Fate Lore - The Tale of Achilles & Chiron

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In this video of OtakuDaiKun's Fate Lore series, we look at the tale of Achilles and Chiron, the immortal war hero and his teacher.
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[@otakudaikun]

The version of Achilles' legend I'm used to is him being dipped in the river styx, his heel being the only unbathed part due to him being pinched at the heel. Do you in general like the changes Fate makes to our legends? Most of the time I feel it humanizes the characters more.

[@AriaMasterofChaldea]

That's the version I grew up with that version of the legend also!!

[@setsunakyuuki4369]

It okay are version is better maybe the flames are from the river of Styx

[@heavenlydragondemon]

Nice video can you do Boudicca too ?

[@AlukardBenXIII]

Vlad III please all of in one video Fate/Extra + Grand Order + Apocrypha

[@chaosgetsuga6114]

I mean...I can hardly be unhappy with the hype-ass results. And it is a work of fiction anyway--why would I be concerned about real-life lore? It is kinda funny, though, to think about how Akasha and the Throne of Heroes sort of bend the rules of reality by taking shit from their legends to give them abilities they may or may not've had when they were alive. Prime example of that'd be Kojiro. Or Artoria's holy Getsuga freakin' Tensho. Like, do we even know that she could do that before becoming a Servant?

[@marnetteryes2613]

So... does anyone else want a carnival phantasm-esque skit of Chiron and Scathach in the teachers lounge, talking/complaining about their cocky students?

[@omarbelhsen3421]

Oof I could see that happening actually

[@MtnMedea]

_Y E S._

[@omarbelhsen3421]

@@MtnMedea oh ok?

[@meowsterperson4483]

Yeeeee

[@dienstaghd5815]

I can already imagine it

[@seanjose2683]

Brochilles is the bro of Apocrypha Bro Chulainn is the bro of Fate Stay Night Broskandar is the bro of Fate Zero Damn it put Sasaki Brojiro in there too

[@pyroromancer]

Astolfo thou

[@fraincross8644]

Yo, over here

[@mustardwizard]

Don't forget Astolbro

[@xl9079]

What about Avicebro?

[@BradleyMcCloud]

Napoleon for lostbelt

[@fromeggman]

Honestly Achilles is such a bro, if there were a particular servant I'd want to summon in the Nasuverse it's him.

[@Jay-nc8ic]

For real I like his personality so he would be good to team up with and he is so versatile

[@soricjames1473]

I'd take karna

[@notjohndoe6878]

@@soricjames1473 you'd die if yiu can't got enough management to release his full potential

[@dienstaghd5815]

And that's the part where the salt kicks in

[@seir5772]

Just got him in FGO, insta level 90.

[@Boggsy.]

Achilles is only second to Cu for me in the franchise. Even though Achilles is considered an asshole by many from a modern perspective (which is kind of understandable in that sense) he is such a bold, complex, unassumingly intelligent and dichotomous character, and has some of the best observations on the human condition & the gods in Greek mythology. In this way, the Fate writers were pretty faithful in conveying him as a heart-on-the-sleeve kind of person- deeply sentimental (even naive) yet surprisingly sharp with a lethal serious side. Look at the change in demeanor between his battle with Siegfried, Fran, and Vlad vs. his fight with Atalanta. Similar to Cu in both that and his Broishness. And though it’s easy to see why some identify Hector as the more honorable and “heroic” of the two due to the white-washing of his character over time- even the original Hector from the Iliad was a way more “grey” character than he is commonly portrayed as now, which I prefer. Re-reading the Iliad recently gave me an appreciation for how much more complicated and human the characters are.

[@lincolnbeckett8791]

When you think about it. Aprocrapha has a quite a few interesting parent child relationships. Chrion and Achillies, Mordred and Arthur/Sisigo, Jack the Ripper and her master/Atalanta.

