Federal Punch 9mm VS .38 Special ULTIMATE Test

[@GunSam]

This was my first time using gelatin, so I didn't realize that the clarity from the overhead camera wasn't going to be very good. Next time out I will figure out the best way to record side shots of the gel. Edit 3/29/21, this is my solution: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iIubp6qBf9lneK8

[@joemorganeatmyshortschannel]

very cool dude i have a mag of 9mm hst in a 17 round g3 mag for my g2c the other three out of box i fed to my g2c and proved it functioned a mixed mag of misc ammo it ran well and that hst stuff out of 3 in barrel isnt screwing around i think its fine ammo in 9mm.

[@dirtsailoroff-road5580]

can you make a short video comparing firearm sizes. I have alot of experience with semi autos, beretta, m&ps, glocks ect but almost know nothing about revolvers. I was looking at getting a 4 inch 686 or something like that with a boot grip to conceal. but I haven't handled too many revolvers but I want to get one to conceal part time and be a woods gun part time.

[@joemorganeatmyshortschannel]

@@dirtsailoroff-road5580 great idea as for the choice id say thats a great gun they work very well

[@Win94ae]

If you had a board over the gel to block the sky's reflection, it should do much better. I like the gel better, even though I did like that you simulated bone before.

[@ryancawdor8083]

Try a dark base covering. It will high light the lighter bullet tracks lit by the sky.

[@timsmith5837]

I believe I can speak for many when I say we appreciate your efforts making these videos. I really enjoy your content. Thank you

[@GunSam]

Thank you and thanks for watching!

[@Ifoughtpiranhas]

The local grocer now has a surplus of baloney packs since Gun Sam has switched to ballistics gel.

[@GunSam]

To be fair, I haven't really switched, but I will use more gel than I did before obviously.

[@timsmith5837]

Meat pack in front of gel would be interesting.

[@mitubogoogle]

😂

[@Southernguitar74]

This channel is grossly underrated. Your efforts are helpful and much appreciated. These tests give us some very good information. Thanks a bunch, Sam.

[@GunSam]

Thank you.

[@joeltowle2737]

That's why we love the .38 Spl!

[@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295]

I take my model 36 over a sub compact block any day

[@memezoffuckery3207]

It’s 45 ACP or nothing

[@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295]

@@memezoffuckery3207 45 AARP

[@randomgamer-st1ie]

@@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295 bet you wont stand in front of one

[@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295]

@@randomgamer-st1ie Nope, getting shot once with a .44 special was enough

[@professorpewpuew]

The beginning of a new era. I'll miss you Bologna pack!

[@GunSam]

I don't intend to get rid of it entirely!

[@professorpewpuew]

@@GunSam It's what made you, you. On the other hand, you could very well show that the old test is just as good as gelatin if you shot them side by side.

[@mpdjr77]

So many thoughts whirling about my mind, but DUDE!!! You are quite The Marksman. Tight groups with a .38 Snubby??? Much respect. Before being blown away by your shooting skills, I was already thinking about how impressed I was by your conceptual approach to the whole test. SO thoughtful and helpful. I carry between a Glock G19 and G26, so your comparison of the two 9mm barrel lengths really helps me. Also, my BUG is a ported 2” Taurus Stainless .38 Special. I was very interested in seeing how my 2” barrel compares to a 4” barrel revolver. Also, I much appreciate your calm delivery and complete absence of political advocacy. I’m a new subscriber to your channel, now. Thank you. Grace and Peace

[@troy9477]

Nicely done. Great idea, comparing 2 barrel lengths with each ammo. The results prove why many of us still use the 38+p for most purposes. Enough performance without being too much, and fine accuracy.

[@hargieboo]

The "Jug Or Not" has become the "Gelly belly", simulating 15 inches of belly fat.

[@mitubogoogle]

Stubborn belly fat😁

[@tiburonrojo1975]

38 special all the way! I'm glad I just bought my first revolver an old Smith and Wesson model 15-3

[@babyblue8214]

you're on your way to becoming the new Tnoutdoors9!! its awesome to see ballistic gel now..

[@GunSam]

I actually use to watch a lot of his videos. I found it funny as for awhile people were saying "you're a Paul Harrel Wannabe!" and it was before I knew who Paul Harrel was lol, but if at the time they would have said I was a TNoutdoors9 wanna be, I would have somewhat agreed.

