Federal Judge Strikes Down Tire-Chalking

[@vernowen2083]

Twenty years ago, in a coastal town in CA, we stopped at a shop to do some tourist shopping for T-shirts. After almost an hour we made our purchases but couldn't find what we were looking for, for the grandkid and got back in the car and headed down the street. Six blocks later we see another shop and park again and go inside. When we come back out 20 minutes later the meter maid is in the process of writing me a ticket for being parked to long in a one-hour zone. After protesting the ticket, she showed me the chalk line on the side of the rear tire, I had noticed when we left the first shop. I explained that to her and showed her the receipt from the first shop, and she still ticketed me. We left CA. two days later and I still have not paid the ticket.

[@adriennefloreen]

In California you should wipe the mark off before driving away but be careful, you could get arrested for wiping the mark off if they think you're doing it to dodge the time limit, read my comment above. I'm sorry that happened to you, please fight your ticket on the grounds that the mark was there from where you parked before and it's now been declared unconstitutional by a federal judge which makes the ruling apply to all states. Maybe they will give you $1.

[@jroda8015]

@@adriennefloreen I'll wipe any chalk marks off my tires i want. I own them, not the govt

[@gregjames2684]

Caliphuckinya has worked hard to earn its reputation , , so , bend over or stay away

[@majorlee76251]

San Mateo county sheriff will be after you. Remember the batmobile.😅😆

[@11C1P]

I tried that in OR but I couldn't renew my license in my home state till I paid the bullshit ticket.

[@TheGravityAxe]

They used to chalk tyres in my home town. It stopped after a store owner witnessed a cop falsifing a mark on his car. Store security cameras caught the whole thing and the chalking stopped.

[@pauldavis9387]

The cop probably chalked it up to a simple mistake.

[@timdowney6721]

Those pesky cameras have taken all the fun out of blue gang banging.

[@furturisticfrontierfilms]

Times have changed, in today's world that shop would have a mysterious arson and police would prevent the Fire Department from putting out the blaze, out of concern for the safety of the firemen. They would stand around on the other side of the street drinking stale coffee and trying to figure out where to find some day old discount or free donuts, designed to teach the shop owner a lesson about "who does he thinking he is messing with". I could be wrong

[@Steve-mk6rq]

@@pauldavis9387 He was caught by mistake.

[@johntracy72]

@@furturisticfrontierfilms that doesn't surprise me.

[@adriennefloreen]

Years ago I was traveling through California with two guys and neither of the guys had much respect for the law, they were hippies who'd been arrested for drugs many times and didn't like laws or cops very much. We parked in the downtown area of a nice city. The parking spots didn't have meters but there was a two hour time limit. One of the guys saw a cop walking by and marking each tire with chalk and asked why he was doing it. The cop told him he was enforcing the two hour parking limit. So with the cop several cars down, the guy bent down and wiped the chalk mark off of his tire. Then, he started wiping marks off of everyone's tire on the block. A few people that were normal looking tourist types saw this and also wiped marks off their tires. The cop turned around near the end of the block, looked back and saw 3-4 people wiping the marks off of all the tires, and ran back screaming and threatened to arrest us, including me, and I was just standing there not touching tires. He was listing off laws he could charge us with, I have never seen a cop so enraged, he seemed more enraged than the cop that beat me up several years later. The cop then went back down the block and "dramatically" marked all the tires with really thick chalk marks as hard as he could slamming the chalk into the tires while telling us all off and walked away saying something about coming back to check they were still there - and they better be or we would all go to jail. The tourists were just shocked beyond belief and probably left California thinking it was a socialist police state, me and my friends were laughing being used to cops treating us that way.

[@cycleboy8028]

They have power because they are not challenged to keep them in check. That's what much of current cop watching and 1st Amendment auditing is about.

[@johng6350]

Don't mess with the meter maid! lol

[@transcendtient]

"socialist police state"

[@MonkeyJedi99]

Even more fun, follow the chalking cop with your own chalk and mark all of the tires in various radii.

[@adriennefloreen]

@@transcendtient That's literally what people who move out of California due to our politicians and police say, I have seen that online numerous times. I agree with them too, even after working for the Green Party and supporting them when they call some of their candidates democratic socialists. Socialism can be defined in many ways but yes, that is what they think and they are right.

[@billalumni7760]

How do we get judgements on "chalking tires" but not on Civil Asset Forfeiture?

[@robertsmith2956]

You DO get a judgement when the popo marks your neck with his knee while robbing you.

[@StephenHutchison]

Civil Asset Forfeiture was a Nancy Reagan War on Drugs (and war on the Bill of Rights) "darling child" used to support the police, who were arguably having a hard time with the costs of prosecuting drug sellers. "Chalking Tires" is clearly something that anyone can be caught on because there's no "chain of evidence" kind of security to ensure you don't have leftover or fake chalk applied by someone malicious, while CAF is money in the pockets of the police department.

[@suzsmith5787]

That will change in the future as well. Citizens need to go over their local ordinances, statutes and laws with a fine tooth comb. Then work to get the unjust ones off the books. Eradicate bad laws...it's oppression of citizen rights.

[@CGR89]

Also the $1 damages per chalked tire seems like the judge saying “I’m tired of the appeals court making me reopen this case over an over, you want it found guilty? Fine, guilty, $1 in damages.”

[@PCDelorian]

It's because the court has basically ruled the damage is unlawful per se so damage doesn't need to proven to establish liability but no damage was suffered so you award $1 in the UK we do the same for £1.

[@ianbattles7290]

If it's not yours and/or you don't have a warrant, *don't touch it.*

[@georgeedward602]

They will just do it another way so don't get excited about getting out of a ticket.

[@slamdancer1720]

@@georgeedward602 exactly there are more than a few other methods.

[@---cr8nw]

@@georgeedward602, it's not about the ticket. It's about using your own property as a source of evidence against you. If you park illegally (for too long) and they can prove it with pictures or with thorough notes, so be it. But your car shouldn't be used as a note pad.

[@roydavis2242]

We had a downtown businessman who would watch for the person who was marking tires to go past, then he'd go out to wipe off all the chalk. The police said he was "interfering with law enforcement". He laughed and said, " arrest me if you think you can win that in court". They never did that.

[@werberderber6209]

There was something like this with drivers warning other drivers about speed traps, I am pretty sure it didn't work out for the cops. I remember an episode of last man standing where Eve stood on a corner with a sign warning drivers about a trap for stop sign runners.

[@mjbarton7891]

@@werberderber6209 Was ruled freedom of speech. Physically removing a chalk mark would be different.

[@PumpkinKingXXIII]

@@mjbarton7891 marking on someone property would be a trespassing. Or could be argued it it defacing of property by the cop

[@jannikheidemann3805]

@@mjbarton7891 Freedom of speech would still protect your right to do chalk drawn art on your tires. There is supposedly a chalk mark under there? Where? I can only see my beautiful artwork I made on the tires I own! Take this to court, mfs!

