Fear and Hunger is One Big Occult Metaphor and Here's Why

[@fearhunger3983]

Oh wow, thank you so much for taking a look at the game! Been a fan of your channel for a good while so this definitely made my day.

[@PlattyGems]

Happy for you Orange :3

[@vnkfrancis1328]

Oh, shit I didn't expect to find Orange himself in this thread. I hope expansion for Termina is fitting real nicely.

[@WeirdTroll666]

oh nice

[@balasubramanianb2308]

The goat himself present here

[@dalfaroux]

@fearhunger3983 thank you for creating these games

[@kommandobosssnikrot9283]

Please continue this as a series of videos. These games don't get talked about enough outside of how "crude" or "difficult" it can be without ever asking the question why.

[@blowbackderelict]

Yes, the gameplay is amazing but lore is phenomenally crafted

[@bryguytyguy]

I’d love to see regular content about this game

[@hexsinthedemon9489]

I’m absolutely with this guy

[@ivanlugo8474]

Yes this video had the perfect length while also been deep and enjoyable. please make More fear and hunger!

[@timetravelingphilanthropis5274]

Second this

[@Royinszki]

"The will to remain strong, corageous and moral in the face of relentless suffering." What a beautiful quote

[@Precisionetica]

From Eliphaz Levi. “ Learn to Suffer”. Nobody digs in or reads no more

[@emilrossi953]

"and as we rise to face certain death i trust our successors to do the same for us"

[@sidewinder3694]

Where do the morals come from in this quote?

[@scrubmcchub2255]

@@sidewinder3694if you are facing “relentless suffering,” most people tend to sacrifice their “morals” to avoid said suffering if possible. The commenter finds beauty in the resistance of this sacrifice of morals in the face of relentless suffering.

[@Royinszki]

Bro i just pointed out it was a beautiful quote

[@richardhunter9779]

One thing does not get mentioned enough - Fear And Hunger has NAILED the medieval illustration art style and it is central to its macabre world.

[@criss3619]

YESsss, an animated series or small short videos in that art style would be amazing.

[@exu7325]

Maybe you meant Gothic? "Medieval" covers a period more than a thousand year and until the last century or two, the paintings look nothing like the art in Fear and Hunger. Even then it's only a passing resemblance, maybe the dull colors? It's unmistakeable that the biggest influence for the artist is Yoshitaka Amano, not medieval art.

[@blipboigilgamesh7865]

​@@exu7325you imbecile, I'm almost sure they're referring to the old folkloric aspects that some of the game's aesthetics cover. If you've ever seen the books of forgotten memories in game you'll know what they're talking about. And about the usage of the term medieval I bet you feel very smart for vomiting this pedantic correction. Everyone fucking knows what OP is referring to in terms of aesthetics: that period in time in europe that lasted around until the 16th century, before things like the printing press or oil paint or studies on linear perspective. Ppl probably don't know what defines the term they're talking about but most people are on the same page on what 'medieval, feels like, that is unless they're an arrogant prick like you.

[@eunuchma1991]

@@exu7325underrated reply here

[@stevowilliams8279]

@@exu7325yeah I have no idea what that guys talking about, this game looks like a Japanese rpg, not anything like art from any period in the Middle Ages.

[@remixisthis]

Fear and Hunger is a SEVERELY underrated game even outside it's horror tone. The game mechanics are really creative and you get better with each playthrough. It's a breath of fresh air for RPGs and a lot of game designers can learn from it.

[@whoareyoutoaccuseme6588]

Fear and Hunger? Underrated? Are we living in the same planet?

[@remixisthis]

@@whoareyoutoaccuseme6588 at least not popular. Still seems like a cult game

[@SyntheticShinobi]

Moron. It’s a generic byproduct of the RPG maker software. You must be new to the turn based top down rpg genre because there are hundreds of games with precisely the same mechanics. It’s almost like fear and hunger came from a cookie cutter that anyone could use to make an rpg of their own

[@SyntheticShinobi]

The only thing the dev deserves praise for is the artwork and score. Those are the only original contributions outside of average turn based rpg mechanics

[@shamusson]

​@@SyntheticShinobi Far from average game design wise, making each enemy a puzzle where you become better with the amount of knowledge you get while making everything mechanics wise fun to play is a feat in itself

[@TheAstralCatastrophe]

I'd love to see you explain the correlation with Finnish culture, history and beliefs and why that results in some of the most twisted themes (not in a negative way) in indie gaming all coming from one country.

