago she started approaching it by just making small changes. The first one was just cutting out drinks with cals. Then she added walking more. She lost 120 pounds and has kept it off. I'm so glad she didn't fall into this fat acceptance BS

[@sophiesonozaki5886]

Congratulations!!

[@angiecats5298]

That’s exactly how easy it is, walking and changing your diet. Your wife is an amazing woman for figuring that out.

[@ShelveetaCheese]

She is GOALS 😩I’m inspired

[@natalielawyerchick]

I love that you’re so proud of her and recognize she was having a hard time and found what worked for her

[@kaciewarren2626]

When you are 400+ lbs losing weight will help *almost* every health condition. Acting like doctors aren't listening and are mean for suggesting weight loss is wild.

[@junrobin9335]

I mean behaviour like that usually comes from mental health issues. If the only solution you get is lose weight. You're not gonna change unhealthy coping mechanisms, you're not gonna adress the mental health issues causing them to eat like that. You as a doctor basically slap on a band aid and say, that's good enough. As a patient in that moment you're also not gonna feel heard. Because you eat out of distress over something and instead of adressing the distress they adress your weight. Imagine going in for a check up and you go I feel depressed. And the doctor says, its cause of your weight try losing it. When the depression existed before the overweight and even caused the overweight cause you only had food to self sooth. Just saying sugar gives you the happy hormone and if no one else provides comfort for you that's a common choice for kids to fall back on. Then as an adult being told to drop it with no alternative? And then all the negative comments reinforcing your low self image. Its no wonder they blame everyone else, give up on themselves and claim the doctors aren't listening or helping.

[@newmoonie333]

@@junrobin933522:00

[@mediumzoning]

When I was really heavy I had several hormone issues and scoliosis that were ignored and blamed on my weight at first

[@nataliegist2014]

I was skinny when I became sick it wasn’t until after that I gained weight the weight was from the medication, that the VA put me on that made me much worse, and made me carb and sugar addicted.

[@spOOkytimes]

What's difficult is that people say they aren't getting core issues treated (which is completely fair), but those core issues are hard to find when so many negative symptoms are often directly tied to obesity. You can't just take a patient on their word, unfortunately. There has to be hard evidence to back up a diagnosis so a doctor can justify treating it and doesn't potentially get in legal trouble in the future. Losing weight may help treat the symptoms and, if it doesn't, a doctor has better grounds to give other treatments. It definitely suck, because it's hard to lose weight while one is suffering, but this is the world we live in.

[@LoriKopf]

So Jordan can lose 150 pounds but also can't lose weight. 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@PrincessJordie]

YES LMAO. I thought the same thing. “Wow but you literally lost 150lbs.”

[@beultra3083]

So basically, this person went out of their way to find a doctor who wouldn't talk about weight or presumably even measure their weight, and now they're mad that the doctor didn't bring up their weight gain.

[@beewest5704]

I manage a health centre & we have a Dr that refuses to treat anybody in the body positivity cult. They expect the Dr to deal with the myraid of health issues without tackling the main contributing problem which is their weight.

[@Minty_Blitz]

Damn, "no control over the body"? There are people with severe cerebral palsy that work out every day and are very mobile. Having trauma and issues just means you have trauma and issues, not that your body acts by itself

[@terminaldeity]

I have severe migraines/cluster headaches. They're completely disabling. Sometimes they last for weeks at a time. I still stick to regular schedules for working out, cooking healthy meals, and going on daily hour-long walks, because I know these things are good for me and will ultimately improve my symptoms. I've had some really messed up stuff happen to me in recent months, too, but above all, I know that I ultimately have control over my body, and I can choose what I do with it, and what I put into it. And everyone can. We all have our limits, but we shouldn't be afraid to push those limits and strive for a stronger and better future.

[@JanieBee]

I’m sure whenever they see the videos of people with literally no legs who are ripped or the folks with debilitating conditions who manage a fit lifestyle they just scroll right past pretending it never happened

[@livewellwitheds6885]

seriously! I am 100% disabled and have never said that I have no control over my body 😂 despite using a powerchair and relying on medical implants to stay alive. everybody has some level of control

[@Pop.Shroom.Smoke1]

God does it infuriate and sadden me to watch people blame everything but themselves, and not take responsibility until it's too late.

[@peanut9633]

It's even more maddening because it's a decision they have to make decisions their bodies like everyone else to and save their own lives, but they get us involved by shouting about body positivity and fat acceptance or saying they have no choice. I want them to live

[@leeretaschen231]

I suppose “Fat acceptance” kept shoveling the heaps of food into her mouth. No discipline and no accountability. That’s why she’s in the position that she’s in.

[@ellietenenbaum3486]

They think about their body like it's some foreign object which they have no control over.

[@shewygirl]

You know there are Obesogenic medications right, it is a thing. Meaning meds that make you gain and make it impossible to lose weight. You do know Lipedema is a legit disease right. While she is fat and can lose some of the weight the Lipedema will not go away and she will never be a “normal” size. I cant stand the fat acceptance… but being formerly morbidly obese I empathize with them and those who struggle because its all a facade. None of them WANT to actually be obese, they give into it because its hard af to lose weight when your body is literally fighting you. Obesity is a legit disease as well. Its brain and metabolic dysfunction and the last form of discrimination that’s acceptable. Its scientifically proven that those with chronic obesity their bodies and brains do not function the same, yet people refuse to accept this because of fat bias and because it has to do with food and they keep thinking the move more eat less works so easily for everyone like every obese person hasnt tried that. Thats why the newer glp medications help so much, they help regulate hormones and help fix metabolic dysregulation while you put in the work. Obesity is a complex and multifaceted disease and I wish people would educate themselves on it. No one wants to be obese, many just give into it because they feel there is no hope. Trust me all these fat activists are putting on a facade, even Tess Holiday, they just need to get the proper help and put in the fucking work and not give up. Its hard af and we will have to fight the weight and the set point for the rest of our lives, but its not impossible.

[@FaustDx]

​@ellietenenbaum3486 what's your opinion on the physical deformed or mentally disabled

[@rachel__4497]

So strange that she compared ozempic to cigarettes... I always compare junk food to cigarettes

[@Xenyaje]

honestly i think fast food is even more aggressive than cigarettes, i would compare it to hard dr*gs or alcohol addiction

[@AntSugar]

How dare you imply that eating soda and candy isn't self love and nourishing 😡 😂

[@Controversialopinions69]

Especially when it saves peoples lives like wtf diabetics need it to live its not just a medication for weightloss JORDAN do ur research JORDAN

[@Controversialopinions69]

​@@AntSugari drink soda i dont eat it 😂

[@Gumbyloomy]

*they

[@Strawbebbyy]

My dr mentioned I gained weight: 😡 My dr didn’t mention I gained weight: 😡

[@cookie_monster783]

Fr jahahahahha

[@spOOkytimes]

My doctor didn't treat my issues: 😡 My doctor tried to treat my issue but it was wrong: 😡 People like Jordan are why I could never be in healthcare.

[@lr8280]

“I was experiencing something called leg weeping” “Weight loss drugs can have horrible side effects” Are those side effects worse than immobility and leg weeping?

