The 44 soloed was a great sound. It really brought it all together. Fantastic sounds. That position reminded me of the Tchad Blake one mic method, which I used once due to only having one track available. That’s what the 44 reminded me of. Great job!
@creativesoundlab5 жыл бұрын
Wow very cool. I gotta learn more of his stuff!
@AdamRainStopper5 жыл бұрын
You gotta funked in the head to even be capable of dreaming up this one! (gong is hit, I am yanked off stage by a cane) Dude's doing straight rimshots. I mean cracks, rim-and-center-together-shots (I may have just invented a bar drink).... I slant the snare toward me to avoid accidentally doing that, just because I can't do it consistently unless I'm playing a basic beat at like 60 bpm ..... but that's a good way to get snare out front, with or without close mics. I have done this weird sort of tilted Glyn Johns thing with my OH's, basically you just take the whole setup and rotate it a few degrees so the hat side is slightly over to the drummer's left and the ride side is slightly up (actual mics rotated as well, so they are still pointed at the center of the snare). I only move each mic about 4-6 inches up or over from where it would be with a Glyn Johns. I've found that the results are almost as good in the ways that the Glyn Johns technique is good, and then also better for the ways that Glyn Johns can be problematic, like a drummer who hits the ride too hard and sends it wobbling or a hat that has too much low mid clunk. It's a good tradeoff in my opinion, but I should disclaim, these opinions are those of an assclown with blue hair who makes bad jokes at every opportunity, and therefor should be taken VERY SERIOUSLY AND FOLLOWED TO THE LETTER!!!!!!!!!!
@creativesoundlab5 жыл бұрын
Well I think assclowns make the best music.
@stockmanager5 жыл бұрын
i like a glyn johns in a super dry or very controlled room, if u mess around with the floor tom mic enough until u get the low end decent then it can be really effective and the image of the drum kit also has a bit of a different flavour which can be nice. Good vid as always.
@liveatcharliesplace25125 жыл бұрын
daaayyummm. sounding killer as always! love this! super funky band too! I also love those fills the drummer is doing :D yewww :)
@chinmeysway5 жыл бұрын
Chester Bennington agreed!!!
@panacea-studios5 жыл бұрын
Channel count is always an issue with live recording but yeah it sounds great! Thanks Ryan.
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@evanmcdonnal5 жыл бұрын
It's all about that RCA 44, really fills out the drum sound imo.
@gregkrutsinger87382 жыл бұрын
Dig the drum sound. We used the Glyn Johns drum mic technique here a bunch because we’re short on channels and it was always a different sound every time. Like what you did here
@gribb59675 жыл бұрын
Nice video! If you have a drummer who knows how to balance his kit, this works great. Then again any technique will yield great results with a great drummer playing a well tuned kit. We should all be so fortunate!
@alvagoldbook24 жыл бұрын
Every time I’ve tried the Glyn Johns it’s never really worked for me, unless I really wanted it to sound very low budget diy type production. But this really seems to work especially with this particular band.
@BD-me4nk3 жыл бұрын
The angle/position of the mic near the floor tom is very critical.
@mrbenjlew Жыл бұрын
Saxophone man is baked!!
@SteadyRolling5 жыл бұрын
Most people who post about this technique suggest very careful measurements, including the distance between the two mics being equal to the distance each is from the center of the snare. Then you watch Glyn demonstrate the technique, and he's very casual about mic placement. "Approximately" is good enough.
@slimkickens5 жыл бұрын
I've been thinking for a while about mixing the Glyn Johns and Fat Mic techniques. Happy to see it worked out like I imagined
@creativesoundlab5 жыл бұрын
Sweet! Yeah I was torn between the two!