[@Michael-su7ip]

thumbs up to this question. fear and hunger. noita etc

[@BobisOnlyBob]

Void Stranger and Alan Wake are also Finnish

[@kathrineici9811]

Tfw you get cut into a million pieces so your mom has to fish out every piece and stitch you back together while fending off a swan

[@chrisdiokno5600]

Eastern European in general

[@m3m3sis]

9 months of dark and cold and a culture of silence and isolation does that to you. 35yo finn

[@iinkrott]

I'm so glad people are getting into Fear and Hunger now. It makes me so happy that there are videos like this being made- I watched everything I could about it when it came out, and there was never enough for me and it didn't feel like enough people knew how awesome it was. I saw this video appear in my feed and got so happy. 🎉

[@enxman7697]

Same m8

[@BrentStewart]

"The will to remain strong, courageous and moral in the face of relentless suffering." I think this is EXACTLY what Sylvian expects of humans her favorite creation. And we are stuck in a vicious cycle of the old gods offering salvation (to pick us back up so we can try again) then fading away (pushing us out of the nest) and when we inevitably screw up again the cycle repeats because they are good parents. For those like the fellowship who think they figure it out only to fail in the end simply become one with the void - which is why there are so many new gods in the hall just stuck there - they failed the final test. Logic was a step in the right direction.

[@eduardoubilla4307]

I watched Worm Girl is videos about Fear & Hunger 1 and 2 and i love them, the game and the world it depicts it's brutal, but the fact that the characters can overcome the brutality makes it incredibly hopeful to me. I would love to see your take on the sequel and other aspects of this game series.

[@Parzivle]

Worm girl mentioned love to see it

[@eduardoubilla4307]

@@Parzivle she´s great.

[@Pudding404]

We have not delved deep enough when it comes to these games. Despite popular belief, it isn't hard or edgy just because and I love that. Crafted with love despite the themes.

[@haraldharam9334]

🙏🙏🙏

[@somasatori9117]

Definitely make some more Fear and Hunger stuff! One thing about Enki that wasn't mentioned is that Enki is a reference to Sumerian mythology. Enki was the Sumerian god of water, a companion of Gilgamesh during the Epic, and created humanity in Sumerian mythology. Enki wanted humans to be made out of clay and blood using earth from the body of the goddess Ninhursag-ki and blood from him (or his son Marduk, depending on the legend). He was also known as the "master of all crafts." I found it really fitting in Fear & Hunger that Enki was named as he was.

[@Yes-gc7hm]

New Max Derrat video? On fear and hunger? LETS GOOO!!!!!

[@claudioalmeidabezerrajunio7662]

same

[@ezaf5989]

Grown man with an anime pfp is scarier then the game tbh

[@sirlenemodesto2665]

Just noticed All-merr(?) looks like a marriage, also in his statue he has a stab in the middle of his right ribs lmao.

[@Tomorrowomari]

Im glad you chose to analyze this game. Please make more on this because the lore seems to go so deep.

[@StarlessAH]

You're my favourite gaming channel by a wide margin, you're always insightful

[@iamdoom9810]

Yes, please make more Fear and Hunger lore videos! Also, I'd really like to see you as a guest on the New Gods Podcast to provide your unique perspective

[@enxman7697]

That would be something!

[@Fenrisson]

1:04 - Ah, Kalameet. The hardest boss in Dark Souls, IMO. Or at least the one that I hate the most, because of how it leaps around like a huge cat.

[@dantespimp]

Absolutely would love for you to continue exploring this game's themes, metaphors, and lore more!

[@ektoras_fl4943]

I remember getting the game before the 10k downloads and I always said that this game is extremely underrated . I am very happy to finally see this game getting the attraction it deserves

[@rev.ryan206]

Please, please do more videos on Fear & Hunger, especially its ties to Berserk (which is one of most important things in the world to me, enough to Brand myself), and the void (another obsession of mine). Thanks for all the great vids, your channel keeps me and many others going in dark times.

[@MotanuClujean]

Please keep making videos about this. The games as a whole deserve it and you are the one to do justice to it

[@Noname0039]

I really would like to see analysis of Sulfur god. Especially his sigil, because it's isosceles triangle, sometimes symbol of demonic, that gives beginning to equilateral triangle, often symbol of divine, that gives beginning to the cross, symbol of All'meer.

