My favorite part isn't even the fight itself, it's that Shiki of all people wants to steal Kanshou and Bakuya, Yin-Yang swords.
@gamecrusher55186 жыл бұрын
ShadowT0nberry Wait she does that's awesome. I'm certain it would create an interesting dynamic between Shirou and Shiki
@Tyztube216 жыл бұрын
I’m betting there’s a reason why she wants those swords.
@excalibursonic326 жыл бұрын
Tyztube21 It's a reference to her dual existence between her male and female personalities, just like yin and yang.
@jasontodd80285 жыл бұрын
Shadow Slayer or she’s like Shirou and she just thinks that they look cool
@someguywithabirdface25834 жыл бұрын
Why she just find a Master with Dan jiang as a servant.
@FerretsForever9412 жыл бұрын
Disturbing note is that Archer was the 100th. That means she killed 99 spirits/servants before she attempted to kill him. I guess Julius wasn't the only one offing masters...
@lainxl84193 жыл бұрын
Julius was killing masters. She was killing the servants
@mitchellalexander91626 жыл бұрын
The entirety of the second half of the fight: UNLIMITED CALADABOLG NUKES!!!
@noticeme64122 жыл бұрын
that's late or end-game Archer for you
@anotherweeb83296 жыл бұрын
First fight dialogue (more or less correct but i can only grasp a few things) Archer: " She is not a servant.., amara..., no, an embodiment of amara?" Shiki: "That's right handsome guy, i will play with you. those swords [Kanshou & Bakuya], i'm interested in it"
@dewakeadilan5 жыл бұрын
everybody gangsta until, I AM THE BONE OF MY SWORD...
@DerEthereal10 жыл бұрын
Ryougi: Fuck you, I got a voice.
@ruikirisame17447 жыл бұрын
Guest Character Privileges
@idontknowl0l4 жыл бұрын
Shiki: Are you done?!?!? because i am coming out and i swear to god if you will do that again i will be so freaking nettle- Nameless: Caladbolg Shiki: SHIIIIIIIIIIIIII
@ebering4.0393 жыл бұрын
Kikoho!!!
@SkyFranx11 жыл бұрын
After this battle,Ryougi ends up in his melty blood arcade run to fight Archetype Earth.
@shadeslayerzycron62095 жыл бұрын
Archetype:Earth has the highest AI in game, so Fighting her even if it’s just a cpu in vs mode... is quite the annoyance
@raulphilipgoco4033 жыл бұрын
Well it’s implied that Ryougi is dreaming the entire arcade run. So she didn’t actually isekai. Hell you don’t even fight Archetype Earth instead Tohno Shiki is the final boss.
@fenix0seraph9 жыл бұрын
Shiki did 9/11? Oh shit.
@cake68517 жыл бұрын
"Void Shiki can only fight defensively against servants" REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
@Simon-ur7bi6 жыл бұрын
A) this is not Void. It's normal Shiki. B) it's a digital world. Real world laws do not necessairly apply C) it's true. In terms of combat capability, Void can only fight defensively aganist a Servant. This doesn't account her using her connection to the Root and alter reality itself at will
@TheFirehands1505 жыл бұрын
Nasu said Shiki can only fight defensively... but what happens if shes a servant? wouldn't she be broken with her new speed and power? like she can kill intent and speed. She can literally kill your will to fight... isnt that broken? lol
@myspacebarbrokenevermindif98924 жыл бұрын
Nasuverse Fan she isn’t a servant here. Where is that EVER stated? She’s called “monster” because she has no servant designation. Archer even says in this same fucking video you’re watching that she isn’t a “legendary soul” (servant), but a demon. Shiki even days “your kind” when she refers to killing Archer and the other Servants, she’s distancing herself from them, since she isn’t a servant. Should start calling you Nasuverse headcanon from now on lmao.
@myspacebarbrokenevermindif98924 жыл бұрын
Nasuverse Fan “due to the mooncell being more powerful than the counter force” Lmao. Funny enough, Amaterasu is explicitly stated to be above the entire Mooncell in power (BB and Kiara have a 0% chance of defeating her in a fight) And it was uncertain whether Amaterasu could defeat Sephar according to Tamamo, and Gaia defeated Sephar, making Gaia >= Amaterasu >>> Extra Arcuied>>> Every other Extra and Extra CCC character. Gaia was also able to weaken and destroy the Velber in one shot with Excalibur, while the MoonCell could only imprison the Velber.
