FBC Orlando Follow Up

[@vancejohnson2447]

Thanks Justin, I’m Vance Johnson, former 10yr 3 Super Bowls Denver Bronco. I’ve followed you for years, you’ve been one of my main godly resources as I’ve grown in my ministry. I came out of wokeness about 10yrs ago when I was saved from my sins and addictions, almost dying in my 28day coma. CRT & BLM is the devils way to divide the body, and it’s a lie. God Bless you Man of God

[@jcho0222]

Brother, I am glad God open your eyes! If you need a brother to encourage you, let me know!

[@sarah2.017]

Do you even know what CRT is? (Critical Race Theory)? It is NOT being taught to children, among other things.

[@jcho0222]

@@sarah2.017 CRT is alive and well in our schools and churches. Read between the lines. The devil is in the details.

[@jennilopez1984]

Thank you Vance for your input. I live in CO…Bronco fan of course! Justin had been hugely instrumental in my coming out of WOF movement. I am grateful for his ministry and so happy to hear you are a Believer.

[@bblande]

Vance, as a Browns fan you grieve me. 😂 But, I embrace you as a brother in Christ and praise God for your deliverance!

[@Theranchhouse1]

Justin is NOT smearing or attacking the Church's that are in blatant sin...He is 'responding' to their sin > in a Biblical way ! Thank you 'Justin' for obeying the Lord with a servants heart😇❤

[@JustinPetersMin]

Thank you so much, Talia. Blessings to you.

[@thebattlebetweengoodandevi5790]

Talia .. Amen !

[@dallywilliams6606]

Amen. I thank God for Justin.

[@malachi00000007]

Amen!!!

[@northernlights9637]

Many of them have been blinded by the ruler of the darkness. Times have changed. God has not.

[@rodneyclements6190]

Justin, I'm not the smartest man. I spent 46 years of my life as a false convert thinking I was good to go because I grew up in church. 4 years ago I heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ for the first time after not going to church for 10+ years. I went to the last SBC conference in Nashville as a messenger from my church and was completely ASTONISHED!! Everything I had learned in the last few years as a new creation in Christ was in opposition to what I was hearing and experiencing at the conference. I truly believe that the SBC is compromised by the enemy. It's an out of control woke monster that can only be fixed by a COMPLETE restructure of leadership. Even the conference itself is overkill entertainment and spending. It's not a good stewardship of money to say the least. Worship sessions looked like a secular concert. There was only one song that was a traditional hymn and most people didn't sing because they are used to being sung TO in these "new churches". I don't even recognize the insides of churches here in central Alabama. They look like local bar stages with colored lighting, bands, and fog machines. I truly believe that we are in the very end times and this is the period of the great falling away. Churches are being compromised. Christian institutions are being compromised. Christian schools are being compromised. Christian values are being compromised. IT ALL LEADS BACK TO ONE THING... THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST IS BEING COMPROMISED!!!!! Lord God we need you more than ever!! You are our ONLY hope Father God!!

[@Twiddledup]

I left our church because of the concert stage atmosphere, we have moved to a new city and I’m searching for a new church home, God Bless

[@vickieadams6648]

It's getting very hard to find churches worshipping in spirit and truth. Around my area here I'm hearing of a lot of " ecumenical" co-operation and fellowship. I'm not sure if they're of the same faith or various faiths (different gods). This is setting the stage for the one world religion. All churches started off compromising a little. Now it's a lot. If homosexuals want to come into the church, they need to be repentant.

[@danielbrofford3885]

Amen Rodney. I am so glad you found a good church to go to. I’m praying for you. Please pray for me also.

[@theelizabethan1]

Elimination of background choirs attired in common, uniformly modest-apparel robes, and adopting in-your-face, fronting "praise bands".... Shelving text-rich with historical, music, and lyric-background information enriching Hymnals in favor of elementary phrasing on distance screens......Installing sound systems enabling volume levels that would fail OSHA audits..... Renovating to darkened, night-club atmosphere interiors which prohibit reading one's own printed Bible. All this to "attract the youth?"

[@garythorington9543]

Is there any churches left that use the Gloria Patri and the Doxology plus traditional hymns anymore? Sorry to say I can’t stand the 7-11 choruses. There are some praise songs I like as long it has a melody and supports the Bible. I guess I am too old fashioned. Come Lord Jesus quickly

[@Sindi63084]

Jesus said ' they draw close to me with their lips, but their hearts are far away from me.'

[@diananievesavellanet]

YES, YES , YES!!! This is NOT the body of Christ--in any way! All I can do right now is, one, pray for these individuals. Two, plead with our Lord Jesus Christ, not to believe that all SBC pastors/members as being in agreement with this insanity! JPM don't stop your vital work exposing those who are in apostasy. Please keep sharing, keep exposing, keep uplifting the TRUE WORD OF JESUS! I offer many blessings to you Justin, your loved ones, my brothers and sisters in Christ. 🙏🙏🙏🥰

[@za9393]

amen !!!!!

[@thabongwepe5681]

Proverbs 21:2 KJV: Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts.

[@omarcarrasco1268]

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[@za9393]

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[@paulabranson6530]

I am 58yrs old and was saved about 10 yrs ago from the lesbian lifestyle I Praise the Lord and this is so disheartening. I have been trying to find a good biblical Church and just love listening to Justin Peters G3, Grace To You, Paul Washer, Voddie Bachuam, R.C. Sprouls teaching was who I first started listening to and the Lord saved me.

[@RebeccaJeffersonOAC]

Hey, what state are you in?

[@exvan3571]

Come join us in the confessional Lutheran faith. MO Synod, ELDONA, AALC, WELS.

[@paulabranson6530]

@@RebeccaJeffersonOAC Oklahoma

[@RebeccaJeffersonOAC]

@@paulabranson6530 Check out One 16 Church in Oklahoma City. That might be a good church and is Reformed.

[@kimsteinke713]

Playing the victim to discredit undeniable evidence of browbeating and playing God. Community organizer and writer Terrance Thomas noted, “Accountability feels like an attack when you’re not ready to admit how your behavior harms others.” After getting checked for their fixation on invalidating LGBTQ+ people, pulpit bullied often play the victim. They’ll publicly downplay and minimize their deliberate, repeated and unapologetic disrespect -  like preaching that God has abandoned LGBTQ+ people, or LGBTQ+ people are the Antichrist  -  but then mischaracterize LGBTQ+ people as angry, “in their feelings” or unstable, for declaring enough is enough. They might also portray themselves as righteous crusaders under attack, even after LGBTQ+ people have clarified again and again that critiques of anti-LGBTQ+ religious rhetoric aren’t intended to denounce or generalize all churches or pastors, just a harmful practice. They’ll still turn others against those who speak out, still abuse authority to bully LGBTQ+ folks into hopelessness and worthlessness, and still blame any psychological damage inflicted on their target’s “identity crisis.”

