FB Mondial 125 UPDATE and BIG PROBLEMS

[@motorsforthemasses]

UPDATE.....Light is a Relay issue....on back order!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@hlotto]

And the neutral light was the neutral switch? Normally is .

[@philippelibreros5609]

well...he did crash the bike

[@Labgorilla]

And this is why Honda and Yamaha have the market cornered.

[@peterlawrence3152]

Might not look as flashy but they cleverly use metal rather than butter.

[@JDMz]

​@@peterlawrence3152even hondas aren't that great. Even they rust.

[@peterlawrence3152]

@@JDMz especially in Scotland with all the winter road salt.

[@jaysoncrichton-stuart9727]

Even after hearing the problems. I'm still very tempted to re-do my CBT and buy this bike! Although I would do some precautionary mods like upgrading the chain / sprocket to begin with, and probably re-locate the main fuse to under the seat as I hear they blow every now and again. Still. Love the looks of this thing.

[@rushiiiop]

I like how the fuel tank looks with that scratch

[@noelsatterley2996]

I hope warranty covers it. I wanted to buy one. But couldn't justify spending all that on a 125. Great looking bike. By the way the cats still in love with the scrambler.

[@bigtoe333333]

I was literally sold on this beautiful bike and was going to order one next week, and although there are people who had no problems, there are enough people reporting problems that I'm staying well clear of this one. Love the looks and good performance too, but just too high a risk of hassles. I'll go Honda CBR125R instead, it's a similar price and performance, sadly nowhere near as good looking, but what use are the looks if I'm always arguing with a dealer?

[@dandy4394]

I went with the cb125r

[@stevo987]

@@dandy4394 do you like it?

[@dandy4394]

@@stevo987Absolutely i reccomend it to you

[@migueldsouza9695]

Great bike! Had ours two years and no problem except the rear brake (which had never worked). Will be bypassing the 75/25 to sort.

[@samsonessinger]

I've had mine for 7 months, i purchased it with a non working rear brake but took it to my local bike mechanic and he completely surpassed the 75-25 system and its been great since. Saying that i have experienced the same problem with the Neutral indicator on the dash, and my chain recently snapped it got so loose! A beautiful bike unfortunately plagued by cheap corner cutting by the Chinese manufacturers. But i still love it.

[@1teem]

It's a shame because this is probably the finest looking 125 on the market by a long shot. I almost bought one but I'm glad I didn't now.

[@alwynfarmer2112]

The little chaps input made the vid for me !

[@Steff320i]

Good video, thank you. I loved the kid at the end clapping his hands.

[@TheSlagwerker]

It's a cool looking bike but unfortunately it's plagued by cheap Chinese build quality issues.

[@motorsforthemasses]

I was impressed by the quality at first but things are starting to show through now, issues that just should not be an issue.

[@ammi6973]

Would you recommend this? As I'm looking at the Mutt Mongrol 125 and this and can't seem to decide

[@arthursuttie424]

Given the price of these bikes relative to the hyosung gt125r it's pretty poor to have so many issues

[@jamesbatten6609]

I sold mine after passing test after doing about 5000 miles needed regular maintenance tightening things and the like but had no issues with it at all. Loved it

[@indonesiaexploreuk5672]

James Batten james is it okay just to put an L sticker like that bike if i drive it with CBT license? Cheers

[@luisfonseca5184]

Hello im portuguese and i have one mondial Just like that and past one year i dont have any problems ....the fall that the bike suffer is the reason for most problems and People most Times speak without knowing what they are talking about... But ive like to see the part when the problems are solved because if they appear In mine then i know how to repair....

[@motorsforthemasses]

Hi, there is an update on the problems coming. The fall may not have helped, but the electric dash problem happened before the fall as did the exhaust problem and the rear brake failure seems common. However the bike is fixed and a new video is coming soon.

[@luisfonseca5184]

@@motorsforthemasses thanks for the answer ...the rear break its maybe the oil level ? The neutral Green Light sometimes fails maybe some sensor that fails because its very sensible

[@motorsforthemasses]

@@luisfonseca5184 The rear brake seems to be an air in the system issue with the combined braking system

[@mandragoreblog]

I have this bike and ZERO problems !

[@motorsforthemasses]

That is great to hear and very encouraging actually. Thank you!

