Fate/Extra: CCC Part 28 - AUO vs. Gawain [English Subs]

[@ZVNYT]

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[@eniggmaaincognito7215]

13:40 Just because Gawain is correct doesn't mean he's right.

[@soralight_x]

I'll admit Gilgamesh is Evil but Not Pure Evil

[@kurayamihikaru367]

Gilgamesh Caster is actually Lawful Good, but that's another stage of his life.

[@soralight_x]

Gilgamesh Caster is ok, I like him. He's nothing like Devil Gilgamesh

[@Garmagic2yFhenrakh9]

@@soralight_x Gilgamesh is described as "Chaotic Good". Really

[@soralight_x]

@@Garmagic2yFhenrakh9 All Heroic Spirits have aligments

[@pyroromancer]

**clank clank clank clank** so thats why gil seems to float from battle to battle in fgo.

[@MrThecrazyzombie]

And then he runs again in fgo arcade

[@gabrieldoyen692]

AUO is so hard to deal with. Unlike Andersen who just give you the naked truth in such a blunt manner that you can't help but being offended, Gilgamesh love to say it in the most insulting fashion just to see how you will react and laugh of it. Thank a lot for the upload too.

[@soralight_x]

10:25 Is Gilgamesh making fun of the Same Servant he became obassessed with on the FSN Universe!?

[@edgargaebolg9307]

Gil is tsundere. He tells you your flaws by insulting you because i-it's not like he cares about a mongrel, baka!

[@soralight_x]

Dilana Karatas I already know the reason why Gil was so into Saber.

[@mitchellbaran7917]

@@soralight_x Well, half the reason he was obsessed with her was *because* he disagreed with her beliefs; he wanted to be the one to make her give up on those values and thereby subsist to him. The other half was that she was one of the first women he knew of to keep refusing him sparked his interest. So yeah... he basically obsessed over her because he wanted to troll her into submission and got hooked on her when she didn't give in.

[@ousamadearudesuwa]

as long as you are not his Hakunon, whom he would want to bang if not for his extreme ego to prove the truth all the time.

[@mitchellbaran7917]

As someone who's played F/GO's sixth singularity, the irony of Gil's lecture to Gawain is not lost on me.

[@Dragonage2ftw]

I don’t get it.

[@thefunniervalentine1092]

@@Dragonage2ftw I think it's how Gil criticized Gawain's blind loyalty to the King. Too loyal to the fact that even during the 6th Singularity in FGO Gawain was ready to slaughter innocent lives - men, women, children without a single thought or mercy and even doesn't hesitate to kill his own brethren, the Knights he fought along side with during his lifetime just because his King (Artoria) ordered him to. Pike him or hate him, Gil does spit out straight points. He is right about how Gawain seeing Artoria as a savior, a righteous person, a saint and not as a simple human is so wrong. And since humans are prone to make mistakes, when Artoria does one, Gawain instead blames himself. Like how he even blames himself for the Battle of Camlann

[@lizelin6187]

@@thefunniervalentine1092 Gilgamesh himself is actually a pretty misunderstood person himself. As said by Enkidu.

[@Detherocable]

How is it ironic? What he said is bang on with respect to what transpired in Camelot. Gawain, blinded by admiration bordering sycophanticism, followed Altria’s orders to the dot. Judging defenseless women and children even. There’s no irony here. Gil was bang on the money. Word choice. Word choice.

[@uwum3h997]

@@thefunniervalentine1092 But it’s kinda true that it was Gawain’s fault due to his values he cannot trust and let Lancelot go help Artoria in the battle against Mordred as he thought Lancelot will betray Artoria while Artoria said that Lancelot will be allowed to help fight the rebellion

[@vegaaltair8478]

So basically gilgamesh told gawain that he's too loyal to King Arthur to the point that he can't see his king burden, because on gawain eyes, King Arthur is already an "ideal king"

[@shutup1037]

Yeah, almost like Karna's loyalty I guess?

[@empyreanpenguin1278]

He calls him out for not being able to see Arthur's personal dilemma over her "perfect king" image and further burdening her with that adoration and expectation. And then Gawain proves him right by not listening to his words and keeping his position as a mindless, loyal knight only answering to his king’s whim. Ganbatte Gawain :V

[@mitchellbaran7917]

Yep... and then F/GO releases the Camelot Singularity to show exactly what the end-result of that could have been.