[@flo5102]

I used to go to that church when I first moved to Orlando 1992 how sad and how far it's fallen. But it seems to be the norm I went to Orlando for Easter go to church with my daughter and grandchildren. I literally try not to cry during the service. First the worship service blasting guitars triangles flashing on a screen behind and circles strobe lights nothing was worshiping God. Then the pastor spoke, not one person had a Bible, the pastor read three scriptures that was it. It was all about him not about Christ. He spoke about Paul meeting Christ and writing most of the Bible but he never said how he met Christ he never talked about Paul's experience on the road to Damascus you left the church not learning anything scripturally. He had the perfect opportunity to teach the gospel about what Christ suffered on the cross for our sin we are to turn away from sin how it grieves the Lord what he did for us. He basically spoke about that he rose of the third day and that was our hope no meat in anything he said. It breaks my heart that that's what my daughter is being taught which is basically nothing of scripture. I just said I wasn't crazy about the music there's not much I can say as they don't listen. all I can do is pray and as I did during the service that God would open my daughters heart and she would see something is not right. It's all flesh and what was most disturbing was the woman who walked by with such a low-cut top and hanging out of it, if you can walk around in the church that way you're not being taught properly. Unfortunately these churches are the norm now. If you have a good sound church thank the Lord for it.

[@charlessaylor4945]

I had same experience and left

[@charlessaylor4945]

Watch the entire 2 hour.videp. it's shocking

[@jennifersmith2382]

I'm floored and not surprised all at the same time. I have left an SBC church and now going to an independent baptist church. Thank you for this Justin.

[@sailorflight-deck7052]

@ Jennifer Smith I Left a very Pentacostal church and now have been attending an Independent Baptist Church and the difference is amazing and eye-opening to say the least..I read my Bible in a very different way..no spiritualizing or any other ways that they say God wants for you..now I know its the Cross and Gods Grace -our admitting to our sins and asking for forgiveness and repenting...Glorifying Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ..obedience to God..You are my Sister In Christ Jennifer ..so much Power in Prayer Jennifer and I always pray for Jesus to return soon!..I think we are close..God Bless Jennifer

[@wandalester8624]

Jesus did not start a denomination, man does. Jesus started the Church of the Living God, of which l am a deciple. I was in many foster home, with different denominations. The Holy Spirit brought me out of denominations. God's Word say's if l call you, there is not for man to teach you. I will teach you what you need to know. The world will hate you, but fear not man. Joshua 1:9. Jesus has disciples all over this world.

[@kimsteinke713]

Playing the victim to discredit undeniable evidence of browbeating and playing God. Community organizer and writer Terrance Thomas noted, “Accountability feels like an attack when you’re not ready to admit how your behavior harms others.” After getting checked for their fixation on invalidating LGBTQ+ people, pulpit bullied often play the victim. They’ll publicly downplay and minimize their deliberate, repeated and unapologetic disrespect -  like preaching that God has abandoned LGBTQ+ people, or LGBTQ+ people are the Antichrist  -  but then mischaracterize LGBTQ+ people as angry, “in their feelings” or unstable, for declaring enough is enough. They might also portray themselves as righteous crusaders under attack, even after LGBTQ+ people have clarified again and again that critiques of anti-LGBTQ+ religious rhetoric aren’t intended to denounce or generalize all churches or pastors, just a harmful practice. They’ll still turn others against those who speak out, still abuse authority to bully LGBTQ+ folks into hopelessness and worthlessness, and still blame any psychological damage inflicted on their target’s “identity crisis.”

[@robine1018]

Thank you so much, Justin. This is one of the reasons I love your ministry so much, speaking the biblical truth. Amen.

[@estherlong807]

when I hear of theses things coming into the Church, I am reminded that the falling away of the Church is a sign of the soon coming of the Lord Jesus for His Church..

[@bryguykayaker6000]

My wife and I left the false teachers behind during the past year and moved to a very carefully sought out church that teaches sound doctrine. Thanks to God's grace and the active searching we finally found what we are looking for. It literally feels like being set free. Thank you so much Pastor for your ministry.

[@gmacard5478]

Our family attended an SBC, First Baptist Church in the PNW, and sadly had to leave due to the Hillsong, Steven Furtik, Bethel music week after week. And the head SB seminary in WA state was a guest speaker one Sunday and spoke with a CRT agenda, and said we all needed to repent of our racism. That was our last Sunday. Sadly if the denominations teachers and leaders are tolerating this, it is a slippery slope.

[@vikkiadler1920]

If they teach this apostasy, they are already fallen.

[@SolaGratia.]

The true sheep are being unprotected and even run off in favor of making the goats comfortable in their sin, or even identify as sheep. "Come out of her, My people! Lest you be partakers with her sin and receive her judgments." This is heartbreaking. 😔

[@philipcollins5440]

This is Exciting to hear you Godly Man stand up for what Jesus Christ is teaching. I'm All with you. God Bless you Justin and Family.

[@bonniefox5355]

This is mind blowing, what is happening in our churches, God help us! Justin I thank you and your Pastor friends for standing for the Truth! May God continue to give you wisdom, discernment and strength for this spiritual battle 🙏 ❤

[@taylorself]

I remember the "Coffee" shops of the 70s. I was a Pastor's daughter living in Houston Te xas as A young teen. The Way Inn and the Lost coin being two of them around Allen's Landing. We went from our church on Saturday nights to " witness" to the hippies. I ended up running away from home. We never had any hippies converted but many of our young people ran away from home or left the church to be a part of that culture. We were impressionable young teens who were exposed to wolves. This church is allowing wolves into their midst and calling them sheep. The Shephard will be accountable. The church closed it's doors after going charismatic a few years later and no longer exists.

[@sandigrace2271]

Your story is heartbreaking. Thank you for sharing.

