Faulhaber's Fabulous Formula (and Bernoulli Numbers) - Numberphile

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@dieago12345
@dieago12345 Жыл бұрын
What an awesome story about John Conway. Clearly a brilliant mathematician but wonderful to know he was an equally brilliant teacher.
@divadus2487
@divadus2487 Жыл бұрын
The story is about Ellen Eischen.
@andrewharrison8436
@andrewharrison8436 Жыл бұрын
Yes, he was. A man who could say "its obvious" and then get you to the point where he is right, it is obvious (now).
@soilnrock1979
@soilnrock1979 Жыл бұрын
John Conway's Game of Life was the only thing that kept me sane during many many many hours of boredom in school.
@opensocietyenjoyer
@opensocietyenjoyer Жыл бұрын
can we stop obsessing over singular persons, please?
@aadeshtikhe2424
@aadeshtikhe2424 5 ай бұрын
I couldn't help but notice how the final equation presented in this video closely aligns with my own research, which revolves around similar concepts of numbers, their powers, and the operations that connect them. I've been working on a paper that delves into these ideas, and I'm excited to share that my formula has even helped me minimize a function on the OEIS sequence A259569.Interestingly, I've found additional connections to the concepts in "The Book of Numbers" by Sir John Conway, specifically on page 54. I believe this discovery has the potential to be a significant game-changer in number theory, as it can generate numerous number sequences and quadratic equations that are pivotal across various mathematical disciplines. Below are links to a few OEIS entries that illustrate these patterns, which span dimensions, topology, and other fields of mathematics:A001117, A000920, A000918, A001117, A000051, A000919 These patterns found in the OEIS represent just a fraction of my discovery. The equation I formulated encompasses far more, and I believe that publishing this research could lead to even more significant findings. More importantly, I have developed a theory suggesting that Pascal's Triangle possesses multiple layers or dimensions, and our current operations are limited to its first layer. My formula provides an opportunity to explore these additional layers, potentially revolutionizing number theory by unveiling deeper structural insights and new mathematical relationships.I've been trying to reach out to Ellen Eischen for feedback, but unfortunately, I haven't received a response yet. I truly believe that this work has the potential to make a huge impact on the mathematical community and beyond. Any guidance or assistance in getting this research published would be greatly appreciated.
@numberphile
@numberphile Ай бұрын
Thanks for posting this
@huleboermannhule44
@huleboermannhule44 Жыл бұрын
I felt like the notation here was sometimes very confusing. It could get through the basics, but I think a seperate video just on the bernoulli numbers would have helped
@kauffmann101
@kauffmann101 Жыл бұрын
Agree. The Bernoulli Coefficients still haven't yet be explained how to derive ?
@viliml2763
@viliml2763 Жыл бұрын
That is called the umbral method and is a very deep and fascinating thing. You can represent relations between elements in a sequence as a polynomial equation.
@SeanTBarrett
@SeanTBarrett Жыл бұрын
Yes, it's ok if you don't explain how/why you can transform powers to superscripts to subscripts, but I feel like the fact that that was what was going on could've been explained a lot more clearly. Call attention to the fact that what you're doing is weird (applying polynomial expansion to subscripts), don't just say "we do this". If you're going to introduce "scare quotes" that are the notation that allows this, mention that they're the notation that allows this, don't just put things in quotes and then don't say what the quotes are for.
@zstanojevic9574
@zstanojevic9574 Жыл бұрын
@@SeanTBarrett Also don't yell as a compensation for not going into the details.
@dodaexploda
@dodaexploda Жыл бұрын
You did better than me. I was lost about 1-2 minutes into this video.
@cczpzrjq5348
@cczpzrjq5348 Жыл бұрын
For anyone who didn't pause to read the journal entries at 1:20, take the time to do so now. Definitely worth it.
@KEKW-lc4xi
@KEKW-lc4xi 11 ай бұрын
It was a struggle to read, wish I hadn't. Seems just kind of weird. Maybe the intention is to show that mathematicians can be goofy and mess around which is a pleasant notion, I guess, but I don't really care about the lore of some professor, I just want to understand how tf to do my assignment.
