Fedor Gorst - Jayson Shaw | TURNING STONE 2024 | HOT SEAT MATCH

[@ponfiripatato]

The announcers for this match are absolute DORKS.

[@Krushard]

Funny how everybody talks about how modern players would've beaten Efren in his prime because of the better equipment, knowledge, and training. And the same people fail to understand the opposite, that Efren with his talent would beat all modern players if he were the same age as them now and had access to all this equipment, knowledge, and training.

[@72c20]

It's mostly the jump cue that helps players nowadays get out. But I do agree with you 👍

[@eitel10]

That's kinda the whole point. Efren in his 20's 30's was a great player and you could say maximized how good he could be...at that time. Players today have way more knowledge available to them with a low barrier of entry. The argument isn't that if Efren was born in 1990 he would be inferior to his peers. It's somewhat unique to pool also, because in other sports people have gotten physically bigger and a guy who was a 6'7" center in 1965 would get his lunch eaten if he played centers today.

[@user-lb8do4ew6k]

And if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass when he hopped

[@larryviars6199]

I don’t know Earl Strickland was in world and US 9 ball Championships and was 8/8. Efren was 2 of 4 or 5. I don’t think he dominated his own time. Maybe he came to the US too late but never dominated 9 ball world titles. Great player one pocket etc but he get credit for stuff that’s not true

[@joebradley1520]

I don't know anybody that's ever said that, if they did they don't play

[@joewoolford9140]

You guys are brutal in this match & I love it.

[@palidiciovermingagurainia1760]

Early to mid 80s was an unusually talented arena in pool- very special.

[@tastychemicals7830]

It was nice as fuck.. but Nooo where near the talent today my guy/girl.

[@steves2241]

I agree with you guys, I have played a lot on an old 9 foot Brunswick pool table and the pockets are so big it is ridiculous. All you have to do is roll a ball anywhere near the pocket and the table just sucks it in like there are magnets pulling the ball into the pocket. You play on a diamond table with 4.5 inch pockets then go to a Brunswick table with 5 inch pockets and it is laughable how easy it is to make shots. It's literally hard to miss, so all you have to do is worry about your cue ball speed and position.

[@tommorris8125]

Thanks Up State AL for letting Fedor stream this!!!

[@konnordexter8437]

The announcer saying Jason Shaw made a "dumb" move as he cleans the rack up like a true pro. That 7 ball was much easier than the combo with over a foot of separation

[@patricktalbert5279]

Thank you for hanging out and sharing knowledge. I was that Karam shot where he made the nine and you talked about Herman, but I haven’t found anything online to learn about Herman’s rail - bird info 🤠

[@Thebilliardman]

You two have it all wrong about Earl and Efren. They played with equipment that wasn't half as good as today's cues tips etc. Earl and Efren both are extraordinary talents and two of the best to ever play this sport of all time and no one can out kick Efren and won't ever.

[@udtojanpestillos2094]

Pockets in early era were huge

[@skipperry63]

Both amazing! Great match!

[@wolfspa1040]

Enjoy Your live streams, You two crack me up, with your comparisons to levels of skill from yesteryear to today, when your talking pure raw talent, the only one that comes close to Strickland today is Jason Shaw, & Earl has always advocated for tighter pockets, shorter time clocks, & fewer extensions, & was also the one who created the now so much utilized jump shot, & as far as Efren's talent & contributions to the game are unmatched, & at both Earl & Efren's age, are still no push overs, & kicking some ass, & the young players of today wouldn't be the players they are without their inspiration, but I can understand that Your deep love for Filler & Gorst creates some blind prejudice & can cloud one's rational thought, well until Jason blows Your mind again for a moment with his shot making abilities, of course until your beloved Gorst makes a shot, then you scream with joy like school girls, haha ,& don't get Me wrong, I'm a huge Fedor fan too......& oh, also enjoy Your giggly 4 grade innuendos about the young lady in the background, if you know what I mean, laff'n, classy,,,,,,remember nothing personal, just friendly conversation here..... Peace Out....Beyond p.s. - My condolences for Your loss today.....it's never easy

[@drewdrew7968]

To say "we are not saying anything bad about Earl and Efren," and then say Earl couldn't hold Filler's Jock will start an argument every time lol. Efren is still placing in one pocket in his 70's... I do agree with them saying today's players are better, and the Diamonds vs the Gold Crowns, technology, etc. The information that's available that's now available is a huge factor.