[@darthbigred22]

That was my experience with the softened up approach turned jam session of the 90s. We gotta be less judgmental and "get in the spirit". I never liked DC Talk, Jars of Clay, or any of the other Christian rock. As a teen I felt it was a lame attempt to try to be cool and as I got older I realized it was a chance for a lot of dorks to live out some "rock star" fantasy every sunday. But that's all every youth service was when I was a teen. A clearly closet homosexual or beta male teaching maybe a paragraph from the Bible, some extremely questionable group activities (i remember toothpicks in the mouth with life savers and you have to pass the life saver off down the line...fun if you are next to a girl and you are 13), co ed church camps that could have only been because of very naïve parents or worse ones who just felt that at least their kids partner would be a Christian because obviously fooling around happened, and I couldn't make that connect to any of the Bible I had been taught in the late 80s. This love only approach is what led directly to this and I feel a lot better hearing I wasn't the only one who used to dread going to church because all of that sing-song MTV Unplugged with sissified Jesus felt wrong to a lot of others too.

[@REVNUMANEWBERN]

What you call "Shepherds" >>> ARE

[@zaney1956]

@@darthbigred22 These guys love Jesus as much as you and are spreading Gods word! This 66 year old man listens to them and reach my grandkids through this music with Gods truth!

[@ronlanter6906]

@Taylor Self I fell in with the hippie culture of the 1960's & 70's and bought all of their lies. Since I learned the satanic origins and makeup of Rock & Roll, I have completely removed myself (only with the power of the Holy Spirit) from all things that I once was a slave to and replaced it with all things that glorify God (again, only with the power of the Holy Spirit). I am a completely reborn person more in the image that God desires. Praise Jesus, my Lord and my God!

[@Stef-in-the-Philippines]

Listened to the entire broadcast during a 3-hour drive to a friend's baptism. FBC Orlando is preaching cheap grace. From Dietrich Bonhoeffer "The Cost of Discipleship" Cheap grace is the grace we bestow on ourselves. Cheap grace is the preaching of forgiveness without requiring repentance, baptism without church discipline, Communion without confession…. Cheap grace is grace without discipleship, grace without the cross, grace without Jesus Christ, living and incarnate.

[@shellapoo7380]

Justin, I can't tell you how much I value your videos. This one is especially informative and enlightening. Thank you for your ministry. God bless you.

[@iw9338]

Thank you Justin, appreciate this as it gives me courage to address this at my church. God bless you and thanks again.

[@FloridaGirl-]

@Adam H You couldn’t be further from the truth.

[@FloridaGirl-]

@Adam H I’ve studied and read it through many times for 34 years! My comment stands. 👍

[@petersneddon962]

I live in Scotland and there are many Churches who have capitulated to this madness here also

[@amandaturner8928]

Australia too. In fact everywhere in the western world I think.

[@reneeantaya102]

Justin,you are so special and a good man of God. Our once normal world has gone evil. It is all against God's word. God bless you.

[@BAMAJiPS]

I visited a church in east Tennessee when I first moved here January, 2018. I went to several services and classes for a few weeks. They were debating SBC membership and whether to leave or not back then. My wife and I went back late last year and of all the weeks we could've visited, they brought up and were still debating leaving the SBC almost 4 years later. I don't understand. LEAVE! I don't want my resources contributing to the SBC cesspool. It's not a hard decision in my mind "Come out of her people and be not partakers in her sins..." that's always applied to Roman Catholicism, but its clear as day it applies to all of Babylon. It makes me nauseous that these things still are debated a decade later.

[@Lisa-16]

Thank you Mr. Peter's and your guests for speaking out.

[@garrybelt5458]

Mr. Justin; Garry Belt here, I've been watching your programs for a little while now through U Tube. I enjoy them very much. Thank you and may God continue to bless you. I just watched your (2) hour with first the interview with Pastor Casey and then with Pastor Tom. We are definitely living in the last days. The lord listed (19) different sins in the book of Timothy I believe. I want to be ready for his return. I look forward to future events like this one.

[@nerdyyouthpastor8368]

Thank you, Justin. I am one of those people who is not ready to leave the SBC yet. Clearly, we need to disfellowship FBC Orlando. If we prove unwilling to do so in the next few years, our blood is on our own heads.

[@simply_miki]

Very insightful video. It’s always encouraging to see those who will only be guided by the Word of God and not the culture! I too say Amen!

[@sandrajones9035]

Justin, thank you for this video. I am a SBC Pastor in the Suwannee association. My daughter-in-law's name is on this but I had to comment. There is a meeting with Tommy Green and Gary Townsend this coming Tuesday evening. It will address these issues. I am anxious to hear what Dr. Green has to say about these problems. I pray he does not try to sweep these things under the rug. If this happens, my church will begin to make plans to leave the SBC. I cannot in good conscience remain in a denomination that will allow such practices. My name is Keith Jones and I will stand for the truth no matter what the Florida Baptist Association does. I pray this meeting is a good one but I do not know. Thanks again.

[@williewiner4161]

Thanks Justin, I attend an independent church with no ties to the SBC- we are apart of Village Missions and our pastor and elders are teaching truth and holding to what the Bible outlines we are to be doing and not doing.

[@rebacrow5604]

Justin peters is a truechristian. I love his channel. I have learned a lot about the Bible from his teachings

[@salliechilders5885]

By God’s grace my husband and I were brought to Christ through the Biblical teaching of Pastor Jim Henry in 1983. We were going through a marital separation at the time. My husband and (after our reconciliation!)I traveled to Israel twice with FBCO members, led by Bro Jim. He is such a godly man and we got to know him up close, not just from the pulpit. Bro. Jim’s heart must be breaking that the leadership at FBCO has fallen to this level. I am sickened that Mr. deArmas and Mr. Uth , and especially the SBC for embracing this wokeness . It’s worse than a cancer that has crept in. God bless you Justin for addressing this, and for the courage of your godly guests.

[@salliechilders5885]

PS. Due to a move to another state we left FBCO in 2001. Now, looking back, we saw it coming - especially in the children’s ministry. Sad.

[@lighthouse7i]

…3For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires. 4So they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5But you, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry. - 2 Timothy 4:3-4 Than you for your ministry, Justin!

[@sherryshelton199]

Amen!

[@fullcircle4723]

Great video Justin. People will say that good is evil and evil is good. Its so blatantly obvious through our governments - world-wide.

[@anthonysummer7028]

Thank you Justin for this video !!I've learned so much from these videos .God bless you friend for all you do and your honesty and integrity .thank God there is still honest men preaching the truth in this world it's so rare Justin.god bless.

[@georgettacarvin7593]

Under the false guise of love these people are slipping down the slope of universalism.

