FE12 Dark Emperor Hardin EXTENDED

[@butteredsalmonella]

Fun Fact: While Fire Emblem 12 wasn't released internationally and kept only in Japan, the reverse also happend in Advance Wars Days of Ruin/Dark Conflict where it was released internationally except from Japan and could only be downloaded via Nintendo Membership.

[@M0D776]

I like to think of Advance Wars' future as a franchise as a "what if" scenario if Awakening had failed/never started development, and it's really weird. It's a miracle we are getting a "New" AW game though, and I'm glad we are getting one.

[@Jadanbr]

@@M0D776 it's very weird that they simply ditched AW for 13 years, even tho DoR didnt do bad

[@M0D776]

@@Jadanbr but didn't the first 2 Advance Wars games and Dual Strike do much better? With time, the series lowered on sales a lot (Like Fire Emblem did), which is why after a last game they just pulled the plug, it's surprising that they gave Fire Emblem another chance before leaving it to rot, as it had already done not so well with Path of Radiance/Radiant Dawn and Shadow Dragon.

[@Jadanbr]

@@M0D776 i heard AW 1 and 2 sold well Dual strike was a flop in sales, then Days of Ruin sold well AFAIK New Mystery was the worst selling game in the FE franchise, only Thracia sold less i think

[@M0D776]

@@Jadanbr afaik, yeah, Thracia is the one that sold less, and by a longshot, but for AW, I tried searching for it, but I found no info about it, unless im just blind or bad at searching, of course lol

[@mammotharmored8970]

It epically stinks that New Mystery of the Emblem was never released outside of Japan. The Heroes of Light and Shadow fan translation of it was my second FE game after Shadow Dragon and I feel that FE 12 rectified SD's shortcomings.

[@CodeKirugin]

Welcome back Hardin, you are now in FE Heroes!!

[@patrickslattery4447]

Hardin’s one of my best units in that game!

[@solairofastora690]

Patrick Slattery haha he is my Bold Fighter fodder. I only got one so. I have even Walhart at +2

[@marcosseverini5297]

I'm still hoping in an Original version of him.

[@georgekylo834]

He is eternal now pog

[@vortexoblivion85]

The song of the friendzoned :'(

[@iojijjk8107]

LMAO

[@Ivansehc]

LMAO

[@tokkyu6497]

Vortex Oblivion lmao

[@VideoGaming4Dummies]

Okay, that's actually pretty funny. XD

[@ojutay8375]

it's practically saying it

[@pavetheshave]

Fire Emblem has this habit of creating villains that you can heavily sympathize with. Arvis, Hardin, Zephiel, hell, even Nergal is SOMEWHAT sympathetic when you find out his backstory, and the reasons he originally wanted the Dragon's Gate open before he lost himself. And then you have Gharnef, Travant and Loptyr-Julius . Fuck those guys

[@ojutay8375]

Ey Boss you forgot Lyon as being a sympathetic villan

[@mikesharpmni4264]

and forgot ashnard, perhaps the most evil fire emblem villain ever.

[@turtlefungusismywaifu]

Iago was more evil than Ashnard, at least Ashnard acted like a fucking human, rather than a comic book villain. Julius was pretty sympathetic when you learn his backstory. I mean, having to fight a dead boy who had his soul corrupted and is now a puppet is pretty sad.

[@pavetheshave]

That's why I said Loptyr-Julius, and not Julius himself. From what we know from Julia, he was a sweet boy before Manfroy gave him the Loptyr tome. As for Iago, he and Hans are some of those characters that you just can't fucking wait to kill. Especially after what Hans did to Scarlet

[@turtlefungusismywaifu]

Fair point.

[@hirotrum6810]

the instruments remind me of old fire emblems~ they didnt strife too far away from the original tune like they did the other songs.

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

I mean, the game is SNES old

[@DeadbeatTako]

The first Lobster Lord

[@randomrandumbness8437]

List of Lobsters: Hardin Walhart Ryoma Minerva Cain Zelgius Edelgard (Tell me if I'm forgetting anyone)

[@extrahachse3118]

+Random Randumbness Zelgius And Rudolf. I Doubt they Count but Minerva And almost every Cain archetype?

[@randomrandumbness8437]

I would count Minerva and Cain.