@Simon-fg8iz
@Simon-fg8iz Жыл бұрын
This uses a very advanced concept that is not at all well explained. Even knowing about umbral calculus, I struggled. The problem is, that most viewers will not catch the subtlety, that these don't behave like exponents at all - otherwise, you could just simply solve for B. Instead, powers are not actually powers, we are abusing notation and using powers to compute indices, so "powers" are actually different numbers (that is, (B^1)^2 is not equal to B^2). It's a very nice piece of math, but I'm afraid most viewers will leave more confused than before, which is not usually happening in Numberphile videos.
@primenumberbuster404
@primenumberbuster404 Жыл бұрын
This was supposed to be a 30 mins video. Bernouli numbers aren't a joke.
@sloppycee
@sloppycee Жыл бұрын
A whole video on Bernoulli numbers seems needed.
@zh84
@zh84 Жыл бұрын
The Bernoulli numbers were also the subject of the first computer program ever written, by Ada, Countess of Lovelace, for Babbage's unbuilt Analytical Engine.
@joegillian314
@joegillian314 7 ай бұрын
Daughter of George Lord Byron.
@johnchessant3012
@johnchessant3012 Жыл бұрын
Great video! The use of the notation "B" as a formal symbol such that its "powers" are the Bernoulli numbers is called "umbral calculus". To me it feels like it shouldn't work but it somehow does. It's such a neat "turn the idea on its head" encapsulation of the more standard way to solve this problem, namely: noticing that (n+1)^k = sum_i [(i+1)^k - i^k] (from i = 0 to n), expanding out (i+1)^k - i^k as powers of i, and thus relating the formula for the sum of (k-1)th powers to the formulas for all the lower sums of powers.
@leif1075
@leif1075 Жыл бұрын
Ut this doesnt negma to exain what bwenoulli numbwrs are so no oneno matter how smart could fully understand this formula just from this vjdep.
@gregd2243
@gregd2243 Жыл бұрын
@@leif1075 you ok, bud?
@SunnyTheGentleFox
@SunnyTheGentleFox Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I was wondering what the equation (B-1)^k = B^k was.
@petervillano3484
@petervillano3484 Жыл бұрын
> when I was a kid I kept a math journal... > when I got to Princeton... Sounds about right
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 Жыл бұрын
I would guess "when I was a kid I kept a math journal" must be the origin story of Fermat.
@FirstLast-gw5mg
@FirstLast-gw5mg Жыл бұрын
I've never seen someone use quotation marks in a formula before.
@quill444
@quill444 Жыл бұрын
_"I've never seen someone use quotation marks in a formula before,"_ he added, with equal parts disdain and enthusiasm. 👀 - j q t -
@nutsnproud6932
@nutsnproud6932 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. Some of it went way over my head I don't understand the meaning of some of the symbols but when Ellen cancelled things out it made sense.
@DusanPavlicek78
@DusanPavlicek78 Жыл бұрын
There's a mistake in the list of the Bernoulli's numbers (7:59), you skipped N=60 and as a result the apparent rule that odd Ns yield B_N == 0 no longer seems to apply. But it's just a typo ;)
@ivarkrabol
@ivarkrabol Жыл бұрын
I feel like this was left unsaid, so I'll try my best to guess: When we say B_k := B^k, and "For k > 1, (B - 1)^k = B^k", we don't actually want to calculate B and raise it to the power k (by using quadratic formula or whatever), but instead we want to express B^k in terms of B^(k - 1), B^(k - 2), ..., B^0, and then replace each occurrence of B^j with B_j. Those B_j can then be calculated in the same way, and we use their values to find B_k = B^k = ... This twisted my brain. Is this right?
@TheReligiousAtheists
@TheReligiousAtheists Жыл бұрын
Yes, that's correct.
@MathsMadeSimple101
@MathsMadeSimple101 Жыл бұрын
That amazing astounding alliteration though.
@pearceburns2787
@pearceburns2787 Жыл бұрын
I can imagine any other professional mathematician saying "This is trivial and left as an exercise for the reader"
@zh84
@zh84 Жыл бұрын
Fermat was an amateur mathematician and he left a famous theorem as an exercise for the reader in his copy of Diophantus. You may have heard of it...
@PotatoMcWhiskey
@PotatoMcWhiskey Жыл бұрын
Always a joy to be early to a Numberphile video!