[@thepottereden]

In the letter that was read toward the beginning of this video, there was youth and elementary church programs that were talked about. That same thing was happening in our old church. When i raised my concerns to the youth and children’s ministers, i was called a legalist and he questioned my salvation. We never went back. Its so sad.

[@thepottereden]

@@ColonelHoganStalag13 we tried making numerous appointments with the head pastor and youth pastor only to be stood up or delayed time and time again. when we finally stopped the youth pastor in the hallway, thats when he snapped back at us (and me in particular) and we knew that there was no helping them. There was no way to rebuke. There was nothing we could do. We even talked with the head of the worship team, and even though they were kind when talking with us, they made us feel stupid, like we were raising concern for just a slight difference in opinion and difference in worship styles. It was very difficult for us in every sense of the word.

[@freestaterider2657]

I was ordained in a Southern Baptist Church. I left when the SB doctrine went astray. I Pastored at a SB church 8 years until I had some events show the members there would side with the sin/ sinner over the word of God. I left it all. I serve God in my own way I share the Gospel and I will do what is Godly and WILL NOT do what is ungodly. period.

[@violetweston3401]

start a house church in your home, I came out of(church) years ago and then God began to teach me in the ....wolderness, I now going on the streets with an amzing Korean Missianary and his wife in UK

[@whoathatsanicememe3093]

Yes, if you love someone as Christ says for us to love one another, the ONLY loving thing to do is tell them the truth. I'm amazed how much some of the current church runs from that... My husband and daughters aren't born again but I love them enough to try every day to bring them to an understanding of Christ's loving kindness. Please pray for me that one day they will turn to our Lord.

[@john1-29_aka_LHT-LFA]

It is only the Father who draws them to Christ. You can only inform them, bring them the Gospel and also live a godly life. But there will never be a moment, when they will see "oh nooooow we get it". They are slaves to their sinful nature, it is impossible for them to have Faith. I learned this the hard way as well. "but we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness," It is absolute stupidity to them. I know, I was one of them for 30+ years! I was even between life and death, another time also on the floor thinking now I would die. God never entered my mind in any of these cases. It is impossible if the Father does not choose us. "“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. "

[@cheriolo]

Thank you Justin, for your excellent commitment to continue preaching God’s word and all that you do! Praying for you always!

[@devinmiracle7680]

Justin, God bless you for all your work in this discernment ministry. As a pastor at a small Baptist church in small-town Tennessee, it breaks my heart to see folks that claim to be the church absolutely abandon the truth in favor of numbers and popularity. When you mentioned the Southern Baptist seminaries, it is a shame where they have gotten. I have no formal training or education from a seminary perspective, and honestly with what is going on in the Southern Baptist community I’m thankful that I didn’t give them the opportunity to plant seeds of division and dissension in my mind and heart. I’m thankful that higher education isn’t a requirement to preach the Word of God and lead a church by following the Spirit. On a side note, not to be a fanboy or anything, but there are several of our members who love you and your content. I pray you will continue to fight the good fight. Thank you again Justin!

[@judithmargret5972]

People always go on about there are no Biblical churches left. I always say, there are many, they are the small churches who preach the Word, week after week, who mightn't have a big congregation, and are not known, but they are the ones keeping the Gospel pure, passing down the faith as it was given to us, not looking for accolades. Thank you and blessings for remaining faithful.

[@carolgraham7164]

I agree with you Justin, I left my small rural SBC church in northeast Louisiana for open sin (adultery/fornication) living together unmarried, among members several members, long time members where the man was repeatedly called upon to pray our benediction. We spoke to our pastor but it fell dead on the ground, nothing was done and even continued. I was always suspicious as to why he never spoke of sin from the pulpit, I know why now, it's possible that he is not a true born again believer. I took your advice to leave as my conscience and convictions could no longer worship there. My husband has stayed but I must obey God rather than man.

[@sandigrace2271]

My single adult daughter left a church where two of the singles' group leaders were living in open sexual sin with each other. They were literally flaunting it in front of the other singles who were trying to live godly lives. And they were supposed to be leaders. My daughter spoke to the pastors about this and they totally ignored her concerns. The attitude was like, so what? Stop judging. She left, and no one cared until her tithe stopped coming. Then the pastor in charge of finances called her and asked if there was a problem. Man did he get an earful.

[@darthbigred22]

@@sandigrace2271 We had a mega church back home like that...the Pastor commits adultery on his wife with one of the congregation. When it comes out, he preached about forgiveness. He didn't step down and the people didn't leave en masse. They had "good music" you could really "get in the spirit" there afterall. Pathetic

[@christinehunt625]

This Scripturally based, doctrinally clear discussion needs to be heard by the church at large. Excellent discussion. All three of you men approach the subject with the strength of measured, compassionate discernment -- so needed in our world today. Especially appreciate the loving tenacity of Pastor Tom Buck to concisely capture and communicate the deeper truths involved. Thank you, also, Justin, for including the video excerpts referred to *and including them within their context* so we can more clearly understand what is being discussed and why it is problematic. May the Lord continue to protect and provide for you.

[@dianeblack8849]

people don't leave when they can be comfortable with their own sin..these churches worship another jesus..thank you guys for speaking truth

[@lauriesellers6637]

Very good interviews! Thank you Justin! I’m so glad to hear their are still bold pastors...who are willing to count the cost... and are willing to pay the cost....Praise God, and God Bless you all.

[@suzannepeak2327]

Thank-you Justin. Indeed these things need to be said. My husband and I appreciate your ministry and your boldness. May God continue to bless you and sanctify you as you serve Him.

[@encourage87]

Thank you brother Justin for tackling this horrible situation head on. Agree with you and your brother 100%.

[@brianrayburn5892]

I am a member of the church of Christ. We have had this problem our body too. we practice church discipline and those people were dealt with in a biblical manner and they are gone now. interesting though...our congregation has grown since then.

[@paulr7547]

Thanks Justin for dealing with these issues that are infiltrating our churches. It's disturbing to see pastors and church leaders teaching a different gospel which is no gospel at all.

[@gertrudegiesbrecht]

Justin Peters, I love listening to listen to what you bring to light. This is sure needed with how people are going for the worse more and more. People sure are falling away .

[@lindaw2418]

Love you Justin, your my bro in Christ. I will get to meet you in heaven. Thank you for bring to light all this hard stuff. It must be told. We all must be vigilant in keeping leadership accountable. Test the spirits. I have bounced around many churches because of leadership that doesn’t right divide the whole council of God. They lack discernment. How can I sit underneath someone to learn when I know more than them. I prayed for discernment years ago because I knew I could be easily swayed in the wrong direction, the Lord put in my path John MacArthur and I fed off of his tape ministry for years, my husband after 29 years became a Christian. Keep up the good fight!