[@wheatdevon]

“Sic semper evello mortem tyrannis” (“Thus always I bring death to tyrants.") When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it. Frédéric Bastiat “Those who are capable of tyranny are capable of perjury to sustain it.” “...only those who have the will and the power to shoot down their fellow men, are the real rulers in this, as in all other (so-called) civilized countries; for by no others will civilized men be robbed, or enslaved.” ― Lysander Spooner, No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority "So these villains, who call themselves governments, well understand that their power rests primarily upon stolen money. With money they can hire soldiers, and with soldiers extort money. And, when their authority is denied, the first use they always make of money, is to hire soldiers to kill or subdue all who refuse them more money." -Lysander Spooner. (1870) -The payment of taxes, being compulsory, of course furnishes no evidence that any one voluntarily supports the Constitution. It is true that the theory of our Constitution is, that all taxes are paid voluntarily; that our government is a mutual insurance company, voluntarily entered into by the people with each other; that each man makes a free and purely voluntary contract with all others who are parties to the Constitution, to pay so much money for so much protection, the same as he does with any other insurance company; and that he is just as free not to be protected, and not to pay any tax, as he is to pay a tax, and be protected. But this theory of our government is wholly different from the practical fact. The fact is that the government, like a highwayman, says to a man: Your money, or your life. And many, if not most, taxes are paid under the compulsion of that threat. The government does not, indeed, waylay a man in a lonely place, spring upon him from the road side, and, holding a pistol to his head, proceed to rifle his pockets. But the robbery is none the less a robbery on that account; and it is far more dastardly and shameful. The highwayman takes solely upon himself the responsibility, danger, and crime of his own act. He does not pretend that he has any rightful claim to your money, or that he intends to use it for your own benefit. He does not pretend to be anything but a robber. He has not acquired impudence enough to profess to be merely a “protector,” and that he takes men’s money against their will, merely to enable him to “protect” those infatuated travellers, who feel perfectly able to protect themselves, or do not appreciate his peculiar system of protection. He is too sensible a man to make such professions as these. Furthermore, having taken your money, he leaves you, as you wish him to do. He does not persist in following you on the road, against your will; assuming to be your rightful “sovereign,” on account of the “protection” he affords you. He does not keep “protecting” you, by commanding you to bow down and serve him; by requiring you to do this, and forbidding you to do that; by robbing you of more money as often as he finds it for his interest or pleasure to do so; and by branding you as a rebel, a traitor, and an enemy to your country, and shooting you down without mercy, if you dispute his authority, or resist his demands. He is too much of a gentleman to be guilty of such impostures, and insults, and villanies as these. In short, he does not, in addition to robbing you, attempt to make you either his dupe or his slave. The proceedings of those robbers and murderers, who call themselves “the government,” are directly the opposite of these of the single highwayman. In the first place, they do not, like him, make themselves individually known; or, consequently, take upon themselves personally the responsibility of their acts. On the contrary, they secretly (by secret ballot) designate some one of their number to commit the robbery in their behalf, while they keep themselves practically concealed. They say to the person thus designated: Go to A- B-, and say to him that “the government” has need of money to meet the expenses of protecting him and his property. If he presumes to say that he has never contracted with us to protect him, and that he wants none of our protection, say to him that that is our business, and not his; that we choose to protect him, whether he desires us to do so or not; and that we demand pay, too, for protecting him. If he dares to inquire who the individuals are, who have thus taken upon themselves the title of “the government,” and who assume to protect him, and demand payment of him, without his having ever made any contract with them, say to him that that, too, is our business, and not his; that we do not choose to make ourselves individually known to him; that we have secretly (by secret ballot) appointed you our agent to give him notice of our demands, and, if he complies with them, to give him, in our name, a receipt that will protect him against any similar demand for the present year. If he refuses to comply, seize and sell enough of his property to pay not only our demands, but all your own expenses and trouble beside. If he resists the seizure of his property, call upon the bystanders to help you (doubtless some of them will prove to be members of our band). If, in defending his property, he should kill any of our band who are assisting you, capture him at all hazards; charge him (in one of our courts) with murder, convict him, and hang him. If he should call upon his neighbors, or any othern ncs who, like him, may be disposed to resist our demands, and they should come in large numbers to his assistance, cry out that they are all rebels and traitors; that “our country” is in danger; call upon the commander of our hired murderers; tell him to quell the rebellion and “save the country,” cost what it may. Tell him to kill all who resist, though they should be hundreds of thousands; and thus strike terror into all others similarly disposed. See that the work of murder is thoroughly done, that we may have no further trouble of this kind hereafter. When these traitors shall have thus been taught our strength and our determination, they will be good loyal citizens for many years, and pay their taxes without a why or a wherefore. It is under such compulsion as this that taxes, so called, are paid. And how much proof the payment of taxes affords, that the people consent to support “the government,” it needs no further argument to show.

[@michaelmoorrees3585]

Some lawyer is gonna make a career out of this one particular case.

[@deconteesawyer5758]

His children will have the best schools.

[@jeffzekas]

Ashland, Oregon, chalked my tire, moved my vehicle, but they still gave me a ticket. The good news: appealed it by mail and they threw out the fine.

[@davide4725]

Hardly good news... not every one has the ability or time to appeal, even by mail. For every four of these phony tickets they send, I'd bet at least 1 of them pays it.

[@James1987nh]

It's because it would cost them more money for the packing attendant to show up in court to defend the ticket, then they would get from the ticket. Most the times with tickets like this, appealing them gets them thrown out. They rely on those who don't appeal. This is the same tactic scammers use by spamming emails to hundreds of people. All they need is a few.

[@robertsmith2956]

@@James1987nh How do scammers ever make money? I have NEVER had an email with a valid address to respond to even if I wanted to hand over my money.

[@Anon54387]

So because you still had a chalk mark they assumed the car had been there all along ie never moved?

[@jeffzekas]

@@Anon54387 Not sure of the logic, all I know is, I moved my car to another space, but they still gave me a ticket.

[@mjmeans7983]

If it doesn't invalidate the tickets, then watch the policy change... They will continue to do it and offer a way for people to claim their $1 per chalk by logging in to a brand-new web page that requires uploading proof that a parking official actually made the chalk mark (so that people don't start marking their own tire). Then they turn it into a revenue stream by adding a $5 filing/processing fee per claim.

[@EHangGlide]

You are such a cynic about our government, you must have been around a while and been paying attention...

[@oscannail274]

Shh don't give them ideas

[@James1987nh]

Unfortunately, the city can't charge you money to acquire money that is owed to you by the city. The $1 is a judgment from the court, not a benefit from the city. This would amount could be considered an excessive fine and violate the eighth amendment. Which then they would have to pay people back for again.

[@christopherkidwell9817]

@@James1987nh This... totally this.

[@3089280288]

5$? I wish we paid $5. We have to pay $25 in Massachusetts

[@just_another_Joe]

Am curious to know if there’s ever been a case such as this: after observing a tire being chalked, if the car’s owner immediately cleaned the chalk mark off the tire and somehow ended up being cited for that. In my opinion, the owner should have every right to do that in any jurisdiction.