[@strawberryfields1094]

No they are not.

[@strawberryfields1094]

The GLP-1s like Zepbound and Wegovy also have cardiovascular protective benefits that decrease the risk of dying from a cardiovascular event every month someone is on them, regardless of weight loss. They are anti-inflammatory medications.

[@LilyLuluko]

I heard “leg weeping” and gagged. What the FUCK.

[@_goblin-_-mode_]

How is this person seriously saying that their weight isn't their fault, its not a problem, and also upset when their HAES doctor didn't address their weight gain? Is your weight an indicator of your health or not?

[@Chuckakhan]

Jordy is an AFAB person, they’re the grand person (I don’t know the appropriate pronoun here) of Cecil underwood who was a governor of West Virginia.

[@jofromthething]

@@Chuckakhanit would simply be grandchild lol child is not a gendered term

[@JS-mg1mk]

​@@jofromthethinggranddaughter

[@kelseyp600]

Sounds like the world should just revolve around them

[@anonmouse15]

In a similar manner to how they loathe scales. Surely you wouldn't mind them if you are completely comfortable with your morbid obesity?

[@TipTheScales27]

I can just tell the two hosts were secretly majorly disagreeing with her and were hoping they could coax her into finally just admitting that she’s simply overeating

[@2xxnevaehh]

literally!! when she/they had told the 2 women that they would also probably lose control of their bodies and gain copious amounts of weight too and one of the women shook her head no but still agreed it gave me secondhand embarrassment 😭😭 😭

[@Greenmountainferns]

Yep, if there was bubble text above these two women’s head it might say “there’s a lot of holes in your story buddy, seems like a lifetime of over eating to me”

[@johannas.l.brushane2518]

What...did I get it right? She have chose to go to a HAES gp, and now she suggest that it was wrong of the doctor brought up the rapid weight gain....but what prevented herself to bring it up?

[@Gumbyloomy]

*they

[@AllieEm1]

@@Gumbyloomy*she

[@gays4wumbology396]

Ok but if taking ozempic is a neoliberal “feminist choice,” is eating yourself to the point of immobility and/or an early death not also a “feminist choice”?

[@DiMagnolia]

Yeah the latter is a much more fitting comparison to smoking as a “feminist choice”

[@Jay-vz7og]

they don't view becoming fat as a 'choice'. ironically, smoking is less likely to be a choice as nicotine is addictive

[@Scorch1028]

Taking Ozempic is a neoliberal feminist choice? I thought that most _feminists_ were happy to be obese and unattractive to men?

[@spOOkytimes]

It makes me angry when Jordan spews all this sociology jargon while saying absolutely nothing, a true cornerstone of anti-intellectualism trying to hidebehind big words to throw people off their trail. Some of the smartest people you will ever meet can talk about things informatively to a wide audience because they understand that not everyone knows these buzzwords/fillers/essoteric garbage. So for people who feel like they are being talked down to by Jordan, you are, but, don't worry, they aren't saying anything of value to begin with. Just regurgitating something they read on Tumblr or Twitter somewhere.

[@plague9774]

Yknow, just girly things 💁‍♀️/s

[@carlvjack]

The BMI thing whenever someone brings up how flawed it is from my experience do not belong to the groups of people who are athletes where BMI is not accurate...

[@shani1928]

None of them is an athlrte, so...

[@LottieLaRats]

I dont think any of them realize just how large the range of healthy weight is in the BMI. I could gain 20 lbs and STILL be within the healthy range, but they're just so large that 20 lbs looks like nothing to them. Edit: the the math, I'm already within the healthy range. I COULD GAIN ALMOST 40 LBS AND STILL BE IN THAT HEALHTY RANGE

[@Taywanee]

And even athletes will tell you regardless of if their weight is from muscle or fat, being a higher body weight is not good for you. It puts unnecessary strain on the heart.

[@Chuckakhan]

I always make the point that, ok the bmi is flawed what metric would you like to choose to measure obesity because I’m pretty sure you will come out looking worse

[@SieMiezekatze]

BMI is so forgivin , i could gain 10 kilos and be healthy or lose 10 kg and being healthy still, i prefer measuring with tape , only way to get it right

[@TextbookCommittee]

18:56 Doctors and other providers get understandably apprehensive when a 500 lb person walks in their door for several reasons… because getting to 500 lbs generally indicates an addiction to food and the accompanying denial/mental gymnastics (as demonstrated by Jordan), the weight presents a VASTLY higher risk of bad outcomes, and there are likely a whole bunch of comorbidities to treat/take into account. Also, specialized equipment is needed (scales, blood pressure cuffs, chairs, beds, wheelchairs, imaging equipment, etc). All of these are valid issues for medical providers.

[@spOOkytimes]

Thank you!! The comorbidities alone make it difficult to treat obese people. Doctors don't hate fat people. They need fat people to lose weight before they can meaningfully treat somebody. Nothing wrong with reducing suffering to help that person lose weight, but deeper issues are hard to find and treat while the patient is obese. Losing weight can lessen or even completely reverse some issues.

[@LilyLuluko]

Everyone deserves good healthcare, but part of what makes healthcare good is the provider having the expertise to treat the patient effectively. Obese patients are complicated patients (and also judging by Jordan, DIFFICULT patients) and it’s totally fair for a physician to not want to take them on.

[@daviddavitha]

The way some people will fight tooth and nail to stay in ignorance ia amazing.

[@MsKeebe]

I’ve tried every diet. Exercise? No. Why do you ask?

[@nummulite99]

It’s because no one enjoys admitting they were wrong. Or were misled. It’s not just when it comes to obesity, it’s everything and anything. Politics. Vaccines. Flat earth. It’s a self-defence mechanism.

[@alanbudde8560]

zero accountability, so sad and a recipe for an unhappy life

[@SieMiezekatze]

They are convinced they are the only happy illuminated ones , and we that disagree are the miserable , is ridiculous

[@aleishab961]

​@SieMiezekatze anyone who has been even just "overweight" knows that excess weight is painful in some way, whether it's your joints or your breathing whatever. You. Have. Pain. And a lot if it. The only person she is hurting is herself but she cares more about telling us we are "wrong" okay but I changed my life, I got healthy/lost weight, and now I don't have pain. But sure Jan, you're the one "winning" here🙄

[@AprilTheRockStar]

I could be out of touch, but who's considering women taking Ozempic a feminist choice? And in the 80s, NOBODY was encouraging women to smoke to be more feminist 🙄 By the 80s, everyone had known smoking was terrible for you for literal decades. The audacity to straight up not have a clue what they're talking about yet still keep talking is bonkers. ETA: I'm referring to the statement about tobacco ads in the 1980s. Not the 20s or 50s, since it wasn't confirmed until the 60s that smoking could cause loads of health problems. Just talking about the 80s here.

[@DiMagnolia]

It’s such a strange comparison

[@maggieann9159]

Does this logic in Jordan’s mind also apply to sex work? In our neoliberal capitalist society people are yass kweening the decision to participate in sex work as a feminist choice. Is it only the paths they agree with that can be lauded as approved feminist choices?

[@Attmay]

They also insisted saturated fat was bad for you, but they were wrong.