[@worldwanderer91]

I wish there was a Fate fanfic story featuring all the Greek Heroic Spirits. That would have been an amazing read

[@maosama3695]

would love to see it too , cause how the fuck heracles aligned with jason? like who would want to help that guy?

[@Bbmoney244]

www.fanfiction.net/s/13042670/1/Meeting-By-Fate

[@inorinane]

T-The.. Feels.. I-It's too much.. They're Relationship.. I-Is- *"FellsBadMan"* I wish Chiron was my Father.. Then Achilles and Atalante as my siblings

[@hashimalz]

Vonie Desu! I’m not crying you are crying

[@inorinane]

@@hashimalz S-Shut up I'm not crying my heart is cuz Chiron is so kind and deserves that Holy Grail *(Inserts Chibi Nero Crying Emote)*

[@ShiroHimex]

Wow, you want him to be sacrificed to that? So cruel...

[@hashimalz]

Just finished the Iliad and i’m feeling it, the feel is strong so strong that teared my kidney. Fuck Paris for killing him while Achilles was wedding to Paris’s sister

[@LoneWolf20213]

Me to

[@lorenzolorenzo7337]

Got spooked by Achilles while rolling for Mama Raikou recently Not even mad After using him he seems to be a beast of a character

[@majesticchocolaterabbit4918]

Achilles- Can only be mortally wounded on his achilles tendon. Testiklees- It's similar.

[@francescolombardi3438]

"bruh, just don't get hit. simple as that"

[@pyroromancer]

immortality by becoming a legend, echoed for eternity. Also by vulnerability, Achilles's Heel (or tendon) is the modern medical term for that body part.

[@fraincross8644]

Best hand to hand fight ever

[@captainvalourous6668]

Until Chiron got the Kakyoin treatment 😞

[@dienstaghd5815]

@@captainvalourous6668 oof

[@francescolombardi3438]

The Archer and Rider Classes are really made up of Archers and Riders!

[@ron2millionare972]

I really love the pictures of Achilles and Atalanta together, especially the first one.

[@KilobyteD]

Damn, now I need a rewatch Apocrypha yet again! This is a great series, please keep them up!

[@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723]

Achilles is by definition the King of Warriors or Princeps of War, he lives only for the challenge of battle and its glory, he is master of the central arts of warfare the shield wall, the sword & spear in hand, all forged at the behest of Ares, the God of War by the smith god Hephaestus, some say from adamant in order to equal his strength against magic or other forms of harm similar to his invulnerability to any human weapon, in certain parts he was said to wield the Sword of Slaughter or War given by Are himself,

[@yanoitriatheshy1925]

Can you do Edmond Next please😢

[@fraincross8644]

Like this to get Dai Kun to read the Count of Monte Cristo

[@maxlong21]

Edmond!!!!

[@MaestroDobel1884]

I really admire people like you. You're so awesome at what you do! Thank you for helping everyone understand the story better. :) Like, Honestly.

[@otakudaikun]

Kaleo Namauu Thank you^^

[@MaestroDobel1884]

@@otakudaikun No problem! Keep up the good work! :)

[@d.n5287]

The only person with more thrusting skills than Achilles is Zeus himself

[@otakudaikun]

Duc Nguyen I wonder about Fergus.

[@antoniofaulkner6018]

The thumbnail is just. JUST DO IT. YES JUST DO IT.

[@trajano777]

great video like usual. i love how you use the images and music... by the way that picture of Astolfo and Achilles made me think that both riders dressed as women at some point of their lives.

[@Atropa_Belladonna]

Hey is Jeanne d' Arc crossdress too while she's alive? Especially when she took arms?

[@antivenom68]

ACHILLES!!!!

[@tonyinfinite5174]

beautiful vid Dai hope you cover some lostbelt servants like Anastasia since she stayed true to her lore somewhat

[@Selvariabell]

I've been reading books of old, The legends and the myths.

[@leviamberblossom9233]

Achilles and his gold, Hercules and his gifts.