@JoaoLucasK10 жыл бұрын
0:34 - Kinky
@voivodadracula19365 жыл бұрын
_oh i'll give her whatever she wants from me_
@gotouchsomegrasstoday11 жыл бұрын
In reality, Rho Aias cannot block Ryougi's skills because her skill can "cut" anything she can see. She can see conceptual weapon(Rho Aias) and as a result she can cut them. The same for world, she can see world(UBW) and therefor she can cut them(negate) them. However the last part can only be done by Ryougi(Void)
@subaru17442 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Shiki cant do it because she needs to understand a concept before kill it, and noble phantasm are concepts difficult to understand, she cant see their death lines and death points (Void can do this)
@S_10070 Жыл бұрын
@@subaru1744 Ryougi can’t see points. That’s a Tohno thing, but yh you’re valid
@UnholyDarknessZ11 жыл бұрын
Lastly, if you're actually exposed to more Type-Moon content, you'd notice that unusual powers or hax skills usually does the trick in the Nasuverse. Tohno Shiki had slaughtered several of the Twenty-Seven Dead Apostles and had defeated lesser Crimson Red Vermilions in outright combat, Kotomine was able to fend off Servants and Aozaki Aoko can perform True Magic with a limited amount of circuits - though in the case of nutcases like Arcueid, sometimes power does really mean everything.
@alkiviadispantelidis18476 жыл бұрын
Who would win? One staby girl or one counter force boy?
@TaigaXsenpai5 жыл бұрын
I think Alaya Souren was also servant of counter force, so Shiki already defeated one.
@bruceasiandude89794 жыл бұрын
@@TaigaXsenpai Araya Souren wasn't a servant of the counter force, Shiki was aided by the counter force to stop Araya
@dal42684 жыл бұрын
U mean one nameless boi?
@youraveragemachine10134 жыл бұрын
One faker boi.
@youraveragemachine10134 жыл бұрын
@@TaigaXsenpai nah,he share name with alaya is pure coincidence and he have nothing to do with counter force
@JR-gc4de5 жыл бұрын
She should of been the final boss in my personal opinion she had triple the amount of HP that twice piercemen’s servant had for sure! This battle for me was beyond ruthless and definitely the challenge I needed, nice work by the way!
@devilbuster20xx372 жыл бұрын
She is a guest character from another one of Nasu's works, she wouldn't have made much sense as a final boss.
@cjytp6 ай бұрын
A secret easter egg boss on the other hand...
@CatSkinCap12 жыл бұрын
He says "Our ancient history comes twisted, Caladbolg!" I guess twisted talking about the fact that he remodels the Caladbolg sword into a twisted helix.
@NeroCroweVT9 жыл бұрын
the spam is real
@ReikazeRambles11 жыл бұрын
I find it funny how they call shiki "monster".
@TaigaXsenpai7 жыл бұрын
she is a monster xD she kills for pleasure, she simply picked side that would allow her to do this
@vogel24993 жыл бұрын
Her original ego is a cold-blooded killer.
@placeholder38633 жыл бұрын
@@TaigaXsenpai I think it may be a reference
@UnholyDarknessZ11 жыл бұрын
Secondly, it was mentioned time and time again that every weapon Shirou Projects, it's experience was taken into account as well. It was already seen once before that Shirou's hands literally started swinging on his own when he Projected Kansho and Bakuya against Souichirou. Also, Saber used her Magical Energy Bursts to enhance her attacks to make them as powerful as they were.
@dragonwarriorz111 жыл бұрын
Go Shiki!
@apolodog210 жыл бұрын
So this proves that Shiki can indeed kill servants (at least the old Shiki)
@dappercrow813810 жыл бұрын
Well Tsukihime Shiki did overkill a certain servant in the TsukihimeXFate manga.