[@Controversialopinions69]

Does he identify as a man?

[@MsKeebe]

Even in the sixties everyone knew the horrible effects of smoking.

[@maryhamric]

"I want this to not be my fault at all and you need to agree with me or you are a bad person." This message of passivity and powerlessness and blame on everything but her is infuriating. This is NOT how her body is made to be.

[@richiesmom12]

Body Positivity is to love yourself despite what you may not like, to love who you are, it was never meant to be an excuse to be as obese as you wanted. I can love myself even if I was an alcoholic but that doesn’t mean that self love means I don’t have to stop drinking it just means I won’t hate myself as I better myself.

[@StarkJerk]

Jordan: “I’ve only ever been able to lose 5lbs.” Also Jordan: “I gained 150lb, but also lost it.” 🤔

[@veil693]

Didn’t you hear? It was 150 pounds of inflammation 😂😂

[@StarkJerk]

@@veil693 Imagine 😂🫣

[@Mgmorris98]

I’m 2 minutes in and she already said doctors were wrong and she was right because of her own opinions of health and her body. at that point I just have to stop listening side note: a pet peeve is when people say they’re “trying” or “on track” and then you watch Amberlynn and “on track” means you’re just merely thinking about getting better but not taking the steps at all. I don’t believe she was actually taking the necessary steps or eating the rights foods and still gained 150lbs. and then when she reached out the doctors, they tell her why and she ignores them because they didn’t tell her what she wants to hear, which is that she has some sort of rare condition and the gain is not her fault. I can’t.

[@florabeltaine4620]

Hello, Jordan Underwood is nonbinary and uses they/them pronouns.

[@lesaubergines]

@@florabeltaine4620 no one cares ❤ also she uses he pronouns too, which is even goofier

[@VerminaeSupremacy]

@@florabeltaine4620the most American thing about this human entity besides being obnoxiously out of proportion

[@auto_math]

​@@florabeltaine4620is ot that imoortant ?

[@Siouxsi-Sioux]

So,they're crazy and fat.​@@florabeltaine4620

[@CatherineB554]

Thanks for your vids! They are inspiring and help me keep in good health...down 33 pounds to 161 pounds! At 61yo, I'm pretty dang healthy!!

[@peanut9633]

So glad a lot of people are snapping out of it. Mass delulu

[@Attmay]

Found the Brad Polumbo viewer

[@JanieBee]

Fr. I knew it wouldn’t fly because no one WANTS to be fat (except ppl who are fetishists or are fat and give up on changing). And then it didn’t help when the fat activists/gluttonous mukbangers started dying off

[@zorororo1851]

Her having a breakdown over the doctor telling her to do keto tells me everything about her trying everything.

[@nickygouldstone3532]

She's eating 5000+ calories a day. It's simple. It's not some crazy conspiracy or health condition. She just eats and eats and eats. If she went to an inpatient for a month she would lose all the weight.

[@elalogar7340]

With the way how the prices of food are going, soon many of these FA activists are going to start to lose weight, since they wouldn't be able to afford to buy such large amount of food anymore.

[@ByeByeBelly]

Yeah, she needs medication to reduce the appetite, or weight loss surgery. Not sure why she quit mounjaro after a month

[@lainiwakura1776]

@@elalogar7340 Jordan's family has money and her mother is an enabler, that won't be happening anytime soon with her.

[@lainiwakura1776]

@@ByeByeBelly Because food is more important to her than her health.

[@volleyballjet81]

It’s interesting seeing how this movement has evolved over time. It started with acceptance and finding happiness with your own body and now it has somehow shifted into “I have no control over my own body so it’s not my fault that I feel unhappy with myself and how I feel.”

[@cl5470]

The body positivity movement was actually started by feeder men in the 60's so they could find vulnerable women to feed. Look into it. This has never been about feeling good in your body. Ironically, it has always been about serving pervert men and their genitals. It is rhe opposite of the fierce feminist movement they pretend it is.

[@MsKeebe]

When I watch the reaction videos on My 600lb Life I spend the entire time rolling my eyes. I’m so miserable. ‘I’ve been stuck in this bed for years.’ Whose fault is that? You’re bedridden because you can 30K calories in your job every day.

[@kathyflorcruz552]

They were never happy about it in the first place.

[@PonyTrotsky]

Gosh. That's a room full of interesting fashion choices.

[@KaliKali-hv9bt]

You’re too kind 😅

[@tammyiswicked]

Can’t stop laughing at this comment. So polite.

[@nummulite99]

Very mature

[@bernaglassman7113]

Great observation 💯😊

[@christineeleonorepoppe6745]

That's an understatement 😂😂😂

[@kenziesunshinee925]

This is not the point of the video, but that host going "what's wygovy?" had me dyinggg. Kind of gave the impression they had no idea what was going on on their own podcast lol

[@ByeByeBelly]

Lol their podcast isn't all about health is it? If it is, that'd be embarrassing

[@AmuseeBoucher]

It was very ironic to hear Jordan make the point about Ozempic, smoking, and women's freedom of choice/feminism because that exact argument is very relevant and very valid, but not in regards to Ozempic, but rather exactly in regards to Fat Acceptance making it seem like giving in to the processed foods and overconsumption promoted by food industries and accepting the negative outcomes of doing so is some kind self-'liberation' from 'oppression' when really what its doing is harming people.

[@DiMagnolia]

You said it so well, I was thinking the same but couldn’t organize my thoughts to express it properly!

[@sus4nah]

PERIODDD

[@verdantvixen96]

Shhh, we only criticize capitalism and advertising in industries we don’t like. The ones we like are fine!

[@j.artiste8596]

Feminism doesn't apply to them anyway, because they are adamant that they are not a woman.

[@inkyjade]

As someone with hypermobile Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome in the process of losing 20 lbs of post-op overweight I gained, plus an additional 20 lbs in order to minimize pressure on my knees and ankles, I cannot imagine how my body would feel at 500+ lbs. My highest weight was 172 lbs and I was so much more pain than when I was 130 lbs. But even though my exercise is limited, I've been losing 1-2 lbs a week with consistent PT, low-impact movement, counting calories, and cutting out added sugar. I can't change the fact that I have hEDS, but I can control what I do about it.

[@verdantvixen96]

I’ve never been diagnosed with EDS but I have been diagnosed with a chronic pain condition. My pain levels at 130 are minuscule in comparison to when I was 190. My feet used to ache constantly. Everything was exhausting. 500+ pounds would literally cripple me. I don’t want to imagine how much that would hurt. The fact that she said she didn’t think her size contributed to her pain and that weight loss had nothing to do with her pain relief is baffling. That’s a level of mental gymnastics that I can’t even begin to comprehend.

[@icepriestess]

I have chronic pain and heds and my weight has fluctuated with kids and stuff. but I can't imagine how bad my legs and especially my hips, which are crippling at my size now, would be if I got up to a bigger size. I am always trying to be alert to my activity lvls and food because some days I can't really get out of bed so I have to be aware of that. I definitely think we need a more open approach in the medical system because seeing someone overweight and immediately assuming that is the only problem they have is dangerous and flawed. However, people also need to understand that they do have some control over their health and there isn't always a medical solution that explains everything either. Sometimes it's just bad eating or exercise habits and that's okay but don't pretend it's all out of your hands.