@ZedaZ80
@ZedaZ80 Жыл бұрын
This is awesome, I have the same stuff in my old notebooks! I manually calculated the formulas up to around the power of 14 before writing a program to generate what I now know are the Bernoulli numbers 😊 I have a notebook somewhere where I filled it up to around the power of 30. I don't do much math anymore, but these occupied years of my life and bring a lot of nostalgia.
@Nikolas_Davis
@Nikolas_Davis Жыл бұрын
I did the same, in my freshman year as a physics student 🙂I don't recall exactly how many powers I worked out manually, but I realized at some point there was a recurrence relation, and then pretty much left it at that. Amazing that quite a lot of people would independently tackle this problem as an exercise, almost like a pastime. Then again, it's not that surprising when you think about it, since this kind of problem crops up in many practical calculations in math and physics.
@nathankane464
@nathankane464 Жыл бұрын
Are we all just going to ignore the 1:25 John Conway leap-frog journal entry? Because that's hilarious.
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 Жыл бұрын
Pausing the video there is both fun and worthwhile.
@meerjt11
@meerjt11 Жыл бұрын
There definitely seems to be some important steps missing from this video half of this is incomprehensible, but the interesting looking subscript on the sigma at 11:07 was enough to keep me entertained
@jcf3996
@jcf3996 Жыл бұрын
I agree and it seems poorly explained as to the importance of this. It may be that the channel has reached a point where more confusing and esoteric subjects have to be explored in order to avoid repetition
@kumomelody8305
@kumomelody8305 Жыл бұрын
A little hard to wrap my head around it, but a great video nonetheless. Will definitely be looking more into this
@StephenBadham
@StephenBadham Жыл бұрын
Yes, I'm not a fan of 'Algebra' explanations. Can get those outside numberphile
@svenviktor1234
@svenviktor1234 Жыл бұрын
Great content! I won a competition for the best mathematical text for gymasium-student in sweden many year ago, writing about precicely this sum. I love that you bring this up. Great problem with many lovely surprises! I can send you my work if you like to see my thoughts as an 18 year old. Funny enough half a life time ago, I am 36 today. Thank you for this!
@PMA_ReginaldBoscoG
@PMA_ReginaldBoscoG Жыл бұрын
Would love to watch your discovery as a video❤
@svenviktor1234
@svenviktor1234 Жыл бұрын
@@PMA_ReginaldBoscoG i might do that!
@joyboricua3721
@joyboricua3721 Жыл бұрын
What a character Mr. Conway was!
@sebastiandierks7919
@sebastiandierks7919 Жыл бұрын
I think a clear explanation why the quotation marks were used would have helped. Cause the algebra worked without them. Generally really liked the video though. Stumbled upon Faulhaber's formula and Bernoulli numbers a couple years back when I looked more mathematically into the 1+2+3+... = -1/12 story. There is a nice blog post of Terry Tao on it.
@tom.prince
@tom.prince Жыл бұрын
The quotation marks are used because "B" does not behave like a number. In this case, at least, the quotation marks are instructing you to expand the expression and then replace the powers of B with the corresponding Bernoulli numbers. The important thing to note is that the Bernoulli numbers don't have the relation between them that they would have if they were actually powers of a single number B.
@robin9740
@robin9740 Жыл бұрын
Funnily enough I was just looking into this like 1 hour ago myself. I got to using a trick where I summed x^-(x-1)^k from x=1 to x=n. Where I expanded the (x-1)^k term on the right side of the =-sign. This yields a binomial factor in front of all the sums of x^i from i=0 to i=k-1, meaning you can use previous summation formulas to find the next one, recursively.
@DolphyWind
@DolphyWind Жыл бұрын
I also worked on this a couple of months ago with a similar thought process. I assumed the formula is a polynomial with degree k+1. Although I remember finding equations that can be solved for coefficents of that polynomial. I am not sure whether they were recursive or not but they included summations and I couldn't find a way to get rid of them.
@divadus2487
@divadus2487 Жыл бұрын
You can also use telescopic sums. And the formulas for smaller ks.
@robin9740
@robin9740 Жыл бұрын
@@divadus2487 That is what this boils down to. You expand (x-1)^k on the right side and take the x^k - (x-1)^k. Sum both sides from x=1 up to x=n and you will be left with n^k on the LHS. The right-handside will require formula for smaller ks, including the k-1 formula. Sorry for explaining it badly.