[@babyblue8214]

@@GunSam I was swearing up a storm when he quit for the 3rd time!

[@moderatemexicanamericanpat4904]

@@GunSam i found your channel when Paul mentioned you, that was 3 accounts ago lol.

[@freedomfirst5420]

Agreed!

[@SaintBrianTheGodless]

Ballistics gel! I like it. Not that the box was a bad thing, but this is just so much more visible.

[@GunSam]

I will figure some better way to make it more visible as the shots go in.

[@turbo-bike7999]

I certainly enjoy watching ballistic research and the comparison between cartridges. You’re comparisons have become my favorite because you now use the chronograph and ballistic gel. Most important you compare apples to apples, you don’t show a bias as MOST do. I’ve seen people compare full power 10mm against 45acp target loads and say see 10mm is more powerful. Well look at your test median, it’s a biased test. Anyway, keep up the excellent work.

[@d30gaijin]

Your tests of this new breed of .38 Special ammo makes me want to haul out my 4" Colt Police Positive revolver and reconsider it as a defensive pistol. Thank you for your excellent videos.

[@GunSam]

Thanks for watching. I have noticed over the years that a 4" revolver with .38 Special is about as good as it gets for a well rounded setup.

[@jasonashley3393]

I'm buying some of this for my model 15 combat masterpiece.

[@joehelvey5794]

That’s screamin fast out of your M&P and I’m seeing the exact same thing in my p30 longslide. I stumbled onto 100rd boxes of Winchester’s Active Duty modular handgun flat nose 115 grain ammo and its advertised is 1330! 9 of 10 were over advertised, that’s a +p+ rated military round and they are bad ass! If you see it, buy it, trust me, they are accurate and hit bowling balls like little hammers 🔨

[@elblancobasura]

I have a confession....I gave this video a thumbs up before I watched the entire thing based solely on the fact that the video was done at all, considering the ammo shortage. Plus I had a strong suspicion no matter what happened in the video I was going to appreciate most, if not all of it. Of course, I was right. Thanks for the video! I definitely wanted to see what these loads would do. Excellent.

[@GunSam]

Thank you. You are the type of subscriber I appreciate, as you sort of admit you watch me to watch me, as I entertain no matter what. Some people are rude like one guy told me last night he's done and never watching again because I did this one test with gel. That's more or less saying he's using me for info, hates my personality so what might I do now isn't a use for him. So good riddance lol. I actually told him I was blocking his comments as a service to him, so he didn't feel tempted to comment on my videos from now on.

[@EricBaltik]

I still preferred the bologna pack vs. just 4 layers of denim. But overall, still an awesome test! Thanks for making this video.

[@michaelpage4199]

Great review. I really liked you barrel depth gauge. Also nice job indexing those two wheel guns on double action. Revolvers rock it.

[@northernninety7]

Damn! 1287 fps out of a 5 inch bbl? Thats nuts for 124gr standard.

[@sleepingdogs5286]

You know I thought I wanted you to start doing ballistic gel but I was wrong!!!

[@johnparrish9215]

I wish the ammo companies would come out with a new cartridge that would cost nothing to develop. The 357 Special The 38 Special is loaded to a maximum chamber pressure of 20k psi. 357 Mag is 40k psi and 9x10 is a little over 30k psi. If they made 357 Special loaded to 30k psi and simply listed what revolver were safe to shoot it, that would be great.

[@GunSam]

I have actually thought that one out for awhile and know the solution. If someone just made a .357 Magnum cartridge, and loaded the bullet deep like a wadcutter, you would be at about a 9mm powder charge, pressure and energy with the same felt recoil, and because the case mouth is still .357 Magnum, it would not chamber in a .38 Special revolver. The only issue is that you really want a rounded nose HP for a round like that, and the case mouth with no bullet up to it, could potentially bend and then it would chamber in a .38 special revolver. The best option is the .38 Special 130 gr HST bullet, but it's a little too wide of a HP to use at velocities over 1,000 FPS.

[@Robin6512]

so in short: both will do what they suppose to do. Great vid. Thanks.