@duddude3219 жыл бұрын
Richard Maciel Not canon. Shiki Tohno can kill Servants. "Can" in the sense that his MEoDP are capable of it, but he himself would be killed 10/10 times before he could even use them. Given the chance to assassinate a Servant with the element of surprise his chances go from "impossible" to "very improbable." Shiki Ryougi wouldn't really fare much better because her swordsmanship is only Taiga level. Her ability to fight Servants in Extra is attributed to Moon Cell dickery. [ ] Ryougi is a different story though. She can just end a Servant on a whim.
@solopy5679 жыл бұрын
duddude321 "Despite this claimed ability, her combat ability is only possibly around the level of Ciel, allowing her to manage a defensive fight against a being on the level of a Servant. While still much stronger than the regular Shiki, who holds no hope in even competing with a Servant defensively." Cut from the Type-Moon Wiki Humans just can't match up to Servants. Shirou is an extremely rare case because of his abilities.
@duddude3219 жыл бұрын
solopy567 Not saying Shiki can beat a Servant, but [ ] can. [ ] doesn't even need to fight, she just has to wipe the Servant from existence. She can do anything. It's her attributed power, Omnipotence, which is funny because she's still a frail little human compared to a Servant.
@Usernamesdontmatter19 жыл бұрын
duddude321 According to Nasu the 3rd personality can only fight a defensive fight against a servant. Her power level is somewhere around Ciel's class. Q: In the other Type-Moon works, who else besides Arc can fight against Servants? A: If we're working on the condition of one on one, with an extremely average Noble Phantasm. Generally most of the 27 Ancestors, Kishima Kouma, Aozaki Aoko. If it's just a defensive fight, but would still be a fight, then Ciel. Shiki (Rakkyo), Shiki (Tsukihime) are no match for Servants....but Ryougi Shiki (3rd personality) might be able to go as far as the Ciel class. Shiki is only able to fight Archer,Caster or Saber in fate/extra because she herself is summoned as something similar to a heroic spirit.
@DraganarHero11 жыл бұрын
shes a protagonist of the horror/thriller anime movie series garden of sinners
@UnholyDarknessZ11 жыл бұрын
Lastly, it was mentioned that Assassin fended off most of the Servants in the War and all he has is high Luck and Agility, as well as an average Rank in Strength. Take it this way, Aozaki Aoko have a limited amount of Magic Circuits but is able to use it to her fullest and perform True Magic. Gilgamesh have high stats but is unable to excel in using it in melee combat.
@UnholyDarknessZ11 жыл бұрын
Secondly, Gilgamesh was never an expert in melee combat. When he encounters Saber, he'll usually stay a safe distance away, tank her blows with his armor or force her back with his prototype weapons. The factor of Agility seems to differ from Servant to Servant as well - Rider's attacks wasn't insanely fast for instance (It's manageable by Shirou) despite her high Agility Rank but she's incredibly skilled and quick in aerial combat.
@UgandanPrinc36 жыл бұрын
10:14 "smooth move" i mean I'm not sure how many could survive eating a ton of Caladbolg 2's in short succession
@OnajTamo11 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't even fight Shiki...
@whyyoureadingmaname17756 жыл бұрын
Me neither... I didn't even know she was there
@pon93015 жыл бұрын
@@whyyoureadingmaname1775 When you're about to fight Twice Pieceman, the last boss, you can fight Shiki as an optional boss by entering the Floor Arena
@ceruleant7775 жыл бұрын
Yep,all 3 playthrough n after first fail I decide not to n just complete the game
@MentalOutlvl64 жыл бұрын
Arcueid is ridiculously hard with max stats she hits very hard i rather fight shiki
@gamingdood29873 жыл бұрын
@@ceruleant777 it's easy tho all you have to do is fullfill all of taiga's request and shiki optional fight would be unlocked. (Of course the optional battle can only be unlocked after you completed your first walkthrough)
@bzoner1612 жыл бұрын
Ryougi Shiki can do it. Her void origin combined with the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception allows her to kill anything that is "alive" in her eyes. This includes magic. Just like she killed Fujino's bending spirals, Araya's bounded fields, and the closed space cage she was thrown in.