@robin9740
@robin9740 Жыл бұрын
@@DolphyWind guessing a solution like you did works too. You can even work out some of the first few sums by hand so you can determine the coefficients. You have the advantage that you don't need previous solutions for the next Sk.
@JeffKaylin-ft5cx
@JeffKaylin-ft5cx Жыл бұрын
Back in High School, I was more interested in the coefficients of the formula f(n) for each k. The first coefficient is one over k, the next is one half. I believe the next was one over (n times (n minus 1)). Then lots more... seems like I had about 20. I put this into a Westinghouse competition. In the process, since I was working in floating-point numbers, I made a process to change a decimal into a fraction of small integers.
@luismijangos7844
@luismijangos7844 Жыл бұрын
The only time that I have encounter the Bernoulli numbers is one time. I teach my students how to get the tangent function (Taylor's version) long dividing the Taylor series of sin(x) and cos(x). I got the first 4 terms and normally move on... but one time a student asked me if tan(x) has a compact form, I told them that I didn't know, I proceeded to google it and there they were!!!! Bernoulli numbers appear in the Taylor expansion of tan(x) :D
@awaredeshmukh3202
@awaredeshmukh3202 Жыл бұрын
Taylor's version omg I'll be thinking about that next time I Taylor expand!
@luismijangos7844
@luismijangos7844 Жыл бұрын
@@awaredeshmukh3202 yeahhh!!!!!
@Charliehuangmagic
@Charliehuangmagic Жыл бұрын
I actually proved by myself the solution for k=4 in middle school. Couldn’t remember how I did that but I got a cookie from my math teacher
@user-xi6oy9xi4r
@user-xi6oy9xi4r Жыл бұрын
I like that numberphile is a place where someone can mention their "childhood math's journal" and it doesn't need to be qualified with a joke or self deprecation.
@akswrkzvyuu7jhd
@akswrkzvyuu7jhd Жыл бұрын
This is perfect example of why I consider Numberphile to be the best mathematics channel on KZbin. The problem of summing a power series of integers as been around for thousands of years and has been worked on by mathematicians from all over the world. The only criticism that I would make is that Jakob Bernoulli was responsible for the formula presented. Bernoulli numbers are attributed to him, even though his Japanese contemporary, Seki Takakazu, beat him to publication.
@breathless792
@breathless792 Жыл бұрын
also to understand Bernoulli numbers start by taking (B-1)^k = B^k and expanding out the left hand side of the equation and then subtract B^k from both sides, then for each power of B replace it with the Bernoulli number (B^1 is replaced with B(1), B^2 is replaced with B(2) , B^3 is replaced by B(3) etc) (btw I using B(n) as the nth Bernoulli number) to find them use induction, start with k = 2 and when you subtract B^2 from both sides and done the replacement step, the only variable is B(1) so solve for that to find B(1). next do k = 3, once you subtract B^3 from both sides and replaced the powers with the B(n) function, you have 2 variables: B(2) and B(1), you already know B(1) having already computed it so substitute it in and solve for B(2),. next do k = 4, once you have subtracted B^4 from both sides and done the conversion, you have 3 variables: B(3), B(2) and B(1) you already know B(1) and B(2) so substitute those in and solve for B(3) as so on
@jacksonstarky8288
@jacksonstarky8288 Жыл бұрын
I would love to see a follow-up video about the Bernoulli numbers as they relate to the zeta function... if it can be rendered accessible to us math hobbyists. I love number theory and the big unsolved problems like the Riemann hypothesis, but I haven't taken a formal mathematics course in over 30 years.
@claytonarg5947
@claytonarg5947 Жыл бұрын
I can’t believe I was finally here for the start of a Numberphile!
@MathsMadeSimple101
@MathsMadeSimple101 Жыл бұрын
You were still a couple minutes late. Sorry.
@aceman0000099
@aceman0000099 Жыл бұрын
​@@MathsMadeSimple101you're one to talk 🥩🍇🤠
@martinkunev9911
@martinkunev9911 Жыл бұрын
The notation used is incredibly confusing. From B_k = B^k it would follow that B_{k+1} = B_k * B which is not what is intended. Also, what's with the quotes?
@Nikolas_Davis
@Nikolas_Davis Жыл бұрын
As I understand, this trick of "lowering the exponents into subscripts" is really a shortcut to building and handling a generating function (formal series) for the Bernoulli Numbers, right?