[@mcarter99]

I know someone who got really into Jordan Underwood and Maintenance Phase and they have at least doubled their body weight over the last three years. Their weight gain has accelerated over the last year. I am fat and I used to feel insecure standing next to them because they were half my size. Now they are bigger than me. It scares me how fast they have gained that amount of weight. My weight gain has been slow but steady my whole life (now losing weight and down 30lbs in 4 months!). It took me 20 years to get this big. they did it in 3. I really believe that Jordan Underwood and fat activism has influenced them and that they would not be gaining weight so rapidly without that influence. Gaining weight that fast is detrimental to your health and so hard to come back from.

[@elizabethsnazz92]

This is so sad and these FA influencers seem to completely disregard how many people are negatively affected by their content. I hope your friend gets some help asap

[@foolishlyfoolhardy6004]

Agreed. I also don't think you can suddenly gain 150lbs suddenly as lipeodema. Lipeodema seems to happen in periods of serious hormonal change, so puberty, pregnancy, and menopause. I know viceral fat does produce oestrogen, so gaining a certain amount of weight could potentially lead to lipoedema worsening, but 150lbs sounds a bit iffy - maybe if they developed lymphoedema along with it (because I don't doubt that they have lipoedema) then I can see both that massive weight gain and then quickly being able to shift it off with treatment being likely. I have signs that I have lipoedema though I'm not diagnosed, probably stage 1 or 2ish, got the painful legs, easy bruising, hypermobility of a few joints, realatively smaller upper body, looks like a genetic history etc, and I know, that it felt like I reach puberty and my legs doubled in size, but weight gain beyond that like you said, has been slow and gradual (3-5kg (6.6-11lbs) a year). And then when I have lost weight, either as a consequence of a lifestyles change or deliberately trying, I am perfectly capable of doing so (down 30+kgs (66lbs)). It doesn't move off my legs easily, but it does somewhat. And lipoedema really sucks, you reach one of those life periods, you quickly gain that relatively large amount of fat without lifestyle change on (mostly) your legs, and you get all that stigma and bullying which can wreck your self image (making you a perfect victim for HAES)- but FA people seem defeatist about it, saying it means you can't lose weight and you have no control over gaining it. And that's just not true, for most people with lipoedema they can prevent it from worsening by managing their diet - and you should want to prevent it from worsening because it will disable you. And now since lipoedema is becoming more recognised, we need to stop this narrative that if you have it, you're going to gain weight so you might as well just let it happen, and hopefully there will be more research into treatment especially for those people who do very quickly progress to stage 4 without gaining that viceral and stomach fat (which would suggest weight gain beyond that), I think there's one woman who exercises on tik tok with stage 4 and her upper body is tiny, but most of these obese people with stage 4 probably could've stopped it progressing taht far in the first place. ... I don't know about this EDS only showing up at 12 and not having had much effect especially as they've gotten larger. I guess if they've had the right tests, it's probably true, but they've gotten incredibly lucky not to be disabled from it at this size.

[@nummulite99]

No skinny person looks at someone like Jordan and thinks ‘oh yeah, I wanna look just like that!’ and gorge themselves into morbid obesity. If your friend put on so much weight in such a short period of time, there is something horribly wrong. Mentally or physically (or both). Instead of revelling in the fact that you’re now the (relatively) skinny one, stop being a shitty friend and help them.

[@Bergaraa]

​@@foolishlyfoolhardy6004oh it's sounds awful! I hope you doing better now, i know it is so hard for some people but i agree with you, just do not let yourself to giving up

[@HecticMolments]

@@foolishlyfoolhardy6004 Honestly all excess fast is estrogenic, the visceral fat just comes with extra negative effects. And the more they study fat (adipose tissue) they're learning about more issues it can cause. Jordan needs to get her head out of her ass and just lose the weight, do the work. She comes from a wealthy family (who are also very lean, fit and active, might I add so you know with her, the weight is NOT genetics (it never is anyways) it's her choices), she could easily afford to have access to the best obesity care money can buy. She's so frustrating~

[@1s_that_a_j0j0_reference]

Those on My 600 lb life who follow Dr. Now’s diet always end up losing weight. It’s hard and it sucks, but calories in/calories out works. Sad reality. But all that she needs is good old fashioned hard work.

[@TextbookCommittee]

And a lot of those people have lipedema and/or lymphedema. It doesn’t mean you can’t lose weight… there are just other treatments you need as well.

[@ByeByeBelly]

Plus Dr nows duet is ridiculously low calorie and low carb. You could still eat carbs & eat 2500 calories a day and lose weight at this size.

[@aren7138]

"Maybe you won't have control over your body." How.... disempowering.

[@smrtars8018]

Her body language is so bizarre. It is as if she truly doesn't believe what she is saying.

[@JS-mg1mk]

Does she not realize that lipedema is most likely caused by obesity and not the other way around? Obesity is one of the biggest risk factors. She likely has lipedema BECAUSE shes been obese her whole life

[@ellagoreyshorrorstories7524]

Not true. Lipedema is caused by a hormone imbalance. There is a lady on TikTok who's been thin and active her whole life. She's got washboard abs and a 22" waist. She also has 44" hips, and a boot, and when she turns around, her legs and butt have the lipedema fat look, and she has the "cankles," or "bracelets of puffiness around her ankles. Lipedema fat is damaged, almost like scar tissue, very painful, and fluid gets trapped between the tissues. This is why it doesn't respond to diet and exercise.

[@JS-mg1mk]

@@ellagoreyshorrorstories7524 excess adipose tissue releases hormones into the body. Obesity fucks up your hormones. That's my point. I know you can get lipedema if you're not obese but it's not very common. It mostly happens to women who are obese and their obesity is the likely cause. Its like diabetes. Most people who get type II diabetes are obese. You can get it when you're thin but it's not common and many people have reversed it by losing weight.

[@ellagoreyshorrorstories7524]

@JS-mg1mk It's not like diabetes and it's not reversed by losing weight. Are you sure you don't mean lymphedema? That can be managed by losing weight but can not be reversed. There was a study done by the NHS, with a patient who had obesity related lymphedema. She went from a BMI of 71 to a BMI of 36, literally lost half her body weight...And she still had lymphedema. Her legs still swelled, they were just smaller. As someone who went into heart failure because of lymphedema, it's also a serious condition. Losing weight and eating better will help me manage but seriously, chicken and broccoli aren't going to FIX or reverse anything. I do agree with losing weight (in parts of the body like the belly where you CAN) to help with overall health, including cardiovascular health and reducing stress on the joints.

[@JS-mg1mk]

@@ellagoreyshorrorstories7524 I didn't say losing weight would reverse it. I said losing weight can reverse type II diabetes but that is also an illness that is primarily seen in obese people. You gave one example of an in shape person who has lipedema as evidence that obesity isn't a huge risk factor for lipedema when it clearly is. How does any of this refute what I said?