@xXM4ximumXx12 жыл бұрын
Lol, you know how far improved ryougi's mystic eyes are? She can cut reality itself, so UBW is no problem at all x)
@adamchu20014 жыл бұрын
Not sure how that would work in the Moon Cell as each layer of SE.RA.PH are structured Reality Marbles and when a Master/Servant initalises a NEW Reality Marble all the Moon Cell does is give ownership of that section to the Caster and due to Reality Marbles showing the caster's inmer world it is overwritten. In normal HGWs EMIYA uses a border of fire as his bounded field to isolate a piece of the world and overlay it with vision. This should be applicable to Nameless as eventhough he never made contact with Alaya he still based his Reality Marble on the same context. If Shiki destroyed the Reality Marbles making up the Combat Zones for SE.RA.PH using her MEDP she could either be deleted or fall out of the simulation like LE Hakuno (but i know thats an oof) if the Moon Cell doesn't revert the combat situation to before the Reality Marble was overwritten which is more likely. If anything she would probably just use the MEDP on the Projected Swords as most likely they would have many lines of death to exploit due to them not being real objects and just being sculptures made from mana/od, reinforcement does strengthen their origin but should not decrease the lines by too much.
@SoysauceML11 жыл бұрын
Caladbolg is used in many games, and even in such case still no excuse for Hrunting. Of course they would demand CCC because any translation is better than no translation. I question their knowledge of Nasuverse.
@zuser12 жыл бұрын
It's been Six Years since I saw the Anime, Seeing Archer use his Unlimited Bladework and kicking ass is somewhat, Overly Awesome, I guess the Nostalgia Factor Empowers it :D Thanks for the Fight, sure was Grand!
@farispie112 жыл бұрын
Ryougi Shiki is more than capable of "killing " Reality Marbles. In KnK , her Mystical Eyes of Death Perception is beyond the level of Tohno Shiki's. She can kill living things, non living things, concepts, ideas, thoughts , etc. She can pretty much kill anything .
@kevinhanandi7 жыл бұрын
too bad they don't use shiki theme for this fight
@AngeliqueNade6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's a little upsetting. Really love her theme. :(
@myspacebarbrokenevermindif98926 жыл бұрын
Kevin Hanandi kara no kyoukai movies came out after this
@MrInuhanyou1235 жыл бұрын
@@myspacebarbrokenevermindif9892 know its been months but knk movies 1-7 ended in 2009, FE came out in 2010
@myspacebarbrokenevermindif98925 жыл бұрын
MrInuhanyou123 damn, could've sworn the time scale was different. Ah well
@ImmaNort8 жыл бұрын
Shiki can kill servants. Okay, different Shiki, but you know...
@MrDibara8 жыл бұрын
I think the regular Shiki also has the "power" to kill Servants, but she's not nearly as fast enough to keep up, so she'd get rekt before getting a chance to touch them. (well, not really, but she wouldn't last enough to "kill" their Noble Phantasms)
@kevinhanandi7 жыл бұрын
Imma Xehanort well, the shiki in knk can kill a servant, just she can't match a servant physical and magical capability
@TaigaXsenpai7 жыл бұрын
well its alternative universe, but her background story might be exactly the same before she entered the framework
@infinitykiyen62704 жыл бұрын
@@kevinhanandi No... Magic also does not work on her. She can "kill" magic. The real action that would beat Shiki is to beat her "physically" To use magic may awaken "Void" Shiki and just end your life. Void Shiki can instra kill any being but she's pretty much bored. Should you entertain her even a bit by using the magic of the god? Yeah, it's your doom as a reward for entertaining her.
@TigStripe12 жыл бұрын
As long as Ryougi Shiki or Tohno Shiki can sense and understand a force nearby, they can trace the lines of death of that force. Barriers, mana flows, and other nonphysical things aren't safe. It's not LIKELY that Ryougi actually would be able to grasp a Reality Marble enough to kill it, but it's not impossible.
@ZengarZanvolt13 жыл бұрын
@WarriorPrinny 1.Be in New game plus 2.Clear all Taiga Quests 3. Prior to the final boss fight, there should be a table, flask and a note. Read it then go to the end of the arena.