@Tarsonis42
@Tarsonis42 Жыл бұрын
After a long time this is a numberphile video where i did not understand anything anymore after some point in the middle of the video. But the Formula surely has cool name.
@dodokgp
@dodokgp Жыл бұрын
Mathologer's video on Bernoulli numbers is by far the best so far on youtube.
@Kramer-tt32
@Kramer-tt32 Жыл бұрын
When i was in college i remember solving the intial sum using openblas. I created a matrix with certain values and then mldivided, and it spat back coefficients that would equal the sum to N for some power K.
@Android480
@Android480 Жыл бұрын
Obvious next question, what do Bernoulli numbers encode?
@Etudio
@Etudio Жыл бұрын
RIP Conway. What a Man. What a Mind.
@theCDGeffect
@theCDGeffect Жыл бұрын
you can actually define these sums in this video using nested integrals which is a really fun way of solving it
@nikykovalski5869
@nikykovalski5869 Жыл бұрын
Is that the one piece
@nycgus
@nycgus Жыл бұрын
I feel like i'm missing something here. Are they asserting that the sum of (1^2+2^2+...100^2) is 1,015,050? That can't be right. Surely squaring the numbers from 1 to 100 can't be more than 100 squared times 100. (100^2+100^2+...100^2) = 100^3 = 1,000,000 so (1^2+2^2+...3^2) has to be less than 1,000,000. (plugging it into excel confirms that... the sum is 338,350 not 1,015,050. What am I missing?
@DOTvCROSS
@DOTvCROSS Жыл бұрын
I wondering that also. funny enough 1015050/3 =338350 and, the sum of even's squared to 100 - 1015050=338350
@JackieTeutch
@JackieTeutch Жыл бұрын
Look a step back to see that 1^2+2^2+...+100^2 = 1/3 of the computation including the Bernoulli number, which in this case is 1,015,050. Then the sum of squares up to 100 is indeed 1,015,050/3 = 338,350.
@nycgus
@nycgus Жыл бұрын
@@DOTvCROSS Oh - I see - 1,050,050 is the result of "(100+B)^3-B^3". In the formula you multiply that by 1/k (1/3 in this case)
@hrysp
@hrysp Жыл бұрын
8:26 they start with a multiplier if 1/3 but lost track of that. Take that into account and it matches.
@hrysp
@hrysp Жыл бұрын
Oh and now I see all the other replies :)
@mimasweets
@mimasweets Жыл бұрын
Okay your not going to understand but when Ellen wrote "k=2," it was so beautiful I cried. ❤
@harrysvensson2610
@harrysvensson2610 Жыл бұрын
I think you need to elaborate here. Allow us to cry along with you.
@hrithik256
@hrithik256 Жыл бұрын
It's great to find the origins and proofs of math puzzles you've busied yourself with
@gosuf7d762
@gosuf7d762 Жыл бұрын
sum of k^n can be derived from the formula (k + 1) ^n - k^n it seems bernoulli number is a list of precomputated values involved in this derivation.
@MooImABunny
@MooImABunny Жыл бұрын
Using this B object, you can show that the Taylor series of the function f(x) = xe^x/(e^x-1) is the Bernoulli numbers over k!, and this utilizes exp(x*B). Instead of using quotation marks, I'll consider this an operator T from the span of B^k to the real numbers. We know that T[(n+B)^k - B^k] = k * [1^(k-1) + ... + n^(k-1)], k=0,1,2,3,... specifically, T[(1+B)^k - B^k] = k Consider the following: exp(x*(1+B)) = exp(nx + xB) = e^x*exp(xB) T[exp(x(1+B)) - exp(xB)] = T[(e^x - 1)exp(xB)] = (e^x - 1)T[exp(xB)] on the other hand, T[exp(x(1+B)) - exp(xB)] = sum{k=0 to infinity}x^k/k! * T[(1+B)^k - B^k] = sum{k=0 to infinity}x^k * k/k! = sum{k=1 to infinity}x^k /(k-1)! = xe^x putting this together, (e^x - 1)T[exp(xB)] = xe^x T[exp(xB)] = xe^x / (e^x - 1) and since T[exp(xB)] = sum{k=0 to infinity}x^k/k! * T[B^k] = sum{k=0 to infinity}B_k * x^k/k! this gives us a nice Taylor series.
