Feixiao vs Acheron : Who Offers Better Investment Value in Honkai Star Rail

[@EODGamerSG]

Acheron damage comparison E0 vs E2 vs E6 - kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJaXcqZ6ZdGrmaM

[@hydrainferno]

Why is Tingyun in Abundance 😂

[@numbuh98]

Acheron or Feixiao, which is the better investment. The answer is Robin.

[@trunglequoc542]

Yeah, I'm getting Robin instead of Feixiao next banner.

[@allstones1462]

Unfortunately and fortunately is that support always has best value

[@sydorovich2532]

Yes, especially if you have Ratio on your account.

[@Syaf07]

@@trunglequoc542 same bro, me too

[@aucii]

Literally

[@lachucholayil]

"for some reason you havent picked up acheron" no need to call me out, I had to skip her for Aventurine 🚶

[@Haki291]

you dropped your crown, king. 👑

[@constabrielbell4523]

Good choice

[@flowery3442]

Aventurine/a good sustain will always be a better option. Besides, he can do in any team. Not only fua

[@minghanchua8462]

Why not just get both? I got both of them and Acheron lightcone f2p

[@nevermind9835]

@@minghanchua8462then you got lucky/saved and skipped before that. I similarly got Firefly, her S1 and Ruan Mei as I a f2p once, but only because that was a lucky update, realistically, you need 70-120 pulls even for a single limited character (of course you may get lucky and get one in a single pull or get really unlucky and get one in 180), it’s not realistic to expect a f2p easily pull 2 limited 5* a patch. I tried to get Acheron but my priority was Aventurine, so I have a single Aventurine and no Acherons

[@shaine9968]

Acheron is hypercarry and feixiao is a team player. The only way to make it equal is to calc the dps of the whole teams then compare them

[@DestaLosta]

As an user that collect FUA units from Jing Yuan, I'm agree that FUA team damage is very high in total

[@WanderingPoro_217]

This is a "better investment" video. Even if you include Feixiao's BiS team, that still pales in comparison to Acheron's BiS team. Not to mention that Acheron doesn't fall off as hard without her LC and BiS team comp. Both gets a huge dmg increase and dmg loss with and without their LC and BiS team comp, but you'd be lying if you say Feixiao is more f2p friendly

[@jaloy9325]

Well Acheron's best team contains Robin now, she is always ahead of dps

[@pandmonium2428]

@@jaloy9325 robin only viable if u have gallaher in team otherwise sparkle just much better

[@zrckera]

@@WanderingPoro_217 saying that feixiao's bis team "pales in comparison" to acheron's bis team is wild. Everyone in feixiao's best team is doing damage. Acheron would have to go sustainless just to keep up in dpr

[@kimono38]

Yeah this is the important topic. I missing a lot of FUA premium units, so to get Fei Xiao and her team same investment like getting Acheron . Since i suspect Acheron will return in 2.6, this comparison is important for newbie to decide with team to build

[@yawngnil0]

You don’t need to invest that much in her since the only premium unit you want for her is Robin, Moze and M8 perform extremely well for her that you barely don’t even need to pull for Topaz. For sustain Aventurine is her by far her best but she work also well with Lingsha and Gallagher 👍

[@Sunrise20403]

​@@yawngnil0 Robin,Topaz and Aventurine

[@ACupOfWarmLatte]

​@@yawngnil0The issue I have with these kinds of advice is that it always ends with, "and for sustain just run Gallagher", because yeah why wouldn't you? He's insane for being just a 4*. But the issue is that at this point, everyone who has Gallagher, is already using the brother. No one just leaves Gallagher on the table, and the reality of the matter is that other than him, the F2P sustain options just flat out suck. Like genuinely, if your Gallagher is already being used, which is a very high chance he is, who are you gonna use for the FuA team. Fking Lynx? I love her, but she's just not... adequate.

[@FriedDoggy]

@@ACupOfWarmLatte TBF this isn't just a fua team comp problem. Superbreak and Acheron teams have no good f2p alternative 4* sustain also outside of Gallagher. He is just him. Edit: to add u kind of just need to choose one limited sustain and use Gallagher for other team currently.

[@redace4821]

​@@Sunrise20403Only Robin is a must needed investments for FuA, then Aventurine if there's no other available sustainer. Topaz without her LC only perform slightly better than Moze at E6 in Feixiao team. Sure you might not ended up getting any Moze, then there's alway March, free and E6 too.