[@ShaunPanzer]

Was looking forward to this vid with the gel ! Not disappointed ! I like the overhead view !!!

[@GunSam]

Thanks, the lighting overhead is a bit less impressive than I had hoped for, so I will probably use a side camera angle for my next test with the gel.

[@ryancawdor8083]

I like the new test format. Gel and both barrel lengths. A number of people prefer the longer duty barrels with the various ammo, such as I prefer 3 and 4 in 38 spl, and would like to see the performance from other than short barrels, and visa versa.

[@krashdude1]

Excellent video. You provide very useful and applicable information. Thanks. I have found the 9mm Punch for about 30% less cost than the HST 124.

[@KD-lb9bg]

I give a thumbs up to both of those loads, especially the 38. Thanks for the testing.

[@powdermonkey5183]

Love the new gong. Way better than the old propane tank. You can actually see your hits and the energy they have. Thanks you for the hard work and great videos keep them coming

[@GunSam]

Thank you. I have a ton of defensive ammo to test, like 10 boxes of Buffalo Bore various calibers and Silvertip in several calibers.

[@40beats93]

I can’t help but give it a like because of the effort you put in

[@TheRios7018]

Wow that .38 is very impressive! Nice video review like always sir!🇺🇸💯🗽👍🏼

[@johnclark5695]

Modern jacketed bullets are designed to expand at the average velocity of the intended cartridge/firearm they are used in. Higher velocity does not always give better penetration. A real advantage of the 686 over the M&P is that you can dial in the sights to coincide with POI, with the M&P you have to match the ammo to the sights. Good video...but the water jugs and baloney are more entertaining .. :)

[@redstick9518]

great review. thank you very much. got an opportunity to pick up some 38 special punch and did not know whether i should go for it. a little pricey at $26.99 for a box of 20. but i guess in this day and age i should get it. i have a 1.875 inch barrel s&w airweight and glad you did a 2 inch barrel test. thanks again

[@wiseguysoutdoors2954]

My Rock Island Armory m200 38 special loves the punch and puts them in a 4" circle at 50 yds, out of that 4" barrel. Good stuff

[@steveo85]

More top quality content. Thanks! The accuracy issue is interesting. Paul Harrell has a good video about carrying what you practice with because of this same point of impact variance issue between cartridges. The 9mm velocity is impressive but you have get them on target.

[@Win94ae]

Indeed, some ammo has a vastly different POI at 25 yards.

[@mspeed1991]

Best tid bit from this video: Always test your defensive ammo for accuracy amd pick the one that performs the best in your gun before carrying. Nice video!

[@chasa4347]

very nice. I've got a little S&W 640pd, 357 mag is brutal through it, looks like punch might be the best carry round of ammo that is available now. Appreciate the video!

[@davidcunningham6856]

That was definitely entertaining Sam! The ballistic gel is cool but, that new gong is sweet! It was really hard to track your shots on the old steel tank. Like a channel reborn now! Plus, I actually just purchased 9mm PUNCH ammo recently, great too see it in action. Thanks for sharing.

[@buzztp5119]

OH MY GOD !!!! You just shot all the ammo left in America !!!!

[@GunSam]

lol, I got a lot more than that

[@richarddixon7276]

@@GunSam Don't tell people that , You'll have so many New Friends You'll not be able to get out of the house ! for well wishers wanting to borrow or buy some off You .

[@jfowler7604]

Although I handload (and I'm even messing with reloading primers) I've been looking for some Factory carry/defense ammo for my 856 for some time. Found some today and it was Federal Punch. I'd never heard of it but it was the first c/d ammo I've seen in months so I bought some. It was great to get home and see some testing & now I feel good that I found it. Thanks for the video.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Just for the uninitiated: point of impact issues with handguns will shift depending on the chosen ammo. If shot perfectly horizontal to the horizon, a bullet will immediately begin falling the instant it escapes the barrel. How far it falls is merely a factor of how long it is flying before it impacts. In order to hit something at a given distance, the gun barrel is actually titled up from the horizon to direct a rainbow shaped arc and ensure impact. This means the flight path will cross the line-of-sight twice if the distance is far enough.

[@ted.angell7609]

The end of an era. Glad you’ll still be doing the old Jug Or Not too. Will be interesting to see the comparison.