@bomberdan
@bomberdan Жыл бұрын
The Contrabulous Fabtraption of Professor Horatio Hufnagel
Жыл бұрын
@10:47 the first N should be lowercase to match the others.
@PretzelBS
@PretzelBS Жыл бұрын
It seems like the Bernoulli numbers were conceived specifically to have the properties that it has which is really cool
@NousSpeak
@NousSpeak Жыл бұрын
This one went over my head pretty quickly, I have to refresh my knowledge on Bernoulli numbers first.
@Sdp40fguy
@Sdp40fguy Жыл бұрын
well i guess you broke the record of beating the 301 views 💀
@MathFromAlphaToOmega
@MathFromAlphaToOmega Жыл бұрын
Finally, some umbral calculus! There are lots of other weird formulas one can "prove" by replacing powers with subscripts. The Bernoulli numbers are usually defined by x/(e^x-1)=sum B_n/n!*x^n, and then replacing the subscripts with powers, the formula becomes x/(e^x-1)=e^(Bx). Then you can clear denominators to get x=e^((B+1)x)-e^(Bx). For powers of x beyond x^1, the right side must have coefficients that are all 0's. Expanding the right-hand side as a Taylor series again gives x=sum ((B+1)^n-B^n)/n! x^n, so (B+1)^n=B^n for n>1, as in the video.
@leif1075
@leif1075 Жыл бұрын
Umbrella calculus? Sounds shady..why and what is that
@MathFromAlphaToOmega
@MathFromAlphaToOmega Жыл бұрын
@@leif1075 It's umbral calculus, but yes, it comes from the same root as "umbrella" because of the "shady" methods used to prove things. The basic idea is the trick of switching subscripts and exponents. It definitely doesn't always work, but it does give valid results in a surprising number of cases.
@leif1075
@leif1075 Жыл бұрын
Why would anyone create a list of numbers with tbat definition is the key quesruon it seems everyone else is ignoring. Its arbitrary to some extent..why not e^× plus 1or minus 2or anything else..see whar i mean..to tnat extent itnos arbitrary..and hiw was it derivedtobe included in tbis for.ula is not re.otrly addressed here..
@MathFromAlphaToOmega
@MathFromAlphaToOmega Жыл бұрын
@@leif1075 I'm not exactly sure of the original use for them, but they come up often when looking at trig functions, for example. When tan x, cot x, sec x, and csc x are written using complex exponentials, each of them has something like e^(ix)-1 in the denominator. That gives the connection with Bernoulli numbers. The expansion of cot x also leads to Euler's formula for values of the zeta function at even positive integers.
@matze9713
@matze9713 Жыл бұрын
bobber's fabulous formula and the bruli numbers
@deltalima6703
@deltalima6703 Жыл бұрын
We are interested. Do it again WITHOUT skipping details. ;) Pace was just a bit quick on this one, I would have to rewatch a couple of times.
@apburner1
@apburner1 Жыл бұрын
I understood everything right up until 0:01
@Nethershaw
@Nethershaw Жыл бұрын
Did anyone else notice that the definition of the formula is recursive and there was not one mention of recursion through the whole video? Can we go deeper?
@W_B-07-j1f
@W_B-07-j1f Жыл бұрын
Please do a video on why Log base a of b times Log base b of a equals 1? I can understand that they produce reciprocals but why?
@daniellassander
@daniellassander Жыл бұрын
Im pausing at 4:31, what if K is 100? 1^99 + 2^99 + 3^99...+ N^99 and that is supposedly 1/100, something doesnt work out here at all.
@WK-5775
@WK-5775 Жыл бұрын
@daniellassander When pausing, you can't hear the voice which at that very moment is saying "I haven't told you what the B is..."
@nightowl9512
@nightowl9512 Жыл бұрын
I didn't understand the notation here, seems very confusing how a power can be an index and vice-versa.
@xyzbesixdouze
@xyzbesixdouze Жыл бұрын
Is there a known proof that in the Pascal triangle numbers are prime in the second culumn, if and only if all numbers in that line are divisable by that number?
@johnboyer144
@johnboyer144 Жыл бұрын
I don't understand how 3B^2 becomes 3B-sub-2.