[@ellagoreyshorrorstories7524]

@JS-mg1mk Because there are many people who have lipedema and it has stages. Frankly, I think it might be under diagnosed in people who aren't obese, because it's considered a "fat person" disease, and th cure all is always "lose weight." Not enough is understood about the condition. I've seen pictures of thin to average to slightly chubby women with varying stages of lipedema, and I bet they have a hard time with getting treatment for it.

[@vegascharles]

No 'condition' will cause a person to get to Jordan's size. Only eating large meals several times a day. We are conditioned to eat several meals a day. Its okay to be hungry, you wont die from not eating every 4 hours. In fact , one meal day will sustain 99% of people

[@ByeByeBelly]

Sone people have out of control appetite and can eat 5x the amount if another person without even feeling full,but I don't know why she got off mounjaro when her appetite is obviously a problem

[@senorsasuage]

@@ByeByeBelly True, and some people actually have mental discipline and control.

[@Bukkie661]

I eat two times a day, but that's mostly because time runes away from me everyday.

[@erlandaislund4594]

There ARE conditions, that can lead to that and also some medications habe a high weight gain as a sideeffect. I suffer from severe depressions abd su1c1de thoughts for over 20 years. And keeping controle of your weight or lose dome weight is extremly difficult, when constantly think of judt k1lling yourself tbe next day. And ironically, the first antidepressant i was prescribed made me extremly hungry and dizzy/tired. I gained 8kg in just 2 week. After i ate nearly a killogram of chocolate and only stoped because i ran out of it one day, i was justnhorryfied and stoped,because that was worse than the depressions. I refused to take those pills again, even if my doctor reccomanded to try it longer, but i was already in rhe higher end of healthy weight. I had so many doctors try to vonvince me, that weight gain was "the lesser evil". And i have met a lot of people, who gained 30 to 50kg on those pills. But i still know, that this is, because of whatbi eat. Because i grab the fastfood, the swerts etc. Not just "because my body just is like that".

[@venomg5799]

She doesn't eat every 4 hours, these pigs consider that starving themselves. She eats CONSTANTLY

[@AIBot929]

😮‍💨It's always the same rhetoric, I tried every diet... for how long a week a day? Because losing weight is hard and requires consistency. You have control of what you eat, you don't need the Venti sugary Starbucks drink, maybe get a tall, you don't need to eat the whole pizza. When you are over a certain weight losing weight happens faster with much smaller changes initially.

[@simonthechipmunk5091]

i love how no matter what you always stay respectful

[@thebadgamer1967]

Self confidence is one thing but being completely delusional is another. As a Health professional who has had care for morbid obese patients with ADL's, wound care and medication she/He/they are completely wrong, wrong, wrong. Well done excellent work

[@kira3835]

u6y6y664

[@nummulite99]

It’s been said before but I’ll say it again. These girls in the FA community are young. The young human body is incredibly resilient and adaptable. But when they hit their 40’s, they are going to suffer the consequences. Even if every single blood test until then was perfect. Even if they went to the gym a few times a week. And I feel sad for them because they are going to have a miserable middle age.

[@thebadgamer1967]

@@nummulite99 not wrong I've experienced it

[@nataliegist2014]

Why not give them the option to go on the carnivore diet.

[@Ceen511]

@@nataliegist2014they should have the option to live in a third world country thats going through famine

[@robinpage8300]

I mean, if you don't want to put the work in to lose, that's fine.. but own it. It's not that you can't, it's that it isnt easy and immediate.

[@emma2370]

Exactly.

[@StarkJerk]

Right? That’s my biggest annoyance. The advocating for being so fat, saying they’re healthy and beautiful… and then making up ten thousand excuses as to why they’re like they are.

[@Hertacles]

You're honestly too nice to them.

[@sus4nah]

John’s strong suit in my opinion. Listening to him makes me go “oh come on you know they’re full of it!!” But I think his endless empathy and willingness to approach these topics completely free of snark is probably very helpful for some people. Some people don’t respond to snark but his way of breaking things down makes him very approachable and probably a lot easier to listen to for people who are lost in their own battles. Big ups for empathy John!

[@MsKeebe]

To be brutally honest, it looks like a person wearing a beanbag chair everywhere they go.

[@karensdcc]

The mental gymnastics of it all is astounding seriously astounding the amount of words that she hast to go around to not admit that weight can be an issue is shocking

[@Louiseonajourney]

I interpret their dislike for weight loss drugs or surgeries as a fear of realizing that they have agency; the mantra seems to be that weight is totally out of their control, meaning no one can judge them for it, but admitting that a calorie deficit actually works takes away their defense of "it's all out of our control". Imagine someone with anorexia saying that they're not losing weight because they don't eat enough and that there's nothing they can do about it; would the FA's agree and say that it's perfectly normal and healthy?

[@cmyskinsfan]

I think there’s reason to be wary of weight loss drugs because they are very new and we don’t know everything about them yet. But at the end of the day losing the weight is more important for their health than whatever side effects result from the medication. I also think people misunderstand obesity. Food is an addiction and it’s difficult to tell an addict they need to stop using or that they need to go to rehab. Usually the person needs to acknowledge and accept that themselves. And I think that’s what you’re seeing here. They have not accepted they have a problem yet. Denial is strong in any kind of addict.

[@Hayakoneko]

She's a professional victim.

[@autumnshakespeare8777]

I have hypermobile Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome too. I also was put on a medication (pre diagnosis) that caused me to gain 80 pounds in 6 months. I was in a lot of pain and had issues with movement, mobility, etc… It is usually recommended to keep to a healthy weight, as much as possible, to keep mobility for as long as possible. Also, hEDS is co-morbid with Mast Cell Activation Syndrome, which means the types of foods I eat and how much at a time is insanely important for quality of life and management of symptoms.

[@Emmuzka]

That sounds exhausting! It sometimes feels so unfair how much some people have to do to just feel normal, when some others get that for "free".

[@DiMagnolia]

Thank you for sharing, I’m sorry this is affecting your life ❤

[@boroto2boroto]

I think it's likely the same thing then - a lot of these comments are being really harsh and calling Jordan lazy. Actually, medication and general health status can have a huge effect.

[@terminaldeity]

​@@boroto2boroto No medication or health condition will directly cause weight gain. They can affect hormones and make you more hungry, though, or make you less mobile. So if you're taking in more calories due to increased hunger, and burning less calories due to decreased mobility, it's easy to find yourself in a calorie surplus and gain weight. However, these are factors that can be managed. Might be more difficult and take more effort than other people, but if you can manage it, you'll ultimately be healthier for it.

[@jodie7113]

I have hEDS too and I’m a healthy weight and have chronic pain in so many joints, I couldn’t imagine being 500 lbs. I wake up with hip pain every morning and knee pain most days. When I gained a little weight from two hip surgeries and got just into the overweight bmi class (which is bs but relevant in the grand scheme of things) it really affected me and my dr recommended I lose weight again because it would put strain on my joints which was really hard considering I can’t walk far, not allowed to run or lift weights so all I could do was heavily restrict my calories.