[@tycarpenter5880]

Earl has forgotten more about pool than these two clowns will ever know. Go ahead and block me now. Fools.

[@teutone5866]

Am I getting confused, or is the 1 racked on the spot, old style? I was a fan of old style 9-ball, where you could push out more than once and any time, then the other player could shoot it, or give it back to you. It was a completely different strategy, reduced the luck factor, and favored the better player. It made games longer though, so for TV they changed to single push out after the break, which used to be called Texas Express, and is the standard now.

[@rogerscottcathey]

Huh! Didn't know that. I also recall some old schoolers saying there was no push out at all, if you couldn't figure out how to contact the ball, you had the tie up a ball strategy, still going ball in hand. Calling safety was used for all ball calls in yet another regimen. I like the longer game, higher strategy stuff. No jump cues, but full cue jumps. In our local halls, back in the 70s jumping at all was forbidden over concern for the cloth.

[@justsomeguy6474]

Shaw owns this tourny!

[@robertmullinax5273]

"FedorAll Express"😁

[@johnmotto2266]

Let’s just see what the pros do. It doesn’t matter what y’all do. They are pros. Let them do what they do. Also I am too confused on why we need to see y’all’s face 😂

[@fliptk6772]

Some get their kicks from champaign. Cheers 🥂

[@duffyrobert19]

Agreed! If Fedor has this set up for getting his stream out, I'm grateful. However, there is no need for faces to be clogging the screen, or worthless chat room chatter about b.s. no one cares about. Also, on several matches, they go back and replay shots from previous racks while the current racks are being ignored! I can go back and replay at mt leisure, thank you.

[@vincent6692]

Thanks for the share.

[@joewoolford9140]

He’s fricken awesome boys

[@Danielortiz-xd5yz]

Good day to see shaw come back under dog from Daniel from San Antonio Texa

[@pamelacollins5108]

Comment that Earl Strickland couldn’t hold Filler’s jock was crude and disrespectful. Strickland and Efren paved the way for the present moment. Who do you think you are. What an egoistic perch. Show some class.

[@craigtiedemann1065]

Reading the rack. That was enough time to read a book. Lol

[@dragonflymike]

I did not just hear you say "shoot the poo" I spit cereal everywhere because of that

[@mka1147]

The lady with the nice… hat. 😂

[@steves2241]

I was going to donate to upstateal one time , because during one of his videos he said if you want to ask him about something email him, and he gave his email address, so I sent him an email, and he never replied to it, so I sent a 2nd one, and he never replied to that one either, so I never made a donation, and never tried to contact him again. It was about a business proposal, and when he did not answer me, we got someone else to video the tournament, they were paid well to do it too, so he not only lost out on my donation, he lost out on a good payout for streaming a tournament, Then again, he could probably care less about the little guys, and I am sure he is a very busy man.

[@RichardsWorld]

Sure they are checking out the rack to make sure it is a good rack, but if they see an advantage they will accept the rack and break accordingly.

[@collingagnon7859]

First mins in I’ll predict they talk about one pocket and how smart they are because they “graduated” to it

[@joncue0304]

Not sure who the one commentator is, but he CLEARLY needs a history lesson. These guys now are phenomenal, no doubt about it, but they also have perfect playing conditions ALWAYS, along with better equipment. A 4.25 inch pocket is only tight once the cloth breaks in, when it's fresh they might as well be basketball hoops. Those guys used to play on what was basically shag carpet that you had to read like a golf green there was so much roll. Probably the kind of guy that thinks LeBron is the GOAT, SMH.

[@simplelangperorock]

Totally agree. They even ride the wrong horse. BTW, They also think Fedor has Dig Bick.

[@robdetuinman2]

@simplelangperorock So you're saying Fedor hasn't? And you know how? Lol

[@joncue0304]

@@simplelangperorock LMFAO

[@joncue0304]

@@simplelangperorock Fedor is awesome to watch, but that commentator, SMH.