[@GunSam]

Well, I don't see much of an end of an era, but maybe the big boys will take notice of my work.

[@BellDavidE]

Congrats on your first gel test. I liked it. You know what else I liked? Your camera angle on the chronograph. It's a more nature angle to my mind when you're shooting left to right. I was hoping you were going do at least one Jug-or-not test to see how well your equivalence theory held up. Nice video.

[@GunSam]

I think I probably will do a side by side of gel to jugs at some point. Sometimes my chronograph angle is different as I have to situate it in such a way that the chronograph face does not glare. But recently I been using a camera tripod that has more adjustments, so i'm able to keep it in the same spot, it's amazing as just half an inch too low or high and there's glare, but with the right angle you see the number in 3D almost lol

[@bigoz7]

Great video a lot of information on this vid! Thank you for taking the time to put it together for us!

[@YellowHammer26]

I have all those barrel lengths in those two calibers so I really appreciate the ammo review in each. Seemed to all work pretty good to me. Excellent review, thanks.

[@GunSam]

Thank you.

[@oldcop18]

Impressive marksmanship w/the snub Sam

[@traumajock]

I thought I was a fairly well informed shooter. I admit I have never heard of Federal Punch ammo.

[@GunSam]

It came out maybe a year and a half ago. It's more or less like how the Critical Defense is compared to Critical Duty (LE VS CCW Citizens) but in reverse order, as Critical Defense came out long before Critical Duty, but Federal did their HST for law enforcement long before their Punch for citizens.

[@danoneill2846]

Yep looked Good !

[@Wadzillia]

I bought some the last time I seen them in stock. That was about a year ago.

[@davidlee8551]

Thanks for the tests of different barrel lengths, revolver, And semi-auto. Great work.

[@v.german11b]

Outssstanding! Thanks for sharing your experience with the Federal Punch.

[@dangerman007]

Thanks for testing these rounds. I've seen them for sale on Gunbroker but was leery of investing in them till I saw some testing. This is a round I would buy now. I will admit that I prefer watching you get covered in bologna, but then again I don't pay for your laundry so I will have to accept the gel.

[@GunSam]

Thanks for watching. I think I will still do some bologna testing also. It's a delicate situation as my subscribers like the bologna damage, but the people higher up and seemingly more legit in testing use mostly gel. I'm a little torn. I thought about doing bologna pack, one gallon to catch the debris then gel, but someone told me any water getting into the block is bad.

[@dangerman007]

@@GunSam I think your testing is more real world that gel.

[@gunyo77yt]

Love your visual aid.

[@jimmyruger7529]

damn Sam , your sure do study n get down to the Nitty Gritty. a variety of knowledge is a fruit of life

[@jasonvoorhees2701]

That 5 inch with the punch is knocking on .357 sig territory....

[@addytuney2028]

Thank you Sam! nice to see you mixing it up a bit.

[@GunSam]

Thanks for watching!

[@mtm7014]

Excited for you next level of testing!

[@mikeferry8038]

One of my go to video guys

[@Fudmottin]

I don't know how I missed this video before. I ordered a couple boxes of Federal Punch recently to see how they do in my M&P340.

[@GunSam]

It was my first ever gel test. I have tested these again after this a few times.

[@Titan500J]

Great video as usual. However I personally like the water jugs more on several levels. Damage to the 1st jug and let's face it, far more entertaining. Best!

[@GunSam]

Thanks. I get a mix of reactions from, "I like gel better" to "I like jugs better". I will probably do a mix of both, maybe some in the same test from now on.

[@greghemlock6679]

Very nice work on this test

[@GaudyButtons]

Many shoot gelatin. The bologna pack and jug-or-not box set you apart. Keep up the great work! Love the content and presentation.

[@GunSam]

Thanks. Did an experiment where I found the bologna/MDF pack represents 7" of 10% Clear Ballistics. This gives me a great way to get what I feel is the best testing method, but to also give a solid penetration number with.

[@black_dog_barks]

Love Federal HST, never seen punch anywhere...ammo is becoming barrel length critical...you got a keeper in the SW 9 mm...I 'd invest in green fiber optic night sights...it will improve your groups...and the 25 yard shots...have it done by a Smith who can bore sight tbe new sights...love love love clear gel for ammo videos...you are now in the upper teir of reviewers....clear gel gives consistent comparable results....someone else mentioned....you are the new TNoutdoors9..