[@Court-And-Crime-With-Tia]

O wow, I have KZbin channel, and teach people to crochet and busy with a big crochet project for my viewers and when I saw this video I thought what a great way to just sit and crochet under the covers as it's cold here in South Africa and our winter is slowly creeping up. Thanks so much for making such detailed videos sharing really important info and bringing these things to our attention. I just know I'm going to love this video. The timing of this video is perfect for a day like today.

[@colinnjordan]

Hello. I'm British so not familiar with the term crochet. What does it mean? Thanks.

[@ruckanitepreacher5618]

@@colinnjordan Its like nitting with a needle and thread. Except the needle is big and the thread is big! People make sweaters and blankets and baby bibs and pot-holders things with it. An NFL all pro lineman from the 60s and 70s was famous for a variation of crochet-ing called neddle point or cross-stich his name was Rosie Greer! Hope this helps brother. Pastor Mark

[@craignedoff991]

Beautiful top you're wearing in your profile picture. A fine example of crocheting skills. I know people who crochet, and it's very relaxing for them, and also to watch. Stay warm and safe 🙏 ✨

[@Court-And-Crime-With-Tia]

@@craignedoff991 Hi hi, you just made my day. Thank you for such kind words. Yeah I love crocheting just as much as I love Justin's videos.

[@suzannepeak2327]

Oh wow! TiaB, I also often crochet while listening to Justin here on KZbin. I live in south Mississippi so it is warm here...but I have a new grandbaby due this winter so I will be making things for him (or her) as I continue to listen to Justin's teaching and his interviews.

[@claudep1464]

Thank you guys ! This issue is so important! I was saved in a Baptist Church in Canada and although I don't think it's part of SBC this isn't exclusive to that body . Honestly it breaks my heart to think of all the people searching for truth and walk away without it because these men make Christ so weak that He no longer has the power or the desire to change a sinners heart !!!

[@Savedbygrace22]

This was long and I did listen in chunks but by no means am sorry for the length. Justin this was truly sad but excellently done. These two pastors are to be lifted up in prayer for protection and God’s continued grace on their ministries. I’m confident He is pleased with their obedience to proclaim His truth and He is glorified in that. You as well my brother. God will call His elect out of these places. He called me after 31 years of unbelief. I’m grateful for his patience to bring me to faith but I admit I pray often “Come Lord Jesus”. Praying for you🙏✝️

[@WilliamT-RCC]

I had a former youth pastor leave our SB church around 15 years ago, and he very much didn’t want to be associated with the SBC , and that was back then! I was oblivious to the happening. Needless to say I left last year. Thank you Justin!

[@wanda520]

The evil one is roaming around seeking to destroy. He has the secular society ensnared so the next victim is the church. This isn’t surprising. Thanks for the video.

[@ronlanter6906]

Wanda, this has been going on since the beginning of time. A book you might be interested in reading is: *The Downgrade Controversy* by Charles H. Spurgeon

[@kimberleewinchester4807]

I am so grieved to hear about all of this being presented. My heart breaks for the church and the lost that are going to hell in these churches. When discussing why people are not leaving this church in droves this song by Keith Green.. Asleep in the Light keeps coming to my mind . Thank you so much for having this information. Praying! Thank you for taking this stand for Jesus and the true Gospel!

[@REVNUMANEWBERN]

It was NEVER a "church" to start with, it was and is a FOCUS GROUP, it gives it's CUSTOMERS what they want !

[@Armygirl4Christ]

Hold on to the rails, this is the top of the iceberg.

[@arthapeterson5239]

Don't worry, they're not going to Hell.

[@garywhite6900]

Thank you Brother, blessed to be a part of the real church!

[@sledawgpilot]

My wife worked in the office of a church and she was seeing the sermons the pastor was doing were plagiarized from other pastor’s sermons. In one case he just changed a story about “his” kids by changing the type of candy in the original story. She confronted him and he couldn’t deny it so he said he’d try to do it “less”. Other people she shared it with didn’t think it was a big deal. A plagiarist is a liar and a thief. There’s a pretty famous politician right now who’s political career was derailed by plagiarism back in the 80s but since he’s in power now I guess it doesn’t matter anymore to folks.

[@jessicamyler2385]

It’s amazing to me that all these men of God KNOW that at some point or many points they will be tested and yet here is the biggest test of their lives, to stay true to the Gospel and it’s so disturbing to see them all failing. Thank you Justin! You’re work means so much right now especially for me as a new believer…I want to do this RIGHT ❤️

[@darthbigred22]

The test was back in the 90s when church service went from an actual sermon to a jam session.

[@claudep1464]

If you're trying to do it right , you're in the right place . The internet is full of false doctrine and it's hard for new Christians to sort out the good from the bad . Please , study your Bible and continue to follow faithful , godly men like Justin . And if I could suggest reading John MacArthur and Voddie Baucham . Sean from Revealing Truth channel , Ray Comfort's Living Water , Mike Winger and ReformedWiki2 are great also great channels for discernment ! God bless and welcome to the family !

[@debrabertelli5076]

Those men are servants of satan.

[@howardcarver1415]

Bravo Justin for standing up to the Gospel of Jesus Christ over this issue. I say this as a former homosexual who has been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb. My life was one of bondage to sex and drugs before totally surrendering all to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. I thank God everyday for His grace and mercy in setting me free from sin and death.

[@suefarrell6393]

Our church started promoting Ruck Warren's teachings and hosted Beth Moore each year for their Women's Celebration conferences. Then the pastor stood before the congregation and basically accused everyone of being racist at heart. Last time I went there. South Africa.

[@markwilliams259]

Thank you Justin for everything you do to expose people(s) that go contrary to the Word of God

[@mariemeadows2731]

A professor at Northwestern College told us in 1978 that the church is only 20 years behind the secular culture. Those words resonated, that we could so easily be influenced when we should be salt and light.

[@josephscottadams39]

Could there be hope in the SBC with Tom Ascol and Voddie Bauchum running for the leadership positions this year for the SBC?

[@REVNUMANEWBERN]

NO, because the seeds of destruction were sown IN the organization MANY years ago

[@thebattlebetweengoodandevi5790]

Joseph ...the bottom line is no man can be the peacemaker for the Baptist Church ! We must realize the Church is not built on man but Jesus Christ! His Gospel alone and not a building

[@kerrylawson7515]

You think they'll win? In California?