@slimkickens5 жыл бұрын
@@creativesoundlab it's kinda perfect, though. Cohesive and vintage with a modern presence. Definitely gonna be trying this out
@willsanford23784 жыл бұрын
That mic added a ton of flavor to the kit. Yeah it’s not distinctly the Glyn Johns by the book method but the whole way he came up with his thing was accident! I’d almost argue that mic makes more of a difference than having a snare mic and almost would go in favor of using the extra channel (out of 4) for the 44 instead. Super cool
@cellarroomproduction39435 жыл бұрын
I use Glyn Johns alot. I agree with small condensers, I´ve almost stopped using them. With ribbons, preferably Coles 4038 I think GJ is great for most session, at least more acoustic sessions like jazz or indie.
@thecapsicumkid47405 жыл бұрын
I think they worked perfectly! Very natural sounding. Do you make any of the files available for us entry level mixers?
@thomaswhudson2 жыл бұрын
It sounded great, everything was really full. Did you try adding a tad of top end o the overheads to bring out the cymbals a touch more? Either way it was round, full and had lots of character. I have done this before but mine was only 4 mics. I think that 5th mic really brought it all together.
@flapsnappy2 жыл бұрын
I use a similar mic set up a lot. Not the mics you're using though. ( that floor tom needs some tweaking. Lol. crazy low end overtone) Good work!
@DZNTZ3 жыл бұрын
Not only did you end up with a good sound, it was a very complementary sound for the track. The track has a very natural, jam-session feel, and the more organic drums you achieved with the Glyn Johns are perfect for this. A ‘clean’ close-mic sound would’ve been too straight laced. (Imagine if Bonham had been recorded on like 17 modern mics!! Ughhhh) Goes to show that there is no one good drum sound, it depends on context. I’m not a studio scientist, but your videos always get me thinking! Thanks for doing what you do.
@weeschwee5 жыл бұрын
Sounds great! Really seems to fit the mix and the music. The drums sound round and warm, but they still have enough punch and energy. The cymbals sound dry, but I'm guessing it's because they are. All the musicians sound great too! I imagine that really helps.
@creativesoundlab5 жыл бұрын
Yeah good musicians really make the job easier. There were some mistakes here and there but it was just a practice night for them. Recording live gives it that energy and really puts it over the top.
@gregdoran58505 жыл бұрын
Love it Ryan! My opinion is its a great variation of Glynn Johns. A step up!
@gdrugg20065 жыл бұрын
sounds great! i love to use a darker mic/sound to kind of thicken up the drums. in my smallish space, i'll set a condenser on omni in my bathroom and it get's pretty much a pure room sound, all air, no direct drums. in a mix, it sounds huge!
@dimoscondos5 жыл бұрын
Greetings from rhodes greece. Great stuff once more . Cheers
@BadChizzle3 жыл бұрын
Man what a great project. Just Wow! Giant sound!! Bam!!!
@robertsomerville3205 жыл бұрын
I've used Glyn Johns method for many recordings, all styles of music. This is going to sound mad... I one used a similar positional set up to what you have done. For my "fat added " sound on a 4pc kit. I used AT4040 for the FT mic, AT 4040 for the overhead, A SM57 for snare (top), Audix D4 centered in the BD hole, and yet another AT 4040 placed a touch further back in the ride/BD crease. I got a great sound. It was of course initially a test of the At4040, but one dialed in I was shocked. (this set up was not used in a big room or with other band components playing in the room. Give er a try see what you think. Cheers
@DragonTalkShow5 жыл бұрын
Man that low tom sounds fantastic.
@m.o.n.d.e.g.r.e.e.n3 жыл бұрын
OMG the RCA mate thanks for thisssssssssss
@nicogj63132 жыл бұрын
you really did get a great drum sound in this one, great playing too!
@RiotHomeRecording5 жыл бұрын
I just love those drums.
@partonkevin5 жыл бұрын
I think it sounds great. I've never been able to get such a full sound with just overheads. I have SDC and MDC, but no ribbons. I think this worked well with your Mic choice.
@creativesoundlab5 жыл бұрын
Yeah if you have to you could use a high shelf and just take down some of the highs. Anything above 1k and it’ll start to sound more ribbon like.
@andym28 Жыл бұрын
What's the name of the band could you show a link.