[@tronovonflidder775]

@@empyreanpenguin1278 Gilgamesh of all people shouldn't be calling Gawain out for his way of life. Though Arthur's inner pain was true, Gawain was entitled to live the way he wanted, which was to be Arthur's sword and serve him loyally. Personal matters were not his role as a knight. Gilgamesh on the other hand was a king and held all the responsibility but yet chose to spend his early years as a tyrant. Arthur's perfection only became a noteworthy flaw due to the plotting of Morgan le Fay, had she not sought out to destroy Arthur's kingdom, it would have most likely lasted forever in eternal peace, as no outsiders could ever hope to touch it, and misunderstandings alone aren't enough to spark a rebellion. Gilgamesh was far from perfect and Gawain checkmated him with that. Gilgamesh tried to trigger Gawain by insulting his king's ways, but instead Gawain pointed out the selfishness in Gilgamesh's rule, in which Gilgamesh acknowledges himself that he cannot deny his own flaws, which demonstrates how pointless their discussion was. It was basically this, Gilgamesh: "You just blindly do whatever your king wants!" Gawain: "Well yeah, I'm a knight, I chose that path." Gilgamesh: "Oh shit yeah, ah well, what about your king? Bet he was flawed but didn't show it." Gawain: "Stfu, you were shittier than my king ever could've been." Gilgamesh: "...you people will never understand what it is to be a king!" *enters spirit form like a bitch.* Jokes aside, they're both awesome, but Gilgamesh never won this like you imply. They both don't approve of one another's ways, it's as simple as that. Yes, Gawain's blind loyalty never helped his King, but Gilgamesh is a hypocrite to call out anyone else on their own flaws.

[@tronovonflidder775]

@@mitchellbaran7917 Wrong. The Lion King is different to Artoria, as her personality changed as a result of becoming a Divine Spirit. Normal Artoria's rule would have never ended up that way. And besides, though Lion King has lost much value in individuals, her method of saving humanity via storing the souls of good people so that they can survive the end of the world is arguably not a bad thing. Free will is no longer there but at least you have hope for a potential future. If the world ends and you physically exist for it, there's no hope left, you're just dead. Her methods weren't politically correct but they were far from evil or even bad, considering the other option was death.

[@Tanjou21]

Not even remotely in the room Gilgamesh thirsts for Artoria...

[@SkycometAnimeVamp]

It’s an amusing Easter egg

[@soralight_x]

11:11 Gawain I sorta understand How you Must feel, but what happened in the *Battle of Calamn wasn't you fault.*

[@AusSP]

It was a lot of people's fault. The end result of an imperfect king who could not acknowledge that imperfection.

[@brucewayne8550]

@@AusSP Except that's not what happened at all... At least read the VN or Garden of Avalon at the very least...

[@mrdapperness1199]

@@brucewayne8550 what happened?

[@brucewayne8550]

@@mrdapperness1199 The Fall of Camelot and the Battle of Camlann was in no fault of Gawain nor Artoria's. Camelot was always destined to collapse regardless of whatever anyone tried to do to stop it. Artoria managed to bring peace and prosperity for a relative period of time of 10 years that extended Britain's waning Age of Gods far beyond its expected life span. But not everything was perfect. Artoria managed to create a working government and united the warring Lords under her banner and created Camelot which not even her father managed to achieve in his lifetime, yes. However, while Artoria did strive to be the perfect King, the downfall of Camelot was pre-determined and the fact that the perfect King could not be understood and was not wanted by its imperfect people. The Lords she had united under her banner did not like her being King and sought to undermine her authority since they believed they were the rightful rulers, but since she managed to show results, they followed her lead. The land was infertile and famine was common and there was nothing she could rightly do about it. They faced many invaders from the Anglo-Saxon who also were just seeking a home to call their own which Artoria didn't begrudge them for but for the war effort, she had to cannibalize her own villages for resources to further fund her army which lead people from those villages to call her a tyrant, but those who were merely looking on from other villages called her a sort of savior or war god. Suffice to say that Camelot had a host of problems beyond "The King was bad" is quite the understatement. Particularly, the Battle of Camlann was not Gawain's fault. He believes it was his fault because he turned away Lancelot who showed up to help, due to his grudge of Lancelot having killed his siblings Gareth, Gaheris and Agravain during his saving of Guinevere during her execution. The Battle of Camlann was a lot of successful maneuvering of Morgan and Mordred, who managed to win over a bunch of the corrupt Lords during Artoria's absence when she was away fighting the Romans, so even if Gawain had put aside his grudge, the outcome would not have changed. The Battle of Camlann would have still happened, just most likely with a different winner and Camelot would have still collapsed after regardless of who won that fated battle on the hill.

[@mrdapperness1199]

@@brucewayne8550 damnnnn that's a whole bunch but thank u for explaining!

[@sof-rh8jp]

14:05 Awww, tsundere Gil

[@onemoregodrejected9369]

I am not sure but I think Hakunon answering "No, that´s wrong" instead "..." avoided a death flag?

[@jennifermaradiaga8575]

Nope, he actually is agrees with it and without further ado he disappears. I think this was more abt building a bond option, i get this feeling Gilgamesh hates himself for the things he did in the past but he isn't going to deny them.