[@stephanreiken9912]

They chalk it because they can't remember offhand which ones were there

[@Cynsham]

If someone makes any mark on my vehicle, permanent or not, I would consider that vandalism, so I have every right to remove the blemish from MY vehicle.

[@adriennefloreen]

LOL read my comment I just posted! I almost got arrested because my friend and some strangers did this while I stood with them.

[@hotlavatube]

I was wondering the same thing. Similarly, what happens if kids go around and chalk all the vehicles on the street? What if someone wipes off all the chalk marks for vehicles on the street? I did a quick search and in some areas you can be fined $100 for removing the chalk mark on your vehicle. For example, see Santa Barbara "10.01.040 Removal of chalk marks." Many other jurisdictions have similar or identical ordinances.

[@ThereIsNoOtherHandleLikeMine]

"Warning: Removal of This Chalk is a Class B Felony and Carries a Prison Sentence of More Than a Year" freekeene daught kahm

[@TexasRiverRat31254]

For years in rural Texas dry counties the local law would chalk tires at the "private club" where you could BYOB and drink. At closing time they'd be parked down the road and stop those with chalk marks as they knew you' been drinking for more than a couple hours.

[@MrAnarchris]

I used to be a delivery driver, I would often park in the same spot , I always got those dam tickets! I was driving all over downtown, obeying the law, still got the Damm ticket

[@nowthatsjustducky]

Might be a good idea in that case to keep a spray bottle and some paper towels or wash cloths in the vehicle, so the chalk can be removed every time.

[@MrAnarchris]

@@nowthatsjustducky I guess, but I was very busy and in a hurry

[@0011peace]

You coud also park in private parking lots wand pay the parking fee.

[@MrAnarchris]

@@0011peace NOPE, AS A FAST MOVING DELIEVERY DRIVER I WAS IN AND OUT IN 5 MINS OR LESS - HI SPEED DELIVERY - NOT PARK AND TAKE MY TIME

[@0011peace]

@@MrAnarchris Then just pay the parking fines. In most down towns where most cities have meters and restricted time parking. You have parking garages every other block. Park walk to destination and back.

[@alewis8765]

I was told by parking enforcement officers that once a tire has been chalked, you're not allowed to wipe the chalk off. Even if it's your own car. The chalk mark is only allowed to come off by natural means (driving or water). So vandalism is okay if a city official is the vandal. And I'm not allowed clean that vandalism off of my property. That's how the world works.

[@jonferdig3205]

they lied to you.. DUH!!!.. cops lie!!!!

[@alewis8765]

@@jonferdig3205 Of course they lied. I was making their job more difficult. And when I say "job" I mean extorting more money from citizens. Extortion for parking on the street that my tax dollars already paid for.

[@cliftonmcnalley8469]

Many officers are quite ignorant about actual law and will lie to your face in hopes you'll submit to obeying the uniform. Several times in my life I have tried to respectfully argue these points because I had the knowledge to do so, and have always been told I was in the wrong and would be punished in some way. Then I mention my Dad's law enforcement position - which usually greatly outranks theirs and they can't apologize and cooperate with me fast enough. Recently, now in my late 50's, an officer attacked me with his vehicle - drove straight at me - because I was leaving my parent's quiet suburban neighborhood at 1:00 am. Even though I'm a law abiding woman, he was treating me like I had dealer weight meth in my car. (I had simply stayed late to watch a movie.) As soon as I mentioned my Dad's name and position, the abusive little pig couldn't escape fast enough. This idiot had to have been in grade school when my Dad retired. I feel sorry for everyone that has to deal with this idiocy. We must determine how to keep psychopaths and sociopaths out of uniform.

[@jukahri]

You could come up with your own chalk and add marks of your own all over the tire.

[@randgrithr7387]

@@jukahri Time to bring whitewalls back into style lol

[@jerrys1960]

Back in the 1980s there was a case in Kingsport, Tennessee where it was ruled that chalking the tires was vandalism and illegal regardless of who was doing it. Basically the ruling was if one did not have permission from the property owner placing any mark/graffiti permanent or temporary is vandalism. I do not know if the ruling has been overturned. But at the time there were a lot of tv news clips and news paper cartoon jabs at the city and the police for several days. Let's just say the police that took the witness stand were apparently not the sharpest tools in the shed.

[@chachadodds5860]

Darn right, it's vandalism.

[@kansasistheman9289]

The vandalism argument makes sense, not sure about the 4th amendment

[@funlightfactory6031]

If they violated the Constitution to determine your guilt and give you a ticket, logic would suggest that yes, you get a refund and have the ticket stricken from your record.

[@mal2ksc]

Paid/resolved parking tickets, being non-moving violations, aren't really "on your record" anyhow. The fine and the annoyance of having to respond are all that remains.

[@no_rubbernecking]

If the court of appeals, twice in a row in the same case, has to tell a trial judge the most basic elements of how to do their job, the judge should be subject to recall.

[@jenniparker1]

I witnessed a New Orleans cop give a plumber, in his company van, a parking ticket after chalking his tire earlier in the morning, despite the fact that he had time-stamped receipts from his trip to a supply house miles away from his current parking space proving that he could not have been parked there for long enough to get a ticket. Their argument was basically "We chalked it, and it's still here, so you're getting a ticket," even though the van wasn't in the same place it had been before and the homeowner was telling them "Guys, they left, they had to go gets parts, and they just got back." (Which was why we were all outside, we had to help them park, parking in the French Quarter is ridiculous.) None of it mattered, because they knew nobody was taking off work to go fight the ticket.

[@miscprojects9662]

Used to work on those scooters it’s funny how when they hired those meter maids they were pretty fit and trim and within a year or two their asses were so wide they would break the little side rails off the seat. When replacing the tires we would do an alignment by having one guy stand on each side of the scooter to simulate the weight of the meter maid so that we could properly set the camber on the rear.

[@shorttimer874]

Getting to be a moot point. Companies have developed camera systems that read license plates are selling them to municipalities for use by both police, to check cars they drive by for stolen, and parking enforcement, to check for overtime with an added bonus to check if vehicle has multiple unpaid violations and might be subject to booting or impound. Also for sales to repo companies to not only check for future contacts but also any contacts from before they got the assignment. Locally, cities are creating rules on how soon these records need to purged to protect privacy, but as far as I know there is nothing covering the records stored by private companies like the repossession industry. If you want to know if where your spouse is parking you just might be able to buy that info...

