Battle of the B*stards! - Heygears Ultracraft Reflex Vs RS

[@spqrpraetorian]

While not in the market for a resin printer right now your videos on these makes me think Heygears will be the maker of my next resin printer. I really don't care about the closed system, I am just much more interested in reliability and ease of use.

[@JohnVanderbeck]

Exactly. 3d printing itself isn't my hobby. Its the things I can do WITH them. ESPECIALLY on the Resin side. I just want to be able to print my parts.

[@MattHealey.]

This

[@arquit3d]

I agree as well, the more I see, the more I like it. I just don't understand how they are charging extra for the printer, and also for the resins. Fidelization is achieved by getting the hardware cheap, and the consumables expensive.. weird business strategy, but I'm guessing you are buying reliability and quality overall

[@ronaldbell7429]

@@arquit3d "I just don't understand how they are charging extra for the printer..." You don't understand why someone can make a cheaper printer by cutting corners?

[@arquit3d]

@ronaldbell7429 when you trim the point, you are obviously trimming the context. As an example, do you think the PS5 is so cheap to manufacture? Do you think Nespresso coffee makers are really cutting quality as well? (Apple too does something similar) No to both cases, you purchase the product and spend money later as part of their "almost mandatory" subscription program in the form of subscription to online services, overpriced games or coffee capsules that taste like no others. That's the game. Don't milk your clients for what they will pay on day 0, create a brand they have to rely upon. By selling a $400 printer that can ONLY use their resins, which are literally overpriced (it is what it is), you are selling thousands of machines and tens of thousands of resin bottles they'll need. Sell a $1500 machine, and people will do their best to bypass the OEM resin and your monthly income as business will be $0.

[@jasoncombs3232]

I'm sure Elegoo will release a printer with all the same features as these, but at a fraction of the price. Go go Elegoo!!!

[@FauxHammer]

Hahah, I’d love to see that!

[@jimbrust486]

A couple of concerns over the Heygears closed ecosystem, what happens if Heygears servers are down - zero zip slicing of files, and what happens if Heygrears decides to stop supporting the consumer market - no 'supported' resins as well as no new sliced files for the printer. I've seen what one click auto supports are like in several slicers and while some are better than others most end up placing supports right across details that then destroy that detail. It also seems they prefer to orientate the objects such that the surface we humans are interested in such a way as to cover that surface with supports. I realize that you can use a third party slicer to support models, export as a .STL file and then import that into the Heygears slicer, but that is not the click and print solution that Heygears is selling. Heygears slicer might be better at orientation and supports, but their slicer still appears to pick less than ideal orientations. Seems like a better solution would be to allow other slicers directly. And resins from third parties in a similar fashion as Bamboo does for filaments with their FDM printers.

[@dauntusviews]

You make great videos man. The price is right for these printers, and if people can’t figure out that you can use whatever resin you want with it then they probably shouldn’t be spending their money on it. I grabbed the entire package PRM and all using your code, no regrets. Buy once cry once and print professionally with ease. Also don’t feel like you need to respond to all the comments. It will drive you mad haha. I gave up a long time ago on my Dauntus Gaming channel.

[@ReedCBowman]

If those RS compatible HeyGears resins are curable by other printers, I think it would be valuable for you to do the experiment of seeing what another printer can do with the HeyGears proprietary resin. Are the HeyGears settings obfuscated, or can you see what it uses for its own resins, and transfer those settings to another manufacturer's machine?

[@brentcox6201]

well you know I love my RS, my only complaint is I can't get resin fast enough for it, and because of that I have thrown other resins in there, like sunlu ABS like resin, and have had zero issues

[@SeanMcChannel]

@FauxHammer Ross, I just received my Reflex RS printer. Using non heated resin vat tray at around 23deg C resin and using Hygears PAS10 resin, during my first two test prints the RS makes loud clunking noises as build plate descends towards screen just prior to next layers uv exposure. Sounds like two thuds like stepper motor missing steps. Max force shown is like -244N. This happens for about the first 13 layers when I printed the cones of calibration test exposure prints. After these initial layers this sound disappears. Loud fans sounds continue throughout the print. Do you experience such sounds when starting a print on RS when build plate moves for first few layers? Not when moving up but when moving down just before reaching bottom to expose next layer. Little noise and then two loud thuds / clunking sounds. Unsettling really. My Saturn 4 ultra does not even make such noises with its dumb “auto levelling”… I left question in blueprint studio for Heygears and they say max force is ok to -250N and sound is some magnets engaging or something? I don’t know sounds like crunchy stepper motor missing steps sound to me. I am considering to return this printer as sounds don’t really sound right to me. Sounds like something defective. I have not seen a single video online showing print start and sounds the RS machine makes.

[@abtinbozorg]

Hey Fauxhammer, do you know whether there will be replacement lcd-screens for this device (Reflex RS) in case the screen needs to be replaced? The older Reflex does have replacement lcd screens that you can get from Heygears. Not sure if you even know this, but I thought I'd ask since you know much more about this gadget than me.