[@Ahuntrgw2013]

Thank you for sharing this, Dr. / Pastor Peters. I now know where NOT TO go without having to spend time there.

[@REVNUMANEWBERN]

AMEN >> 1:41:13 This Pastor GET'S IT, he understands WHAT is going on !

[@katiesmith5149]

Tom Buck doesn’t mince words. He will definitely call sin for what it is.

[@valeriemckenna1]

Hello Justin hope you’re doing well yourself. I was called a hypocrite for speaking out against this sin. Oh well! I hope you have a blessed day

[@valeriemckenna1]

@💓A.M I’m glad to do so

[@67L48]

It's a twisting of the word hypocrite. Calling out sin doesn't mean that I'm sinless. That I sin doesn't make me a hypocrite when I say that sinning is wrong. What makes me a hypocrite is when I say your sin is sin but my sin is not -- if I called out homosexual lifestyle as sinful and then went back home to my live-in girlfriend, then I'm a hypocrite; if I called out homosexual lifestyle as sinful and then went back home, cussed like a sailor when I stubbed my toe, and repented for my sin, then I'm not a hypocrite. The key is unrepentent sin. We have intentionally convoluted the word "hypocrite" as some sort of defense against Biblical judgement.

[@JohnDoe-ie1fe]

@@67L48 You can believe your idea of what a Hypocrite is,,,, But you are wrong and Judgement day will prove that to you, No doubt about.it !!!!

[@67L48]

@@JohnDoe-ie1fe I'm curious to learn more. Please let me know more about what I might learn on judgement day that would contradict my explanation of hypocrisy.

[@jerrypotter4137]

valerie mckenna: blessed are those who are persecuted for my name sake. It happens to me all the time, but that's a good thing as long as you are speaking the truth. It doesn't hurt to smile.

[@carolberubee]

Finally, someone who understands the difference between temptation and desire. Tom explains it correctly: temptation is the external stimuli; desire is the internal nature. I've been shot down by Christians many times when explaining this in the context of same sex attraction.

[@Mary_Kraensel]

Good evening, sis 🤗 I always appreciate your wisdom in the comments and chats. The Lord graciously saved me about 5 years ago, but there's still so much I don't know but keep on growing in my walk with God. Thank you so much for providing clarity and understanding in these matters. I'm so glad we're sisters - and I mean that. 😘

[@carolberubee]

@@Mary_Kraensel I'm glad we're sisters, too! I hope you're doing well.

[@ronlanter6906]

I appreciate you pointing that out sister, it's very helpful.

[@glennmchenry6198]

New people finding a Church - come as you are, but not stay as you are.

[@dianefarrell2343]

I'm glad I can still view for Free!! I appreciate the LORDS Ministry through you

[@gogos869]

I stopped going to FBO in about 2012, after Pastor Uth started quoting from the "Message" Bible. (I was going to leave anyway, because I was, and still am, a reformed Presbyterian) But, him reading from the Message Bible just sped things up! I think I walked out at that point! The "Life groups" were a waste of time!

[@taylorself]

My father has recently become very insistent about the "Message" (I do not feel comfortable calling it the Bible. He is a former Charismatic preacher/ pastor/ evangelist and we differ greatly on our Theology and have had several conversations about this book. It disturbed me greatly when he pointed out that it let him read "scripture" and not feel guilty or convicted and he could just relax and not think about anything serious. I was horrified to hear this from him even though we belive so differently. I told him that the purpose of God's Word is to correct and convict us of our sins and instruct us. We should want to be lead to serious thinking as we study his word. He kept insisting I should give The Message a chance. I tried finally to end the conversation as respectfully as possible because this is my father. It has continued to bother me after I returned home. I just had my birthday a week later and he sent me The Message for my birthday, it's a bound copy with my name on the cover knowing how I feel about it he chose to do that.

[@wlknonsonshine]

@@taylorself now there is one even worse, which is The Passion...which I do not call a translation.

[@angelvelez463]

I went to a confrence in FBO called YPS. It was a two day confrence and this was just two weeks ago and the conference was terrible! No proper bible interpretations, all fun, loud music, and it grieved my heart because this was a confrence for youth ministers and every time something heretical or biblically inaccurate was said more than half the people cheered at it. It was hard to be there and it was a terrible experience. Especially as my first ever confrence.

[@stockinettestitch]

When you know, you know. You must’ve felt so lonely there.

[@ellestephens3147]

Thank you once again for exposing everything that I've been struggling with for years now at First Orlando. It was so nice to hear that this Pastor met with David and Danny. And it just reaffirms my decision. I haven't been back since this happened and I haven't heard from any of my friends there. Which is fine. It was time to get out and I no longer have anything in common with any of them. Praise the Lord for His love and protection, thank you Justin!

[@REVNUMANEWBERN]

AMEN >> 1:25:34 "what we're dealing with at this point is not just a lack of discernment this is more than that this is spiritual malpractice in the pulpit it is spiritual malpractice"

[@rainaldihomeservices9042]

Thank you Justine and your friend Pastor for bringing it to light so we all Christians are aware. And on guard!! Please don't stop doing your Work!

[@brojstew0831]

I was told by a leader in the SBC, while discussing the plagiarism issue with the SBC president, "The standards for education are higher than the standard for the pulpit when it comes to plagiarism." My response was "You just proved the standards have been lowered for preaching in the SBC, for there is no higher honor than to preach the Word of God."

[@nerinaburger7351]

Thank you sincerely for the posting of these 2 conversations, which also highlight your stance on biblical truth. We are blessed to receive teaching which honors our Lord and God and the infallible Word of God. These things are now on a global scale, to a lesser or higher degree depending on where one lives, but it is nevertheless present in some shape or form everywhere. And truth must be spoken! We thank God for your ministry and pray His blessing on you all the days of your life. Greetings from Cape Town, South Africa

[@davidwilliams8405]

That is absolutely incredible (in a very bad way)! "Happy to be able to serve and be baptized into a church without us having to change our (lgbtq...wxyz & sometimes y) lifestyles." I may have missed some of the quote, but it is absolutely HORRENDOUS that a SBC church will permit such sexual immorality, if not actually promoting it! This is definitely the "great falling away" the Apostle Paul was telling Timothy about in his second epistle to him.

[@keithivey7966]

Justin it is called A STRONG DELUSION that is in our midst already ..

[@Weissguys6]

Justin this was helpful. Thank you for your humble, gentle leadership in the things of our Lord and Savior. Peace and Grace to you and Cathy.