[@barnemiryucal6249]

His takes and the comments takes being complete opposite is so funny lmao

[@thedg2531]

Bc tbh I don’t think it’s crazy to say that feixiao is not flexible at all. In order for her to do the high damage you’d want she needs very specific characters.

[@barnemiryucal6249]

@@thedg2531 It is crazy to say in comparison to acheron though, who needs 2 nihility chars if you dont invest for e2. The only “necessary” character fei needs is robin which in general is the core of FuA teams and the best harmony char after ruan mei.

[@fadel4814]

@@thedg2531same for Acheron lmao. You need at least 2 nihility chars in order to activate her trace bonus.

[@thedg2531]

@@barnemiryucal6249 yea but In turn for her 2 nihility requirements she does way more damage than fei, if you want fei to do damage that gets close you need robin, adventurine, and topaz

[@maxmustermann5849]

@@thedg2531 fei bis fua team outdamages acheron bis team. acheron solo deals more dmg

[@Blargah]

They pulled acheron cuz she's "OP", We pulled acheron so i can speed through story, SU and Daily's, we are not the same. Unless Fei has a technique that's better than Acheron she's just someone that does damage. QoL people QoL overworld farming -1 hour, SU 1.5x FASTER. OP = Over Powered QoL= Quality of Life

[@literallyhuman5990]

I pull Acheron because she's part of the mei-verse And now I just need mommy ely

[@romo7406]

Me too

[@Xaerjin]

Regarding the power creep potential on Acheron - She has been out for a while, which might imply that power creep could come sooner (as @EODGamer says in this video). The problem with that logic is that Jiaoqiu was clearly released to be a best-in-slot for her team. By power creeping her (particularly by having bosses that are highly resistant to debuff), you would also be imposing power creep on him as well. Considering that he is so recent (literally still on banner, just one banner before Feixiao), I think that the Acheron team composition is probably safer long-term than is being implied here.

[@kitaisuru]

I wouldn't call that "powercreep". It's the same argument as making Firefly fight herself, or making Hunt character compete in PF, just pure meaningless. It's only "powercreep" if they release another character that completely overshadow her in her current role.

[@treysmith9371]

@@kitaisuru If they were to release new bosses with significantly higher effect res then that would essentially result in the same outcome. Acheron would fall in viability and relevance and current characters would replace her. In that scenario she’d still be power crept it just wouldn’t be directly by new units

[@gcsuddenlydavesHusband]

then theres boothill who was powercrept literally the next phase 😭

[@Gilaboyful]

So many videos back to back! Eod on a roll

[@TheNeoDaedalus]

One thing that Acheron does still have going for her is that she still is a one-size-fits-all charactera in terms of content. Fei just isn't as good at aoe scenarios, so if you aresomeone who struggles with content like pure fiction, Acheron will do more for you, while still carrying you with ease in all other content as well.

[@andreaswong8829]

The doomposting in these comments are hilarious, almost a guarantee that she'll be broken

[@anothernerdontheinternet]

Yep LMAO. Acheron was also doomposted and look at where she is now. The fact we are even comparing Feixiao to Acheron tells you how broken she will be

[@kennethyoung7457]

She already is broken if people looked at the videos of her all over youtube before they started getting deleted. A lot of them are still up though so no excuse why people acting like she is not strong.

[@jc09113]

almost always happens. Before 2.0 JL was also doomposted to hell and then she dominated for a number of patches. Samething will happen to Feixiao and every other dps in the future.

[@Rob.N.]

If we get an Erudition unit that does consistent follow ups outside their turn you could very well see Hunt x Erudition becoming a viable comp. Where the Hunt Unit is main dps and the Erudition is sub/main dps also. Basically, give me Erudition Topaz.

[@mokalevi436]

So kinda like Jade E1 paired with hunt units?

[@Rob.N.]

@@lalosult Herta requires the enemy to be at least at 50% ho before executing a follow-up. It's not good enough for what I'm thinking of.

[@kitaisuru]

Zero reason to do that. If you are fighting one big bozo, you wouldn't use Erudition Topaz, you would just use Topaz. If you are in PF, you should ditch Feixiao for another Erudition.