[@garyschoonmaker1486]

I have plate covers I use when parked. Against the law to drive with them but not to stand... cops can't remove or peak as that's an unlawful search... yes they get pissed

[@Stache987]

I've seen these vehicles looking for business in Walmart parking lots, this could strand someone if they repo there. Scary that they are gathering information about personal shopping visits, but we also have car insurance window mounting devices and old port attachments that tell them info too. I don't mind rightfully paying for parking, when I worked for a parking authority we were instructed to walk our full route in order, no zig zagging back to get someone who should have just expired.. although we were known to take a break and buy a soda and forget where we stopped lol, we must have had some sympathetic magistrates, because if a cop is up a tree, hiding on a bridge, or entry ramp back onto the highway are all legal places to radar you. I also know city owned airports are known to photograph your license plate upon entry, and in some cases where you are parked. You're also photographed at a restaurant drive thru at many chain restaurants

[@VideoArchiveGuy]

Ideally it wouldn't be difficult to install systems on all light poles in an area that then would be fed back to a data system that could then provide the police department a constant, real time feed of exactly which cars were traveling where. It's not much harder at that point to calculate distance times and send people speeding tickets the same way they used to with turnpikes in some areas. I'm not saying they should, just pointing out the ease of doing so. For example, I see enough people shift into and out of toll lanes I DO wish they would assess fines on vehicles seen in toll lanes at points that didn't show up at an entry point or that don't pass an exit point.

[@Stache987]

@@VideoArchiveGuy IIRC I was told a certain early adopter of the turnpike system had multiple clocks on the toll booth counters, which indicated a proper arrival time going the speed limit, somehow they used this for speed enforcement .

[@VideoArchiveGuy]

@@Stache987 Yes - on some it was normal to see some cars pulled over not far from the exit gate so they wouldn't get ticketed for "clocking out" too soon.

[@gamerjunction5335]

When I was in college in Flagstaff AZ, the cops would go through parking lots of bars, and put an X on the dust on the back of a car. When they saw you driving later on that night, they would pull you over for a DUI check. Cars in that town were always dusty in the Winter due to using volcanic cinders for snow and ice traction. No salt, no rust, but dirty cars for about 6 months. Well, one night I had been at the bar, was not drinking that night due to a medication I was taking at the time, and I got pulled over. Of course, nothing happened because I was stone cold sober, and that pissed the cop off I might add. After I got home, I looked on the back of my car, and sure enough, an X had been rubbed out in the dust.

[@Blue-hf7xt]

Cops are predators

[@Blue-hf7xt]

Lots of great comments on this channel! I enjoyed the life experience stories. Loving thy neighbors

[@peoplez129]

Steve, I used to have cops come chalk my car in front of my house and give me "not moving for 48 hours" tickets day in day out, for weeks straight, even when I had parked the vehicle on a completely different side of the street every day. Chalking is just something police use to have an excuse. On top of that, it's a terrible practice because what if a person leaves, comes back, and the chalk mark is basically in the same position as it was before? Well the police consider that as not having moved! And that chalk doesn't come off as easy as they try to make it sound. They don't chalk the treads of the tire, they chalk the sidewalls of the tire....which means the chalk doesn't get rubbed off. When I called a commander about this practice, they came and I thought they were going to void the tickets, but guess what they did? They took HALF THE TICKETS FROM EVERY OTHER DAY AND ONLY VOIDED THOSE! Crooked as hell. The tickets themselves even showed the streets the tickets were issued, within 24 hours of each other, for "not moving in 48 hours", were issued on different streets! So basically, he was covering for his abusive and corrupt officers writing bogus tickets. When I filed an official complaint with the police department, the guy who came by to investigate got hostile. Even went as far as to say "You calling my officers liars?" in a very rude tone. And he conveniently could not find any record of the occurrence. I think he did, but he knew that it was soo blatantly wrongful, he also covered it up, and probably made sure any ticket stub paper trails on the officers side were removed for good. All in all, I had to pay the fine for about half of the bogus tickets. I'll never get justice for what they did to me.

[@LegendStormcrow]

You should have brought them to court and contested it. If you could prove some were false by the same cop you could prove that cop's tickets couldn't be trusted.

[@peoplez129]

@@LegendStormcrow Yeah I should have, but I thought the commander that stopped by was going to void them all. I invited him into my home to look at the tickets, he sifted through them, pulled half of them from every other day and left. With the tickets gone, there's nothing to prove. It then looked exactly how they wanted it to look: Like my vehicle was getting a ticket on the same street every 48 hours for not moving. I got played. I live on a corner block, so when I parked on different sides, it was literally 2 different street names. He took all the ones from one street, so that all the ones left were on the other street.

[@ConsciousExpression]

@@peoplez129 wow, that's some diabolical crap. Still your fault for trusting the police. Should have taken their assess to court. Misspelled on purpose.

[@Ryarios]

All revenues should be returned. Any judge that has a certain percentage of his rulings overturned should be removed from the bench. The percentage should be a low number.

[@neill392]

UK traffic wardens have used the position of the air valves to do this, for over 40 year. They used to make a note now they just take a photograph.

[@georgeedward602]

That is all that will change in the U.S as well. People think they won't have to pay but they will and wasting tax dollars on this is simply American waste.

[@slamdancer1720]

@@georgeedward602 it is one of the tactics used in the US already, esp in areas where people remove the marks.

[@dontstopforcops]

Police from a city in Tennessee used to chalk cars tires outside of certain bars and clubs to target potential drunk drivers. My first remark was that's absolutely illegal when i was warned lol. Tampering with a vehicle is a felony in many states.

[@paraax]

Seems like you are really stretching the definition of tampering. Hypothetical: I'm having a snowball fight, accidentally getting snow on your car, but causing no damage. Have I committed a felony? Substitute with dirt from a construction site, accidentally dropping ice cream on the ground next to your tire, etc.

[@jduds100]

@@paraax why do you argue his point with a bunch of things that happen by happenstance versus something intentionally done?

[@thepain321]

Defacing property for a particular purpose. But the reason makes an assumption. That the driver of a car at a bar will be drinking. At that driver should be stopped to have to prove otherwise.

[@dontstopforcops]

@@paraax If we're going to speak hypothetically to the extreme, lets say you just bought a Ferrari, Porsche, Your dream car, whatever that may be. And neighborhood kids wrote all over it with wash away chalk, what would you call it? Graffiti? vandalism? An improvement? Now, a tire isn't "all over" its minor, but it's none the less making a modification to a vehicle that is not yours, is it not? Damage is subjective, you don't know the chemicals in the marker they use, or how much someone pays to keep their tires shined.

[@socaljet]

yea every where just marks the ground now

[@shawnroberts9272]

I always thought it was wrong for them to vandalize our car.

[@catslove3884]

Graffiti art

[@nicholas_scott]

In Maine, a judge rules it was unconstitutional 4 years ago. Since then, meter-maids use a special camera to record the license plates, and geo-tag them. Probably cost a fortune for the technology

[@johnmicheal3547]

And tax payer get screwed. Wonderful isn't it. Either way we get screwed.

[@gliderp]

Doesn't matter. It's not 'their' money. Just bend over, pay up, and pretend you're happy! 😂

[@jduds100]

Saw someone chalking tires in Belfast last week.

[@jduds100]

This video has made me think about letting them know their practice is barbaric.