[@allourvice]

Would definitely be interested to hear more on this series. Excellent video, once again; very informative.

[@christopherall1004]

I can't help but feel like the dungeon itself also takes various inspirations from The Inferno and The King in Yellow, Mah'habre basically being Carcosa. There's another King in Yellow reference too in one of the game's endings but I don't wanna spoil.

[@larrydavinci2844]

I'd love to see you tackle Fear and hunger again. There's a lot more to it's lore and themes within.

[@killjoyprose6802]

Thought this was gonna fly under the radar more, nice to see someone still talking about a great game

[@Yes-gc7hm]

I would love to see your take on the story of the Sulfur god

[@Bloodfencer1990]

I don't think I'll be missing out on any spiritual experience from not playing sports and racing games. Fantastic video essay by the way!

[@GeekNewz]

I was honestly waiting for you to make a video about this game and was sure you'd made one when I first began watching your videos

[@CharcoalNeko]

I love your analysis of fear and hunger through an alchemical and philosophical lens. The lore of this game is just packed full with it and it intrigues me to no end. So please do more, love your content!

[@azliaheaven]

i cannot believe you actually did a video about this game and there's a sequel, there's no words, i couldn't stop playing until i surpassed it, as if my life depended on it, as is i had to prove to the nothing that my will would remain intact,this game or probably saga will continue to hunt me. i didn't feel like this since berserk 1997 anime

[@Jediahgames]

This is the kind of game I would never have played if people didn't recommend online, but I'm glad I did cause it's a banger

[@gqueirogabr]

Same I heard about it from super eyepatch wolf too

[@heshamshrifa5839]

I have loved this series since its release back in 2019 and am so happy it is getting the recognition it deserves. Please do more videos as I find the themes of the 2nd game to be even more interesting than the 1st in many ways.

[@criss3619]

"profound wisdom in undesirable places" we should keep that quote in mind whenever we find ourselves stuck while trying to solve a problem.

[@J0sh00]

This is the video that started the Fear and Hunger games for me. I thought you meant the actual term fear and hunger and was so confused for a while until i saw it was a game and I thank you for that haha

[@rainymood7176]

I remember picking this game up because I like dark fantasy stuff, but had to give up cause the game was absolutely unforgiving and hard.

[@thenattygod6518]

Craziest part is that the game is so unexplored still. I referenced the wiki a lot while playing and there is so much the wiki doesnt have.

[@Iodestarr]

Yes. Please continue with the series. It's practically calling to you.

[@ravendelacour1917]

From Darkness, Light. From Despair, Hope. From Death, Eternity.

[@michaellepine7981]

In addition to Eyepatch wolfs video, I’d also recommend watching Worm Girls lore analysis of Fear and Hunger 1&2. They provide a lot of valuable context for the games.

[@raioh4747]

Agree, worm girl's video on funger are so good

[@TvTrollByIvy]

I second that, she managed to dig into the lore, mythology and story without making it boring. Great underrated creator, she deserves more recognition.

[@konradcurze394]

You should cover Noita Max, given that it has an entirely fleshed out alchemy system, wand customization, and infamously well hidden lore and secrets. You will have a field day with Noita.

[@fosterbennington6405]

It helps that a lot of Noita’s story is Alchemical in nature

[@konradcurze394]

@fosterbennington6405 exactly my thought. I'm gonna keep posting this til' he sees lol

[@baroque1998]

This was a treat to watch, thank you! I would LOVE to see you make another funger video! This makes me so happy to see this aspect of the game being talked about and it's just one of many other reasons why this series is so cool!

[@OLEWolf]

🙏🏿💪🏿Ayooo even from your shoutouts and other Tubers..... Masterpiece of a video 📸🎉💪🏿🙏🏿

[@jhitcho2026]

That's why I appreciate your content. Like you said "to enlighten" I too have looked for material that asks one to peer beyond the veil. Whether it's oneself or life itself, games helped me to remove the layers

[@stoneage332]

Bravo. I’ve just started playing, it’s brutal and obtuse, I love it. This video is spot on and well researched

[@CakeoftheMews]

After watching Supereyepatchwolf's video I fell DEEP in the F&H rabbit hole. I still haven't played the games myself (tho I REALLY want to) but I spent so long on the wiki just. Reading. The lore is so deeply fascinating and making the connections to IRL alchemic concepts was too cool.