[@onyekaonyia8395]

You might recall a while back I commented on your review of the bike. My wife used to own this bike. She dropped it while stationary and it was deemed a write off. Apparently the fall bent the foot peg which in turn bent the frame on which the foot peg/brake pedal was mounted. Fortunately the insurers paid out and we got her something else. I was subsequently told by the dealer where we bought the bike that the UK distributor of the bike was useless for providing parts for repairs, so we were better off getting an insurance pay out. I would NEVER recommend this bike to an experienced rider talk less of a beginner rider. It’s a perfect example of style over substance.

[@motorsforthemasses]

That is a sad fact. They are better at parts supply now though.

[@peterreid2888]

Well said a second hand at the same price would be much more reliable and Thence twice the fun because you can ride ride ride...

[@2laneblacktop943]

Way to many issues for a new bike, I'd dump it and move on.

[@vsahankrat7176]

Had the same Problem with my brake. It only keeps working if you use the backbrake as much as possible. If you dont use it it catches air. Also had a crash but because of some attachments i made only the shiftlever broke but i build one myself. About shifting : Sometimes the Neutral control light was on but i was in 2nd gear. only happened when i standed still. I got a overvoltagekiller installed so now the dashboard stopped reseting and my front light lives longer.

[@motorsforthemasses]

Ah, seems to be more common than thought then. Thanks for the tip.

[@peterryan7827]

Very interesting video, yes it has put me off , But this video i just found is a couple of years old, have we any good news .about this bike being upgraded,to solve these probs,

[@williamn01]

I was going to buy one of these a few years back when they first came out and was actually looking at the limited edition today .......two minds now 🙁

[@mandragoreblog]

I have this bike and ZERO problems

[@motorsforthemasses]

The bike has only been out just over 1 year

[@williamn01]

Late 2016 I was going to get one from my local dealer . Down to £3000 now special edition aswell

[@jamesbatten6609]

It’s been out over two years and he did crash it and does he maintain it regularly ,I’ve had zero issues with mine after 5000 miles I sold it after having no issues,thought it was a great little bike.😀🇬🇧🏍

[@baconyemegunah]

how did you fix the rear break problem? i have the same issue since i bought my bike.

[@Vechking]

Did all these problems occur after the crash?

[@ronxn6107]

Fellow mondial rider here. I’ve been looking for some pannier bags, does anyone have any recommendations? It’s a bit of a pain because of the exhaust placement. Any ideas? Comment below

[@motorsforthemasses]

There is a guy on the Mondial Facebook page that has them but I'm sure he changed his exhaust for a GPR one. Perhaps join that and post a question. I am sure someone will pop up with a suggestion.

[@NeetBandana]

What was the timeline on this Mark? Did the exhaust bracket fail AFTER the fall? Rear brake will probably be some air in the CBS distribution valve. I think the rear brake light works off a pressure switch on the rear master cylinder so that would explain no rear brake light when rear lever operated too. EM light will also come on if the headlight fails. If it is not the bulb then I would suggest taking the switch apart on the bars and checking the contacts for corrosion or wear. Once again, we don't know if this failure happened after the fall, in which case the switch may have been damaged from impact. Even the most beautiful lady has her faults.... glad to hear she is back in the fold though and look forward to seeing what you come up with!

[@1teem]

These aren't just faults, these are death traps.

[@motorsforthemasses]

Hi, yes, the exhaust did come loose after the fall. The fall was a slow speed spill at a roundabout. So, it could possibly be as a result of that, but did not actually come into contact with anything, so means if it was as a result of that, it would have just been a bump, or jolt that caused it...which is pretty poor. You are right, a pressure switch works the lights on the cylinder. The light issue is being investigated by the dealer and I will update you on that.

[@philliprichardson6778]

Did the clutch noise problem get resolved? I have a brand new Pagani 125 with less than 10 miles covered and have noticed that mine has the same noise!

[@motorsforthemasses]

Hi, I have replied to your email. Cheers.

[@antoniomoreira8372]

@@motorsforthemasses I was wondering the same, was the clutch noise ever sorted?

[@marcosantos9288]

Have the same clutch issue, any update?

[@sanarahman]

Omg. My has the same rear brake issue, no speedometer or milage counter and that awful rattle.