[@stopthink9000]

Lol...geotagging would only be accurate to about a few meters. Unless they have parking stalls numbered and that is checked you could get a ticket in the next stall over after moving your vehicle due to matching geotag.

[@Aar69]

Although I can understand why tire chalking can be argued as an infringement of constitutional rights, I do find it ironic that the proper remedy has become license plate scanning and geo-tagging, which in my opinion, feels much more intrusive. I have no clue how municipalities are managing my data. I don't know whether my license plate is being cross referenced against law enforcement databases. The location of the vehicle, which more likely than not corresponds with the location of its owner, is now under surveillance and documented. The scope of information gathered by your municipality is now much broader than the information gathered by a chalk line.

[@petercohen3743]

The question is "what part of this constitutes a search?" It can't be that observing something in public view is an unlawful search. So, I have to assume that it is the physical contact with the private property (i.e. the tire) that is the search. If so, chalking the ground in front and behind the front & rear tires would accomplish the same thing without touching the private property. Same can be said of license plate readers. The court needs to provide better definition of WHY this is a search and what makes it unlawful.

[@Omniseed]

​@@petercohen3743 I would think any competent legal mind would call the literal search of their databases for the personal information related to the license plate the search. because that's when the search happens. It could be argued that doing more than casually observing the plates without further action also constitutes a search, since retaining the plate numbers for a later search is obviously part of the same search, especially if it's the standard policy. since there are plenty of ways to check parking validity, like with tickets from machines or meters, it could easily be argued that any attempt to discern who is parked where is an unconstitutional search and beyond the actual authority of any public official. this might make it difficult to enforce parking time limits, but things being harder for public officials because they have to respect our privacy sounds like a good thing to me.

[@mal2ksc]

What in the world makes you think they aren't already tracking plates for purposes other than parking enforcement? All this does is move parking enforcement to use a method _they're already doing_ rather than having its own.

[@slamdancer1720]

@@Omniseed last i missed it...chalking doesn't check databases. Competent minds know this too. ALPR do and in some cases cross check with law enforcement databases to different degrees

[@suedenim9208]

@@Omniseed Anyone with a basic grasp of the 4th amendment would easily understand that the owners of a database are allowed to search their database as much as they want and in any manner they choose without permission or consent from anyone.

[@benhawke7231]

WOW!! I can't believe it's been 5yrs since you broadcasted the first story on this. I must be getting old because it seems like yesterday.

[@optophobe]

Wouldn't this ruling also apply to police placing tracking devices on vehicles without a warrant?

[@johnmicheal3547]

I was thinking that too.

[@lrmackmcbride7498]

That was ruled unconstitutional by the SCOTUS. They have to have a warrant.

[@chartle1]

Wasn't that was already considered an illegal search. 🤔

[@flakesinyershoe8137]

They almost always get a warrant for that, making it illegal for a person who discovers the tracker to discard it.

[@Robertz1986]

US v Jones (2012). The Supreme Court already struck down warrantless installation of GPS tracking of vehicles on that case 10 years ago, didn't they?

[@thatjeff7550]

Will probably be a moot point nowadays. My Youngest is currently in university and commutes with an EV. The charging stations have a sign that says you can only park there to charge AND for a maximum for four hours. One day when I drove her in, I noticed one the university police checking the charging spots and photographing the cars' tires. What he was doing was photographing the tires' valve stem location in relation to the ground or car. By doing it this way, he had a photograph evidence marked with a time stamp when the car was there. So hi-tech "chalking."

[@WhereWhatHuh]

That would still be unwarranted, with no reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing.

[@SeanBZA]

@@WhereWhatHuh Yes, but not tampering with the vehicle, and the same as any ANPR camera recording your plate, which is deemed legal in many states. A good idea as that is not touching, and so long as the plate is visible in frame along with the tyre it will stand up.

[@scottmarinello3797]

This case may have been going on for 5 years, but the practice of chalking tires has been going on for 50 years! I remember seeing it in Oak Park, IL in the early 1970s.

[@firstgoinpostal]

Just buy your own tire chalk,and if you see your tire/tires marked. Mark them several times yourself.🤣

[@robertsmith2956]

even if you don't get a ticket, they are still chalking tires of people who left. This ruling seems to be discriminatory, since they were not party to the suit.

[@johntuffy5721]

just ride an ebike :)

[@robertsmith2956]

@@johntuffy5721 don't they have tires? I guess you could put brushes on the forks to wash any chalk off.

[@cgbdfb52]

Back in 1972 I was working in West Virginia when I parked my '68 Plymouth Fury II right in front of the storefront restaurant with sidewalk tables but did not feed the parking meter. A few minutes later I saw a city cop eyeball my meter and watched as he looked for a place to park his patrol car. While he was parking I stuffed a nickel into the meter without him seeing me and sat back down to lunch. When he came up to the meter he suddenly looked very surprised. I heard him say to a passerby, "I swear I thought that meter was expired." He put his ticket pad back in his pocket and left. I acted as if I did not hear and waited for him to leave before I got back in my car.

[@billcosharek2932]

The Owl in the Canadian cup with perplexed expression has given up looking for Ben

[@spdergod]

Our local town takes photos of your plate and car. I wonder if this would be considered the same thing?

[@GoatZilla]

Kind of have to test this procedure. Is chalking your own tire allowed? Say you just put lines all over your own tires. Is that illegal? What about washing a chalk mark off? What about paying someone to wash off a chalk mark? Can you put a cover over your own tire? I think it's classified as "search" in the same way as tracking devices, which essentially this is. They had to occupy private property in order to gain information. If you can't chalk your own tire and can't wash your own tires, then they're occupying space on your tire.

[@ubermenschen3636]

Cut to the chase: parking meter don’t make money for the city- parking tickets do. Hence, the city passed parking laws that say you may not stay in one parking space by feeding coins into the parking meter so as to prevent having the meter expired. Chalking tires is the method by which the government enforce its money grubbing. Government shake-down people using legislation, the police, and the court system. Other devious methods: red light camera, speed trap, reduced yellow light timing, obscured traffic signs, street cleaning-sweeping. The American people distrust and disdain the government for many reasons. Parking meter-chalking tires is just one.

[@georgejones3526]

I would also consider it to be vandalism, defacing my personal property.

[@jphogannet]

In my state my dad was actually embroiled in what stopped the city of Little Rock from doing it for at least a time. He got the county sheriffs involved and wanted to press charges for vandalism when they would do it to his vehicles. And it came down from the Sheriff that they indeed would arrest for vandalism in the presence of a complaint and let a judge sort it out. The city backed off and went to chalking the pavement in some way that they could tell if the car moved.

[@slamdancer1720]

@@jphogannet would have been interesting, as that deputy would also be violating laws in order to do so.

[@eLouminati]

I love the Benjamin Franklin hair-do on your owl! 😍

[@yomommaahotoo264]

When something this trivial is floating around in the courts - all the more excuse for them to duck important issues like civil forfeiture.