[@EdgarenhoHSR]

I'm not fond on the argument of characters being rerunned and staying meta relevant, see Jingliu. She was rerunned and only saw use on Aventurine MoC 12. So I don't think that's a good way to measure the quality of the rerun. Also for Acheron I think she will stay meta relevant for quite a long time. We just had her BiS support and she is very versatile. You focused on being teambuilding restrictive but didn't empshasized on how she plays into every endgame from decent to very well. Besides her teambuilding its not that terrible how many ppl say. Think about as a f2p you get access to the E0 char. You can play around with f2p characters for their teams, say Acheron and Fei. For Acheron you have Pela, Gallagher and you will lack another nihility. Might be premium might be another 4*s. For Fei you have moze or march. But you really want Robin AND Aventurine with her. While you could still play f2p options of course. But if you are gonna invest into another 5*s you might as well consider Jiao as your other 5*s for Acheron. So IMO versatility wise into teambuilding there's not much of a difference while endgame clearing potential Acheron plays into all content VS Fei only into 2 (not PF).

[@ethos728]

I think acheron doesn't play into pf as well as ppl say by herself. If you have dotcheron then yeah that works but that requires kafka + black swan. Basic acheron team whether thats pela sw or pela quinfen does struggle in pf keeping up with the stacks. This is somewhat solved by either sustain welt or praying you get enough stacks from trend on pres unit. She can definitely 30k if you try hard enough but it's not consistent by any means and often depends on the pure fiction buff. Yes ik with jiaoqiu it's a free 40k but I just think ppl really oversell acheron's viability in pure fiction when the reality is it's pretty scuffed without the right supporting units whereas in moc and apoc shadow she can absolutely clear with full f2p options very consistently.

[@EdgarenhoHSR]

@@ethos728 I personally own an E0S1 acheron that I run with pela, sw with aven with trends. And I always manage to consistenty get 30-32k on one side with her. So I don't see that being a problem.

[@frumpyk3245]

@@ethos728 She does acheron with black swan breezes through it. She's flexible in all game modes which makes her more valuable.

[@frumpyk3245]

In my opinion Acheron is the safer option due to the nature of her kit, with very low investments you can easily clear MoC due to her 60% damage buff from her traces while FeiXiao will really need Robin just months down the line as a staple for her due to the nature of buffs she provides to clear end game which makes her the more costly unit to perform well. Your points also further highlight that this video overlooks much of the value Acheron brings.

[@Radiant450]

@@frumpyk3245he said not counting dotcheron, because thats just a dot team, might as well just play robin in that dot team for almost identical if not better results, Acheron isnt that versatile tbh, heck even AS when the buff isnt great and enemies arent lightning weak, your average E0S0 or E0S1 team will struggle through it. She is only really great and can pull ahead often in MoC. Issue is a lot of people have her E2S1 with premium teams and they think E0S0/S1 have the same experience as them.

[@NS_Var]

disagree with feixiao being super flexible. she is pretty much tied to robin and high frequency sustain like aventurine. Also works better with high frequency sub-dps/debuffer. im really afraid that her BiS team is already here and she wont get much better. Plus she has worse scaling in exchange for more self-buffs, which tends to age worse (jingliu).

[@ACupOfWarmLatte]

Unless they just stopped releasing any FuA related units in the foreseeable future, which is basically impossible, FeiXiao's team will always continue to evolve lol. Her teammates's concept are very generic, "fast attacking stacker, FuA buff + Advance, sustain with FuA".

[@NS_Var]

@@ACupOfWarmLatte i would say its less generic than “debuffs”

[@yurimiracle7768]

i think jingliu being hypercarry and feixiao being team player really excels her over JL since you don't rely on just one unit to do dmg also there is still no really good supports (mihoyo where are they?) and content for JL while feixiao already can work with good amount of characters and slay

[@joaosantos-uj9uw]

@@ACupOfWarmLatteyeah but even within fuas they have to fill her specific niche and be better than the other options. I’d wager it’ll be over a year before they powercreep topaz, aventurine or robin

[@mongrelshadow14]

Robin is "pretty much tied" to every team because of how cracked she is. Even Acheron's BiS team now includes her. Also you do not need aventurine. You're describing the Premium IPC team but replacing Ratio with her. While that is a strong comp for her it's not the only good comp she can do. You can look up leaks and see robinless teams work if you don't believe. It's not even that she's super flexible it's that she has more options. Acheron is only played two ways. Dotcheron which is exclusively PF, or her normal Nihility setup. Feixiao doesn't have that limitation and thus is more flexible.