[@danceguardmusicgirl1]

Doctors don't just hesitate to do surgery on people Jordan's size because it might be a little bit risky. It is extremely risky. Class 3 obesity patients have much higher postoperative infection rates, poor wound healing, and more anesthesia complications. Often their bodies just cannot tolerate the effects of anesthesia or bodily manipulation due to the massive amount of weight on their chests if in reverse trendelenburg (with your head lower than your feet). Not to mention, it is physically harder to do surgery with that much tissue between the surgical site and the surgeon. Your intestines/reproductive organs stay the same size whether you have 10lbs abdominal fat or 250lbs abdominal fat.

[@venomg5799]

They're non- compliant too.

[@nora4642]

She lost 150 lbs and is still HUGE

[@maryamdear2122]

That’s literally an entire person! And for us shorties, we’re overweight at 150 😭

[@sarfitch]

They would rather advocate for harmful choice rather than self advocating for science backed, healthy decisions. This is sad

[@Cathmoytura]

16:15 Cigarettes in the '80s. No, nobody besides the tobacco industry was saying "Women can smoke." I turned 13 in 1980. I remember nothing but a constant flow of information saying smoking and second-hand smoke were horrific for anybody. By then cigarette advertising had been greatly curtailed, because the worst health outcomes were already well known.

[@ByeByeBelly]

Maybe she means like the 1940s lol.

[@malite-loo4152]

I agree, as I taught kids your age about the dangers of smoking in 1980.

[@Bailey_93]

So I have EDS and a couple other chronic health issues and yes it makes it harder but it’s not a death sentence. I’ve gone from almost 300 to 180 and maintained it for over 5 years. Doctors will actually tell you PT and working out will help with it from becoming worse as it allows other things to compensate for the damage eds causes. Yes you can’t workout like other people but you don’t need to give up

[@theneverending9319]

Binge eating is a monster and I feel for those struggling. My issue is just acting as if you have zero power.

[@nala6313]

She is just a professional victim.

[@TianXiaoMao]

She's really confused about the whole women smoking in the 80s thing, you'd think it was 100 years before she was born.

[@bobbitsholiday]

After all these you’re still so kind, generous, and respectful with your commentary despite the fact that sometimes it can be frustrating dispelling misinformation. I’m glad you haven’t changed in that regard.

[@Shpoogy]

Side note but these ladies remind me of the characters from the book store skit on Portlandia 😅

[@DiMagnolia]

I thought the same 😂

[@bleepbloop101010101]

I can't unsee it now!

[@BeholdPontiusPilate]

Absofuckinlutely!😅

[@Wtvrflotesurgoat]

I have the same connective tissue disorder that has causes several hernias to fall out of me and multiple reconstructive surgeries and tissue pain flaire ups have had two kids and have never weighed more than 130 lbs. this condition doesn’t make you over eat lmfao…

[@animebabe44]

I also question how they can be that size with a condition that causes regular joint dislocation if the person isn't careful.

[@sklynn]

I have it too, and a huge part of dealing with HEDS for me has been building up muscle to make up for my joint elasticity. If she has frequent dislocations I wonder how she puts her joints back after dislocation with a the adipose tissue between her skin the joint 🤨 it's hard enough for me and I've never been at an overweight BMI

[@AshleySpeaks4U]

Putting a child on Weight Watchers or Lean Cuisine is a parental failure.

[@StrawberryJam806]

If she did every diet and only lost 5lbs then that tells me she didn’t really try. Losing weight takes actual effort, for an extended period of time.

[@senorsasuage]

she must be a kamala voter, thinking and effort not-included

[@StrawberryJam806]

@@senorsasuage are you lost? Or just desperate for attention? Because nothing on this video or comment thread pertains to politics.

[@senorsasuage]

@@StrawberryJam806 another sad liberal, the real threat for you guys is depression. get off the internet.

[@maxengel6279]

A calorie deficit will always result in weight loss.

[@The_New_Abnormal_World_Order]

She doesn't attribute pain to weight, she attributes it to inflammation but fat causes inflammation🤦‍♀🤦‍♀

[@ByeByeBelly]

Plus being that size and not being able to move much. My back and joints lock up from lying down

[@ehlanaanderson6326]

I am so blessed with a PCP that sees that I need to lose weight but that I also have other health conditions that need addressed along side the weight! Seriously so lucky!

[@sarfitch]

Yes! Every PCP should be addressing the body as a whole, weight is one factor if you have many others.

[@ashlynnwatt6151]

@@sarfitch YES! I agree with John when he discusses that he agrees with the HAES people when they say SOME doctors DO mistreat plus size people and make EVERYTHING about their weight. But it's important to find a doctor who also lives in real life and not delulu land, discussing how weight IS a factor of health, but not the end all be all of your health, as many aspects of your body/life impact your health along with your weight.

[@sarfitch]

@@ashlynnwatt6151 absolutely, and a lot of times the problems are because of weight, but many times they are not. Doctors need to be held to that standard but I’m glad most of mine have used discretion and have casted a wide net of possibilities just to cover all bases.

[@senorsasuage]

@@sarfitch Yes! I love PCP too!

[@UncleMikeDrop]

WHAT IS IT WITH THESE PEOPLE AND BLAMING CAPITALISM?!

[@Elizabeth-n3v2u]

It would be silly to deny that capitalism directly and indirectly contributes to the societal-scale obesity epidemic. There are so many factors there that all go back to profit motives of large corporations, lobbies, dark money etc. HOWEVER, just like with any system causing problems, YOU HAVE TO STAND UP AND FIGHT BACK. You can acknowledge something is rigged against the working class and needs to change, but also fight for that change! You don't just blame the system and roll over and die. You fight, and you do your best to fight for what you need too.

[@Louiseonajourney]

Well to be fair, there was hardly any obese people in the Soviet union 🤷‍♀️😅

[@DiMagnolia]

@@Elizabeth-n3v2uexactly! Especially these “fat activists” should be fighting for all people to be able to access nutritious food and medical care no matter what, rather than whatever this garbo is

[@UncleMikeDrop]

@user-yn4xc8kt3i The impact of Capitalism is the opposite of what FAs claim, though.

[@sandrastevens411]

My question as well

[@CROWFACED]

The only real highlight of that interview was the dog sleeping on the lap of one of the ladies

[@pita19593]

I didn't even see the dog till you said

[@radicalcartoons2766]

Nor me!

[@beewest5704]

Yesterday I was at the funeral of a morbidly obese mom (40). The last year she was barely able to walk 3 steps without being out if breathe. Her husband had to help her with everything. She was even unable to lay down to sleep cause the fat would smother her. Her family had to give up so much of their lives for a decade cause they had to take care of her. Her blood pressure was high but there was no equipment to even measure it accurately cause her arms & legs were too big for cuffs. She collapsed at home & spend a week in ICU. They could done a operation to safe her life but they could not put her under safely because of her size. She left behind 3 kids under 20. I wished she could have done better for them. I lost jy dad as a adult & it was so painful I cannot imagine losing my mom as a child. Our actions have consequences & other's will suffer because of it. Denial & body positivity will lead you to disability & a cruel death.