[@onemoregodrejected9369]

@@jennifermaradiaga8575 man, probably Nasu knows how his mind works, but for me is fucking impredictable

[@jennifermaradiaga8575]

Nah bro, that's literally what happens in the game if you pick to remain silent, he accepts he's a tyrant and disappears if i remember correctly. I think the only time he actually kills Hakuno is when she refuses to have him as a servant or some shit at beginning, later the red flags are more associated with choices surrounding BB and the alter egos.

[@onemoregodrejected9369]

@@jennifermaradiaga8575 idk I think there was at least 5 death flags with Gil wich most of them were leaving you at BB mercy, soon we will get the fan translation anyways :) He is an absolute cheat battle wise but he was made hard to handle. Because that is accurate. Look at Rin father in Zero.

[@jennifermaradiaga8575]

@@onemoregodrejected9369 Im telling you bc i played the game, that's what happens in that situation. The death flag that happens with Gilgamesh leaving Hakuno with BB is bc BB ask her to break the contract, if she agrees then Gilgamesh obviously leave and that happens. I don't remember any other in a similar situation, might need to play it again to check tho. I agree that he's probably the most dificult lil shitt to handle, but Tohsaka being like he was didn't help at all, I think i remember in the og he was trying to make Gilgamesh to kill himself when he obtained the grail and well, he constantly licking his shoes instead of actually try to communicate was a big fat mistake.

[@oscarmendez1477]

Now that extra is getting a remake....I cannot wait when CCC gets one to finally play it! I wonder if we have to wait 2 or even 5 years? I bet extra will sell very well.

[@SDHVFS]

if you know it ever gets released

[@oscarmendez1477]

@@SDHVFS Please....do not...I really hope it's not like the Tsukihime remake and is just Japanese language with no other languages...... But then again Tsukihime is a VN and Extra remake is an RPG, that sounds way more global money-wise.

[@henrywilson4244]

13:09 “insert Danganronpa meme”

[@Marcwedmaster]

*insert bullet being shoot in slow motion sound effect* SORE GA CHIGAU YO!

[@mrdapperness1199]

LMAO YES

[@mrdapperness1199]

Allow me to cut through your words!

[@queenirithyll]

Damn! I clicked so fast! Thank you again for the upload ❤

[@jasu_88_105]

Gawain: I serve the King Gilgamesh: I banged your King Gawain: *Gawain. exe has stopped working*

[@TaigaXsenpai]

09:30 knowing Gilgamesh temper, I have thought after Gawain insulted him he would attack him without any second thought.... He learned some "humility" after Hollow Ataraxia ;)

[@pcmld2267]

Gilgamesh doesn’t really have any emotional attachments to this situation. He’s merely an observer and he withholds an attitude similar to one. Furthermore, he respects Gawain as a hero.

[@INCOGNITO-iq4qy]

Gilgamesh destroyed him with facts

[@darkhorse744]

@@INCOGNITO-iq4qy and logic

[@imimori]

This video didnt age well, FGO Babylonia chapter kinda prooves gilgamesh's point on how to rule properly(albeit minus the overwork to death).

[@jennifermaradiaga8575]

Thing is Gawain is talking abt Gilgamesh before his travels after Enkidu's death, same with Hans, they both mention his years as a tyrant and not the things he did in his later years.

[@Kaxaiak]

@@jennifermaradiaga8575 Yes, but what Gawain didn't consider is that in the end Gilgamesh's kingdom prospered while Artoria's fell.

[@Andreu0rtin]

@@Kaxaiak "Prospered" From Uruk survived a couple hundreds at best.

[@Kaxaiak]

@@Andreu0rtin A few hundred surviving people flourishing in a kingdom is better than a destroyed one.

[@Andreu0rtin]

@@Kaxaiak No, it is blatantly stated that Gilgamesh's culture will be whipped out from the face of the earth and that they will be the foundation from other people, that is what Chaldea is trying to save at the end of Babylonia. And even then from hundreds of thousands to a couple hundreds is far from thriving.

[@zan1971]

Gilgamesh says it's natural for a servant to betray their master if they walk different paths and it shouldn't be considered a betrayal at all. But isn't it technically a betrayal because the servant doesn't outright say I won't work with you but rather hides her intentions and acts upon them whenever they like? They should consult each other or just make their intentions clear from the start so the other will be warned and ready. Also I don't get how not being ok with servant betraying their master leads to serving an overly righteous king. A king should ensure the peacefulness of their subjects after all, just like how there are a set of laws that govern every country which have to be abided. And since it was betrayal, it should lead to punishment from the king to uphold the law.