@breathless792
@breathless792 Жыл бұрын
using the information in the video I was able to use the Formula to complete the sums of power sequences up the the 6th power: (1/2)N(N+1) (1/6)N(N+1)(2N+1) (1/4)N^2(N+1)^2 (1/30)N(N+1)(2N+1)(3N^2+3N-1) (1/12)N^2(N+1)(2N^3+4N^2+N-1) (1/42)N(N+1)(2N+1)(3N^4+6N^3-3N+1) (as far as I know they can't be factorised any further but I could be wrong)
@lucasdepetris5896
@lucasdepetris5896 Жыл бұрын
there is also a formula using stirling’s numbers
@EneldoSancocho
@EneldoSancocho Жыл бұрын
Before going to university I studied the exact same problem, I never got to the Bernoulli numbers but I got and algorithm to compute a closed formula for each k, even now I really intrigued by the how different the problem is when k is negative
@Alex-ik8pr
@Alex-ik8pr Жыл бұрын
This one has gone over my head! I'm not a mathematician though so I think I can be forgiven! :D
@unvergebeneid
@unvergebeneid Жыл бұрын
I am very confused. If B^1=1/2, how is B^3 not 1/8? And if the B changes between Bernoulli numbers, how can we say we already know that B^1=B_1=1/2?
@WK-5775
@WK-5775 Жыл бұрын
@unvergebeneid Have a look at the Wikipedia articles on Bernoulli numbers and on the umbral calculus.
@unvergebeneid
@unvergebeneid Жыл бұрын
@@WK-5775 sure.... It's just that Numberphile videos used to be self-contained.
@WK-5775
@WK-5775 Жыл бұрын
@@unvergebeneid Are they? For me, they have led in many cases to hours of further reading .... But I agree with you on the point that this umbral calculus remains quite obscure. I found it a great idea to indicate this with the quotes. (Notice that they also act like brackets.... Still, I hope that mathematical formulae with quotes remain exceptions, especially on YT.)
@unvergebeneid
@unvergebeneid Жыл бұрын
@@WK-5775 a video that's self-contained can still encourage further reading. In fact I'd argue that a standalone video is more effective at making you curious than one that is impenetrable without the preparatory coursework.
@MarloTheBlueberry
@MarloTheBlueberry Жыл бұрын
Faulhaber's Fabulous Formula is fantastic!
@rajivjha8066
@rajivjha8066 Жыл бұрын
Small notation issue at 10:32. The first bracket should also have n instead of N
@DonRedmond-jk6hj
@DonRedmond-jk6hj Жыл бұрын
A reference to Pascal would be nice as the method for deriving the was partly due to him.
@DeclanMBrennan
@DeclanMBrennan Жыл бұрын
It seems like there should be some cool animation of Pascal's triangle involving algebra autopilot to generate the Bernoulli Numbers.
@drmathochist06
@drmathochist06 10 ай бұрын
There's an even neater version of FFF that you can write as $$\sum_{k=1}^n k^p = \int_b^{b+n} x^p dx$$ which of course makes sense, since the sum should be approximated by an integral if you fudge the endpoints of integration a bit.
@aachucko
@aachucko Жыл бұрын
Out of all this, I notices that the email server has misspelled Ellen's first name! "ELLLEN EISCHEN" 1:27
@bananatassium7009
@bananatassium7009 Жыл бұрын
i wish i watched this video when i was more awake, because it seems really fascinating with the math
@gachadogeyt7724
@gachadogeyt7724 Жыл бұрын
what's the actual view count on the 301 vid?
@theultimatereductionist7592
@theultimatereductionist7592 Жыл бұрын
So S(0)=N, S(1)=N*(N+1)/2, S(2)= N*(N+1)*(2*N+1)/6, S(3) = (N*(N+1)/2)^2 Do any other S(k) factor? Do infinitely many factor? Do all factor? I mean do their numerators factor over integers.
@jetzeschaafsma1211
@jetzeschaafsma1211 Жыл бұрын
So what happened to the formula then? Because the answer of 1015050 is correct?
@the_eternal_student
@the_eternal_student Жыл бұрын
I have no idea how formulas of this complexity are discovered, but is both depresssing and interesting that someone can discover formulas like this or the cubic and quartic equations which are so complicated, they are impractical. We definitely need to engineer better brains.
@Impatient_Ape
@Impatient_Ape Жыл бұрын
I have never heard "easy/easily" pronounced so strongly as "izzy/izzily" before. I'm aware of lots of American shibboleths, but this is new to me. Where's in the USA is this common?