[@tony-mora]

Another great video! I was curious at around 2:53 you show the back of the model and it doesn't show any residual support marks, Was there any on there to begin with? Keep up the great work!

[@FauxHammer]

Heya, they are on there. but you an only just see them as the specs under the arms, there are also 2 on teh sword. This is using PAU10 resin. If you use PARP10 or the cheaper version of the same stuff, PAS10. I use that andchange the support settings to "none" so that you don;t get little spheres on the end of supports. And the support marks are nigh on impossible to see. The Puppetsware vehicels I printed using these show the insides which were supported!

[@Moti0nGFX]

Just to be sure, the UltraCraft Reflex RS is yet another new printer with the best of both worlds? do the ressin printers from hey giear not require air extraction? - how they solve this problem? thanks

[@ollie8423]

Hey Ross, im looking at getting the RS but was wondering whether you find the pulsing release module worth the extra £600?

[@Titan3DAZ]

I have never had such an adverse reaction to the proprietary resin system. I have gotten a lot of hate for saying they're good printers... Still wishing Heygears had a "pro" mode and gave us all the settings ;)

[@Grave79]

"Pro" mode is buying another printer. The slicer determines print settings, support settings based on the resin you pick for the project. Everything is contingent on that. Once you try to get around that, all those features go out the window and you just turned it into a $1000 Elegoo. What's the point? I tried 3rd party resin and I found solidified slivers sitting at the bottom of the vat. It's a hacky mess. And when your 3rd party resin company decides to secretly change their formula or HeyGears makes slicer improvements that benefit their resin, you might be screwed. It's not worth it. If you want manual mode, go buy the already existing manual printer.

[@ryanridlen973]

I would recommend avoiding HeyGears personally. I have more issues with the Reflex than any other printer I've owned. It's been down for months and customer service has been unhelpful so far. I'm hoping the Zoom call today fixes it, but I would avoid the brand like the plague based on my experience.

[@dino.hurricane978]

Are Heygear printers resellable? If I were to buy new and resell, or buy one used would the second owner be able to use the printer? Or does their closed ecosystem prevent reselling of the printer?

[@pdqbar]

just a observation. So I noticed when you pour the resin on the top plate its filled with bubbles. It mentions to shake the resin bottle before use ! Doesn't this put bubbles in the resin which may be present when the UV is flashed. Could this introduce small cavities in the surface finish. Could you use a process like degassing when making carbon fiber parts etc. ( eg place the resin in a vacuum to pull the bubbles out ?

[@topkekbieri]

Bubbles in the resin are nothing to be concerned with. They subside fast enough and don't pose ANY problem. If they did, they would also only be present on the first few layers (which is rafts and supports, as you shouldn't usually print anything flat on the build plate anyways) and at that point would lead to your print failing.

[@teabagNBG]

if u compare them to the saturn ultra 4 , how do they compare in speed ? also is the saturn tilt mechanism worth it?

[@Squeaksquatch]

Hey @FauxHammer given the price drops over black Friday, would an RS be a decent improvement over my GKTwo?

[@_Beezul]

I'm really thinking this is my next printer. I'm a concept artist/ sculptor and I spend most of my time designing things I want to print. I hate getting into technical aspects of 3d printing and things tend to not work out the way they should after trial and error. I think the ease of use for this printer with it's first party resin might be perfect for me. ESPECIALLY with the quality of those prints.

[@dasdude]

In your opinion, do you think the features and quality of the RS make up for not having the large print volume of the GK3?

[@FauxHammer]

This is the bit where I’m never too keen to recommend. What matters to you? I personally don’t need a big printer because I don’t print big things. But that doesn’t mean this is a better choice. If you said, I plan to print X, which would you recommend. I could be more accurate, but be aware these are rather locked down too.

[@dasdude]

@@FauxHammer That's absolutely fair. Let me ask this: Since you have documented both printers, accepting that the GK3 was a non-production test unit, do you feel the quality of the prints are in the same range? Or is one better than the other? I do want the larger print volume but at the end of the day if the GK3 has a noticeable dip in quality compared to the RS then I have to make a tough choice.

[@Cid156]

I think the resin price is right. Standard and resistant resins are ~10% more expensive than noname resins (at least in my country). The only downside are the shipping cost and the tax

[@dasdude]

@Fauxhammer I pre-ordered the GK3 with the wash and cure kit because I wanted the bigger print volume. However, my order didn't make the first shipment batch so it won't ship until the 2nd batch sometime late November. I am now on the fence on canceling the pre-order for the GK3 and just buying the HG RS. I know you love the HeyGears (and I really do too) but I really wanted the extra print volume. In your opinion, do you think the features and quality of the RS make up for not having the large print volume of the GK3?

[@theromeog]

thats what I did - I love the RS and I have been using sirayatech and Sunlu abs like with no issues

[@dasdude]

@@theromeog I'm so tempted to cancel and get the RS but I'm worried I'll miss the extra print volume. How do you like the rinse system? The shaking method seems... odd lol. I really like the looks of the GK3 rinse system but that doesn't mean it's better...