[@elektraantoniadou2590]

If anyone in that panel, or anyone in general, cared about that woman (I care, though I don´t know her), they should tell her, with all respect, looking at her in the eyes: Lipedema is a condition, yes, but with or without it, you are very obese. I just want to tell you that if you lost all that extra weight, with the beautiful face that you have, you would absolutely r-o-c-k! Love from Greece

[@themagnumtodd]

I can’t take anyone in that room seriously

[@Polly_Jean]

The dog seems pretty smart, sleeping through the whole discussion

[@randomchik62]

It's soooooo frustrating how deep in denial everyone in that podcast is

[@DocInABox]

Chronic illness makes it rly easy to gain weight. I have had eosinophilic asthma since birth and I spent like half of my childhood laid up and unable to walk without having an asthma attack. Steroids also make me ravenous. It has been a lifelong battle to keep to a semi-reasonable weight. My highest was at my sickest which was 227. Im down to 198. i have to acknowledge my specific challenges or I could die, but it is still MY responsible to do what I can. This is the body I got. I have to keep it functioning best I can. When I eat too much and gain, its still my fault. I try to give myself some grace and keep on keepin on. Its called being an adult

[@chloedemure]

They are so frustrating to watch.

[@mistakenlymidwest2460]

“No judgement for people that smoke”… the jokes write themselves

[@malik_alharb]

Maximum delulu

[@pita19593]

She is definitely on the delusional train!!!

[@StarkJerk]

I think more like absolute flat out refusal to admit the truth.

[@malik_alharb]

@@StarkJerk Delulu of the utmost and highest degree

[@abilea4081]

As a nurse I really hate this trend of people getting a diagnosis and then using it as an excuse, there's very few conditions and medications which could actually make you gain weight and the ones that do (like an antipsychotic like clozapine for example) are still easily manageable plus they make you gain a bit, they never make you morbidly obese. That's you eating way too much and not exercising. It's so frustrating to see patients who basically choose to be morbidly obese and give up because they blame it on their meds or diagnosis when their behaviours are clearly what's doing the damage.

[@Emmuzka]

I don't mind the obesity discussion being political instead of focusing on individuals. If the discussion only focuses in blaming individuals for not being accountable of their own health, that absolves the food industry that intentionally raises mono culture plants and feeds us cheap crappy food that makes us sick. It's easier to be disguested by they than think that a common burger bun has over 1 ounce of sugar.

[@DiMagnolia]

Yeah I wish FA would focus more on fixing the systemic issues that affect so many people’s ability to access nutritious food and healthcare instead of this weird selfish ploy to justify their weight as healthy or not their fault or whatever.

[@bribro23]

So she’s mad at HAES doctors for not asking about weight loss but also mad at regular doctors for telling her about losing weight.wtf does she want

[@cookie_monster783]

Chick wasn’t in a deficit if she didn’t lose more than 5 pounds 😭🤣

[@richiesmom12]

People always complain about the side effects of WL drugs, no concern with the side effects of being obese. If a WL drug said a side effect was possible heart attack people would shit themselves yet being obese gives you that side effect plus many more. Leading cause of death in America is complications of obesity. People are like no it’s heart disease, stroke etc yes…..these are complications of obesity.

[@mayamae4156]

They refuse to take responsibility and then blame some condition. Then they wonder why they can’t loose weight

[@djsusiequ2422]

They don’t use the BMI in children - they use growth charts and they compare your percentiles to children of your same age and sex

[@wellyano6964]

I’ve been thin all my life. Worked out, counted calories. All that. I’m a pro. I’ve hit perimenopause and let me tell you, FOR REAL, calories in vs calories out just does not work anymore. It’s WILD. I have a lot more sympathy for fat people now. Especially if it’s hormone related (pcos for example). You won’t always be in control. No matter how much you think you will. Even if it was possible, it, at some point, MUST become your full time job to stay thin. It’s too much work to be sustainable. It has given me a lot of perspective about how hard it must be for long term overweight people to lose weight. When weight gain is already baked into their physiology.

[@chandlerhunter1684]

Isn’t Jordan like 23? How were they “involved” in the body positivity movement in 2010? They would have been like 10. And I’m pretty sure proana was everywhere at that time. Sounds like a lie.

[@edcross1395]

I take ozempic. I am diabetic. I have lost 100 lb. It has meant the world to my health.

[@sarrahchang4424]

Are you type 1 or 2?

[@edcross1395]

@@sarrahchang4424 2

[@edcross1395]

2

[@momoproblemos]

Imagine if Jordan felt empowered to improve their life instead of constantly running from it. If they were just honest with themselves, owned who they are and their behaviors, they could be such an inspiration. I understand what its like to have health conditions that make it hard to lose weight, but that doesn't mean that it is impossible- it is just harder. Some things are harder for some people and not hard for others, thats just how the world works. Fat people cant be healthy- being obese in itself is a health condition.

[@tigers7834]

If your doctor only tells you what you want to hear when you are obese, that is your fault. My doctor told me drop some weight and some of my health issues will go away. Im not as big as these people, i lost 50 pounds and my knees feel better. I can go up stairs with out being out of breath now

[@abetterlivedlife]

What does she think EDS is? I have it. It doesn't cause weight gain. It means that you are hyper-flexible and your joints deteriorate quickly. People claim other things are related to it, but that's what the condition is. If you have the vascular type, your arteries can also tear open. Weight gain isn't a symptom. Pain is. Keeping my weight down has been very helpful in controlling my EDS. If your joints tear easily, putting less stress on them is a priority. When I realized I wouldn't be able to do intense physical activity anymore, I decreased my calorie intake. It sucks, but it is absolutely doable. Being able to walk is a higher priority to me than ice cream, and you have no idea how much I love ice cream. What do you want the most? It sucks that some of us have to make choices that other people don't, but that's life. It's not fair.

[@music42380]

im confused how they want doctors who both agree to not take your weight and judge it. but also take your weight so they can track any gain for other medical causes

[@nellivilhelmiina]

The only reason why I find BMI frustrating is that people don’t know how to use it so they call it flawed. It’s not supposed to be the one metric that tells you everything, it’s a tool with all the other tools in the box. If you’re not an outlier (so if you’re not super short, super tall of super muscular) and BMI gives you a number that is concidered morbidly obese, chances are that that is what you are. And it’s weird people are disbuting that. You don’t need a BMI to see that.

[@jayscotts9921]

Just curious but how do people afford the food to become this size?

[@manicpepsicola3431]

Thats what i dont get either 😭

[@anarkrys]

Well, for Jordan, they're a rich kid who is funded almost entirely by their family.

[@gbrieannful]

Unhealthy food is cheap

[@zorororo1851]

​@gbrieannful that's a misconception. Food companies want you to believe that so you buy more of their junk.

[@AntSugar]

​​@@gbrieannful no food is really cheap right now and especially not fast food. A bag of ruffles is almost 6 dollars while a block of tofu is 1.50

[@sed6657]

Part of my issue with these folks is they ALL have pretty much the same story to tell. It gets old listening to how they've all been "on diets" since they were kids, they were bullied when they were teens, they had an ED when they were in their early 20's and now they're in their "self-love era!" Where they push the idea that they've done everything under the sun to fix their issues...outside of sticking to a diet longterm and getting therapy for their addictions.

[@LottieLaRats]

And they never have evidence of the "restrictive ED." Like, was it really an ed? Or did their weight just plateau instead of going up consistently?