@MatthewParsonsDrumsAndAudio5 жыл бұрын
So thick. That's a very great sound.
@ovonisamja80245 жыл бұрын
To me a GJ technique + a snare mic is the way to go since I always find the focus of a snare disappearing a bit with only 3 mics.
@gcakpapoflolh38824 жыл бұрын
Sounds great, thank you! By the way, what is the name of the song they are playing? Would love to hear the final version
@Herfinnur5 жыл бұрын
I might change my mind on this, but I thought the drum sound became a bit too full for that kind of music with the fifth microphone. I also thought the two mics sounded awesome on their own, more in the vein of recordings made prior to 16-track recording, before everything slowly started to revolve around "ballsy" sound, which I often find boring. The fullnes and oomph takes away some of the sense of space and that everybody's in the same room. An analogy would be to film a band performance using only close-ups. Turning down that fullness pushes the drums a bit back in the picture, so that they sit in between the other musicians instead of kind of being front and center. And that's not related to the volume itself. Edit: Good God it's hard to write anything cohesive in this heatwav. Tried to edit my text for clarity.
@jordanjames56195 жыл бұрын
absolutely agree with this one. fatness is relative, trying to have fat drums, fat bass, fat guitar, vocals etc means really nothing's fat. Some close-in bright sounds can make other sounds appear fatter just by contrast, and if the mic distance is also taken into consideration (i.e. thinking of the depth of sounds in the mix as well as frequency) can be used to make a really three-dimensional mix (as in, a mix that accounts for front-to-back (depth, distance), top-to-bottom (frequency ranges), and side-to-side (stereo image and panning)) .
@creativesoundlab5 жыл бұрын
Some really advanced thinking. And yes if there isn’t any contrast then it’s nothing. Lots of Reverb in a mix seems bigger if there are totally dry elements. Contrast is so important. And knowing why you are doing things. For here it’s a funk band so I let the drums be the star.
@RDYC5 жыл бұрын
The miracle is the amount of isolation between instruments. Must be a pretty dead room? No gobos and fewer condensers I guess helps.
@creativesoundlab5 жыл бұрын
Not really that dead of a room. You can hear it in my voice in a lot of my videos. Keep in mind that the nulls of the ribbons can be pointed at the horns but still get the drums. Which is to say the nulls of the sides and top and bottom too.
@Henriquealexps5 жыл бұрын
Sounds great!
@kosycat15 жыл бұрын
It sounds great man.,and worked well with the band. The standalone RCA was no bad either. I like the hybrid setups. My room is very tiny so I have space pair overheads and close mics and a room mic
@creativesoundlab5 жыл бұрын
Sweet! Yeah small rooms are hard but if you keep trying stuff you’ll find good sounds.
@aSpeaker2BlocksAway5 жыл бұрын
Love the sound too and love how you explain and kick in the different mics in your videos. Reminds me on my experiments with the recorderman technique. Do you have any thoughts an that?
@28erny3 жыл бұрын
Very cool dude. Keep on!
@yubarecordingstudio75785 жыл бұрын
Cool post ! The darker mikes help cymbal ‘wash’
@JodyBrioschi2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful video!
@seamusthebogman5 жыл бұрын
Nice one Ryan - cheers from Montreal!
@johnmorgan49215 жыл бұрын
Would it be too bold to use a sub-mixer to mic the kit and send sub-groups for a smaller channel count? Like a 16ch Mackie for all the drums and sum those down to 8, 4, or just a stereo mix to record? Too bold? :)
@creativesoundlab5 жыл бұрын
Yeah not a bad idea. I was running short on mic stands and cables and time! So I had to run with it.
@johnmorgan49215 жыл бұрын
@@creativesoundlab That looked like a great session to be a part of! Way cool :)
@mirkomarkovic34382 жыл бұрын
got some phase cancellation there...snare disappears with the rca
@pannardaugustin98525 жыл бұрын
Plenty of good bleed !! Sounds awsome !!