[@JohnVanderbeck]

I canceled my GK3 pre-order and went with the smaller Reflex for now. I have a GK2 already. I'll look at the GK3 again once it is actually out.

[@printitpaintit.2436]

If you want less suction just spray a little anti static spray on the bottom of the vat and on the screen and BOOM no suction!

[@ayalde]

I want to buy one, taking advantage of black friday sales... but I don't know if they ship to my country and city (Colombia, Bogota). This makes me wonder what I would have to do if I ever need to buy a spare part or more resin... Does this happen to anyone else?

[@JohnVanderbeck]

The advantage of the gate is supposed to be that the Reflex can more precisely control the resin level, and thus not always just fill the vat, but rather just add enough resin for the print, leaving the rest in the bottle. To me that sounds great, but I haven't tested it yet as I'm still waiting for me order to be shipped. This is what the company told me though: Resin Management: The Reflex RS uses a gravity-fed system to manage the resin filling. It does not have a built-in mechanism to measure the remaining resin in the bottle. The Reflex, on the other hand, features smart resin level control. It maintains a low resin level to ensure effective reflow and can weigh the remaining resin in the bottle, providing more precise resin management.

[@brentcox6201]

I will say the resin fill works great on the RS, I have had no issues with it

[@rancehensley3501]

Have the original Reflex and definitely not upset about the new one (considering I had it only 6 weeks before the RS announcement). Now had it been a MUCH larger build plate, might have been rethinking things.

[@n7angle856]

Hey, just finished the video after your stream. Thanks for opening my eyes to it, I probably wont get them due to a few pet peeves (price, heated vat powering and the buildplate) but now I have a better grasp on it. Thanks!

[@FauxHammer]

Absolutely fantastic that you have chosen not to buy it!!! I am 100% behind your decision

[@macoygunida]

When i hear the word “proprietary” in 3d printers, i run away 😁

[@johntyer2200]

I may have missed it, but does this require its own software? Or can i use slicers like lychee or cura with it?

[@FauxHammer]

No, this uses its own slicer

[@philipgriffiths3106]

Already made my choice but I'm STILL struggling to get the RS set up to use. I just don't have the techno understanding to really be trying to work any of these machines. I can't even really work a pc to deal with files etc. But I keep trying to get a bit more done & hopefully I will sort it before the warranty runs out!!

[@FauxHammer]

What are you trying to print and where are you getting stuck?

[@philipgriffiths3106]

​@FauxHammer so far I've managed to set the language, the WiFi address, put the app on my phone & register the product... or I've done the code things & it is now on my phone. Need to get the pc I bought to use with printer set up next. Awaiting the racking I've bought to sit everything on. Then I need to learn how to buy files, store them on the pc in folders (no idea how to even do that yet!) , then get them over to the printer to print. As I said, in one sense I had no business trying to get into this hobby when my mental restrictions are a massive drawback, but I want to be able to print single figures myself & then paint them. It's the painting I want to do most, the printer is the means to an end & your review on the HeyGears slicer thing, one click printing was the real pull thar made me buy this. Its just going to take me a while to get it sorted & learn how to do stuff most take for granted that folk already know

[@FauxHammer]

@@philipgriffiths3106ok, well as a brief step by step… Set up your PC and install the blueprint desktop client. Then search online for files you like. Depending what you want to print you may want to get presupported files. If not there is some learning to do about orientation. You will typically get your model files in STL format. Just drag them into this slicer. (Blueprint) You will need to do some learning about orientation and you will need to support unsupported files because layers can’t print in mid air. I do have a guide on general printing, in fact I have a whole beginner playlist that walks you through printing on typical printers which this is not. But watching that playlist if all the videos should familiarise yourself with enough if the concepts to get you started. If you do get stuck, hit me up and I can point you in the right direction. But definately do some learning before just trying to print, because it is a messy process and you don’t want to damage an expensive machine

[@philipgriffiths3106]

@FauxHammer I'm so sorry Ross. I didn't get notification of this reply. Thank you so much for taking your time to post this. I've watched nearly all your videos over the last few months. To be honest, I practically binge watched them night & day! If I hadn't seen your video on the RS, dare I say also on Greedy 3d too, I would have bought your previous recommendation of the GKTWO. Literally as I was just about to buy it, you released your video on the RS & it took me 2 weeks to choose between the two printers. So I'll blame you for that bit 🤣. I bought & assembled racking today for a worktop area, set the RS heated vat up after watching their video, still trying to work out if there is actually a film on the glass as well as on both sides of the vat to remove. Set my pc up by the side of the printer, & was going to download blueprint but I was given the wrong cable from the unit to the monitor so hopefully sorting that out by end if weekend at the latest. Really greatful for your support. We have chatted on messenger & I was greatful for your reply on there, though I did send another question regarding wash & cure stations. If I'd gone with the GKTWO, I would have bought the full bundle but the RS bit into my budget & paying the extra for the heated vat on top made their bundle just too over what I could afford. Looked at a sunlu cure & an ultrasonic cleaner on amazon as I want to print bigger single models as opposed to warhammer type size. But also looked at the bigger wash & cure stations by anycubic & elegoo too. So undecided on which way to jump. But used a lot of your other recommendations like the silicone pet mat etc which are arriving in the next few days. Again thank you for taking time to help, I'm just so sorry I didn't see it until today to thank you

[@AntJ91]

you have a $60 resin too? or is it not just the price but the proprietary bottle?