[@powderandpaint14]

Decent help with their eating disorders at the time they were developing them would probably have made a lot of different. I disagree that it's a diet they need, it's recovery from their ED and a complete lifestyle change in the long term.

27:30 - Jordan is so young and full of themself, and so inexperienced and lacking of the basic knowledge they claim to know, it's brutally frustrating. "Body positivity and fat acceptance" has been mainstreamed and "run over by Capitalism" since Unilever's Dove brand launched its haircare line in 2005, with an advertising campaign designed in partnership with the non-profit org, "The Body Positive," which was founded by two white women, a retired fashion model and a psychologist, in the mid/late-1990s, to combat "restrictive EDs," after the retired model's younger sister, another fashion model, died from complications w/ her own mental health disorder. This is such basic knowledge of their movement that the Dove Hair body positivity campaign has been mentioned in every version of Wikipedia's article on Body Positivity since the campaign first launched, but Jordan either just doesn't know this, or is willing to delude themself into dismissing and ignoring it, because they desperately want to seem like such a trend-setter. This basic lack of knowledge in the topic is practically akin to someone who was born in the 1980s claiming that they "were into The Rolling Stones before it was cool," when no, sorry, The Rolling Stones were cool about twenty years before that person was even born, who do they think they're fooling? Jordan was, at most, a literal toddler when body positivity entered the mainstream, and via the Capitalist system, to boot!

[@SindyJ37]

I dont believe that she is honest with herself as to how much she is eating

[@lainiwakura1776]

I'd love to see her on Secret Eaters or have a consultation with Dr. Now.

[@emmaisalene6106]

I also have EDS and I can’t imagine how painful it must be for her. I’ve lost over 50lbs and everything is so much easier now and my joints and body hurt so much less. I lost my first 50lbs by diet alone over 1.5 years and I’m just now ready to start adding some movement into my routine. When I was a teenager I bought into the “fat acceptance/HAES” a lot because it enabled me to continue hurting myself and fuel my eating disorder.

[@megan7792]

I’ve seen Jordan’s instagram and she looks so much bigger in this video. It amazes me how photos can be so deceptive. These people know that being fat isn’t flattering- if they didn’t feel that way they wouldnt post so much stuff with angles that make them look deceptively smaller. I was 305lbs for years. My weight gain was heavily contributed to a medication called gabapentin. The day I stopped the medicine I maintained my weight for 7 years. Luckily I’ve lost 85lbs and still going. I had truly stopped believing I could lose the weight. It’s such a dangerous mindset

[@JoeyKlu]

Now that I've been looking through historical medical data for my program so much, I will say that BMI is a really easy way to make an assessment about a population from decade to decade. We shouldn't be using it with patients, but just collecting the data (and making sure we get it from everyone in every demographic) is extremely uaeful for health and medical science.

[@gleebybooer]

@@JoeyKlu Thank you! I am also in a nutrition program (Health and Wellness concentration) and his part at 13:55 was definitely off. BMI has very specific uses (often used as a casual/rule of thumb metric because its just an equation you can do at home) and the downsides/gaps in it as a metric were explained to us in like 4 separate classes. People act like the BMI scale is some collective delusion the medical community holds lnto when in reality the amount of individuals that BMI does not account for are far less than what the internet would believe you to be. It should be visually obvious if the BMI scale does not apply to an individual (such as a very muscular individual with a higher weight but with lack of adipose tissue).

[@InaStanley83]

​@@gleebybooertrue, but the issue is that many health professionals will still use BMI as an indicator of health even in individuals for whom using that metric doesn't make sense. I'm also concerned that some health professionals use BMI as a way to not treat patients with the individuality every patient deserves. Here's a personal example. For my height, I *should* be around 120 lbs - 125 lbs to be within my "appropriate" BMI range. A year or so after going to college, after having that drilled into my head by my doctor and others, I worked to get down to that weight. I was also a little "heavy" as a kid, but by my teen years some of that was obviously and noticeably muscle. You could SEE the muscle definition. I was very active (took multiple dance classes including ballet, African dance and Modern dance for several years, played basketball every chance I got, and literally walked everywhere because I didn't have a car or endless funds for cabs and hated public transportation). At the point where I looked and felt the healthiest and strongest and had the best stamina, I was about 147 lbs, but that was considered overweight. So I started walking for longer periods, cutting calories etc. to lose the weight. When I got down to 135 lbs, I felt the worst I'd ever felt in my own body. My strength and stamina suffered. I felt almost like my bones were rubbing together. When my dad first saw me at that weight, he thought I was either sick or on drugs...and that was with me still not being at the goal weight yet. I made the decision then to stop listening to my PCP. I felt myself spiralling into disordered eating (which I hadn't had an issue with before then) trying to reach a weight that didn't even feel normal or natural for my body. I started eating more normally and I cut back a bit on the amount of exercise I was doing. I started focusing on building muscle again. By the time I reached 145 I was feeling MUCH better. My strength and stamina were back. Moving my body felt normal again. I didn't look sickly. Not saying all or even most of the weight was lean muscle mass, but there was definitely enough muscle to affect my body comp (again, you could SEE it). That kind of confirmed for me that my body likes to be around 145 lbs with a decent amount of that weight being muscle. That's where I look, feel, and perform best. But to this day I have not met a PCP that will acknowledge that. I've had to shift over to working with a Functional Medicine doc that offers body comp scans in addition to the other typical metrics to ensure I get a more personalized approach to my healthcare. BMI does have its uses but I'm just concerned that too many PCPs still rely on it almost exclusively when discussing weight. And unfortunately not every patient will know what other scans and tests to ask for or seek out to get the more personalized info they need to make informed decisions about diet and health.

[@gleebybooer]

@@InaStanley83 Thanks for the reply - First off I am glad you are at a place where you feel good in your personal health journey and the strides you made to accomplish that are awesome. I really disagree with the thought that “doctors use bmi as a way to not treat patients individually” I think you are putting malice onto people’s intentions when it isn’t there. The medical system is completely overloaded and you simply can’t afford to run every single test on every person - there’s bound to be mistakes, which is why we use BMI in relation to populations and merely a rule of thumb in the context of individuals. In my personal experience, I often find my doctors, as professionals, know the limitations of the measurements they use. Body composition is one of the pitfalls of BMI I mentioned in my other comments on this vid, and most practitioners are aware of that. I am glad you are feeling healthy, but I really don’t think that doctors are completely uninterested in their patients or don’t care about them as individuals, I think it’s easy to get that perception if you have a bad experience - but I think the truth is most doctors are overworked and stressed in our overloaded system, and it’s only going to get worse since no one wants to be a doctor nowadays.

[@gleebybooer]

in addition, part of the reason you may have felt poorly is how you lost the weight and the changes you made to lose the weight - it may be the case for you personally but it’s very unlikely in most people that a 10 lb different (135-145) would make them go from “bones scraping together” to completely healthy- you may want to see if you have any other health issues as well.

[@HecticMolments]

it's a good 'general tool', you could say. Especially, as you said, for populations. For individuals, the standard should at minimum be a measured height-to-waist ratio (and then there's the advanced stuff, like scans, etc).