@jasonshaw86165 жыл бұрын
The RCA sounds amazing
@creativesoundlab5 жыл бұрын
Yeah Jason really nice isn’t it!?
@jasonshaw86165 жыл бұрын
@@creativesoundlab My holy grail mic. Would love to hear what else you have used it on..
@goingnowere1013 жыл бұрын
Can you use small diaphragm mics instead of large ?
@roman23743 жыл бұрын
Yes but you’re going to be missing a lot of the lower range body... especially the floor tom will be a struggle to get into the mix. I wouldn’t buy small diaphragm to use for this technique but if you have a pair just try it out!
@wayne33403 жыл бұрын
To my ear that floor tom is really resonating alot. Maybe just a bit of muting needed? Is this a better sounding set up than just close micing the kit now that you're using 5 mics?
@karmikmike28784 жыл бұрын
you are awesome dude ! Thanks for the tips !
@highpeakrecordings5 жыл бұрын
Sounded great. I've found Glyn Johns so hit and miss, but I'm not sure why. Sometimes it's amazing, sometimes not and that's with the same set-up. Sorry, but I missed what the overhead mic was in your set-up?
@cary34285 жыл бұрын
Drummer, room and kit have a great deal to do with it.
@Itsdelaraw7 ай бұрын
What are the mics being used on the brass?
@creativesoundlab4 ай бұрын
RCA Variacoustic
@AdamRainStopper5 жыл бұрын
I wonder, what is the sonic effect of the green circles?
@creativesoundlab5 жыл бұрын
It has that round sound.
@gordontubbs5 жыл бұрын
I thought the idea with Glyn Johns was to establish a foundation tone and then add/subtract/move mics to taste.
@creativesoundlab5 жыл бұрын
Ok cool. Yeah there are no rules but I try to respect tradition at the same time is all.
@CCaPASun4 жыл бұрын
What mic do you have on the kick? Sounds incredible.
@michaelbennett89815 жыл бұрын
0 dislikes says it all. Great job!
@KickItLikeBonham5 жыл бұрын
I love it! I've really wanted to try to implement this style of engineering in any future drum videos I make, and your reverse engineering method gives me some amount of hope that it won't be a giant waste of time on my end. Your decision to throw a room mic into the mix was great, and also something I'll try to adopt. Forgive me if you've covered/mentioned this before, but have you ever worked with Oktava MK-219 Condenser mics before? My goal is to use two as overheads / Glyn Johns set up, and two as room mics. I'm just curious if your experience would point you one way or another in that regard...
@creativesoundlab5 жыл бұрын
I’ve never used those but I know the look of them and about them. Here I just used a warm mic to help balance the drums vs the cymbals in the tone. I find that is key to minimal micing. Then some compression to glue the two mics together.
@KickItLikeBonham5 жыл бұрын
@@creativesoundlab Beautiful, man! Thanks so much!
@djtrets4 жыл бұрын
How do you do the gain staging when the microphones used are different? I mean in general not only for this technique.
@JoeyResly5 жыл бұрын
sounds good
@creativesoundlab5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Joey!
@idkbeats88215 жыл бұрын
Great content.
@mrpeanut2685 жыл бұрын
How are you getting so much of the kick in just the overheads?? sounds amazing!
@creativesoundlab5 жыл бұрын
Not sure. I think it’s that the ribbons are dark and therefore the cymbals don’t seem as loud. So you get lots of snare and toms. With the side mic of the Glyn Johns it’s possible that it’s what you hear. Usually that side mic will get a lot more kick because it gets the attack.
@fenderguitar9205 жыл бұрын
I know I already said this, but thank you!
@peddlebreaker5 жыл бұрын
Sounds amazing dude! Thanks for the vid, wish I could afford £4k on a mic like that :))))
@medicine000005 жыл бұрын
apologies if you said/wrote it somewhere already, but what is the name of this band?