[@FauxHammer]

I do, but theirs was $90 a bottle at launch, I think the Castile stuff was like $250!

[@Sartre_Existentialist]

Maybe im not seeing it right but at 21:05, the test print from the RS looks way better than the more expensive Reflex

[@FauxHammer]

I just hadn’t washed it enough

[@defdaz]

Hopefully he covers the actual cost of these things, the insane cost of the pulsing release module / tank and the hilariously insane prices of their wash & cure devices. We could really do with a Saturn 4 Ultra vs RS video: whether a machine that is 3 times the price, is a closed system, is significantly slower (without the pulsing etc.) is actually worth 3 times the price.

[@FauxHammer]

I never talk about prices in videos. It causes too many complaints. Peoples’s personal finances are just that… personal. So my videos are about you choosing the right printer for you. What you are paying for here is a different thing to a Saturn, it’s less about the printer differences, which are significant, and more about the experience you are being sold with these HeyGears machines. I would genuinely recommend to most people who are considering this directly against a Saturn. It’s most likely that Saturn is gonna be the best pick for you.

[@kevinmoniz5894]

I refinish cabinets as a side trade, I don’t look at the price, if a tool does the job easier, quicker and better then I just see more time saved which means more time to find more jobs which means more $ in my bank account.

[@dacryon3755]

@@kevinmoniz5894 good example. I see it far too often where people will get something lesser/more wasteful because its cheaper. If you dont value your time, or like using a tool/printer as a hobby, then the cheaper machines would likely be better. If you do value your time, or see it as a tool, then the heygears printers are worthwhile. I have recently realized its not the printers I care for, its the parts they put out that can support my other hobbies that I care for. I have moved away from my project printers, and have never been more happy with a call like that before.

[@prokremelskidezolati1426]

@@dacryon3755 3x S4Ultra is 8-9x faster, than the RS lol

[@kevinmoniz5894]

@@prokremelskidezolati1426 faster doesn't mean better, just ask your wife.

[@remotepinecone]

psst yo sup So I was a reading about UV and read that 405 nm is technically NOT UV... So this means everyone is lying about what UV even is if they call it 405mn UV lol. Hay gears says it uses 385 nm resin, Can someone spectrum test the light in this thing and other machines?

[@WhatIFeelLike]

Thanks for the great video, I just went to order the rs with the pulse plate and used your discount code but I didn’t get any applied discounts, I’m curious if I did something wrong or does the discount not apply until I actually buy it?

[@FauxHammer]

I think it has ended. But I’m away at the moment and have g had chance to check codes and edit video descriptions I’m sorry

[@WhatIFeelLike]

@@FauxHammer okay thank you for letting me know

[@TheDentalHobbyist]

Where does the separate power supply for the heated vat plug in on the RS? I can not find the spot, and I cant find any info on it.

[@FauxHammer]

Back right corner. Yoh see that module I show which attaches to the back of the vat. It plugs into that. Just a small round DC connectors like the one for the printer itself.

[@TheDentalHobbyist]

@FauxHammer ok, I'll have to take that off and check again. Thanks for the response!

[@TheDentalHobbyist]

@@FauxHammer found it! You're a life-saver! Thanks, mate!

[@FauxHammer]

@@TheDentalHobbyist happy to help! In reflection I should have shown it in the video. Sorry

[@TheDentalHobbyist]

@@FauxHammer no worries. Once I found it, I was kicking myself for not spotting it on my own. Cheers!

[@bobbyvaughn7136]

Would you like this machine, better than uniformation gk 3 as a better buy?

[@FauxHammer]

They are 2 very different machines. Gk3 is large, this is made to provide a simple user experience and print accuracy, but they lock you into their resins in order to get the most out of them. It really depends what you want more

[@prokremelskidezolati1426]

if you ant to use ANY resin, the RS is immediately a big NO

[@FauxHammer]

@@prokremelskidezolati1426sorry not that’s just not True, Greedy 3D has shown a significant number of resins working in this very well. But it is certainly something that needs to be considered, because yes, as I said, you’re going against the intention and are more locked in.

[@AnonYmous-uk5jv]

Just wish they'd add a tank to the compressor. Ridiculous it doesn't have one for the price.

[@FauxHammer]

I know!!! Raghhhhhh

[@chaley2935]

Okay, by sharpest do you also mean the print quality is superior to the Saturn 4 ultra?