[@xvgarnet]

Making enemies with high effect res not only would affect acheron but all the nihility characters and others like ratio and aventurine. I doubt they would do something like that, especially since they just released acheron's BiS unit.

[@featherless2524]

I mean they already have enemies that don't attack and enemies that lock their break bar. I'd be more surprised if they didn't add ones with high debuff resistance or more lightning resistance enemies.

[@kennethyoung7457]

The better investment value is whatever character you like more. People using PF as this big negative against hunt when the most of the best dps for the mode are literally 1.0 characters like Herta, Clara, Seele and Himeko. You can definitely use both Feixiao and Acheron in all game modes its actually pretty good strat to have a strong single target type character and an aoe character in PF especially one that immediately follow-ups on an ally attack that is pretty much perfect synergy with Herta whereas Acheron is perfect with Himeko. Overall go for what you want theres a lot of "mains" out here trying to make characters seem much better or much worse than they actually are. Its hard to go wrong with either character you will still end up clearing the content and there is 0 "value" derived from pulling character beyond that unless you enjoy using them.

[@kazekori9593]

As a Clara main i dont think she belongs with the rest of the broken pf units cos it is very easy to kill her viability. Just look at what they did to the previous pf rotation to make yunli look better.

[@kennethyoung7457]

@@kazekori9593 I use Clara too and pretty sure I got 33k with Clara in that Pure Fiction but my other dps was Topaz mostly because I couldn't be bothered to switch characters. Himeko can also be very situational as well if your other dps cannot break enemies her viability goes down. I'm just saying the characters I listed are still great in PF most of the time even when at disadvantage their teams can adapt to these changes and reach a good score(30k and above).

[@dropshock284]

This is a frequent disagreement I’ve had with the community but I don’t believe Acheron is truly restrictive. That “restrictiveness” people talk about is really just not needing or wanting a harmony to properly utilize her kit. She benefits players who have or will diversify their accounts with characters who debuff. Similarly, Feixiao benefits players who have or will diversify their accounts with FUA and frequently attacking characters. In Feixiao’s case, I believe she is more an addition to existing FUA teams than a character who is your first heavily invested FUA character. I think she signals the end of the FUA meta-focus that’s really existed since about 1.6. Not to say she’s bad at all. She’s going to be an amazing character and, like Acheron, will last for quite a while in her proper team. Regarding how you make these characters irrelevant, what makes each of these characters so good is that enemy-specific restrictions are easy to work around. Enemies that resist basic debuffs or have higher eff res aren’t likely since we already had the eff res nerf in 1.1. And Acheron’s “debuff” isn’t a debuff that needs EHR to work anyway. With Feixiao, enemies that lock their toughness bar aren’t a significant issue. Every enemy like that comes with a way to counter that problem that is solved through proper team-building. Also, both characters will perform without a LC and certainly don’t need it, but see a significant drop without it. They feel like such similar characters in many ways. Ultimately, if I were to recommend either, I’d do it similar to your advice in a previous video. Choose a play style you like more and invest in the characters that benefit. It’s really the best way to have fun in this game. I don’t really care for Robin or RM’s characters in the story, but pulling them helped me have more fun playing with my DoT teams and Himeko teams, so I think that’s worth it.

[@Hyozanru]

Currently have E0S1 Acheron, It is recommended to each consider your pull depend on your current state of the account. "Pull for character that you like" takes priority IMO, but at the same time building a team around the character that you like also provides better value hence the better enjoyment of the game. Personally, I planned to pull on Feixiao for several reasons: 1. I considered my account to be complete fundamentally, but I want a Wind DPS elemental coverage since I lost 50/50 on Blade's banner. Regular Danny isn't gonna cut it on the state of the game. 2. I have bonkers Wind relic that been lying around waiting to be used, it is on 4* Dan Heng and I want to transfer it. this was my similar thought process when I was thinking whether to pull for Aventurine or not. I had 2 premium sustains at the time (Luocha & Fu Xuan), but I also had a nuts relic set and a Gepard LC. By acquiring him, I unlocked the FuA team archetype which becomes enticing to my account for the upcoming banner. 3. I am a P2P player but also have an F2P acc, I planned to splurge some if needs be. Please spend responsibly and only if you have a stable income. I know how scarce the resource of the game can be from an F2P POV