[@JustinPetersMin]

Thank you so much, Karen. Blessings to you.

[@Michelle-pc4wp]

I had been trying to find a church here in LV for a while now. I thought I may have found one at Hope Church but I was still in the fence for some reason. The Pastor is Vance Pittman head of NAMB now. Now I know why the Holy Spirit kept me from calling it a place for me to worship. Thank you JP

[@matthayes3679]

Appreciate your service and dedication to The Word

[@debbiederbas4630]

It's called sin! So sad no repentance and leading people astray, shame on those pastor's!

[@yolandavelez9991]

I’m am very great full for you Justin and your guest that in my opinion are doing the right thing . Thank you

[@nobuckle40]

This was a very sobering video to watch. I am deeply saddened by what is happening in the church today. Speaking the truth in love can be hard but it must be done. May the Lord give us boldness to stand for truth - his truth. May he open our mouths to speak the truth to all that he leads us to meet, homosexual or otherwise. Let us deny ourselves and take up the cross of Christ.

[@augsburgbiblechannel9246]

If this church cannot be disciplined by whatever mechanisms are in the SBC I fear for the whole denomination.

[@lisashaw8]

Great examples and analogies. Time for these sound biblical churches to remove themselves from the lost SBC. A big split happened in the Presbyterian church, PCA and USA; sounds very similar in the big picture of apostasies.

[@savedbygrace7999]

The apostasy is real, it's here, and it is leading down the broad path to destruction.

[@Locomedic1]

Great video Justin. Wow..i thought I had seen it all when I saw the Cirque de Solei type services being done at NAR facilities! 😳

[@Ephods]

I’m stupefied from how the gate is narrowing, far more in this last year. LORD GOD is definitely dividing the sheep from the goats!

[@stevesawatsky6480]

Thanks Justin for having your guest bring clarity to the subject of CRT / social justice with it's socail Gospel. This is of great concern as Churches everywhere are falling and filled with false teachings and no doctrine. "know doctrine -- "know division", "no doctrine -- no division". Please keep us informed.

[@caroliner2029]

Justin, I am so grateful to the Lord for this video and the important discussions in it. For a few months I've been asking the Lord to show me His heart and mind from the Scriptures about my situation: my Narcissist mother who claimed to be a Christian and went to evangelical churches for years (this was part of her facade) molested me her own daughter, and while married to my father, demonstrated her lesbian/paedophile true nature. I'd learned to dissociate to survive, and had blocked it out until recently. She was entitled and unrepentant until the day she died. My father lives in a state of wilful blindness, despite claims of being a Christian too. He exhibits no discernment, and little evidence of the Holy Spirit counseling him ever. He recently said to me about my mother (who died of cancer 10 years ago) "when I met your mother, she was filled with the Holy Spirit", explaining why he was attracted to her. No way. She manipulated him and seduced him, using her good looks to bait the trap. Once they were married she devalued him, and revealed herself to be a power/attention addicted screaming monster, an ever bubbling cauldron of antagonism, envy and vitriol behind closed doors. He was more doormat/scapegoat than husband. I didn't challenge him, but sought the Lord's counsel for how to deal with it. It was the final straw of BS and gaslighting in a dysfunctional family. I don't think he'd recognise the Holy Spirit if He drove over him with a truck. My father worships the myth of having the perfect family, and won't look at evidence that doesn't support the narrative. I consider this idolatry, especially because my brother and I were sacrificed on its altar. A Narcissist is a cult leader, even in a family. It's the same dynamic, where slavish devotion is expected, and no dissenting opinion will be tolerated. I don't have anyone except the Lord to talk it over with, so I very much appreciate your videos unpacking points of truth, and hearing you and your guests discussing what is true and what isn't. Certain points you made resonated with me, and I've taken notes to help argue my case for the truth when I next meet with my father. I don't expect that he'll listen to me, but I've been carrying a burden that was never mine to bear, and as we see signs of the end times all around us, holding fast to and speaking truth is imperative. I feel like I'll be able to keep my composure and self-control armed with these incontrovertible Scriptures which empower us to discern who is a true believer and who is the wolf in sheep's clothing....like my Narcissist mother. I'm going to play the part of the video to my father where you say "there's no such thing as a child molester Christian". You've brought the Lord's comfort to me here in Melbourne Australia, and I want to thank you, and pray that the Lord will bless and strengthen you, your family, and your guests.

[@byronwooten5092]

While living in Orlando in 2013 and 2014 I attended 1st Baptist Orlando. It is heartbreaking to see Dr Uth preaching this heresy today.

[@stephaniekinsey6579]

Thank You Justin, I appreciate your ministry and Praise God Always for your ministry. I have followed your ministry for years. You have helped me to understand what I was taught in " a charismatic church" was so wrong and dangerous. Praise God and may the Lord of all Creation continue to Bless you.

[@augsburgbiblechannel9246]

I appreciate J Peters. On the Baptism issue, Baptists don't really understand it. They just make the person being baptized the hero of baptism in my observation.

[@charlieshammer6129]

I was born into the SBC, my father was a SBC pastor for 40 years. I found God's grace in a SBC body of believers. By the grace of God I grew up with a solid church body. I can remember going to several promise keepers conferences. About 95 or 96 I went to a conference in So. cal. it was CRT before it was a thing. I told my dad that promise keepers would die because Truth would not tolerate a lie. 20 years latter the lie is claiming millions. Thank you Justin for your hard work and dedication.

[@donclanton701]

Hey hey hammer, I live in socali, went to all the PK events. Had alot of fun with the bros I went with, but eventually saw it was purely ecumenical. I think the big CRT Outing was a the LA Coliseum, a couple of liberation ' pastors' went off on white brethren accepting their black brethren for racial healing and unity.. that was the flavor of the day. Even the rock star pastor speakers, we're shallow. Learned behind the scenes,the PK founders we're trying to bring on roman Catholics, Mormons and more. Glad it failed. It was very charismatic, also.NOT SLANDER! I was there paying attention. Anyway, see you in the Kingdom, hammer!

[@charlieshammer6129]

@@donclanton701 Nice to meet you Don, unfortunately the PK leaders killed a movement that could have had a profound impact on the Church and families. See you there brother!