[@simplelangperorock]

*****1:00:20***** Great point… but what if it’s the other way around? What if Efren, Earl, Nick, Parica and all the greats 20-40 years ago ‘got a hold’ of “Technology” nowadays. How much do you think the “tech” will help their games if given to them @ their prime?

[@chrisp.9172]

That's the big difference! The Cuetec that Earl shot with was a POS! First time I saw him shoot his tip looked like he just glued it on and crooked at that, tall as hell, and not shaped right.

[@Krushard]

Exactly this. Commentators fail to understand that modern players don't necessarily have better talent(hardware), only software. Give old player's talent the same environmental advantage and nobody would stand a chance against Efren's mind multiplied by young age and technology.

[@simplelangperorock]

@@chrisp.9172 exactly.

[@simplelangperorock]

@@Krushard right on the money.

[@chrisp.9172]

Not only that, there wasn't as many opportunities as there is today. I live in San Diego and back in the 80's Keith McCready ( maybe the best in the world) used to come down from LA sometimes to play in the Tuesday night handicap tournament. $200 first place. He rarely won, which goes to show you how tough College billiards was. With the likes of Swanee, Billy Graves, Roy the cook, Coit and Steve Knight. Many other "A" players too..

[@danielhicks4826]

Dang Shaw he crushed put guys at the Mosconi cup. Team Americas got to get there mojo back asap man.

[@jonnycarroll6676]

Shaw took the gloves of😊f with that safety

[@palidiciovermingagurainia1760]

We never played big pockets in Chicago

[@lencac7952]

Obviously the legacy players of the previous generation were awesome in their day. And would still beat everything except the best pros. The current batch of young gunslingers are incredibly talented and skilled. They play tactics much more. Unlike the old guard. I've heard people in my loop say they need to change the 9 ball game to mitigate the effectiveness of these pros today. I disagree. I think they need to just make the course harder. Such as 4" or 4 1/4" pockets. And I would make the shot clock 1 minute with no extensions. Hand rack, no template. And the jump stick to be used only once per rack. And lag for break on any hill-hill game.

[@Blah938]

I saw The Nice Hat! First 😊😂

[@joewoolford9140]

It looks like Jason’s filling good to me.

[@timmonk4087]

Wow! Fedor has a clocked 30+ mph break. But your right. He has no power! 😂 hahahaha……

[@vishybreh]

Is it normal for them to rack for each other at this event?

[@nathankleespie621]

If your not a 700+Fargo stop taking about having pro cut pockets. They are only necessary to keep pros challenged and limit run-outs. For all you sub 700s ,If gold crown pockets are so easy why are you not a 700+player? Anybody putting 4.25 inch pockets on your table before reaching the 700s are just slowing their progression. Likely your position play is the reason your not a 700 it's not because you pocket balls so easy😂 wake up!

[@Brnjoku]

Any reason why playing on 4.25 inch pockets is bad as a non pro? I have a Fargo of about 385 but I play at a sub 5 speed I enjoy playing on cut pro pockets but I don’t get much practice outside of playing league once a week.

[@anon2414]

Dude who cares about your Fargo I'm like a 500 Fargo and valley tables are garbage I like playing on diamond tables. In my area all the bars are converted to diamonds now. Los Angeles county/Orange county border

[@freakoffear3823]

They still make delta 13 racks I have one

[@palidiciovermingagurainia1760]

Let Shaw live. People are going to short the #1

[@SRKanai1]

This is the first time that ive seen Shaw play with a carbon fiber shaft. Wonder which he's playing with.

[@Bobba8590]

Peri is his sponsor, do they have a carbon shaft out?

[@marianbrazdil6876]

@@Bobba8590i have not seen peri logo on his jersey during mosconi cup. He was only player without name of cue sponsor, so I was wandering whether he is still with peri. In the past he played whit carbon break shaft and leather top

[@SRKanai1]

@@Bobba8590 i asked the same question. I havent seen one and one isnt apparent on the website.

[@Bobba8590]

@@SRKanai1 maybe it's some sort of custom cue?

[@USMCKoontz]

Shaw has the Triple 60 Logo on his chest, but then signs with Jflowers shortly after this. Wonder what happened.