[@EternallyThankful-os6pz]

Great test - results were both expected and surprising...thanks for sharing. BTW , you are a great double action revolver shooter - that takes practice and skill to be able to ring steel with a revolver in double action...I know because I stink at it !!!

[@ED-2.0.9.]

Despite the brochure/instructions, *Do NOT* reset in an indoor oven. Fumey as all get out and left a wet film on inside of oven first go'round. Wife was fit to be tied. Haha. I do debriding and postmortem and melt the chunks in a dedicated cheap roaster oven and pour the melted gel back into the moulds from there (and a roaster pan itself makes a fine mould as occasional option).

[@GunSam]

I ordered the FBI mould and some release agent, as well as the 18 quart oven they sell. I have a garage with like 21 outlets and a cement floor so i'm good to go!

[@ED-2.0.9.]

@@GunSam Perfect. My first foray (maybe three years ago?) was a disaster. Stunk up the house to a near eye sting level and that obnoxious film on the inside/every nook and cranny of the oven was miserable to get out.

[@Arman-jx7hu]

Odd, I have never had an issue with the melting of clear ballistics gel in a kitchen oven. A little smell I admit, but nothing that bothered me. No residue on anything either. The gel melted perfectly and clear as a whistle at 250 degrees.

[@ED-2.0.9.]

@@Arman-jx7hu yep. low temp is way to go. I likely near burnt that first block I'd acquired (a long-range shooter block, I want to say 20x10x10), as it was tinged yellow and with that oven filling quantity/mould, I had kept checking on it and bumping the temperature up and up until I realized that I'd overdone it a scosche. I now set my roaster oven to around 235 to 240 and let it simmer overnight and they come out clear. Two full roaster oven pours will fill that long-range shooter mould near perfectly. I get a bit of a seam in the center doing it like that, but it works fine.

[@freedomfirst5420]

In my personal experience, with the same barrel length, the S&W M&P has higher velocities, than a Glock.

[@GunSam]

Seems about right. Can't wait to run the Buffalo Bore 115 gr+P+ I have lol

[@Graydog-sx6le]

Good revolver action. Very accurate. I’m decent but nice groups.

[@GunSam]

Thanks

[@jasonsliger5430]

Looked like a big difference in energy on the steel plate between the 4 inch and 2 inch barrel .38's. If I could conceal the 4 inch, that's what I'd carry. Thanks, take care!

[@GunSam]

Thank you.

[@kylemcmillan2480]

Great shot group in double action.

[@beezyman8226]

Did anybody notice that wound channel from the .38 snub? It was really impressive

[@kenycharles8600]

This is an interesting and fair comparison. Thank you for your presentation.

[@GunSam]

Thanks. I have since made a "gel shelf" as the overhead view was bad.

[@simonnwmn]

Thanks a lot brother for your work and effort , excellent video, great.

[@BluePatch-pc7sx]

Thanks Sam, Well done sir

[@frankbutta9344]

Thanks for doing all of this testing, Sam! It really is useful info. 👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@GunSam]

Thanks for watching!

[@cajunstacker1376]

Thanks for all you do

[@tonienichols3922]

I've seen several instances now in which you're not sure where your missed shots were going. Have you thought of putting a white paper barrier up behind the gong to show whether you're high or low? Maybe a large piece of cardboard sprayed with white paint?

[@bobcatforever3485]

Another good and interesting video. Also nice 25 yard shooting with the two revolvers. Take care.

[@GunSam]

Thank you. You too.

[@derekp7269]

Love all your videos. Love my wheel guns!

[@michaelhedgepeth5106]

Good stuff 👍

[@GunSam]

Thank you.

[@Watchamacallit]

I've looked at a dozen website and KZbin reviews of Punch ammo and nobody seems to be able to find anything wrong with it. Apparently it penetrates and expands very consistently from all kinds of firearms in all kinds of media. A couple of sources even found it pretty comparable to premium Federal HST which has its own cult following. And the kicker is that Punch seems to be readily available on Federal's website cheaper than almost any other defense ammo from Federal or any other manufacturer, and apparently they'll ship any quantity for $13. It looks like Federal's ballistics engineers royally crossed up their marketing people by coming up with a cheaper cartridge that out-performs many of their pricier offerings.