[@nicholasensign7871]

A lore video on altera, by the way nice job

[@foxtrot9299]

Um guys I dont understand why people ship Achilles and Atalanta he had a MALE LOVER.

[@otakudaikun]

I don't ship them romantically, but I do feel they're very close. That said, a lot of greeks were bisexual.

[@hjt091]

He also had female lovers? Like, he had a son. Also, it's explicitly mentioned that he has a crush on Atalanta in Apocrypha.

[@gamechanger8908]

@@hjt091 His son was Neoptolemus(pyrrhus)

[@henryp9671]

He was actually bisexual there’s a whole play about the girl he was fucking being killed to give the fleet the wind they need to go invade Troy. Which is why he refuses to fight until Patroclus dies then he’s like no I have to go avenge my boyfriend

[@seph4707]

I already have Ozymandias and I have plenty of archers but I would be very happy to have them both in my chaldea. Very cool heroes and legends.

[@ambervalkerie9134]

AchilliesxAtalanta forever!!!!

[@Archangelglenn]

Yes! I totes agree! They make a good pair. :D

[@griffionwyvrus9063]

Nah. Actually in Greek Mythology, Atalanta had a mutual understanding with the hero Meleager. Some literature even clearly pointed that Atalanta joined the Argonauts because she was chasing after him. Meleager was also fallen to Atalanta the problem is that he has a wife and he was an honorable warrior among the Greek heroes so he set aside his feelings for her. He even killed his uncle and brother just to protect Atalanta's dignity which cause his death. Though Atalanta had married someone, it was more her obligation after all he lost the bet.

[@Archangelglenn]

I am aware of the origin story for Atalanta. I just like how the chemistry works for them on screen. I think they make for a truly excellent pair in my book.

[@JuanRodriguez-ox6is]

*Cough*AchillesxPatroclus*Cough*

[@ambervalkerie9134]

@@JuanRodriguez-ox6is not until Patroclus gets into FGO

[@ironicallygenericname3989]

“...godlike thrusts...”

[@otakudaikun]

IronicallyGenericName Perv... jk

[@francescolombardi3438]

could be a Lancer with such powerful spear skill

[@benng4059]

Thank you.

[@Sativa989]

Excellent

[@adsfddsdfsfsdsasofsavgdhua4879]

Yes i cried so what

[@lniyu]

Since me favorite servant was mentioned in the lore. .. me would love to see one video like this about Penthesilea. . . oh my ! ! Btw, gud video ! ! I feel like watching Fate Apo now . . oh my

[@otakudaikun]

I love Fate/Apocrypha. Don't believe them haters.

[@gundambassexe31]

Yay the story of Achilles and Chiron!

[@lonely_warrior]

i like this version of the legend, but i always thought that he have a connection with atalanta by how he called sis to her, i wonder what would happen if Achilled meet Penthesilea again

[@lonely_warrior]

@mr. unknown now i really want to see that reunion in fgo, i know she appears in the new saga but dont know about achilles aside of the apochypha banner...damm

[@IapitusMcHeimer]

I think Paris as an Archer servant would be pretty great. What would you all think his Noble Phantasm would be?

[@PaintTrain777]

Probably something related to how he brought down Achilles, it's his mark on mythology. How about Theío vélos ilíou, or 'Divine Sun Arrow' in reference to Apollo? It's a one shot deal, but it's guaranteed to hit a target's weakest point, not killing them but exposing their weakness.

[@IapitusMcHeimer]

@@PaintTrain777 seems like it has a lot of potential

[@lucklaster6614]

A shot that breaks invulnerability maybe lol.