@TheEternalVortex42
@TheEternalVortex42 Жыл бұрын
To me it sounds a bit in-between /izi/ and /ɪzi/. I'm going to guess it's a midwest thing.
@01binaryboy
@01binaryboy Жыл бұрын
Fantastic..... During my school days I found recurrence formula using integration
@linorum
@linorum Жыл бұрын
"We both agree that re-inventing the wheel is both fun and worthwhile." 1:29
@lorenzodiambra5210
@lorenzodiambra5210 Жыл бұрын
7:53 B_36 🤨🧐🤌❓
@jamesrockybullin5250
@jamesrockybullin5250 Жыл бұрын
I can't watch this video because something's wrong with the audio. The professor's voice is clipping.
@kpopalitfonzelitaclide2147
@kpopalitfonzelitaclide2147 Жыл бұрын
Mathologers video was amazing
@leif1075
@leif1075 Жыл бұрын
HOW exactly did Falhauberir Bernoulli or whoever derive or deduce this formula and WHY??
@patrick.c.nwaoduah8639
@patrick.c.nwaoduah8639 Жыл бұрын
What happened to the 1/3 in the formula. The answer gotten as 1,015,050 must be wrong then. Please reconfirm.
@ResandOuies
@ResandOuies Жыл бұрын
"So little Ellen what do you want to be when you've grown up? *Keeps a secret math journal* "Well..." 😂
@invisibledave
@invisibledave Жыл бұрын
It's the conference room that has light switches built into the back of bookcases again.
@vsm1456
@vsm1456 Жыл бұрын
I don't quite understand what's happening, which is very rare for Numberphile videos...
@karlboud88
@karlboud88 Жыл бұрын
I have a weird question: What is the relation between the numbers 360 and 66? for some reason a right triangle with sides 360 and 66 have a hypothenuse of 366 and I feel like it's very odd. Is it just coincidence?
@mokovec
@mokovec Жыл бұрын
Yes, but since they are all multiples of 6, they appear more related, since the numbers are bigger. If you compare 60, 11 and 61, do you get the same vibe? Two of them are prime already, so one can't reduce further. If you want to be fancy, you can call them Diophantine.
@PhilBagels
@PhilBagels Жыл бұрын
@@mokovec Yes, it's a primitive Pythagorean triple. Not really related to the video (but something I understand better). 11 squared is 121, which is 60+61. Just like 3 squared = 4+5 5 squared = 12+13 7 squared = 24+25 etc. And all of those are Pythagorean triples.
@karlboud88
@karlboud88 Жыл бұрын
@PhilBagels thank you! I knew there was a simple explanation! So it was a coincidence that I happened to check out those numbers XD
@bergpolarbear
@bergpolarbear Жыл бұрын
I know less about Bernoulli numbers now than before watching this and I haven't a clue what the Fabulous Formula is. But, I do love your videos, they can’t all be gems I suppose.
@frankharr9466
@frankharr9466 Жыл бұрын
I think you might need to talk more about these numbers if you could.
@miscovitz
@miscovitz Жыл бұрын
For a second, I thought we were getting -1/12 again and I was going to have a meltdown.
@MooImABunny
@MooImABunny Жыл бұрын
really makes me wonder what other sequences can be encoded in an algebric object like B
@hedger0w
@hedger0w Жыл бұрын
5:08 The formula is covered IN B's!
@OghamTheBold
@OghamTheBold 3 ай бұрын
Near the end I started hearing - _n_ to the _B_ - _n_ to the _B_ - and my eyes went funny
@wesleydeng71
@wesleydeng71 Жыл бұрын
BTW, Johann Faulhaber was a 17th century German mathematician.
@masonwheeler6298
@masonwheeler6298 Жыл бұрын
Love seeing another numberphile video. Ellen is awesome! But not at UO - no bueno. FTD - GO DAWGS
@jaishapaulson5873
@jaishapaulson5873 11 ай бұрын
9:28 You forget to divide the answer by 3
@livedandletdie
@livedandletdie Жыл бұрын
Bernoulli numbers, ah yes, the every other 0 numbers, with total abject chaos for the other half.
@icew0lf98
@icew0lf98 Жыл бұрын
i think the quotation marks weren't neccessary, just replace B with kth root of B_k
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