[@johnnieshepherd954]

Hello Justin, let me say I love watching your videos. I want to tell you a little bit about myself, I have in the past identified as a transgender homosexual I felt grieved over living that lifestyle and committed myself to Jesus and I no longer identify in that ungodly way. I firmly believe God has forgiven me and I am trying to live a godly life. Please keep trying to reach people that are still living in that sin. I'm sure you don't mean to come across as someone who has no heart for transgendered people but at times I felt as though you don't. I believe if one chooses to trust in God and repent it doesn't matter what your past sin was if you turn away from that God will forgive you and welcome you into the family. Thank you for your videos.

[@ronlanter6906]

I pray that you find a truly biblical church, one that is Christ-centered, Bible teaching, and Gospel preaching. There are so few nowadays that are truly reformed but I hope you find o solid church of the reformed faith.

[@johnnieshepherd954]

@@ronlanter6906 I haven’t found one here. I’m living in the mountains of West Virginia with my son and only churches near by are Pentecostal Holliness . I watch MacArthur and Justin and shepherds chapel daily.

[@marisajackson3159]

Johnnie Shepherd, this is my first time on this channel. I want to thank you for sharing some of your story. Up until recently, I identified as transgender too. I had lived that lifestyle, even had a surgery, for 5 years. I thank God I received Christ a few months ago. It is truly "amazing grace" how someone like me could be saved and completely transformed (romans 12:2). I've been telling people my story and about Jesus, even my former coworkers. In fact, I lost my job of 4 years for wearing a cross bracelet, though I highly doubt that was the only reason. But I'm actually glad I left there. For one thing, I'm now looking into joining a Christian university here for their missionary program. I'll be getting baptized on the 1st. I want to reach people who are in the lgbtq+ community. Blessings.

[@bridegroomministries1212]

Amen brother! NO IMMORALITY TO BE NAMED AMONG YOU. Very good representation of the truth in regards to these things.

[@Judybhorne]

Psalm 36: 1-2 - An oracle within my heart concerning the transgression of the wicked: There is no fear of God before his eyes…

[@kimrease519]

Back in 2018 my brother had gotten back into the homosexual lifestyle along with drugs and at the time all I had known was the seeker friendly church & the things they say. My brother had asked me if I thought God would allow him in heaven even though he was living in his sin and all I understood at the time was what I had been told & so I told him that God knows your heart brother and left it at that. He ended up dying in December 2018 in his sin. Since I have returned to the Lord and am now at a true biblical teaching church, I understand that you cannot enter into the Kingdom living in homosexual sin. I wish I would have known this when my brother asked me, I would have pleaded with him to repent. I have a hard time with thinking about my brother and often cry thinking I won't be with him in heaven. It breaks my heart so much 💔 😭

[@Ohios1Cheesehead]

Praying for you now!

[@notabiologist7162]

Jesus’ sacrifice for us was big enough to cover all sins. If he repented before he died, you will see him again. That’s my understanding.

[@Trying_but-failing]

@@notabiologist7162 this is a very dangerous understanding of repentance. I’m not trying to cause a stir up, but to simple believe that repentance is that simple is dangerous because repentance is actually having a true desire to turn from sin and towards Christ. Sinful grievances is a pre requisite, and many living in sin do not have that, and hence why I say it’s dangerous to preach the simple “we can just say this simple prayer” because that doesn’t get people to repent truly. The cross is not a blanket, it’s a sacrifice given, and a sacrifice understood. Simplicity is not the way to godliness, and godliness is the ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN. Not momentary belief in something you do not fully understand. That is not how it works unfortunately. Wide roads and narrow roads, Jesus made this clear.

[@notabiologist7162]

@@Trying_but-failing I said nothing about “saying a simple prayer”. Not sure what part of my comment you’re disagreeing with. Are you suggesting repentance cannot occur in a short amount of time? How long do you believe it takes? Romans 10:9-10 tells us that we are saved if we verbally confess Christ and believe in our hearts God raised Jesus from the dead. I don’t think we ever “fully understand” Christ, not while we are in this world. Faith is what saves us, not knowledge.

[@JohnDoe-ie1fe]

@@notabiologist7162 Look, Get real here,, No one who is dying is in condition to change their sinful ways,, In other words when people are dying they are NOT in condition to change anything and I know his is a fact... Dying is a suffering far more that than you will ever know and while a person is dying it's surely NOT like they are having a good time to change their ways and You can bank on that !!!!!!

[@poolahpot]

I left this church (FBCO) 22 years ago! it was going apostate way back then!!!

[@keithwilson6060]

How so? Can you share the signs that you saw many years ago which indicates that they were going apostate?

[@poolahpot]

@@keithwilson6060 preacher changing “outfits” between first and second service. traditional suit and tie like old times for us “traditional fundamentals” and then into a t-shirt and jeans for the “contemporary new age folks” for the second service. first service would have traditional hymns, ones that cut to the heart and cause tears of thanksgiving, repentance. second service would have repetitive “chanting” new age songs. (reminded me of hinduism a bit) No preaching of hell and repentance in either service. Elementary sunday school got rid of learning the actual Bible and the Bible stories and instead marched the children off to a theater where the teens would act out “nickelodeon” tv type skits to teach moral principals. As i think of more i will add. This was 22 yrs ago so it’s been a while back. I tried to warn the upper “authorities” to no avail. I also learned that the pastor was connected to the holy land experience theme park and they were owned (at that time) by tbn 😬

[@keithwilson6060]

@@poolahpot Sounds all too familiar, sadly. I attended a Baptist-like Bible church until a few years ago. The music embraced really is a leading indicator of the direction of a church - or I should say, a trailing indicator because the infectious apostasy precedes it. Split services, as you say. Through reworking and rescheduling, the traditional service gradually got pushed into the less favorable earliest time slot. Then that one service became the ONLY instance of traditional music during a typical week. But on a “youth Sunday,” where the youth got to be in charge of the service, they transformed even that time slot into a rock-concert style ego show. I walked out, and never returned. There was nothing there for me anymore. Since then I’ve dropped in on a few online sermons, and realized the situation has gotten much worse. The new, young, “woke” pastor is all about social justice issues. It is sickening.

[@charlottepatterson2864]

I have often wondered why so many of these “popular” SBC “pastors” walk, talk, dress the same, even to adopting the same mannerisms while preaching (not to mention actually stealing one another’s work). It has occurred to me that it’s because they are bearing the image of the one they truly worship, which is not the God of the Bible or the Lord Jesus Christ. They worship the values and opinions of other men. They have not the faith to stand, alone if necessary, on the Word of God. It’s very sad and very hard to watch and it’s terrifying to think of the many they are leading astray. Thank you Justin for keeping us informed of what is going on.