[@xuanathan]

Shoot the enemy in the heel

[@sofoklits]

A mix between Diarmuid's ,,Love spot" and lancelots ,,Knight of Owner". If Paris Touches a woman with low magic resistance she will become his slave

[@fatelover9007]

Fun fact: Chiron helped Peleus capture Thetis, as well as gave Peleus the spear Achilles uses

[@ejedwards988]

Right, random question. Chiron is a centaur, got that, how does he sleep? I understand how horses sleep but its the human half that confuses me. Like is there ideally a shelf or something he can rest his arms and heads on? Does he just let his human torso hang? Does he remain straight up with his head bowed? Please tell me someone else has thought of this? There are so many things I feel like no one really has thought through in fantasy. Like how does a centaur's spine work? Do centaurs bother kissing or do they favor horses more when it comes to love and affection? Can a centaur use a lance and not snap their own spine because they cant move back as the absorb the force like a mounted warrior? So many questions!

[@otakudaikun]

I have no idea. There's certainly an uncanny aspect of centaurs.

[@lonesomebookworm4345]

Finally, someone asking the real questions XD I suppose it wouldn't hurt to speculate... Maybe he usually lays on his side? I've also heard that horses sleep standing up if they don't feel completely safe, thus him napping while standing up doesn't seem that far fetched to me

[@Dark_Boba-chan]

Can you please go more in depth about Chiron's lore? He's got a lot more note worthy facts... He's kinda underrated

[@davidpower5710]

The cu of geeks

[@devanpousson9594]

Was wondering if you could do one on Amakusa?

[@fun_phantom9733]

Yes!!!!

[@jacopoarmini7889]

for some reason he isn't a bishonen... I mean, he literally is one in the Trojan wars, so why they didn't make him like that (and make more sweet money) is beyond me. I love his character and Chiron in Apocrypha, but while Chiron is 100% accurate character wise, Achilles is weirdly too likeable. Also, I laugh every time I hear Patroclus is his "friend", and this time there's no clay to save him.

[@otakudaikun]

Jacopo Armini I wasn't sure if their homosexual relationship was actually something Homer wrote or others inferred later.

[@JuanRodriguez-ox6is]

@@otakudaikun he didn't confirm nor deny(didn't even try to and left it VERY open to being seen that way) but they were written as lovers in Greek literature by ones like Plato. While they slept with other women(bisexuality wasn't strange in ancient greece) it could be said they were the ones that they loved most and were seen as symbolic same-sex couple in the ancient world(like by Alexander the great) it just wasn't in your face about it.

[@otakudaikun]

Juan Rodriguez I'm not denying it either. It's just not the most relevant detail.

[@jacopoarmini7889]

OtakuDaiKun indeed, I just found funny that a potentially more marketable character was left unused. I suppose it's because they couldn't make a pretty girl out of him or something like that.

[@sunnernitesenpai8520]

Id like to see Robinhood next

[@alexcovarrubias5498]

Oh OtakuDaiKun can you do kiyohime fate lore form fate grand order please

[@AriaMasterofChaldea]

Achillies!! Chiron!!

[@ninjadynasty1132]

Achilles has the traits to be a lancer right?

[@otakudaikun]

Ninja Dynasty I believe so.

[@ninjadynasty1132]

Thank goodness Cú Scathach Brynhilder Vlad Karna And practically Achilles The Lancer class is dope

[@haidaran3983]

Ninja Dynasty Yes He also available in Berserker and Shielder class too

[@ninjadynasty1132]

Band Width Beserker?! Really, like alter Cú or based on his rage when he killed hector?

[@haidaran3983]

Ninja Dynasty Most likely based from how he kill Hector and drag his body around Trojan He said in FGO Apo event that he wouldnt do anything insane or disrespectfull except if he summoned as berserker

[@captaincharlemagne]

Can't wait for achilles lore by himself

[@otakudaikun]

He's not going to have one. This covered all I wanted to mention for both of them.

[@captaincharlemagne]

Ow well can't wait to see whose next

[@ninjadynasty1132]

I want to hear brynhilder story

[@carlgoggles1970]

Background music ?