[@kristophercastro9034]

This video was excellent.. my Taurus M65 shall do great with the 4” barrel ⚡️

[@timrobinson6573]

This isn't a flippant question; What's the point of a 38 spl+p revolver? Why not use a revolver chambered in 9mm? I know that there aren't a ton a 9mm revolver options but there are some. It seems like the variety of 9mm ammunition would allow you to have weaker loads up to very powerful loads.

[@GunSam]

A lot to it that makes it not so simple. Mainly, the pressure of a 9mm cartridge means that it has to be built with the same materials and strength as a .357 Magnum revolver, so seeing that .357 Magnum revolvers also chamber and fire .38 Special, it makes more sense to just make .357 Magnum revolvers. Second is ammo. While moon clips and all of that seem great, you have to be picky with ammo as 9mm ammo does not use a roll crimp, so some 9mm ammo can have the bullet pull from the case in the yet to be fired ammo in the chambers, under recoil. Thirdly I would say that revolver guys prefer revolver ammo, and the small market for revolvers is going to be from guys wanting to fire .38 Special or .357 Magnum, or like me I like .327 Federal Magnum, .32 S&W Long and .32 H&R Magnum.

[@stephanmackie5281]

Would have been good if the 9 was +p also. 9mm walks all over 38 all day. Unless your talking about .38 super of course. Can’t believe you were getting those velocities from a standard pressure. Wow

[@franks6857]

Good video as always. I really appreaciate the time and effort you put into your work. 👍

[@GunSam]

Thanks. Sometimes there's quite a bit of work, but I often don't realize it as I am so focused on the production and also having some fun.

[@ratagris21]

Great video, testing, and shooting. Looks like a good round for defense. Glad you switched to ballistics gel. 🎩♠️☯️

[@GunSam]

Thanks. I plan to use both mediums from time to time.

[@ratagris21]

@@GunSam sounds like a plan Sam.

[@geoffreycotter]

you have a very professional presentation on handgun ballistics.please , sometime do a session on the .44 magnum s&w 2.5" barell. thanks,G.C.

[@alexsmith0013]

Great video. Very concise and informative. I found this information very useful. Keep up the good work, Thank you!

[@GunSam]

Thank you.

[@charlesphillips5906]

The woodland critters are going to be looking in vain for their bologna 😷

[@GunSam]

I took some with me in case the .38 in the snub failed to expand entirely. I never needed it, so I took it with me. A raccoon had a tear, and the birds got their tail feathers in a bunch.

[@scottcampbell7944]

.38 special is the clear winner since you can hit the target with it.

[@swedeson6188]

Thank you for another great video! I would like to see a video when you shoot the Jug or not box compered to ballistic gel with the same denim in front. Of course with the same ammo.

[@GunSam]

Thanks. I may do it just to see what happens. I think some ammo probably is exact to my claims of penetration, but it's possible other ammo might not be. And of course, fiberboard that don't make a difference on high powered rounds will make the difference on low powered rounds. So 9mm+P if I say "15 inches", this would be dead on but .380 might not expand in gel, but would in my bologna pack, this would change it up a bit, not that in general the calibration is wrong, but an expanded bullet will penetrate less.

[@swedeson6188]

@@GunSam That is what would be interesting to see, the difference, but also whats about the same.

[@terrymcknight4167]

Good video. Would be interesting to test your 327 Fed Mag carry rds in the gelatin for a comparison.

[@GunSam]

Thanks. Yes this would be cool to see as there really is very little info on that. I would love to see how it does in a snub VS a 9mm+P in a duty size gun, as this is a comment I get a lot like "what do you think the stopping power is for .327 Federal Magnum". While there's no way to know, if we get similar energy, penetration, bullet expansion and "wound" track to a known round, this is telling that the percentage is similar.

[@cia290]

I would like to see you test out the 9mm offerings from defiant munitions. He says he makes the best stuff and I would just like to see what you come up with. TCX is his money maker.

[@podsmpsg1]

I just picked up four boxes of Federal Premium Punch a week ago.