[@FauxHammer]

Yes. By a ridiculously small margin. The difference is more that this is made to ensure that quality. The Saturn it’s more of a best case scenario.

[@chaley2935]

@@FauxHammer ok, can you clarify something for me thou for as I'm a dummy 😞 Do you have to have an internet connection to use all the features and print?

[@awildtomappeared5925]

For the sake of using 3rd party resins it would be good to try and precisely time the exposure time it sets for each of their resins so you can have a list and start in the middle with a 3rd party resin and then go up or down the selection to adjust exposure (Gotta check if they are using different uv intensities between resins too) ALSO if you use a DIY heating system then you can adjust the exposure by the resin heat!!

[@Grave79]

It's not just exposure time. It's also support settings, lift/retract speeds, etc. I mean, if you start a project with a specific resin choice, and then change it, the slicer will delete and recreate all the supports. Then all those print settings are modified on the fly based on how their resin reacts to environmental change. It seems unlikely you'll find an exact match. It's a hack that doesn't always work. I found the quality ends up worse that just using their resin. And I found slivers of hardened resin in the vat so I had to tank clean every time. Seriously people, stop trying to put a square peg in a round hole. There's very little benefit in buying such an expensive machine to use it against the way it's designed. Just buy the printer that does all the manual stuff you want to do.

[@awildtomappeared5925]

​@@Grave79 "Just buy the printer that does all the manual stuff you want to do." The issue is the options there are VERY VERY BAD. The only manual printer that could compete would be something from athena but that will cost even more. the 500-1k price range of printers is very lacking

[@Grave79]

@@awildtomappeared5925 Buy an Elegoo, Anycubic, etc and learn how to use it. The quality improvement of this machine is marginal. The greatest benefits are the ease of use. As someone who has an RS (for now), this is the worst option for what you want to do because the settings are not exposed to the user so not only can you not change them to fit your needs, but you can't even see what would need to be changed in the first place.

[@tonyhill8300]

Which one stinks the house out the most ?

[@FauxHammer]

Depends on the resin.

[@zeihunter1569]

The video I have been waiting for ❤. I got the RS a while back however I am wondering @fauxhammer what makes the Heygears curing station so much better vs others ?

[@FauxHammer]

Ummm. What makes it better….. It’s well built, fully shiny on the inside. Has WiFi and apparently decides the curing time based on the. Like if individual prints. But I’ve never used it. It also has a heater which is better for curing. But I’ve no idea how to use it properly so I’ve never used it. I like it, it’s far more powerful than what I use it for. But would I pay that much for it….. ummm. Don’t think so.

[@zeihunter1569]

@@FauxHammer Which one do you use if you don't mind me asking?

[@kevinmoniz5894]

also wanna know if the screen protector for the reflex will work on the rs cause they only have one type on their site.

[@FauxHammer]

You know. I never considered this and I didn’t use one. But I’ll ask them

[@JohnVanderbeck]

Do people actually use screen protectors? My Gk2 came with a few of them but I never put them on. I figured it they are anything like a phone screen protector then they'd cause the screen to be softer which would affect prints?

[@kevinmoniz5894]

@@JohnVanderbeck good question about the prints but imo if it doesn’t effect the prints then I’d prefer to have that piece of mind with a protector

[@thepaintingphase]

@@kevinmoniz5894yeah same as me, if a letter comes with one. I’d install it, I much prefer a one that is preinstalled and replaceable.

[@kevinmoniz5894]

@@FauxHammer also and maybe I’m wrong because I just ordered mine but I’ve looked and haven’t seen anyone say if it has the feature that some others have where the lcd will do a full screen exposure to help clean the vat from a failed print etc.

[@Lizard008]

"Who'd have though an added inch and a half mattered so much" 😆

[@FauxHammer]

Right!!!!

[@jhaybz29]

thats... grrr... That's what she said :(....

[@FauxHammer]

@@jhaybz29lol

[@OcamRzr]

Seriously Ross... I had to watch the whole video to make sure but not once did you mention the "Phone Home Or I Refuse To Work" slicer/print functionality, (or should I say lack of functionality)? There is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why this should be REQUIRED! Either I own the printer and can print to it when and where I want, (internet be damned!), or I don't own the printer. I think this is more of an issue than the proprietary resin, (you make a very good point that the machine auto compensates for pull forces so I am guessing that takes care of a large source of print failures right there and people are already testing and reporting on success with others resins soo).

[@jasoncombs3232]

Heygears mentioned a fix for this in a new update.

[@FauxHammer]

That’s because they have already said that this requirement is being removed. It was always in the development plan to get rid, and was coming in December. But they’ve now brought it forward to the November update. So by the time the majority of people see this, and most people buying it off the back of it, actually get their printers. I’d be wasting their time talking about a problem that doesn’t exist.

[@Grave79]

Update is live (v 2.2.1)

[@FauxHammer]

@@Grave79 oh wow, Didn't realise it would be November 1st!!!