[@anon2414]

50:52 of course shaw knew it was easier to roll forward..he did this for psychological intimidation for gorst... Obviously not on Shaw's level but I do this all the time when I'm playing opponents

[@pb3302]

doesnt Feder have the same table at home??

[@Anvyl76]

Most important question: Who is that sweet lady in the backround?

[@davidnorman5488]

It's easy to stress how important the lag is......but when the first shot of the match is bobbled, it means nothing.

[@haho1770]

Được đấy thằng em

[@the_alchemy_method]

Why no ref?

[@dougdevore8377]

Hello from Victoria British Columbia Canada. I'd vote for Shaw if only he could stop POUTING over his misses and losses. Fodor is a pistol!!!!

[@johnconnell5086]

great quality match...both world class..could you put your screen in a lower corner ..it blocks the crowd...thanks

[@NathanMotsinger-l6w]

Is this a 7' or 8' table?

[@PlayMorePool]

Are you joking?!

[@djamo1969]

58:10. Balding dude who thinks he knows everything about pool should be a little more deferential to someone like Earl Strickland. Strickland has forgotten more about pool than that guy knows. Undefeated in World 9 Ball and U.S. Open Championship finals throughout his career (8-0). This guy is so dense that he barely takes into consideration how the equipment has helped people get better. Screw this guy. It’s about making me not want to watch his BS. If that guy doesn’t think Efren or Earl or Sigel wouldn’t be great today if they grew up with all the advantages that today’s players grow up with, then there’s no hope for him. Guaranteed he’ll be a grumpy old man about his generation in years to come. He also doesn’t realize that when you say derogatory stuff like “couldn’t carry his jock” to people from older generations, they take that as fighting words. He’s used to being able to talk shit and not having to back it up.

[@jamesfranklin5021]

When I turn a match on and hear you two Bias almost know something Idiots I turn the sound OFF and enjoy the match!

[@rogerscottcathey]

Not a fan of inset box. Why do we need to see commentators? I'll be muting but can't get rid of the interference of the vanity box . . .

[@offwiththeirheads4635]

Why does Pool have such poor commentators?

[@alisteringram1393]

Gorst the snake 🐍

[@artartful854]

I would love to see a money match with Harold Worst or Luther Lassiter who might miss 2 shots, ALL weekend, against these guys. Also not a 1 time world champ but 6 time world champ. I'll take Efren over these guys today anytime. Every generation proclaims itself better than the last and is not necessarily true. In Hockey they are bigger and faster but all they do is dump & chase with very little play-making, while all of the goalies are sieves. One never played goal on their knees hence the term 'good STAND UP' goal tender. If a goalie when we played, dropped to his knees, he was kicked out of goal. All today's goalies do today is hope the puck hit them. Filler played Efren in one pocket late 2023 and lost.

[@bejee45]

Jason Shaw was so classy in this match -- I've got a new found respect for him and his ability -- top shelf.

[@darinthesecularspiritualist]

nobody has gotten better than jordan. hear that lebron

[@badass77bowtie]

Damn you guys just going to call out Fedor for having a potential side chick like that....

[@karl69179]

no suprise the russkie goes down to eagle eye what going for 5 in row

[@palidiciovermingagurainia1760]

Feder isn’t over rated by my eyes watching him on this vid- he’s better than l thought he was! And l’m a bitch!

[@fedexho]

Is there a mute commentator button?

[@palidiciovermingagurainia1760]

Let Shaw live. Pool makes you more than a little crazy. about competition. about chances. about people trying to hurt you. but many years ago, you had to hit a bad rack before you could bitch- you couldn’t dance and hover before that.

[@LexNatural]

Come for the pool stay to see who will win the girl in the back.

[@lukeferry7880]

Has to be Kristina Tkach in the background

[@paintchip173]

Nope. I've seen that woman in the background of some of Fedor's other tournament matches. Guessing a big fan of his or something.

[@bgjb-r1499]

Maybe Jason Shaw’s wife?

[@lukeferry7880]

@@bgjb-r1499 cheering for Fedor?

[@bgjb-r1499]

@@lukeferry7880 Oh ok, well that wouldn’t make sense. Not sure who she is to be honest.