@creativesoundlab5 жыл бұрын
Shabutika, if you go back to the previous video with the guy playing sax, there is a link there (Video card, or description I think)
@medicine000005 жыл бұрын
@@creativesoundlab Thank you kindly.
@neill.m.herbert5 жыл бұрын
If you prefer blumlein, why not use it?
@creativesoundlab5 жыл бұрын
I needed to capture the toms with low channel count.
@neill.m.herbert5 жыл бұрын
@@creativesoundlab Makes sense. So you always mic toms individually when using blumlein overhead?
@JulianFernandez5 жыл бұрын
phat!
@Smaxalot5 жыл бұрын
That drummer only ever learned the one fill, hey?
@creativesoundlab5 жыл бұрын
I liked that it was hypnotic
@Smaxalot5 жыл бұрын
@@creativesoundlab Well, it certainly put me to sleep ;)
@jacobsmith18775 жыл бұрын
Yeah that fill was obnoxious
@jacobsmith18775 жыл бұрын
Cado Bell I took drum lessons from a guy who was also a photographer. He told me to think of a painting of a table with a bowl of cherries sitting on it. On the edge of the bowl, one of the cherries looks like it is teetering on the edge of falling right out and it makes the viewer want to reach in to the painting and prevent the cherry from falling. The painting is simple overall - it's just a table and a bowl of cherries - but you can relate to it and for a moment it becomes more than just a painting. He told me my job as a musician is to create the idea of that painting for the listener - a simple framework that everyone can relate to and that stays out of the way, but it has this one key moment of interest that catches your attention and makes it worthwhile. Playing a neat fill is cool, but you only get to do it once and then it's not interesting after that.
@EtcEtcAndEtc5 жыл бұрын
JAH RASTAFARI
@bloozerd5 жыл бұрын
I'll be moving to east Tennessee soon...I have a 48 channel Harrison Series 10 B...I will have a decent space...I'd be interested in collaboration...lemme know if you'd be interested...!!!
@AdamEmond5 жыл бұрын
Is the low Tom supposed to be that intense? Seems real intense to me.
@creativesoundlab5 жыл бұрын
Yeah it is! I think a bit much but it’s an easy fix to just reduce that frequency if needed.
@ErwinS815 жыл бұрын
the way i see it is: Glyn Johns is just asymmetric overheads..
@creativesoundlab5 жыл бұрын
Totally!
@HronisArva5 жыл бұрын
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@TrannyFluids3 жыл бұрын
Nerds
@gabself5 жыл бұрын
What's funky about this?
@jebmcgovern37445 жыл бұрын
Hey there, I was reading this online and thought of you. It's about decoupling mic stands and even cables from a floor with overheads. Here is the link. Could be a cool video. www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end/543423-mic-stand-question-high-end-guys.html
@creativesoundlab5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I actually isolated my camera today using foam pads! Got sick of the shake from the kick drum. There a lot to explore there that I’ve never tested.
@intergalacticspacecanoe46595 жыл бұрын
SECOND!
@jacobsmith18775 жыл бұрын
You've basically got the Recorderman setup here
@creativesoundlab5 жыл бұрын
That would look a bit different. See my video with Eric Sarafin for the real story and technique.
@jacobsmith18775 жыл бұрын
Creative Sound Lab Yes I've seen that one. The side mic would be a little higher and more over the shoulder and is triangulated off the snare and kick. Definitely similar though
@jacobsmith18775 жыл бұрын
@@creativesoundlab Would you be able to do a video comparing your modified Glyn Johns vs the Recorderman setup, with and without the fat mic? It would be real cool if you could give it your full detailed explanation and review.
@johntirado21353 жыл бұрын
... man that really sounded great. loved how the 44 filled out the sound .. perhaps with your compression? it really seemed to not just make the drums sound huge .. but i feel also gave a bit of glue to the kit over all. .. i think nowadays there is less use for a traditional Glyn Johns technique .. .. would most likely depend on the room your working in to start. I as well use a variant of his starting point and love the results always. how many channels are you tied to in your studio? i'm capped at 16.. :^),