[@SCULPTURAMA]

I just want Bambu to enter the resin arena now.

[@luisarevalo4645]

Comment so Ross and Reflex on getting more Legos

[@JohnVanderbeck]

I don't think you get to complain about their resin prices when you are selling your own resin for more money than some of theirs :) /s

[@FauxHammer]

On launch it was $90 a bottle minimum. I can whinge at that.

[@JohnVanderbeck]

@@FauxHammer Yeah you can. But even as shown in this video that isn't the case anymore.

[@improbablewargaming]

ya sold me on heygear. now which one. good timing.

[@michawasiljew6620]

Whatever, where is the video about Prusa ?

[@FauxHammer]

Being edited now. Mk4s

[@michawasiljew6620]

@FauxHammer thanks for letting me know, and thanks for your time doing this.

[@AriePutra-r9m]

Godddd

[@samuelcarlson1012]

Yea, I don’t like them essentially locking you into their ecosystem. It just seems like a recipe for a bad user experience. Especially if anything ever happens to the company.

[@FauxHammer]

What limits do you feel you would have if you lost this company having bought a printer rather than say Elegoo or Anycubic?

[@samuelcarlson1012]

@@FauxHammer I don’t like the limits on third-party resins, I understand them machine’s curated with their resins in mind which I can respect, but they take away your ability to tune your machine to other resins even if you want to. And as 3-D printers, we know that the pray and hope method never really works out for us. Also forcing users to use their slicer, even though it currently doesn’t have an off-line mode is also a mistake. Not saying that anything will happen, but if the servers went down, you essentially have a brick with no type of functionality. I feel like a big part of 3-D printing is fine-tuning your experience how you want it as the consumer, but they’re forcing you to do things exactly how they’re telling you to do it with zero say in the matter.

[@Sartre_Existentialist]

​@prokremelskidezolati1426 OMG that's a great point! I was still thinking about the future introduction of new security features that can detect authentic resin and reject print ques until proprietary resin is installed. HP is notorious for things like that in its printers

[@sebkorsnes]

As a person who has driven in the UK, I don’t think they should be advertising “ Vauxhall Accuracy”.

[@FauxHammer]

Lol

[@defdaz]

😆

[@Cowlossal]

Why is this so much better than the GK3?

[@FauxHammer]

Hmmm, better is a very complex term. From a technical perspective as I intended the word. Just generally better tech and a lot more sensors. Doesn’t mean it is better for you. Gk3 is a large machine and print quality is good. But it’s comparatively a basic machine. Do you need a Gk3 ultra? Do you need the size. If not, Would a cheaper GK2 not be better for you? These are made more for the highest quality prints with the littlest effort. So if you want to learn the least about resin printing and pay the massive premium to get a more “just works” approach. Then that is what these are. So it’s often not so much about what is “better” it’s about use case. You need to decide what it is you want a printer for, what you want to print. And from there, choose the one that’s right for you.

[@Paul-mx9yr]

I’ll stick to my GK2 and GK3

[@FauxHammer]

And I’ll 100% stick by your decision. They are amazing printers. And if you like them…. Watch this space…

[@scottmedcalf4475]

I think its interesting that you are claiming that these are the best printers on the market, But you have never compared any of the resin printers that you have reviewed to the printers offered by form labs. A company that many consider to be the industry standard in semi pro resin printing.

[@FauxHammer]

Formlabs aren’t consumer printers. Nor are they printers I can afford. I’d love to review a form 4, but unless they are willing to send me one. It won’t haplen

[@scottmedcalf4475]

@@FauxHammer Thats fair. I own a form3 which was quite expensive new, but I have been very satisfied with its performance. the proprietary resin is ridiculously expensive so I started refilling my cartridges with aftermarket resin, but as the cartridges are keyed to resin type I can only refill with a similar style of resin.

[@FauxHammer]

@@scottmedcalf4475 now that is a hell of a lockdown! I guess at least here you have some control. I had been told that with firm4 they are more open to third party materials… no idea how true that is. I love the 2 prints I’ve had from a form3. I would love to get hands on with SLA, but I wonder why they went MSLA with the 4. Is it better? I’d love to play with one.

[@JohnVanderbeck]

I agonized over this decision all last week, and finally decided to get the original. Now I'm going to watch this video and see if I chose badly :p In the end I decided on the original because I still have a GKTwo if I need a larger build

[@kevinmoniz5894]

Well??

[@JohnVanderbeck]

@@kevinmoniz5894 haha you didn't let me finish the video :p I don't regret my choice. I have a GK2 if I need more space, and other than that I think pretty much everything is better on the original Reflex except maybe that SD expansion which I don't know if that really matters? HeyGears tells me the RS has better thermal management but I have no idea why or how, or how that manifests so I doubt I'd miss it. Overall my decision was based on the fact that the original Reflex just looks better made over all, has better resin management, and can print all their materials. Also the light source is supposed to be better in the Reflex.