@Hibiki7soul11 жыл бұрын
Well, Shirou can use reinforcement on his body to a point where he can use Berserker's sword at supersonic speed so matching Gilgamesh isn't the big deal, and even if his stats are high, Gilgamesh has little to no skill in close combat. And don't forget Shirou absorbed a lot of battle experience from Archer.
@hashiramamadara9423 жыл бұрын
My favourite fight of the game. Can't wait for the 10th anniversary remake!
@Hibiki7soul11 жыл бұрын
He can reproduce it, yes, but it needs Saber's magical energy (she has to be close) so no he can't use it. Which is why Rho Aias is his best defense. Archer can easily create strong swords out of nowhere and rain them just like Gil, the problem with Excalibur is that since it was made by the fairies it's hard to reproduce it. But yeah he can get close.
@TigStripe12 жыл бұрын
Ryougi has the same power as Tohno, but it operates in the opposite way. The same limitations apply to her power.
@Amraphenson12 жыл бұрын
Archer would hardly give her the time to strain and 'see' it, since he's very much aware of how dangerous she is.
@xflashdanielx47002 жыл бұрын
Shiki could probably just kill the moon cell and get out
@mattmiller32374 жыл бұрын
Damn maybe this fight will come back in the remake
@farispie112 жыл бұрын
Its a self contained univrse that are described by nasu's work. The universe has its own rules that are explained through various media such as the fates staynight viusal novel, the knk novel, etc.
@Amraphenson12 жыл бұрын
My point is that while she 'can', she either 'wouldn't' out of personal choice because it's more fun, or 'would not be allowed to' because Archer knows what she's capable of as a Counter Guardian himself, and would do his damn best to stop it.
@EndOfScrutiny12 жыл бұрын
In fact it has been stated that regular Ryougi Shiki isn't a match to servants. And the third personnality is barely a match to average servants.
@SilimSavertin11 жыл бұрын
This type of translation/text flow is actually intentional in Type-Moon works, to simulate internal monologues that rarely, if ever, follow gramatical rules.
@ebering4.0393 жыл бұрын
I haven‘t played the extra games and just watched playthroughs. It seems Archers Rho Aias is the only way to block her game over NP
@EndOfScrutiny12 жыл бұрын
CIS is just a convenient tool when you make a character too powerful to be beaten conventionally in a story. In the context of a mere battle you wouldn't need that. Basically Shiki could be a real pain to a servant but as you know she's limited to a simple human body. As stated by Nasu himself, she could reach Ciel tier
@RamixTheRed12 жыл бұрын
Mystic eyes of death perception apparently allow people to kill anything. I haven't read the novels but I think it should be possible. Also, @Evap69, while that is true it wouldn't have made for a very interesting boss fight.
@SoysauceML11 жыл бұрын
Sorry but no. Fake Helix Sword? It's Caladbolg II. Red hound is a terrible translation of Hound of Crimson Plains, they should've just used its OFFICIAL english name, Hrunting. By the way official english name for projection is Gradation Air. Same would be said with Rho Aias. An example of good translation would be like Unlimited Codes, though I don't know what happened to the translation team. There are various key terms in this particular game that is translated very badly.
@ruikirisame17447 жыл бұрын
True but at least the game is translated. CCC on the hand
@catman92226 жыл бұрын
Saladbowls everywhere.
@voivodadracula19365 жыл бұрын
Ahem, Archer vs Ultimate Waifu. There, i fixed the tittle
@SasukeTheCursed12 жыл бұрын
In that regard you have to think about where UBW death spot would be. Its its own reality so theres a good chance its far out of her reach and even trying to get to it would simply lead to her giving Archer an opening to annihilate her (as if he couldnt do that already considering how powerful he is even among servants)
@MrErethyr12 жыл бұрын
Shiki Ryougi would make an awesome Servant Assassin!
@EC-rk2zl4 жыл бұрын
And now she is... in fgo
@shibadoggo36504 жыл бұрын
lol
@ZengarZanvolt12 жыл бұрын
Killing a Reality marble is something that is unheard of.
@ZengarZanvolt13 жыл бұрын
@OracleCopyCat Skill distribution? If you meant stats, Strength A+, Endurance B and Agility C.