[@tokkyu6497]

Hector4President lmao

[@danielmaster8776]

Hector4President I'm really not enjoying the lobster jokes in this series. "Hehehe, hahaha! They're wearing red so they look like a lobster! It's funny!" It isn't to me. Especially since it's very undignified of these characters. That's like making a joke about every time a war hero comes home with a missing limb.

[@Hilversumborn]

Intimidating yet melancholic

[@HowlingOneify]

Hardin (Dark Emperor) confirmed for Heroes! Super excited, as his artwork looks phenomenal. :D

[@MrBigbrownies]

Metapod, Use Hardin! Damn that actually did damage!? >.>

[@DusBeforeDawn2008]

Chris I choose you! Attack with Silver Axe!

[@LoweLeonhardt]

Sooooo.... anyone notice how the Gradivus has doubled in size compared to when Camus had it in Shadow Dragon?

[@OmniMon94]

8 years later; yes

[@jadynd7916]

9 years later.. yes

[@ericamejia1264]

10 Years later... Yes

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

11 years later;... Yes

[@NebulaMXC]

Why didn't this game didn't get an international release :/

[@227someguy]

b/c it sold really poorly

[@NebulaMXC]

Damn :/

[@RangerJackWalker]

227someguy uh, no. It did really well. The Japanese sales are nearly equal to the combined Japanese sales of Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn.

[@RangerJackWalker]

VGChartz is not a reputable source but let's roll with it for now. 0.27 represents its sales in Japan alone. Those ARE good sales for the domestic market. Which is still more than PoR's 0.16 and RD's 0.17 and those games got localised just fine.

[@227someguy]

***** how are those sales good? are you referring to "good for 1 part of the world"? cuz these are lifetime sales numbers

[@1a5g66]

新紋章のハーディンのテーマがあって感謝してます。 旧紋章も新紋章も好きです!!😃 どっちかといえば新紋章が好きです!!😃

[@snakeorbreak6258]

wide hardin walking

[@elgatto3133]

Josef Stalin's theme

[@condeD]

Red dracula's theme

[@DrewPicklesTheDark]

Stalin: So you've come, Hitler!! I'll run you through, just as you wish! Hitler: Stalin, that's enough. _Barbarossa Crit_ _Stalingrad Counter-Crit_ _Game Over_

[@shingoldenwarrior]

he is considered an archetype for fire emblem villains

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

Yes and no, the "good guy that is possesed by some evil dude" is an archetype in general media, however, he was the one that started the trend in Fire Emblem, and then Julius and Nergal came

[@damonrichardson1999]

I really want an international version of Shadow Dragon, New Mystery of the Emblem, and ESPECIALLY Geneaology of the Holy War. Ishtar and so many enemy characters look so fascinating! It saddens me that until recently, Fire Emblem did poorly and rarely even touched the US except in English ROMs.

[@DuganZ777]

Awesome thats all that needs to be said about this music

[@ChrisMcNellie]

Unlike Ashnard, Hardin was manipulated into becoming a tyrant. Ashnard chose to be the way he is.

[@paulman34340]

Really makes him a Broken Ace/Broken Pedestal too, His people loved him and viewed him as the future of Bern who would lead them into a golden age, Instead he secretly hated them all and would have led them to their doom had Roy and Guin not stopped him, Sadly like Shepard from MW 2 and Saren in Mass Effect, He'll be remembered as a hero who was struck down and betrayed while the ones who stopped them will be remembered a villains by the people who loved them, when they could have give a damn

[@davepanpa5787]

Are you talking about Hardin or Zephiel? I honestly can't tell.

[@paulman34340]

Your very Knowledgable, A good Loremaster which I can greatly Respect

[@ghostfalcon6609]

SO. HYPED. FOR. THE. DIRECT.

[@VladtheImpaler8]

Yo Hardin, I'm really happy for you, and imma let you finish, but Elbert has the best mustache out of everyone...The best!

[@paulman34340]

Actually he started the fallen hero who turned into an evil emperor thing, Zeph from Sword of Seals was the third one after Alvis (FE4), at first Zeph doesn't look like he was once a nice guy till you play FE Binding Blade (AKA the first Fire Emblem we got on the GBA with Elwood and Lyn)

[@AdmiralStickney]

Ashnard is jealous of Hardin because of his epic stache

[@MagiusNecros]

FE7 is known as Blazing Sword.