[@Grave79]

@@JohnVanderbeck The MicroSD card slot doesn't even work currently. I mean the Android app didn't even work with the RS until about 2 weeks after release and currently doesn't support the heated vat. Everything on the RS feels like flying by the seat of your pants. But I had a bad experience overall, so consider my bias.

[@JohnVanderbeck]

@@Grave79 Yeah I got that impression overall for the RS - sometimes cutting corners just isn't worth it. But then I say that from the comfort of making enough money in my day job to not overly worry about a few hundred dollars so I'm also biased. We're all biased from our positions in life. The main feature of the RS ASIDE from the price seems to be that build volume and speed. Speed is never an issue for me really. I mean 13 hours or 10 hours is still a bloody eternity either way and just becomes irrelevant at that point. The extra build volume is nice but, for me, not at the expense of all the other cut corners.

[@kevinmoniz5894]

@@JohnVanderbeck haha I agree with you, I’m going the rs route just due to $ lol I’ve thought about drilling holes in the rs build plate to help with draining once my warranty expires lol

[@Brodoodle]

We all know the real reason for the higher price on Heygear machines is the spout R&D, must have cost them millions for this tech since no one else can do it evidently 🤣

[@FauxHammer]

I think that money may have also come from their industrial printing arm for dentistry and prosthetics. But I have no honest idea. The tech in these alone versus others warrants the machine price imo

[@Psychoticgamer94]

Stop the beautiful B roll of the resin. Makes me want to drink it. 😂

[@FauxHammer]

Sorry

[@Iskelderon]

Great machines, but the proprietary resins to fleece customers are a deal breaker to me.

[@FauxHammer]

I don’t think they are intended to “fleece” customers as you say. But I support your choice to be against the proprietary approach.” If you feel it is not right for you.

[@prokremelskidezolati1426]

@@FauxHammer it is not right for 90-95% of customers

[@jaym2381]

@@prokremelskidezolati1426 78.3% of all percentage statistics are made up.

[@deadlyapollo]

"and thus, the stratasys of resin printers was born"

[@FauxHammer]

Isn’t Stratasys the stratasys of resin printers?

[@Mario29615]

@@FauxHammer it is... and it sucks

[@FauxHammer]

@@Mario29615forgive my ignorance if industrial printers. But what is the issue with StrataSys?

[@Mario29615]

@@FauxHammer industrial doesn't mean better in this case. For years they have tried to stop the advance with 3d printers attacking the community and small companies for "intellectual property". Lot's of industries have bad opinions with getting ghosted from stratasys customer service. Not to mention you must get rid with exclusive stratasys material for the machine model and when they stop its production, well it's time to get a new one or hacking (something they made illegal) its system, just to avoid programed obsolescence. There are many other industrial options that are better in this case. So I hope heygears makes its printers far away from stratasys way.

[@abaddon7971]

People please stop supporting brands that do this "closed ecosystem" bullshit they don`t deserve it. This is not the path resin printing needs to go HeyGears is NOT the Bambulab of resin printing! Vote with your wallet pls!

[@FauxHammer]

I agree, vote with your wallet. But respectfully. There are people more than happy to pay for what this delivers. So kindly respect their choice too. Please try to remember when I did my first HeyGears video. I said the same as everyone is saying now. And I hit shit for that too from people who were pro this. HeyGears clearly won’t budge. So this is presented as what it is. No more, no less. But yes. Vote with your wallet. Always vote with your wallet. But also, if this is not the way and not the Bambi approach. How do you see them making a “just works” resin machine a different way? That’s a genuine question.

[@abaddon7971]

I'm just worried... if HeyGears do have success with this system other brands will maybe follow them and the whole marked will suffer because everybody is in his own ecosystem. It's like the need of subscription for your heated seats in cars, or tons of adds for already paid streaming services... the greed will never stop

[@FauxHammer]

@@abaddon7971I get that and I’m not a fan of this approach either. But I’ve tried to fight them and they are steadfast in this. So it’s on them what happens now. I can’t see any other brands rushing to this, but I hope it at least encourages better settings from those brands.. But let’s be fair, even now in 2D printers, yes we have proprietary. And as someone who does pro prints, I want the colour accuracy that the branded stuff promises me on my Canon Pixma Pro. But even though this printer exists and has proprietary resin. Doesn’t mean that people can’t still buy cheaper printers and even then get much cheaper third party inks… So even if it does go that way, which I doubt. We’ll find a way. Even now you can easily use a ton of third party resins on the RS and reflex

[@abaddon7971]

Yea true, we'll see

[@MrShaneSunshine]

Just buy the resin you like and a funnel! Eventually someone will make the best replacement resins cheaper! I used an arduino to trick proprietary fdm printers back in the day! I like the vibe of the gk3....is it better than this thing?