@UnholyDarknessZ11 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah , Saber was never nerfed under Shirou's command - she was weakened from start to finish even after the Magic Circuit implant (Which was pretty much just an act to create a bond between Saber and Shirou for Mana supply) She was only at her best with real Masters like Rin.
@DivingHusky11 жыл бұрын
6:37 what you are looking for
@SasukeTheCursed12 жыл бұрын
actually I believe I heard someone say that third personality Ryougi can only fight a servant defensively (Nasu's words) though it doesnt specify which type of servant so I just automatically assume hes referring to a True Assassin class as the templet.
@Stormraider82112 жыл бұрын
Than what about Type-Mercury. It was also stated that it doesn't follow Gaia's laws of death making MEDP useless against it. Since Ea was an object from outside of Gaia, I just wanted to know if it works. Yes she can kill many things, but Nasu made it that other wordly beings that don't follow gaia's laws are immune to MEDP.
@Hibiki7soul11 жыл бұрын
Btw i never said Shirou needs Saber to use "projection" i only said he needed her to use Avalon's ability that's it.
@SasukeTheCursed12 жыл бұрын
Not quite, yes Saber was able to avoid death because of her luck but at the time it was only C rank meaning that it doesnt take much to break that rule. In addition its been show that the so call unstoppable lance could be stopped as Archer demonstrated with Rho Aias. Sometimes the difference in strength trumps the rule applied to a specific ability. That being said saying she could kill UBW is no different than saying she could kill the world because a Reality Marble isn't just a concept.
@SasukeTheCursed12 жыл бұрын
That would still require a ludicrous amount of time, not to mention the sophisticated and complex ability to travel between those planets and build an armada... and if that happens she effective kills herself in the end so it would all be pretty pointless.
@gotouchsomegrasstoday11 жыл бұрын
Not exactly, he can only create weapon/shield if they are made of resource found in this universe and upon wielding it, he gain full profficiency. However Excalibur is a weapon that chooses it's master, and shirou is not it's master. Avalon's passive effect only works while saber is nearby cuz it require saber's mana. Avalon cannot be reproduce because it contain material not of this world. Also you must keep in mind they have mana limit and reproducing shield cost ALOT more mana than weapons.
@ZhongliArchonofSwag11 жыл бұрын
Good thing she's only got the watered down version of the eyes of Death Perception.
@syrelian5 жыл бұрын
Oh no no no, if you give her half a chance, she will literally tear your ability to fight out piece by piece before just executing you, this guy just managed to stuff every attempt to straight up murder she had
@joeltanlehao11 жыл бұрын
the protag of the kara no kyoukai series also by type-moon
@SasukeTheCursed12 жыл бұрын
No because if it happened it would still be a natural pattern of reality. The fact that something can happen means that reality has made it possible for that to happen. So in itself allowing this in depth understanding of death exist is contradicting its own existence by allowing something that would allow for its own death.
@MerryJin029912 жыл бұрын
No, I'm saying they were like "Fake she could of destroyed the Reality Marble". If the thing really was real she could kill anything on the first hit, which as you saw she do a heavy hit on Archer (Twin Towers) so in reality if she had the chance Archer would be dead.
@UnholyDarknessZ11 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, not that the Skill sheet is BS - Stats do come off as being obvious at times. Lancer, Assassin and Berserker were all insanely fast for instance with A Rank Agility and the Agility difference between Saber and her Alter form was pretty obvious with Archer when he was getting pushed back by brute force instead of technique and speed. Berserker also had an A+ Strength which pretty much sent Saber flying around the place in the earlier chapters.
@legionz20012 жыл бұрын
@XeroMaano oh ahaha ok, really like this game took me a week to finish it and another week for new game +. cant wait for fate extra CCC :D i want to play this more, but am done using the three servants wish they have made all classes available..
@EndOfScrutiny12 жыл бұрын
Well the Types are in another category entirely so i didn't include them.
@kakashi090912 жыл бұрын
fun trivia... this archer is quite broken.. reason include that he can go on bow mode despite he is in UBW... next is that there should only be 1 hrunting... and then its not pre-recognition, its trace on!... and the rho aias isnt really 7 star of heaven and what makes it broken is its usable in any way it should only be usable during magic burst, and it must only block projectiles...