[@lukeferry7880]

@bgjb-r1499 Kristina Tkach is one of the top female pros and also Fedors girlfriend

[@bobbyjojo]

It should never be "winner break".

[@Blessed.2.Teach.4God]

No need to move your picture on the screen. No need to change the format at all.

[@scassidy77]

People get upset because you are very opinionated and don't have much tact or etiquette. You really shouldn't be commenting at all.

[@Billar-247]

If one comment on the streamers ability to comment on the match, does that makes one a professional critic?

[@mimpiyangterbeli3560]

Can i dissable the commentary??

[@larrycoffey4534]

The only reason people take offense to this is because he starts off the argument by saying Earl can't hold his jock. And second who the f*** is this guy I've never even heard of him so why should his opinion matter. When filler has five us opens and three world championships we'll talk. Plus Earl ran ten racks for million. This dude's only seen highlights. I've watched Earl personally many a times.

[@richardjames1405]

Efren would destroy these players in his prime. As earl would

[@markhowell3916]

Like Tiger playing Arnie.

[@JimmyNinja-wh4dm]

Efren is the best pool player to ever graze a table . Fedor is an extreme talent but would never have kicked at 2 different balls and miss completely. It’s like comparing Bron to Jordan . Bron is an extreme talent but he’s not the goat.

[@tonynaccarato4751]

You guys are a joke!

[@jonnycarroll6676]

Hit the hole poll man. Yank

[@doug8237]

No one is beating efren in his prime.

[@physicsguybrian]

Talking heads need to go.

[@joshklonowski5393]

Funny how you two fruits are all about the tighter pockets to separate the elites from the strong players. On the contrary on the 8-5 break you guys start cheering when Shaw scratches, celebrating his misfortune, so the match is more interesting. He’s making the tight pockets look like buckets so let’s celebrate that.

[@tyler_banks18]

That is not a 9 foot table lol. Are you crazy

[@johnevans1453]

We love watching racking! It's boring! No jump cues. Old timey tournament. How quaint. 🙄 What! No green cloth? I'm 68 in Oregon tournaments are booming. Fargo best thing to ever happen to pool. Templates & jump cues too.🎉

[@mka1147]

I jump full table with meucci.

[@LBos17]

​@@mka1147you're all pleased as punch like you just did something

[@djamo1969]

I don’t understand why people complain about watching something on KZbin for free.

[@konnordexter8437]

​@mka1147 honestly the jump cue ruined position pool. You have one player playing a perfect safety then the next guy just simply jumps and is out safe...

[@LBos17]

@@konnordexter8437 if you haven't seen the Joe Rogan impression of Earl Strickland you need to look that up right now, it's so funny

[@salsabil44]

What a crap camera angle! Why can´t all US tournaments be as professional as Matchroom?

[@markhowell3916]

That watch is more like 18k at most. Daytona probably 25k. White gold probably 60k , platinum prob 75k

[@Jmgoregrind]

Buy a $300 watch and give the rest to those in need. Ridiculous.

[@palidiciovermingagurainia1760]

Timepiece Gentle man ex follower?

[@timtrujillo1]

Like the pool action but don't care for the constant gab. I also am not a fan of the inset picture of the people doing all that gab.

[@coreyquante2616]

Its easy, when any of these modern day players win the amount of titles Eferan, Earl and SVB has then they can talk, if not shut up and keep chalkin!

[@joshreckless1529]

why the commentators gotta lowkey talk shit about certain players ? focus on the game we’re watching pls

[@jeffbillings5594]

The two most annoying, biased and disrespectful commentators I've ever heard

[@chelseacallahan7032]

commentators dont know how to play the game," their own admission" so they dont understand the equipment back then was complete garbage ...

[@anon2414]

1:00:20 nostalgia is a hell of a drug. Same thing with Jordan. they act like he's god... Jordan would just be another All-Star in today's NBA. So many guys today are as fast and can jump like jordan

[@ProblemChild-xk7ix]

Horrible announcers.

[@kenrodewalt5679]

Called him Putin.... That's bad Sportsmanship on Shaw....keep f- cking Politics out of Sports....😐

[@mileswindgate]

Shaw, all the way. 👍 Fedor, go home and stick to clappin' Kristina.