[@maxneuds]

In my humble opinion, if it's for investment value. Then you need to invest into 2 team archtypes. And best would be if one of these 2 is super break because super break has the by for best investment value. Why? HTB is for free. Firefly and Ruan Mei work without LC and Gallagher is 4*. 2 cost, peak damage and the damage can be scaled even higher with every investment up to 2 signature LCs and Firefly E2, Ruan Mei E1. After that it falls off. For the second team, personally, I think there are the following options: - DoT - FUA - Debuff I wouldn't invest in anything which isn't one of these 3 because general damage has no synnergy to scale with. Core characters: - DoT: Kafka, Swan - FUA: Robin, Topaz - Debuff: Acheron + 2 whatever debuff suppliers (e.g. Pela, Guinaifen) All of these are equally expensive. Team FUA currently has more options and scales better with each other in my opinion. DoT is very strong with just these two characters and will really take off the moment we get a real Limited 5* DoT DD. Investing into more than 2 Archtypes means worse performance in endgame than focused on 2 archtypes. There is also the SP burner archtype but Hoyo pretty much introduced DHIL and then ditched this concept. Sparkle has been added as quickfix and since then it's left dead in a ditch. HP drain is an addon you can find in multiple archtypes.

[@ryanclouse299]

I completely agree. I have a kafka that I was using for a while, but haven't been using her, so wanted to get swan in a rerun but kind of stumped, because I was also looking at robin which would be great to use with clara and ratio that I have. Moze will probably pop up in summoning which would be a great option to use with ratio. My thinking as of right now is to pull for robin, then try and get BS if I get lucky. At the very least I could use Kafka + sampo and robin for Dot and use Robin (and probably moze) with Ratio and Clara. Especially since I have RM tied to my break team lol

[@typeywypey1737]

surely they wont come up with high effect res enemies when jiaoqiu just came out, dot is rerunning, and theres the possibility of a fire nihility unit in the near future. tbh they wouldnt want to nerf everyones favourite characters too much unless they get exps as alternatives, so i would think nihility is quite safe

[@bad3ip2k10]

Being a Hunt already limits the game mode she can excel at

[@Dorian-sq1mj]

pure fitcion is not a problem since the top 2 characters are easy to get one is standard banner and the other is free

[@gem_ola6642]

​@@hachiman205bcs hunt can't do pf or bad at it, which is not the case with other path char, the only 1 who excel at all endgame is seele

[@hiroshi6699]

I played since Day 1 and Himeko doesn't exist 😢

[@Luke27WT]

the only thing she will be worse (definitely not useless) in, is PF. that's it. this is a downside of not only hunt.

[@bennogb5069]

​@@gem_ola6642let me see you use most non-AoE DPS in PF. Eruditon or rare causes like Acjeron are the only ones wjo ate good in it. Blast characters are not great either there. Its just a dumb comparison

[@browncaramelboba8408]

Feixiao still questionable about her performance in pure fiction since she is single target. However archeron with Jiaoqiu can do all endgame content. As for currents patch. Archeron is more profitable even though its just 800 stellar jade difference/patch.

[@aetriandimitri190]

Feixiao depends on the buff for pure fiction. Theres plenty of times where the waves have one big enemy and a buff of add ones that insta die from the fua buff. In those buffs the raturine team does really good even though its single target

[@aetriandimitri190]

@@kingsimba9513 past present and future can easily be done single target, plus the whole point of AS is more single target so it's highly unlikely they're going to randomly make it be multi bosses. And again similar could be said for Acheron, if enemies aren't electric weak and there's no buffs for her she's worse than other characters who are getting buffed. For feixiao follow up buffs are far more common than ultimate buffs, so her time to shine is going to be very common

[@Xtraflossy]

Fexfix is the Acheron of followup. There's no nuke for followup. Acheron is the nuke for debuff, firefly for break. At least in my mind cause I'm not counting Ratio for a few reasons. Did I just find out she does colorless break too? Lol. That changes things for me.

[@rexevan6714]

currently I have E4 Acheron. trying to get her E6 before pulling for another character

[@cosmologist_yat_21]

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[@Chuuya1._.]

The best thing u did in HSR:

[@BenTmbling]

Based on available resources, Acheron is more F2P friendly imo. You can get a full Acheron f2p team earlier than Feixiao.