[@AdmiralStickney]

Oh hell yeah, that mustache is god like

[@randomguy-tg7ok]

Straight outta Pokémon.

[@たいたーじょん-y8f]

我にふさわしい戦楽ナリ

[@paulman34340]

Reason why he pissed off Cecile so that at the very least the boy would not have held back against him and at the least let Cecile get his revenge for what he did to Sigurd

[@ShanksTheRedHaired]

correction for the previous post, FE* and not FF* XD

[@Sonicbladez]

I used Hardin in my hard FE:Awakening playthrough. :)

[@Evilriku13]

+Sonicbladez how?

[@Sonicbladez]

You can recruit him after make his team spawn under Bonuschest -> Bonusteams.

[@robertcajucom3203]

i used black knight & zephiel

[@Gogito4]

Not really. Play New Mystery of the Emblem. The game is amazing and a true up to date remake. Just the right changes and updates, so yeah, Seisen's remake would be something I'd actually enjoy IF they put the effort of New Mystery and NOT the "you gotta kill your units for Gaiden" Shadow Dragon.

[@RickWolfburn184]

Gogito4 wait, for the gaiden you need genocide all your units except marth?

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

@@RickWolfburn184 yup, you need to have 5 units and Marth alive out of 14-11 units you have

[@Gogito4]

I'd be open for it to come back if it was heavily rebalanced. As you said, female units were generally worse than male just for that reason. And in the GBA ones, you had to use limited body rings to even touch the con. Thracia had the better take on them all, but it still needed to get balanced if it was ever to return. I'd like to see them try though.

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

what???

[@MagiusNecros]

More like Ashnard looks like Hardin.

[@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx]

+MagiusNecros Facts*

[@screwtokaiba]

The one at fault is actualy Boah Had Boah did not exist(or killed before the ending) Hardin can become the King AND did not marry Nina at the same time(which is really likely to stop Hardin from getting frustated) As for Zephiel, its the same. Blame his pathetic excuse of a father

[@paulman34340]

Yep but then his mother is just as guilty for taunting the King at every damn turn that even when she was set straight it was too late, Only one I feel bad for is Guin, Especially since the people of Bern will likely look at her as the jealous younger sibling of the King they loved who sold out her people to take the throne not even releasing that had Zeph succeed in his plan they would all be dead, Alvis was an idiot that got tricked thinking the ends justifed the means (Similiar to Anakin)

[@abicrystalwing1543]

This sounds Pokemon battle music. Gen 3 I think?

[@NexonPlayerNA]

Sounds like something from Castlevania...

[@BlazingEternal]

You KNOW when you hear this music, shit gets real and it's go time!

[@paulman34340]

I like Hardin too, Alvis was alot like Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader (But without the bitching and Whining) which I liked, Zeph I liked but without playing Binding Blade first he comes off exactlly as you described him

[@StealthRed55]

Unlike Anakin, Arvis actually won his fateful showdown against the hero and killed him

[@paulman34340]

@@StealthRed55 but still just like Anakin he ended up losing a lot more than he won in his fated Showdown. Didn't effective immediately but it did affect them overtime similar to Anakin when he became Darth Vader completely. He got to enjoy being emperor and boinking his Rivals wife AKA his sister and getting incest twins out of it. But in the end he only had the short golden age has everything started to fall apart in the backgrounds courtesy of many of his new allies including losing his closest aide who he had an affair child with which is just another Mark against him not wanting to become his dad in the cheating on your lover part! And in the end he lost big! He ended up being made useless as he got to watch his Empire pretty much fall into a Dark Age and you couldn't do a thing about it. And as I got with somebody in a different comment and if you take Awakening into fact he pretty much died being remembered as a usurper if the fact chrom stated confusion on how he was completely remembered as an irredeemable villain by history despite the fact he did have his good side but as was pointed out in that comment. His golden age was short and good enough that eventually when his allies started to weld become a lot more open aka the child hunts any Goodwill over all those years were essentially destroyed and in the end he kind of lost big in the department of his wife/sister seeing that she eventually got her memories back right after she was killed by their son meaning in that sense even if she's forgiven him along with the hero her actual husband. In the end he pretty much lost the two women he cared for to death by those on his own side lol. No surprise he decided to let the son of said hero the actual emperor cut him down

[@StealthRed55]

@@paulman34340 Yeah, I totally agreed with you the first time. I was pointing out that he killed his opponent. But you're right, just like Anakin, Arvis was a tragic hero who sacrifised everything so they can lose it all in the end. And just like Anakin, they tried to do what was right in the end although everyone will always remember them as a villian

[@StealthRed55]

@@paulman34340 I would have imagined that Julia clearing her father's name but based on Awakening that's not the case. Do you have any idea why she didn't? Mind wiped?