[@spaceindian2378]

Or on the higher political level the corruption running rampant with no accountability!!! But just don't chalk my tire

[@scottmcshannon6821]

@@spaceindian2378 dont park illegally.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

@@scottmcshannon6821 Many or even most parking restrictions, particularly nebulously monitored time limits, are more about revenue than convenience. Municipalities ACTUALLY concerned about people parking too long or there not being enough parking would spend the money to either install parking meters, or erect (or incentivize others to erect) parking garages.

[@Marvin_R]

why even chalk the tires? in Europe there's a simple solution: the parking time card. everyone has one in their car, it's blue with a little dial. when you park in a short term parking area you are required to set the dial to the current time and display it under your windshield. parking enforcement can then check the times on the cards to see how long your car has been there unattended.

[@johnnylightning1491]

This is going to be a nightmare trying to figure out who's tires got chalked. There is a technological solution to this issue so getting tickets won't go away, they'll probably just get more expensive. Or there will be a sign on the parking meter that says that by parking in the slot you consent that your tires can be chalked. This is a case where the cure is worse than the disease.

[@GeorgeVCohea-dw7ou]

A camera in the meter with maybe a detection sensor. Parking garages have long been moving to this to show drivers how many slots are still available before pulling in; so, this info can be digitally and automatically tracked with proof. Essentially, the ticketing could become much more thorough and automatic for actual and valid revenue enhancement. It's a real win-win!

[@richardcranium5839]

the judge did this on purpose so the city wouldnt go broke yet ruling for the plaintiff

[@ramjam720]

I lived in Hermosa Beach (next door to Manhattan Beach) in the early 80's, and they did the same thing with the parking enforcement trike. When they would chalk my tires, I would just take a damp paper towel, and wipe my tire clean. I lived there for 2 years and never got a ticket.

[@Mpg-gh5fq]

I once got my tire chalked in a private pay lot near an airport. That made no sense to me, since they give you a timestamped ticket upon entry and you pay upon exit for whatever amount of time you were there. When I paid on my way out, I asked the lady why they had chalked my tire. She got defensive and said, "So we could see if your car moved. It doesn't harm anything. It comes off with water." But why would they need to know if my car moved, as long as I still paid for the entire time on my way out? Chalking makes sense for time-limited parking spaces, and this was not a time-limited lot.

[@scottwatts3879]

It was probably an entry/exit limited or a per-day lot, otherwise someone would park there for thirty days straight and pay a one day fee. just a guess

[@chachadodds5860]

@@scottwatts3879 Every parking garage/lot I've ever parked in that requires a fee, has time AND date stamped tickets. No excuse for chalking a vehicle parked in such an area. A litigious person could sue for being vandalized.

[@Mpg-gh5fq]

@@chachadodds5860 Yeah, this lot put time and date stamps on the entry ticket, and I had made an appointment to stay there for several days. For the chalk marks to be useful, they would have had to check them before I backed out of my space. It's weird -- did they have someone walking up and down every aisle regularly to check if the cars had moved? I don't see why if they had the date and time on the entry ticket. And when I asked why, they answered so vaguely that it didn't solve the mystery. I wouldn't consider it vandalism because it didn't do permanent damage, but it makes me wonder what strange things happen at that lot that motivates the employees to chalk the tires. I haven't parked there again since that incident.

[@mrdavidleebrown]

In Los Angeles many years ago my tires were chalked in front of our apartment complex, I drove away and did some shopping and came back an hour later and parked near the same spot I was originally parked and they wrote me a ticket and stated that I rolled my tires to hide the chalk mark. It cost $40.00.

[@TimoRutanen]

Next they will cut out half the work, and never go to actually chalk anything. Just claim someone removed it and ticket anyway. Efficient.

[@sethbrenneman3508]

At the beginning of the video he says one dollar per chalk mark but at the end he says one dollar per person. There is a big difference between those two values because if someone got marked every day for years they could be owed thousands of dollars if it is payed out per mark.

[@justgonnagetbetter1037]

Burden of proof. They would have to show proof of a thousand marks

[@steffenkreye9514]

As city I would say give conclusive evidence that you were chalked (pictures, video or similar) and we will pay. Should invalidate most claims.

[@brianorca]

@@justgonnagetbetter1037 if these were newer meters, maybe just show the credit card charges.

[@AlexandriPatris]

Seems like an easy workaround would be to mark the ground next to the front and rear tires. The chalk would remain for a while after the car departs, but it is unlikely that two cars would park in exactly the same position AND have the same distance between the two tires. If there is no chalk on the tires, would the ruling still apply?

[@Temo990]

What about just taking the position of the valves (what o'clock they are). Note them on a paper (or photograph them) and that's it. What purpose does the mark have other than to help the enforcing officer to detect if the car was moved or not.

[@AlexandriPatris]

@@Temo990 If you go by position of the valve stems, you'd probably have to take time-stamped photos. As long as you don't touch the vehicle, then I don't see how this ruling would apply.

[@mal2ksc]

What about a variation on the foam spray soccer referees use to mark the lines a player must stay behind on a free kick? That stuff disappears on its own after a while. A parking version might need to "live longer".

[@charliedee9276]

This reminds of years ago living in Arizona. The cops in Flagstaff would spray paint the rear tire tread with day glo paint of cars parked at bars. This would alert ANY cop who found themselves behind the car it was at a bar, and most likely would result in a pull over. It was so well known many would have a can of flat black spray paint to cover the mark put by the cops. It was eventually ruled entrapment and made illegal. This was in the mid 80's.

[@TheCarpenterUnion]

Lmao. Definitely sounds like something that would happen in flagstaff

[@wayneamerican1708]

The fact that you would pay to park on a street or ramp you paid for is just wrong in the first place. Gov. Gets your money around every corner.

[@TheRealScooterGuy]

The idea behind parking fees is that they pay for the enforcement of the parking time limits.

[@michaelmoorrees3585]

$1 for a class action. Well its better than a coupon.

[@flakesinyershoe8137]

If you worked in the area for 15-20 years and had to move your car every few hours every day that you worked and they chalked the tires each time that's roughly 260 days per year that your tires got chalked and if you moved your car 3 times each day, that could mean some pretty decent money for some folks

[@slamdancer1720]

@@flakesinyershoe8137 I doubt they will go back that far with it.

[@samueltaylor4989]

What would stop someone from chalking their own tires and getting the dollar reimbursement? A few times a week for years?

[@dougjones9493]

Steve, it baffles me how different judges rulings are different on the same law. Do we need to send judges to class on how to interpret each law? Now this begs the question which judge's ruling is correct?

[@gravitybear]

It baffles you how different people see things differently? You even used the word "interpret," which suggests just this situation.

[@Mavendow]

@@gravitybear "The sky is blue." "NO IT'S GREEN. GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL." I think you're being a bit disingenuous by stretching the term "interpret."

[@thecactusman17]

@@Mavendow At multiple times per year the sky is purple, red, yellow or orange depending on time of day and atmospheric conditions. For most of human history the sky would have been described as shade of green. So yeah, interpretation is subjective.