[@rocksteady8986]

I almost hate that the industry is getting so simplistic. No need for modifying or tinkering. They're beginning like microwaves. And not that i want to gatekeep what we do, i encourage everyone to have one. It makes me sad in a nostalgic kinda way. But FH is drinking their marketing dept kool-aid hard. Not in a bad way but FH is the laziest hobbiest I've ever come across. But i guess there's a market for plug and play things and he's their target market.

[@jaym2381]

That's lazy thinking. Not all hobbyists want their hobby to be hair shirt. Are speed paint/contrast paint just lazy? If your hobby is 3d printing, have at 'er. It's a legit hobby in itself. Just a tool for me, and paying for better tools to make the job more efficient and produce a quality result is the way to go for me. But if y'all want to strip electrical wire with your teeth and complain about the lazy new generation of sparkies, crack on.

[@FauxHammer]

I mean, putting aside the more insulting part of the comment. Yeah, I guess I am. I want the shortest distance between seeing thing I want to print and having thing I want printed. I don’t think I’m alone in that. Is this the way? For many people, no. And I support that choice. For some people yes, and I support that choice too. We’re having the Bambu argument all over again. If you want, or like, to tinker. Definately buy one of the dozens of other awesome machines out there. The Saturns are great, the M7s are great. The gk2 is great. We are spoiled for choice. But people seem to be treating me like I’m saying this is the only choice!? I’m not, far from it. Hardware wise it is by far the best printer available. That’s just a Fact. But the proprietary resin is a huge “but”. It’s for you to decide what you want and what you are willing to sacrifice to get it. Not me. I’m here to present things. And if I presented an anti HeyGears agenda, then I’m letting down the people who would choose this, I would then, be being biased towards the wants of the masses, rather than fair to the machine as it is presented to us. I call them as I’ve seen them, I’ve tried the anti-resin angle in my first HeyGears video, they aren’t budging, so this is what it is. At some point we have to accept that. I have to trust in a certain level of maturity if my audience that they are adult enough to make their own decisions based in what is presented.

[@rocksteady8986]

@jaym2381 you understand what this process is though correct? The literal creation of an object from resin liquid to a highly detailed solid object you saw on the internet and can make in your living room.. that's an insane process that 20 years ago would've seemed impossible. So while it may just be a tool for some. I don't think it should be lost on us just what it is we're doing. And yes, comparing playing with paints is nothing compared to what these little machines are doing.

[@rocksteady8986]

@@FauxHammer really it's not that I'm opposed to the consumers with similar wants and desires to yours. Really my issue is when you ding other brands for not being a microwave (plug n play) and push a product like this as being superior when yes it aligns with your wants better HOWEVER (and I know it's just my opinion) you should be conveying that it's just different for a different market and the others aren't inferior. I've seen it more than a few times on Reddit (a dangerous place) ppl asking questions about a printer and listing what they need and the options they're looking at and others referring to your videos as reasons to not get it, even though what they were originally looking at would've been more than sufficient. It's starting to feel like you become agitated that you have to lift a finger to make adjustments on other machines and when I read the reviews on other printers, ppl are complaining about very simple hiccups leaving bad reviews on good products for no reason, other than they had to lift a finger. This is a hobby after all. Whether printing is the hobby or a tool for another, a hobby is TINKERING. When we all have Tesla robots that can paint for us then what's left? Lol

[@FauxHammer]

@@rocksteady8986 yeah, I hear you and I’m listening to all of this feedback fairly. I’m sad that you think that the ease of use is what makes this better when it’s the technology making this easier to use which is what makes this better from a technical perspective. The technology in this compared to the next makes this a “better and smarter” machine. But you are right, a faster car painted red with better components that is hand built. Is not a better car for someone who wants to transport their 5 kids around the country. But I surely can’t be responsible for people making bad choices. I try my best to show these for what they are and I have to rely on the viewers to make their own decisions. If I filled every video with, yeah but, every video would be 2 hours long. And this one which to be fair is a more special case would be 4-5 I already did more of this in my reflex review. It was too long and got very few views and I also need to balance that in the effort I put in to making these vids. But no, easier is not better for everyone, but it is for some. It is for me. I can now concentrate on more detailed changes to get better prints, rather than pissing about with settings. I want people to watch my video and make an I firmed decision. But after releasing my review for the RS and my intention to do a follow-up video regarding its limits, got far too much hate for just being straight. I will still do that video, but as HeyGears have now offered to do a live Q&A with me. I’ll do a summary video of the situation after that. But I never wanted to be involved in the drama or politics of printing. I just like to show what printers do, and trust people to make their own decisions. It’s why I hate the term influencer. When in fact, I should promote the least amount of influence than anyone

[@testboga5991]

More of this proprietary crap. 🤢 If I want perfection, I buy the frickin figurines.

[@FauxHammer]

Can I ask. And this is genuine. If you are happy with the current quality of prints. Should we stop making new printers then? What would make you want to upgrade from whatever you currently use

[@georgeyboyhowe1685]

still going on about these printers you on commission

[@FauxHammer]

Yes. I am on comission. That is all I’m on, I’m very clear about this in my videos. Do you have an issue with the content?