[@paulman34340]

@@StealthRed55 the other person I commented with over this brought up a good point that the only one who'd remember him fondly would be his daughter everybody else well Julius looks the most like his father and anyone who would take his side pretty much were killed off by the end fighting for the wrong side so yeah even ishtar's likely is remembered as a villain in history! And he didn't do himself any favors by playing the role well honestly I doubt he cared! By the end he realize what he did and new history will not remember the good he did but the evil As Leafs game game showed what the Cult was doing in the underbelly of the Peace. Especially taking into mine Nobles like Hilda. And well you know how some leaders have usually been considered evil because of the people around their Administration more than them themselves! And record can get lost! She may have also had a change of heart not completely hating him but not completely forgiving him once things calm down

[@paulman34340]

Rechecked, Originally Fire emblem 6 was called Sword of Seals while Fire Emblem 7 (Eliwood's game) was called The Binding Blade but at some point they changed their minds and called FE6 The Binding Blade while FE7 was called The Sword of Flames (They must have done this inbetween the 6 years since I last saw the name as such on the wiki's) so I'll admit that my info has been changed and became outdated without my notice, but I was correct on that BEFORE they changed things, But point to you mate

[@jackrichardson5605]

I think it's just the robe. Otherwise they don't look very much alike.

[@paulman34340]

One of his biggest mistakes

[@soucyoh]

‡闇[]

[@paulman34340]

Wrong game Sword of Seals is "Roy's" game where Zeph is the big bad, Binding Blade is the name of Roy's dad Eliwood's game which is the first FE we ever got in the US

[@roymain8090]

Eliwood's game is blazing sword dude, binding blade is the other name of sword of seals

[@paulman34340]

@@roymain8090 made that comment 8 years ago and forgot about it. Sorry about that... My bad :-) especially since the minute after I made that comment I ended up getting the correct games! The first time I heard of Roy's game it was cold sort of seals from whatever Source I got it from at the time before I got the correct term of binding blade. And I made the mistake of calling Roy's dad's game binding blade when it was Blazing Sword! It's always funny when someone replies to my old comment when I was an idiot you make so many that you end up forgetting about them or making the proper Corrections LOL

[@paulman34340]

@@roymain8090 and I just noticed I had another reply there so I did make my corrections after all! Did you reply to this one without seeing the other one I mean it's right next to it?

[@Gogito4]

The graphical style was indeed horrid, but seeing as it changed on FE:A, that's a moot point. My Unit was the SAVING GRACE. You see, it supports EVERYONE, so all those characters you barely knew something about now have their own little backstories. You didn't have that in Mystery. They were mostly blank slates. And you do realize that those exact mechanics now represent all of the series' manaketes outside Mystery and Shadow, right? Weapon Weight was... cumbersome. You probably are.

[@Gogito4]

It was a remake. Not an port. New features were added because of it. Let's face it the "graphical uplifting" the DS had was just not enough. And now you are forgetting your own words "It's a remake". They can't go around and change THE ENTIRE SCRIPT to have everyone suddenly spew their backstory. MU was a loophole they found to be able to do it. What tactical level is there to "This unit that looks really good sucks due to some numerical value?" maybe the RD/PoR was better, the rest was bad.

[@ShanksTheRedHaired]

If you played FF11, you feel like an idiot for leaving Hardin alive. the same goes for FF7 and FF6 with Zephiel. why do all the Allies turn into enemies in the next games, that's what i'd like to know. it wasn't "that" different with FF9 and FF10 either because you suddenly play on Daeins side, making Ike an enemy for a long time. they like confronting us with our allies i guess

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

That's something I love the most in Fire Emblem games, Three Houses did it very good too

[@BlazingEternal]

For an emulator?