[@Cheeselover434]

Can you make oda nobunaga lore

[@LoneWolf20213]

Atalanta is older than Achilles but how older is she compared to him, 8 or 12 years, am I close

[@rament1215]

Awesome video but I'm still wondering why Achilles called Atalanta "sister" in Apocrypha

[@otakudaikun]

Ramen T12 Perhaps because of the relationship she had with Achilles' dad.

[@rament1215]

Ohhh that makes sense

[@francescolombardi3438]

but sisssssssss

[@mg137b]

Didnt get Achilles in FGOJP I will see you in FGONA

[@otakudaikun]

Best of luck!

[@MaverickX578]

Looks like you’ve gotten some free time. 😁

[@otakudaikun]

Yuuki Aoshima & Homura Akasuki Free time?

[@MaverickX578]

OtakuDaiKun what I mean is, you’ve finally gotten time to upload a video.

[@otakudaikun]

Yuuki Aoshima & Homura Akasuki I upload a video every week tho.

[@MaverickX578]

OtakuDaiKun oh, ok, so will you do Penthesilea if you can? Or maybe some of the new heroic spirits that came out this year.

[@Solqueen86]

Funny thing is if Chiron wasn't summon into the grail war with Achilles on the opponent's team Achilles would have been unstoppable against the Black faction since only those with blood of Gods within them or God's themselves could harm him...Unless they start aiming really low...

[@Akane040]

Solqueen86 plus I'm pretty sure in the apocrypha series no one but Chiron knew about his Achilles weakness, so without Chiron the black faction wouldn't know where to aim let alone hit him

[@YamiKaiba]

And if the Black Faction did find out about his weakness it would be nearly impossible to strike him there since he was proven to be the fastest servant due to his legend

[@phantomghost1615]

Can u do hektor

[@ThePrinceofTwilight]

What do you use to make these videos

[@otakudaikun]

winter spider Mainly After Effects.

[@redjirachi1]

So Cronus turned into a horse to have an affair. OK; now we know where Zeus and Poseidon get it from

[@aareez3435]

Sigurd and siegfreid in one or edmond or cleopatra

[@otakudaikun]

Siegfried's is enough to get his own video. I may bundle Sigurd with Brynhildr though.

[@ron2millionare972]

If you do Siegfried, will you bring up the fact his wife Kriemhild was once married to Altera?

[@aareez3435]

OtakuDaiKun thx and great video as always P.S- Can you answer this question What exactly is a TYPE(ultimate one) which was mentioned in Notes? Are they an alien which lives on other planets or the physical manifestation of other planets will like Primate Murder ?

[@otakudaikun]

Ron2Millionare Yes

[@ron2millionare972]

Cool.

[@jonerikson5925]

Achilles x Atalantae is canon, period you can tell he loves her even sacrificing himself to stop her psycho rampage

[@otakudaikun]

I certainly won't deny people their ships.

[@chrisharte4280]

Would a Lore of... Vlad III be a possibility?

[@homunculus7]

Ok but why all the Atalanta fan art. Achilles was in love with Petroclus not Atalanta

[@otakudaikun]

Because artists like to ship.

[@SuperAbdul19]

Just remember to keep Penthesilea away from him in Chaldea.

[@whoyoutenyearsago6771]

Thumbnail kinda sus

[@otakudaikun]

They bros lol.

[@MaverickX578]

First

[@krismarshall3803]

Eh....still ship them and rule34 it XD. If Patroculus ever gets put in FGO....they really need to not just gloss over their "homosexual relationship in legend" since even legends are part of a servants' character and affect them, even if false (see Salieri, Vlad, etc) Make them a thing or at the very least a whole bunch of Ho Hey moments.

[@JuanRodriguez-ox6is]

Yes! They were legit iconic in the ancient world as a couple that even figures like Alexander the great(iskander) viewed them as such.

[@ShiroHimex]

They wouldn't do that. Think of Nero Claudius('s annoying ass).

[@yahyazouine8982]

That tho this was yaoi it not !

[@otakudaikun]

Yahya Zouine Achilles is heavily implied to be gay tho.