[@holliefuidge-othen8866]

Hey does anyone no where I can get clutch cable from please

[@ducatiboy7776]

Hi mate what was the rear brake issue? Mine has gone aswell so hope you can help 😀

[@Tomschannel97]

Same mines seems to gone after fixing everytime

[@luisfonseca5184]

Probably 90% of motorcycle are made In China or Índia the standards its all that matters and having a bike is no like having a car...it needs mor love😃

[@stephant7475]

Did you ever resolve the clutch chatter. If so what was the issue. As I have the same issue with my Mondial HPS 125.

[@motorsforthemasses]

No, the Piaggio engines do have loud clutch chatter, it's just normal. My Kawasaki ZXR 400 with a new clutch is the same.

[@stephant7475]

Thankyou for the reply.

[@stephant7475]

Could you please tell me what the front and rear wheel bearing size is. Thanks buddy.

[@bertzx9r894]

Problem number 1. That engine and consequently probably the whole wiring system is off the aprilia rs4 125 by the looks of it. My missus has an rs4 125 and its problem after problem.

[@motorsforthemasses]

The engine is the Piaggio engine that is used on the Aprilia RS4, yes. Seems to be a common issue then across the platforms?

[@bertzx9r894]

@@motorsforthemasses it would appear so. I just had toreplace the stator. It runs very hot. Only has 9000 miles on it for a 2013 bike

[@eskertoo]

I saw one today and loved it's looks.So checking it out online.Not good news so far.

[@janhauser285]

Hello.. one question: Is the handlebar on the Mondial just a twisted standard motocycle handlebar or unique shaped one especially for the Mondial? I really like it.

[@motorsforthemasses]

It is designed for that bike. Thicker in the middle, thinner at the grips

[@janhauser285]

ok thank you. Besides the diameter is it also different in form and shape or a standard handlebar twisted down? I cant jugde it by looking at pictures unfortunatly.

[@motorsforthemasses]

@@janhauser285 It is more of a curve round rather than a turn down. See here: i0.wp.com/2wheelfreedom.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/IMG-20171206-WA0040-e1512730036416.jpg?fit=768%2C1024

[@bradleyhoare3229]

Loved the video guys! I have just bought one this week. It’s my 5th time out on it but today the engine cut out on its own. (It was warmed up.revs we’re fine.and electrics all on normal) but no engine just totally shut off. Is this a “normal” issue for these bikes and do you know joe to “fix” them? Thank you x

[@SeanPreusler]

Hi. I unfortunately have no fix for your problem but how has it been? I really want to buy a bike from this brand but I wanna just make sure it wouldn’t break every week. Is it any reliable?

[@alastairsneddon7857]

Interested in the back brake issue, as I have a similar problem. Off to dealer this weekend, but what was the cause?

[@motorsforthemasses]

I will update this once I hear

[@vsahankrat7176]

Had the same brake problems i found out that it just catches air if you dont use it often enough. sounds stupid but since i used the back brake more often it keeps working

[@shiftyshamsk]

@@vsahankrat7176 How crazy is that. LOL!!

[@rhysedwards6719]

I’ve got this bike bought it with a back brake problem and I had to bleed it backwards and now works lovely

[@canturgan]

Falling apart? Reminds me of the old Italian bikes from the 70s.

[@DNomzKy]

Any update on the engine light. My bike starts perfectly, runs but turns off once I try to move bike. Even if I roll it forward on Neutral.

[@motorsforthemasses]

That is an odd one, switching off when rolling. Is there a loose connection?

[@DNomzKy]

@@motorsforthemasses so there’s still electric power but the bike stalls.

[@Birb_of_Judge]

Ok I am happy I went for the Honda CB 125 R

[@gerrityeah3944]

I'm already excited for the new tuning. I'm getting this bike for my B-day! Cool Video

[@_saxxin_5466]

Me too man within a month🍾

[@felixeggert3046]

Make a Video recommending a 125 bike that is worth the money.

[@DeckinZ]

heard there was large batch no rear brake

[@fijiarc2090]

Isn't that front l plate illegal

[@peter58murray]

ive a euro 5 HPS125 with 320 miles on the clock..engine cuts out sometimes as i try to pull away in 1st gear...just cuts instantly as i rotate the throttle its before i even start to release the clutch so not stalling .anyone had this issue ?

[@motorsforthemasses]

Yes, my engine management light is always on, most times it starts, then cuts out if I rev it, turn off, then on again, and it starts and ride perfectly.