@ssjokg11 жыл бұрын
At some point,I dont remember if it is after Gil tried to pull Ea or not,Shirou says that: he is lucky that the fight didnt drag out/it mustnt drag out . Their "melee fight" in the VN was nothing like what we saw in the movie.Just like with Archer vs Shirou,the lack of info on Saber vs Assassin and I dont need to mention how Berserker become so "weak" in the adaptation.
@blue6sub6remnant612 жыл бұрын
Oh, it's possible. Heck, Ryougi Shiki is especially good at using her MEDP to kill "concepts." As a reality marble is a person's essence conceptualized and overlayed upon reality. Unless said person is deathless, I do not see why their reality marble would be. Although, It stands to reason that anyone fighting a heroic spirit wouldn't divide their attention. Additionally, Gil's Enuma Elish has broken reality marbles and he's to be in Extra CCC.
@starlore12311 жыл бұрын
Jesus, I just realized how deadly Shiki really is. Woman hits harder than a truck in this game, and about ten times more durable.
@SasukeTheCursed12 жыл бұрын
Theres an explanation for why shirou could do it. 1 Berserkers skin was ripped off and if you recall his skin was supposed to act as the armor, and even if it werent Shirou performed 9 consecutive strikes in under 1 second, even Berserker cant heal that fast meaning his immunity wouldn't have taken place yet. As for your corruption argument that is invalid because Excalibur is a blade with affinity to both light and darkness its alignment doesnt effect its power. SA still has it as A++
@Amraphenson12 жыл бұрын
This is the same Shiki that's said to only be able to fight servants on a 'defensive' battle, mind you. Also, Shiki's effective range is 3 meters; even without UBW, Archer's range is much further than that and he has no need to worry about his Master. You speak as though it's a given that she'd win, but there's no concrete proof she would; she could barely beat Araya with her sword, and if it wasn't for Araya's origin she would've lost.
@xXM4ximumXx12 жыл бұрын
Well, even Gilgamesh was able to kill a world using his Noble Phantasm Ea...
@ShadowPersona36011 жыл бұрын
Actually, he just needs to spend a lot of magical energy in order to use "projection" magic. The whole "materials" thing is a lie because Shiro's actually a natural "projection" user" (he just didn't use it much because his father told him it was useless) And sure he shares magic with Saber, but that's not why he could. As for Rho Aias. It's more like a double-edged sword. It can block attacks and avoid fatal strikes, but every time each layer/petal break, the user takes damage anyways
@MerryJin029912 жыл бұрын
It's not the capability to 1-shot people, it's the capability to bring forward a fated death. If the enemy is strong enough/not fated to die (Arcuied Brunestud at her strongest / Araya Soren) then she is unable to 1-hit them.
@jefthereaper10 жыл бұрын
Kinda wondering how Shiki Ryougi got herself into this mess in the first place, she had her happy end in Kara no Kyoukai, so how did this happen?! XD
@TaigaXsenpai7 жыл бұрын
its alternative universe, but if her background story is the same, well she will always be addicted to killing so there is always a reason for her to fight.
@Lemuel9286 жыл бұрын
Or probably she end up as Assassin Class instead.
@CuriousPersianCat12 жыл бұрын
Actually...it is heard of..in a certain doujin work series. You'd know this if you frequent a certain site..it was hilarious because they will spam this answer when you ask "can shiki kill... ?"
@Xernitory2 жыл бұрын
what
@coldDrive12 жыл бұрын
Lair of the Beast King disagrees. Einhase disagrees, if that can be considered one. Wallachia disagrees. Araya's Spiral Building disagrees.
@WhoTookPlockrock11 жыл бұрын
Goddamn, Unlimited Blade Works. Archer does more damage in ten seconds than he'd done in the entire fight up to that point. And then he keeps going.