[@neonintention]

​@@SmartCreeperain't that the beauty of it?

[@doritos4956]

​@SmartCreeper some people like that Suprise suprise people like different things

[@eeeertoo2597]

​@@SmartCreeperits trial and error because you suck at the game lol, get over it

[@CheddarGoblin]

I would love to see you go into a whole series about this!

[@ROFLdude_Lv.99]

You can add SmoughTown to the list of KZbin creators that have name dropped you as he mentioned you in his video on the Funger gods. You are becoming even more youtube famous my good man!

[@Zinlain]

I do like how the games plot involves a clusterf**k of residual Old Gods' leftovers, New Gods desperately clinging to relevance in the everchanging values of human society, and humans struggling to reconcile it all. EDIT: forgot to mention, If you like games than champion themes of Human Will being something that is either equal to or surpasses Gods/Divinity/etc, then you should play Dragon's Dogma before the Sequel comes out next year. I'd really like your thoughts on what how the various endings tie into Will.

[@fosterbennington6405]

Not enough media has good occult analysis, even if the media itself is full of occult philosophy. Always good to see someone who makes the effort to do this kind of thing. One series I avoided for a long time but found very good material in was in The Elder Scrolls, especially (but not only) Morrowind. Michael Kirkbride’s work especially (but again not only) was surprisingly in depth and rich in symbolism.

[@PlattyGems]

Neat to see more and more people talk about Funger

[@rhei0ne]

Worm Girl and Mauthedoog, and now Max Derrat. Yey! I love fear and hunger analysis and lore videos. Hey, Max try Termina next. :)

[@GodChaos333]

This game is so dang interesting, and I would for sure, love to see you cover more from this game and the sequel

[@TheKnizzine]

"One must imagine Cahanbara happy." -Daan SacChat

[@andrewdestefano4143]

It's really inspiring that something with such depth and thoughtfulness could be made with RPGMAKER of all things

[@fishs0up50]

Anything can be made with rpgmaker

[@MrSilvart]

Please continue this as a series of videos. Thank you for the work!

[@claudioalmeidabezerrajunio7662]

I'd love to see more of your view on this game, as always you produce wonderful content that helps me in my journey to understand more about deep philosophical or spiritual aspects of the world. I played Fear and Hunger at the beginning of this year and was waaaaiting for this game to catch your attention. :D As always, you're incredible, Max. Thank you for the work! xD You are the type of friend I would love to hang out with, have fun online, and engage in deep conversations.

[@bigmonkey1254]

9:42 I heard the Made in Abyss soundtrack and started shaking.

[@xydo4art]

Oh, I've been waiting for this video for so long... - Xydo, who's created over a hundred artworks and over 30 fanfics about Nosramus

[@LethargicDeities]

That Passion of the Christ 2 earned you my like and subscription 😂

[@irateaaron3837]

I have to say, your video was extremely insightful to me. I would be enthusiastic to watch any other videos you’d make about FaH.

[@THIRDEYEDROPS]

Great stuff brother.

[@TheRafaeloctavio]

Been waiting paciently for you to analyse this game. Would love for you to do more. Thanks!

[@ryankroll9956]

Please continue this as a series

[@mrcin1233]

Another spine tingling , bone chilling, genere defining, character driven psychological horror that broke me.

[@AkaiAmeUltsch]

More Videos, I don't care which game they are about! You're analyses of each game are incredibly eye opening!

[@YoniSagi]

More F&H videos would be greatly appreciated! Old gods, new gods, ascended ones, alchemy - but really, whatever feels right for you to cover next.

[@GoJuBear]

Can't wait to hear your perspective on the series.

[@maximilianoelschlegel4714]

I was so hoping you would soon make a video about F&H. Termina? Yes please! And honestly? I wouldn't mind a longer deep dive in both from you, too!

[@KeiranRoth]

Would love to see you analyze this series more. You bring a fresh perspective I generally don't find elsewhere.

[@Thecoolguy463]

Keep it up man. Starting to become one of my favorite gaming channels.

[@TheLightensoul]

I knew you would come to find this game eventually, especially with the occult stuff and the sequel termina references collective unconsciousness in its lore. Looking foward to more videos. :)

[@greyblenaut]

I will say I don't go out of my way to look for unpleasant scenarios or gore, but when a game has an atmosphere that is so unrelenting, honest and complete, thats the thing that makes me want to play it. It's the same thing that made me love Silent Hill 2, Shadow of The Colossus and the Soulsborne games. Because the Funger series seldom pulls it punches and delivers such a potent feeling of dread, thats a thing I appreciate.