[@0011peace]

until the supreme court makes a decision and sometienes even after the law of the highest vourt in you area dealiong with this issue prevails. Only, the Supreme Court can interpet law for the entire country.

[@thecactusman17]

@@0011peace No it cannot. SCOTUS can only decide on the constitutionality of laws, not the inner workings of the law or federal implications. Outside of that narrow perview they cannot interpret anything.

[@drjay7465]

i wonder how this effects "virtual chalking" ... by that i mean the plate reading computer/cameras which essentially do the same thing

[@lrmgrl]

Out of all the problems in our country and the CJ system, it's reassuring to know high courts are looking into chalk. Heaven help us.

[@Carnagefiend]

We can address both. Considering this is also a violation of the Constitution I think this is less about CHALK and more about government limits.

[@Kurgosh1]

All because some woman decided that she _really_ wants to be an asshole to the other residents of her town and break parking laws without consequence.

[@marks3750]

Thirty years ago i was working across the street from the court house in my town. Every so often the woman in her little three wheeled vehicle would drive by and chalk tires. A few minutes later one of the girls that worked at the court house would come out with a rag and clean everyone's tires. That happened several times a day.

[@-yeme-]

quite possibly one of the pettiest and most pointless lawsuits Ive ever heard of

[@baddriversofnorthtexas6850]

I started on an app that will allow the city to mark a car based on license plate and parking spot. And when that time stamp hits a certain value (30 mins for example), it updates the city employee to go check if the car is still there.

[@WooShell]

I'm surprised nobody suggested that chalking the tire might be some kind of property damage...

[@steffenkreye9514]

The problem I see in this is that there is no real damage. A little spit and some rubbing and it is away. So you have no ground to sue.

[@WooShell]

@@steffenkreye9514 That argument would work for any kind of vandalism though. "Just a little pressure washer and the graffiti is gone". Damage is damage, and no matter how small, if it was done intentionally, it is a crime.

[@mal2ksc]

@@WooShell But chalk isn't damage. Just like someone leaving a newspaper on your lawn isn't littering.

[@jenkinseric2]

I am in Victoria BC Canada and long ago they stopped doing that here, they use a computer. I got a ticket for overparking "in the same block" when I parked twice for short times about three hours apart. No touching at all.

[@richwood186]

In college (mid 60s), I lived in Cambridge, MA, and went to school in Boston. I drove into the city for a class, then drove back to Cambridge. While I was in class my tire was chalked. A few hours later I drove back into Boston and parked near the original space. I came back an hour later to find a ticket. Boston had a two-hour limit at the time. In neither case did I exceed the two-hour limit. I should have checked for chalk and washed the tire.

[@RobertComicCollector]

Note the position of the tire air stems. The chance of those stems lining up exactly the same after moving is extremely unlikely. They are then just viewing what can be seen publicly.

[@aowbsx]

I live up in Bay City, and this was kind of a big thing when it first started, as Bay City used to chalk the tires on cars downtown too.

[@LazyBoyZR1]

I was parked out front of my parents place about 15 years ago for a LAN party my brother was hosting in my parents basement large rec room. Since I'm the one that would go for the Fast food runs at 2am I parked on the street so as to not require multiple people moving cars around They have a large driveway, I was never the last to arrive, so parking out on the street would let me leaveeasy and then park in the driveway when I returned with the food. When I went out about 1:45am this particular time it was dark and quiet outside and I used the side door as to not bother my sleeping parents. So the cop car stopped beside mine didn't see me coming, I watched them chalk my tire.. 15 min before the 2am-5am parking ban in my area started. So as they are pulling away and onto the next car down, I wiped the chalk off, then proceeded to walk towards that next car.. I wiped off 2 more cars before they noticed me... They had the balls to ask me what I was doing....LOL. I told them I was protecting my neighbors from fraudulent tickets as the no parking window of 2am-5am had not started yet. I also told them back then that I thought this was wrong, and lazy police work. I went on the tell them of the real dangerous traffic issues in our area. As the most important is the drivers using our street as a thoroughfare don't stop at the stop sign. I said that would be a far better community service to our area, so police the stop sign I said. They actually took that statement well, and I did notice over the next few months a few people being ticketed right there....

[@billbaker3565]

I think the $1 is the judge’s way of indicating he is sick of this case.

[@BenLeitch]

Ben is behind the owl's head

[@jessewalter8738]

Chalking was no longer permitted due to a court case, in the District of Columbia at least 20-25 years ago.

[@danlewis9304]

I was there visiting and my tires had 100 marks on each tire...Send me my money judge! Seriously, with license plate scanners and video, why is there a need for chalk defacing tires?

[@microdesigns2000]

They've been chalking tires for probably 75 years. Imagine the class trying to retroactively get ticket money back to WWII.

[@mikeslater6246]

I personally don't see anything unreasonable about chalking tires in parking places. It doesn't damage the property as others have contended and what explanation there is gives little to grab on to as to it being an unreasonable action. The fact that this thing has been up and down through multiple judges multiple times clearly says they can't even agree on it. With as cluttered as our judicial system is with many more important things than chalk on someone's tire, this to me is just a waste of time and resources but a windfall for the lawyers involved.

[@stephanreiken9912]

Can someone walk up to your house and draw a big line across your door?

[@Sarge395]

What if a prankster chalked your tire? And you ended up with a ticket or worse? Fight back against police powers and the millions of dumb laws, don't expand them.

[@mikeslater6246]

@@stephanreiken9912 no, they are trespassing! So that would be a reasonable restriction.

[@mikeslater6246]

@@Sarge395 in the close to 60 years that I've been driving, all of it in municipalities that allow chalking, I can count on one hand the number of times I am aware that my tires have been chalked and have never gotten a ticket at all. Although a prankster is a possibility it is highly unlikely it would occur. You're just grasping at straws on that one.

[@lrmackmcbride7498]

Let's assume they chalk 1000 tires a day. If you wash the chalk off at a $1 car wash that is a thousand a day over a period of four years that is 1.5 million of cost to taxpayers. That is not trivial and that is one city. Multiply that by 1000 cities and that is a billion dollars. And i would say that is low ball on the number of cars and number of cities that do this. I have dealt with this working in a tourist town. There is no parking for employees. If you don't live close enough to walk you are paying the city $15 every two hours to park. Our solution was to rearrange cars every two hours and clean the tires.

[@chad00012459]

As a resident of Saginaw City, I will say the parking enforcement is pretty aggressive. The government does not have a right to mark your personal property. It's worth noting the story was published by MLive and this originated from an MLive employee who kept getting harassed by the parking enforcement officers. Residents support this decision.

[@jphogannet]

If you worked in the area and could prove it, and got a ticket like 1x a year, you could theoretically prove your tires were chalked some 200x per ticket. So unless it was a really expensive ticket, you could get your money back.

[@TacDyne]

I and my friends used to clean the little chicken foot arrows off tires when we saw them. This was AZ back some 40 years ago. Stopped seeing them some years later.