[@hungerxhunger2548]

You really are naive aren't you

[@zan1971]

@@hungerxhunger2548 How about you explain yourself then if you're so knowledgeable about the subject.

[@jassjake5137]

I think the point being made was less on how "not being okay with the servant betraying their master leads to serving an overly righteous king", but more on criticizing Gawain's ideology. Gilgamesh doesn't like Gawain's servitude mindset because of how extreme he is with it, as it shows: Gawain is idolizes the king to the point where he forgets the king himself is human. And because the king is human, he's not always perfect in trying to curate peace, he'll make mistakes. But Gawain denies the king will ever make a mistake, instead blaming himself. Gilgamesh more or less just points this out, in an overly critical manner.

[@ousamadearudesuwa]

Gilgamesh criticizes too much of everything. He disliked Artoria, not Proto Arthur, for pretty much becoming a system that destroys themselves before they even died. He(Gil) views the fact that kings are still mere mortals that will never be perfect and Gawain, being the zealot, serves blindly on such ideals that can lead to seeing their kingdoms to ruin far earlier than the King of Conquerors. A servant is not to blindly follow their masters, especially if they go beyond the line. They are not machines as they are also records of the past and reflects who they really are, which Gilgamesh knows and acts properly. Betrayals only happen when you or the other have suddenly split paths once they almost reached their goal. In fact Lancer just Backstabbed her master before even achieving a clear goal or path that they agreed upon.

[@SDHVFS]

well look at it this way in heavens feel kirei said to shirou they don't seek the same final outcome but the first step to get to both of theres is to save illya after they do they split off immediately Its not betrayal they both knew at the beggining they wanted different things Betrayal is if you tell someone you want the same thing and will walk the dame path to the end but midway you stab them in the back

[@anonnimoose7987]

7:17 Archers beat Sabers. There's no way they'd get along.

[@ZVNYT]

In this game, Gilgamesh isn't an Archer. His class is just "Gilgamesh"

[@anonnimoose7987]

@@ZVNYT Oh so Gilgamesh is like Berserker without the disadvantages. Effective against all classes. Shit, why didn't he get a skill that removes all disadvantages for 1 turn...

[@mg137b]

So do tell me this archer gil is summon after he done his journey of immortality and rule his ppl. Cause i find him diff than in fz or fsn series. So this is what i thought he is archer gil but with gilcas wisdom and tolerncy but gilarcher power.

[@empyreanpenguin1278]

Nope, it's just Archer Gil. Gil himself explains that his personality is affected by the era he's summoned in. As he is in the Moon Cell, he is much more tolerable. In FZ he finds humanity's state to be deplorable but as a Spirit of the past, he doesn't do anything about it. In FSN, where he's incarnated into the modern world and once again human, he's going "REEE! wtf are you guys doing you bunch of fuck ups!" and decided to do things himself. tldr: he's tsundere for humanity. But instead of punch the oblivious MC he's dumping All the World's Evil on humanity. He likes it when baka humanity-kun isn't lazing around. :V "B-baka! it's not like I like you or anything!" **Pours All the World's Evil**

[@ousamadearudesuwa]

@@empyreanpenguin1278 Gil sees humanity with great potential, destroy that ideal for the potential and he will turn against humanity.

[@fluthlight7131]

Starting badly, he is not archer Gilgamesh. He doesn't have a class, it's just gilgamesh. Lol

[@SA_Vengarr]

11:53 It's really weird that the side characters don't even face the speaker in these conversations. Gaze control is such a basic thing in animation. Why even bother having 3D cutscenes if you're not going to put in the slightest effort? They look like robots.

[@rexlapis1075]

Gil is a tsundere

[@kazumakiryuu2668]

AUO and Gawain must read Quran. it has an answer to their arguement.

[@onemoregodrejected9369]

tbh I have to give a point to Gwain ... Gil logic is quite bonkers XD

[@lancehvu]

Yeah Gil definitely isn't someone most people can see eye to eye with. But he does have a point about Gawain's blind loyalty as a knight and the Sixth Singularity of Fate Grand Order only proves Gil's point of him being a knight who'll follow his king mindlessly no matter how far they've fallen.

[@eternally.confused]

Gawain logic is really really narrow-minded. I agree with Gil blind loyalty is not good.

[@peynnep6483]

I kinda feel like he has a good point, he is good at seeing things that will or have lead someone to the painful parts of their paths but as The Fool is, he/she will remain by what they believe whether or not the illusion reveals itself to not be fake all along or stops begin fake and start becoming real

[@pforgottonsoul]

@@eternally.confused i think part of it may be because gawain feels guilt for not being able to fight for his king during the battle of camlan.

[@thevgshow2723]

Camelot fell because Artoria could not understand her knights which lead to division Gawain's blind deference to someone who had failed in ruling exasberated the problem, Gil is a dick but he's right