[@nernguan995]

Fun Fact: You may have discovered this in your research but Enki's name is a reference to the Babylonian God of Wisdom. And also sperm. But mostly wisdom.

[@NoobInside12]

Max Derrat video about fear and hunger??? LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOO

[@Trashdogg_Smokey]

Thank you for tackling this game! Looking forward to your upcoming vids!

[@Dhrazor]

Ayy... 1:40 Made in Abyss OST(The Pit) from Kevin Penkin. Did you watch Made in Abyss? Or do you just like the OST? Or is this just the Editors choice? Is there a Made in Abyss Essay coming? That would be great! ...Either way, great analysis as always!

[@Mikuday]

bro I've been refraining myself from playing this game for my own mental health and now you leave me with no choice.

[@Maria-km2pe]

Fantastic analysis, you should definitely make more Fear and Hunger videos!

[@Havac05]

Been waiting awhile for this video and its every bit as good as i imagined it would be. I would also love more videos on fear and hunger and fear and hunger 2.

[@TheAlkhemiaStudio]

it was about time! cant wait to see a new video from u about this game and to hear your take on it's topics!

[@xiiir838]

Absolutely incredible video ❤ Fear & Hunger is my favourite fantasy universe atm, and seeing everything that's inside this amazing game just makes me appreciate it even more. Oh, and of course I would love to see another video about these two games, Max. Please, do it

[@bizznick444joe7]

Fear and Hunger has opened my eyes to a lot of things whether it was intentional or not it did the trick

[@nichelady263]

I can't get enough Fear and Hunger video essays, and your video has touched on depths to the game's themes I haven't heard anywhere else! I would love to hear more of your thoughts on the game.

[@seven2180]

I've seen so many videos on fear and hunger, but this one feels so different and interesting! Please keep making these

[@EllyTaliesinBingle]

I often see into games so much deeper than most see, but lack the energy and mental health to really do anything about it. Seeing someone else see the philosphy, symbolism, and metaphors in the games we play makes me feel less alone.

[@remingtonsloan8331]

I've been waiting for this. I knew you'd get around to it. Every video I've watched about this has made me go "I can't wait until Max starts covering this."

[@JAA_007]

I was waiting for you to cover fear and hunger It was only a matter of time

[@ElenaBarlow]

Please do a video on Fear and Hunger 2, this was really interesting

[@skyrimdavid]

Beautiful dive into a brilliant philosophical discussion. Made me tear up a bit thinking about things, thank you 🙏🏽

[@thesunbehindthesun1574]

Enki is also a real God from Mesopotamian religion. He is the Son of Anu the All Sky Father. You weren't kidding this game did their occult research. They even go on the HP Lovecraft thing with the Old Gods. HP Lovecraft had the Great Old Ones.

[@masterthomas7872]

Players: This game is too tough! Frapollo94: Now for the next gameplay, I will play the game, blindfolded, no limbs, no scroll, difficult boss mode.

[@lordlynkz]

Not for nothing all of this sounds terrifyingly close to stuff I've been studying and thinking on. What a path to be on.

[@ivancruz8703]

God damn it Max you did it. Another love franchised. You are the goat.

[@Ghost-np2ey]

Fear and hunger is waterboarding the rpg

[@justinkroboth360]

"And then the Eclipse happened." And there goes my soul, hurting forever again. 😅 Fantastic video, btw - love your stuff, Max.

[@divineeye147]

When I first played F&H and Termina I quickly realised this was gonna be jampacked full of alchemy, lore and references and it’s turn based combat is just superb 🤌 The only other time I found so much of this and more in a game is with *Brutal Orchestra* which fyi if you’re a F&H fan or LISA fan i’d highly recommend playing it.

[@hoovy9300]

The lack of talk about the girl surprised me

[@m3m3sis]

I find the names funny as the games name itself could be taken from Dimmu Borgirs instrumental song, the gro-gogoth or whatever could be to the band gorgoroth. Fits within the dark themes and the finnish legacy of being a metal nation.

[@yopoxikeweapescai9066]

Do more fear and hunger, is literally perfect for the topic of the channel and has TONS of stuff to look into