[@StijnVandenHende]

Hi Peter, did you find a solution ? Regards, Stijn

[@peter58murray]

@@StijnVandenHende sold bike soon after ...did my full licence and now have a 900 but I'm pretty sure it was a faulty side stand switch

[@Ben24784]

Did you find out what the rattle in the clutch was?

[@motorsforthemasses]

Clutch chatter, every Mondial with that engine seems to do it. We had a Derbi in for service, same engine, that did it too.

[@Ben24784]

Motors for the Masses Thanks for the response 🙂 my brand new UK 2020 125 mondial has just broke two weeks old..the idel revs keep dropping below 2000 and killing the engine 😕

[@antoniomoreira8372]

@@Ben24784 what was the cause?

[@Ben24784]

@@antoniomoreira8372 mine was the oxygen sensor, the mechanic had to speak to a specialist at Mondial and finally diagnosed the oxygen sensor issue which fixed it. However two months ago a car crash into me while on my bike to work and now i am left with life changing injuries, i spent 24 days in hospital and break leg, break both arms, break my shoulder and break my hand and blood clot in my lung, i will never be able to ride again as my arm is very damage and may need amputation in a few weeks. Ride safe

[@antoniomoreira8372]

@@Ben24784 I hope you find yourself well and in good shape! Thanks for the feedback 👍

[@Dodo-lh6nd]

Do you think 2020 model is more reliable? I'm about to buy one...

[@_saxxin_5466]

Hey, did u get one? I’m planning on getting one next month as well

[@arthurconrod9825]

Chinese food is great.

[@DeckinZ]

yeh i didn't have a back break for months either great :) and then an issue with the stand :(

[@motorsforthemasses]

Oh, seems to be a common issue

[@outsidethepyramid]

I really enjoy your vids, they are great! I wonder, what was the cause of the back brake and rear light issues?

[@CiBi1968]

Mark , I think you might have problems keeping Lewis away from the Stang ! 😊 , He will go back to bikes tho' ..... Once a biker . Always a Biker 😊

[@motorsforthemasses]

I said he would most likely return in the future...as for the Mustang...Nope! lol

[@simonwiggin7824]

Can I have one please?!

[@christophheil2102]

Hi guys, i am a 6,3 tall guy. Do i fit a mondial has 125?

[@motorsforthemasses]

Hmm, maybe you will make the bike look small but I guess this is true of many bikes at 6'3. You need to get someone to take a pic of you on it to really know for sure.

[@christophheil2102]

Thx for your comment. You are absolutely wright. I am making bikes look small. But its about the comfort. How tall are you guys? There are not to many Mondials in Germany to check. Maybe i just have to really find someone and test it.

[@motorsforthemasses]

@@christophheil2102 I am 5ft 10& 1/2. Malc is 5ft 11

[@christophheil2102]

Thx guys

[@peterpyke1213]

DID FAULTS APPEAR AFTER THE CRASH ?

[@motorsforthemasses]

EML yes, brakes, no

[@shiftyshamsk]

Doesn't bode well does it. I bough a used Kawasaki 250R Ninja 2008 13k for £1450 and it runs like clockwork. I thrash the tits off it and in 7 months it's never failed me. A 250 twin that revs to 13,000 rpm and will do 90+ flat out with 14 stone on it.

[@peterlawrence3152]

Very pretty bike. Next time go Japanese. Good luck and stay safe.

[@balgairvulpes9972]

Is this bike sold in America? I want one.

[@JDMz]

No it's not.

[@gctdonyre]

Fuel cannister needs a headshield, and exhaust pipe wrapped with exhaust wraps.

[@fijiarc2090]

Wheres the fuel canister?

[@Lee-70ish]

Well this goes to prove to me the small italian bikes are no better than those i came across in the 60s. The only small bike I knew that was really good was the Ducati 250 which could bust the ton and was reliable. Vespa and Lambretta had a terrible reputation vespa for handling and Lambretta for the worst cable operated gear grip in history. Think I'll stick to getting a Honda 125 PCX a bike that looks good but don't work is a scrap in the shed.

[@michaelyounes29]

Shame it's unreliable as it looks brilliant.

[@loreljacq5744]

Thanks for warning. Wouldnt buy any bike anyway that doesnt run in Moto GP. 😎

[@eikeljanuss]

That thing is a death trap

[@strokenumber3]

You are the dealer, aren't you?