[@linuxgurugamer]

I wonder what would happen if they put a notice on a parking meter saying that by using the meter you grant permission for the city to chalk your tires ?

[@catlover1986]

That's not how it works. They need a warrant. There is no consent by exercising your right to be in public.

[@linuxgurugamer]

@@catlover1986 There are plenty of things which you give consent by using something. If you physically put money into a parking meter, that's an action, and my question is that if posted that the action grants permission, would that be legal. So it's more than just being in public

[@catlover1986]

@@linuxgurugamer No, the government can't make you surrender a right, to exercise another right. A private entity can make such requirements, but the government can't.

[@linuxgurugamer]

@@catlover1986 Being in public is a right. But, is parking at a meter a "right", a "privilege" or a paid "service"? Keep in mind that driving is not a right, but a privilege which can be taken away. Hence my question

[@catlover1986]

@@linuxgurugamer Having my property rights and privacy respected is a right. Driving isn't a "privilege" per se. You still have plenty of 4th amendment rights in a car. The court has ruled, as a matter of Constitutional law, that these rights exist. The court is correct, of course.

[@JohnS-il1dr]

I got a ticket even when I was within the alloted hours. The jersey chalked 25 cars at a park and we all got a ticket. Most of the cars were well within the time and meter paid. Must of worked on a commission based on tickets issued

[@TwoHams]

If you think chalking tires isn't vandalism than by all means go doodle on some tires at the police station and see what they think.

[@jroda8015]

Bet thats right

[@mikep490]

Meters in the town I worked in would "narc". The meters would send a signal to the meter reader when the meter expired. Others accept credit cards or meter cards which, if time stamped, could computer generate violations. Since using a card is volutarily supplying information, would that be legal? Maybe it would even auto-debit the card and then mail/e-mail the citation. In some cities, police cars are equipped with automatic license readers, so that could be another method of IDing cars.

[@CGR89]

“They can’t do it anymore” leave it to a government to get creative to squeeze extra dollars out of their populace. Instead of running a chalk line on the tire itself, they’ll mark the ground around the tire. Proves the vehicle has not moved without physically touching the vehicle.

[@TheCarpenterUnion]

Lol and then what when a new car parks there?

[@ralfie8801]

Soon there will be too many marks on the ground and they’ll just issue a ticket to the vehicle that’s parked there every time they come by.

[@minilathe5271]

So, in our city they use an electronic device and "photo" your car's registration tag (license plate) and store that image with the date/time stamp to avoid "chalking the tire" and use this data to determine the time the vehicle was in the space. I wonder how this ruling will impact this practice?

[@richardbenjamin8535]

Heather, so that must mean when you try to stop and the brakes fail, you get to "foot" the bill🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Steve, since they issued a ruling for little people like you and me, does that mean we should "chalk one up", for the judges on that court???🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@aussiebloke609]

Ah, but you only foot the bill once you have it in hand. 😁

[@richardbenjamin8535]

@@aussiebloke609 yes, but then you had to reply and your foot went straight into your mouth🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@darrellashby1092]

We live in a small city in Ohio. After a 2 week long vacation, we came back to $175.00 of parking tickets on our car that was parked in front of our house. There is a 72 hour limit for residential parking in our city. I had to prove I was on vacation and that it was parked in front of my property to have the tickets dismissed. I understand why we have this ordinance but it's a little silly that when we go on a vacation longer than 72 hours I have to pay someone to move my car to avoid tickets.

[@Pheatrix]

In Germany they record the position of the valve on the tire. I'm pretty sure if they would chalk the tires that would result in cases of violence against the chalker...

[@Pheatrix]

@@M167A1 Parking tickets usually aren't handed out by the police here. There are people whose job it is to just hand out tickets and they are not part of the police. They often want you to think they are part of the police (though they are not and can't say they are, but often they are dressed quite similarly. Without the police equipment of course) and quite often act like they are better than you. Real attacks on them are rare, but that someone yells at them for a parking ticket is not unheard of. And that is without them "vandalizing" the car! Additionally the police is not as respected as it once was. Attacks on the police are still quite rare but on the rise.

[@jameshiggins-thomas9617]

Love to hear the SCOTUS on this one ... seems a real stretch. But rationalization is strong in humans.

[@arbiter1]

Putting the chalk on the tire is pretty much vandalizing private property IMO.

[@johntracy72]

And putting a boot on your car is trespassing especially if it's a private company that does it.

[@3dtour]

They can still mark the ground on both sides of the tire, or center mark on the pavement.

[@spacecase13]

This vehicle related case needs to be penalized for traveling before it tries to claim expenses for mileage.

[@ericemmons3040]

Does a higher court have to send a decision that it invalidates back to the lower court, or can it just vacate the case after making a decision? Wouldn't it be easier for the higher court to say, in effect, "We are overturning the lower court's decision and finding in favor of the other party; case closed"?

[@vmc001]

I'd tell them to give me my money in pennies

[@TargaWheels]

Tell them you want pre-'82 pennies. Those actually worth about two cents because of the copper content. 😁

[@vmc001]

@@TargaWheels that is correct I do collect coins. I just didn't think about it thank you for the help.

[@chrisknoblock]

So what stops them from just photoing the vehicle and chalking the street?

[@groermaik]

Hundo, unfolded, behind the white owl, on top of the Canada mug, on the top of the left OED cabinet. 3.

[@jmm83164]

Cops in our home town used to put little orange reflective stickers on certain cars so they would be pulled over time they were seen . Probably still do

[@Fljeff7]

To me it seems that this is a form of vandalism to one's personal vehicle

[@strangersound]

If that an unconstitutional search, than so is every traffic enforcement camera.

[@IanHobday]

Here in Japan, meters in busy areas automatically sense when you have been there too long and start to flash a red light.

[@Ijetskilc2]

In Louisville the cops used to go around to the bars and mark cars with neon chalk after 10:00pm pm then after midnight start stopping them. You would see all these cars driving around after midnight with spinning neon chalk marks. I don't think they do it anymore but I could be mistaken?

[@nulbyte]

Really? Wow. I've never seen this, so maybe they did stop. I imagine what few cops are left around here are probably too busy to play with chalk these days.

[@sidrat2009]

Like the t-shirt today. The tech inside the VR headsets is outstanding. Tyre chalking isn't a thing in England as the parking enforcement officer notes down the registrations of the vehicles on their hand held computer with the date and timestamp. That's probably worse than tyre chalking as I have no idea how long the records are kept for or who has access to them.

[@superhawk20002]

I could quit work and retire today if I got a dollar for all the times my tires were chalked at Purdue University. Hell, I could retire if I just got a dollar for all the parking tickets I had.

[@bengee1040]

I once got a ticket for that, only thing is I had moved my car. I had parked on a main street and before the hour was up I went to move my car. I noticed I was chalked. I found another spot around the corner in an alley. Reparked my car, came back later and received a ticket. I tried to fight it and the clerk told it "doesn't" matter.

[@mikezupancic2182]

Cleveland, Ohio used to do this. I don't know if they still do.