@SasukeTheCursed12 жыл бұрын
I'm pointing out flaws in abilities, but here he flat out said that a stronger servant would win, that means he thought this one through and decided to make her weaker than the stronger servants who I am guessing would be the Archer, Saber, Lancer and Berserker classes. Though I have no doubt that Fake Assassin could take her simply because his skill is literally god like. A normal assassin, caster (depending on the tactics) and Rider would likely lose... depending on the individual hero.
@XeroMaano12 жыл бұрын
@legionz200 I can't wait for CCC either. Meanwhile, I have a list of personal achievements for Extra on each servant. I have completed the game 6 times now(3 Saber, 2 Caster, Archer), and I am on week 4 rani's route with caster for my 7th playtrough. :3
@SasukeTheCursed12 жыл бұрын
Well in that regard, she could still only kill him so many times, not 12, beheading, Excalibur laser, pierce through the heart and then just ripping him apart that would equal 6 deaths at max. But the wiki isnt always correct, the most common understanding ive encountered is that a weapon is counted as the attack, so 1 kill from excalibur would be it, it would explain Archers tactics in fighting him. Using different weapons each time. Overedge counts a different weapon.
@SasukeTheCursed12 жыл бұрын
But heres the thing. Its said that Gae Bolg couldn't be stopped when used as a projectile but that was proven incorrect, so why couldn't Piercing Thorn of Death Thorns be disproved just as easily? I mean if you really think about it Avalon would stop its effect as well as its projectile effect.
@SasukeTheCursed12 жыл бұрын
Well theres the issue "probably." Sometimes you merely have to account for the difference in power and not just assume an ability can be applied to all situations merely because a rule says it does. I mean look at Gae Bolg "Will pierce the heart no matter what" yet it clearly says that enough luck will allow one to dodge it. The simple fact is that while Shiki is indeed impressive taking into account how powerful and actually incomprehensible UBW is I doubt she could destroy it.
@UnholyDarknessZ11 жыл бұрын
It depends on the Servant's experience - it was already mentioned that Caster was inexperienced in melee combat and Archer did a whole lot of insane things with mediocre stats. Really puny Servants like Avenger would probably be screwed within seconds but most of the Servants from Zero and F/SN wasn't exactly your typical average Servant. Funny how the Berserker Class is supposed to be a class for weak Heroic Spirits and Masters just force-summon a powerful Heroic Spirit in it's place.
@dollsgwen4 жыл бұрын
guys we’re gonna see shiki in hd
@placeholder38633 жыл бұрын
just watch the movies?
@dollsgwen3 жыл бұрын
no
@placeholder38633 жыл бұрын
@@dollsgwen why?
@SoysauceML11 жыл бұрын
Doesn't really change the fact that he wasn't quite familiar with nasuverse, sure he wasn't obligated to do so but it doesn't prevent it from simply being bad.
@Evap6912 жыл бұрын
"Her MEoDP allows her to perceive the death of more or less anything that exists. Whether it is a person, an object, a ghost, a disease, a thought lingering in someone's mind, magecraft, a ward, a psychic attack, etc., so long as it exists, she can kill it." Taken from the wiki, case closed?
@SasukeTheCursed12 жыл бұрын
hinted doesnt mean it is, and even so Nasu is the maker of both worlds, so if he said she can only fight defensively than thats his judgment.
@IPWNEDSASUKEANDKIRA12 жыл бұрын
no it belongs to Zeltrech, rin only had a proyection made by shirou(sorry for my bad english)
@ssjokg11 жыл бұрын
Her power allows her to kill the existence of everyone/anything that is form Earth(Origin etc). Speed and strength agility etc are high for a human at least but nothing OP(at least from what I have seen you cant call her powers normal).
@dragonraizen12 жыл бұрын
Perfectly possible for her. Gilgamesh outright destroys a reality marble through pure force in Fate/Zero.
@lastxwriter12 жыл бұрын
...Holy shit, you blocked Shiki. Even the Eyes of Mystic Death Perception can't stand up to Rho Aias? That's badass!
@lastxwriter12 жыл бұрын
Even the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception stand no chance against Rho Aias.
@SasukeTheCursed12 жыл бұрын
I'm not saying that it cant be destroyed only that she may lack the ability to destroy it. this is the universe we are talking about after all, it would be like a spec of dust causing the Earth to explode... and thats being generous.