[@Johnny-jr2lq]

Great video brother

[@GunSam]

Thank you

[@jalan8171]

Sam, Please do not eliminate the H2O jug or not testing. For those so inclined to try duplicating your results, the H2O jugs are far easier to obtain and utilize from a similar fixture. Enjoy your channel. Have to ask are there circumstances that would have you consider switching to another platform such as Rumble ?

[@GunSam]

I plan to switch to a bologna/MDF directly into gel platform. Not saying I will never use jugs anymore, but you have to understand that souring the jugs and the work to get them out there was getting to the point where I wanted to shut down the channel. It's too much. I prefer less to take out there. You must understand I sometimes shoot as many as 3 videos in one outing, and near 50 gallons of water is no easy to get out there.

[@jalan8171]

@@GunSam, I can rodger that. It's some work to schelp a bunch of jugs from the truck and stage them on the range then remove what remains for disposal. Appreciate your efforts to keep the viewership up to date.

[@shockwave6213]

These ammo companies need to start putting what barrel size they tested the ammo on to get their velocity rating. Or even better: Put the rating for 3 barrel lengths on the box. That would solve the issue of "Well, is this good for my compact carry gun?"

[@danielaramburo7648]

I have a question: what do you think of Winchester 110 grain semi JHP? What kind of energy does it have compared to the 125 grain?

[@GunSam]

I have never tested that, but typically 110 gr VS 125 gr if we compare them fairly, both +P or both not, we get about the same energy. If I recall right I did a Remington 125 SJHP+P test and in the snub got 225 ft lbs and also tested the 110 gr standard pressure SJHP and got about 200 ft lbs in the snub. I would call it that this means a 110+P should be more powerful than a 125+P, but I can't be certain.

[@danielaramburo7648]

@@GunSam does the 110 grain make for mass with higher velocity? Or is same velocity but the lower weight helps with the recoil?

[@aleksandrorlov1515]

Wow, 38 special perform even better from shorter barrel revolver and even hits the target at 25 yards. Thank you for the video. I have taurus. 357magnum 7 shot revolver. Think it will overkill. Better use 38 special caliber.

[@richarddixon7276]

Wow Sam , Your going the extra mile for us now ballistic gel ! , I see Your considering doing side by side jug/ gel tests which will be interesting . but something that I have often thought is , what is ballistic gel like when it gets really cold ? and will it affect how far the slug progresses through , seeing as how spring is on the doorstep and summer is around the corner it would be great if You could do similar tests same guns same ammo both mediums jugs and gel in each of the four seasons and a summing up and comparison of results when You've completed them all . Thanks Sam . Shoot Straight Stay Safe & Stay Well .

[@GunSam]

This is Clear Ballistics so it's synthetic, I don't think temperature will matter.

[@richarddixon7276]

@@GunSam I hadn't realised it was synthetic . AAR on Air , a UK airgun channel did an episode a few months ago about how to make Your own gel from stuff that can be bought from a grocers shop . Its a lot of messing about but really cheap , But then I was under the impression that those blocks where a couple of hundred $ each . After reading a lot of the comments and Your replies I now know better . I'm still learning something new every day . Thanks Sam .

[@GunSam]

@@richarddixon7276 Yeah it's really weird stuff, feels like if you were to make an entire block out of clear silicone caulk, really tough and rubbery.

[@richarddixon7276]

@@GunSam I wondered how they made it so clear , is one of its main components silicone ?

[@GunSam]

@@richarddixon7276 I really have no idea what it is made out of.

[@AlexanderBushi]

Thanks, great video.

[@GunSam]

Thanks!

[@andywilson8698]

Geeeeezzzzzzz that was some hot 9mm for standard pressure. Both seem pretty good to me though.

[@GunSam]

Yeah, very hot. The only one I have seen close to that is the Sig Saur V crown.

[@tonysid3563]

Liking and posting for the Al Gore Rhythm! Staying for the great info!

[@lordravenblade]

Wasn’t the .22 punch velocity rated out of a 2” barrel? Maybe those were rated out of a super short one too instead of the 4”.

[@ChiefX07]

I've waited a year for you to make this...lol. last year I commented have you got the puch .38 plus p. You said you were looking for some. I had had some at that time for personal protection