[@motorsforthemasses]

Now yes, at that time, no

[@WW2Adinfinitum]

Italian , why do something logically if you can do it arse about face 🤣 looks great but no thanks , I remember my old cg125 , bulletproof, I abused that thing so much I nearly ran her dry of oil, topped up and serviced, off she went . Kick start only and hard to beat 👍

[@Gazgit555]

UNFORTUNATE PROBLEMS??????? INEVITABLE PROBLEMS WOULD BE A BETTER DISCRIPTION

[@peterpyke1213]

RELIABILITY IS NOS 1

[@blkcoupequattro]

Vapor Canister garbage first thing removed..... lol

[@pedropicado954]

In conclusion, shite can look good just the same. 😜

[@Dunkensb]

Get a tzr125

[@jeanpierrefayel5596]

made in china !!!good shit !!!! no expensive !!!cheap!!!big problem !!!!japan cycles only !!!!

[@FrankFurther]

You buy a Chinese bike you get a Chinese bike. Designed in Italy doesn't count for much outside of aesthetics

[@johnsshed995]

at the end of the day its a chinese bike , and these are the sort of things you have to put up with, if Honda built bikes to this standard theyd have been out of buisness in 1960 . sorry to be blunt ,but people say chinese bikes have improved over the years , but this proves that they hav,nt

[@Lhawk2107]

But Honda, and the other japanese bikes, went exactly through this type of thing back in th 50/60´s ask anyone from that age, its call teething problems. Chinese bikes, right now "may" have some problems but with every new model things get better and give it a few years we all will be seeing them as normal every day bikes, One good example are Korean cars ...

[@motorsforthemasses]

Absolutely

[@doriannritter2615]

Give it a few years and motorbikes will not be allowed anymore in "Grosseuropäisches Reich". 😉

[@johnsshed995]

in 1959 honda were racing in the tt , by 1961 the were taking first place , thats just 2 years , i dont see any chinese manufactures racing anywhere , in 10 years they dont even seem to be able to produce a reliable motorcycle that that can surpass 50k miles,,,and yes i have owned chinese bikes one of the first imports over 15 years ago and a more recent one 3 years ago , neather of them lasted past 5k withought a rebuild unlike my 3 hondas which have all passed 50k and still going strong with minimul maintenence , those being a 125 rebel , a110 wave and an msx125 and a 250 dream that did over 100k. , You pay your money and take your chances . but as far as miles per pound sterling the chinese offerings are very poor value , ive yet to see another 15 year old one or one with a decent mileage still on the road , whear as 50 and 60 year old Hondas are a comman sight.

[@peterreid2888]

@@Lhawk2107 YOU really cannot put Honda and these Chinese replicas in the same boat yeah Honda had teething problems but they were inventing.investing developing not making cheap copies just for the money..And some of those bikes still drive, without constant attention or customisation this one ain't going to last another few years.. Don't get me wrong I really like this channel but honest is honest not only is the bike shit. A take on Norton triumph etc a very cheap copy and very dangerous...

[@keyganversfeld6124]

10:46 oh look the person who made these has come to fix it.

[@motorsforthemasses]

Pathetic

[@dadsdo2677]

L plate is illegal

[@audimanuk]

No shit Sherlock ! ........ U sound like a bizzy ?

[@SuperRover600]

Chain issues, remove a link. Or buy a Honda! End off.

[@arthursuttie424]

Oh the Honda built in Malaysia or Thailand lol

[@peterreid2888]

Chinese

[@TOTk1980]

Yes, but no doubt so are most of the products you own, so I don't think it is a relevant argument if that is what you are implying.

[@peterreid2888]

@@TOTk1980 believe me most of the products I own are not Chinese my bike is 25years old and nothing is falling off.. my tools are German or Swiss of course I own Chinese stuff but that is the throw away cheap shit.. So yes that is what I am getting at.. Very presumptuous to think that. And with a relatively new bike all these problems dash exhaust brakes switches....... Not acceptable... Brakes very serious exhaust burning fuel filter no lights. HOW CAN YOU DEFEND THIS..

[@peterreid2888]

So there is doubt..

[@peterreid2888]

And a very relevant argument..

[@peterreid2888]

Because you love it doesn't make it good...

[@timafranco1]

So.... Basically, it's a really pretty bike but it's crap.

[@audimanuk]

Err well .... no point rushing to conclusions ... and err well, taking all things into consideration .................... '' Yep, youre right !''

[@supermotomadness]

It’s a shed