[@ixywas]

thank you for the informative video it help me decide what i wanna do, i will pull for e2 archeon

[@Thivesh_]

Well there's a possibility of nihility mc , and Jiaoqiu will not be the last nihility unit to release, in that way , acheron is future proof but i think hoyoverse can make money from acheron is make more bis teammates and more variations of her team that are better than her current optimal team .

[@MozeFan]

In this kind of takes just take a look at what your account already has. You have Robin, Aventurine? Go for Feixiao. Moze is on the 4* lineup and E2 Moze is a great support for Feixiao. You pulled for Jiaoqiu, have Silver Wolf/Pela built? Go for Acheron. Already do? Try for lightcone or E2 then. You don't have Nihility characters to make Acheron work nor FuA units to synergize with Feixiao? Then go for Robin. Just literally look at what your account has + what kind of archetype you want to go for. FuA (Feixiao/Robin) and DoT (Kafka/Black Swan) are open next patch and I'd recommend people to go for the team archetype they like. I personally already have the premium FuA team so I want Feixiao just to have fun with more FuA hunt units. Topaz-Ratio and Feixiao-Moze combo on both MoC nodes would be so satisfying.

[@hdhdhvdjgdjjdbjdb5541]

Dont get trick by feixiao. You'll be surprised how bad she is if you don't have robin. Robin is the ruan mei on fua comp. You'll lose ton of dmg if you dont have robin.

[@lordzeref8175]

If you were to change in a Feixiao team a e0s0 Robin with a e0s1 Jiaoqiu, how much damage will you lose?

[@mongrelshadow14]

@@lordzeref8175 A lot. Robin might as well be carrying a massive spiked bat with how much damage she gives out on top of what she personally dishes after attacks. The main reason Fei likes Robin is because she advances the whole team forward. Doing so means more actions which means more stacks for Fei. It's not that JQ is bad for Fei Just that his value isn't as high for Fei despite his 100% uptime on buffs and a smidge ult buff.

[@Rob.N.]

Saw a 3 cycle v5 Hoolay without Robin, just Aventurine, Mozez and M7TH. I think Feixiao is fine.

[@mongrelshadow14]

@@Rob.N. Yup, you do not need Robin. Robin is just the one you'd rather not sub out if you can help it. It's like....running a Firefly or Boothill team and subbing out Ruan mei. Fei is not glued to Robin like FF/BH is to HMC or now JQ and Acheron.

[@DementedWisdom]

Robin is not a must. With my current team setup i tested with a e2s1 robin and a e2s1 sparkle for my 185 speed Feixiao and honestly my sparkle runs outshines the robin runs by a lot. Sparkle brings so much extra crit damage and ignore defence. Dont rly see why ppl dont even cosider her.

[@crusherjoe8520]

Anticipate big, revelatory, and surprising (if not shocking) stuff in 2.5 regarding a weekly boss, an MoC 12 boss, a healer, a Xianzhou general, etc.

[@ZharGzozo]

But for all content acheron is better tho, she can in AS, MoC, and PF, yes you need some unit to make her very powerfull at e0, and if u want to build the best team, acheron is cheaper to build than fei xiao, acheron still using pela, and meanwhile best team for fei xiao use all limited *5 And for a new player i think its easier to pull for acheron, she still have a good ST dps, can clear some mob (altough if u don't have JQ her ult quite long) Meanwhile for feixiao, she really struggle for multi enemy, also she ult charge also quite slow if u don't have a proper team, yeah you have some subs like moze, march hunt, etc but still not her best team Also for tank in acheron team u can use some perservation like fire TL with universal trend, or gepard with universal trend, or gallagher if u use jiaoqiu or don't use him for second team Meanwhile Feixiao in the best team pretty much just a replacement for dr ratio, also u don't really have a free/standart sustain with FuA (i mean if u think u can solo sustain with ice march you do you) the only quite okay with her is gallagher bcz of his AF, meanwhile acheron can use 3 best in slot f2p sustain Also for new player her technique is more usefull in exploration than feixiao imo just a bonus For a thematic like IPC team Stellaron, Galaxy ranger, tbh i think if they really care about this acheron definitly win she is the emanator also fan fav and a expy, for the general sadly we have a jingyuan (but he technically get the most indirect buff) also if u see for Genshin Impact (again i still think from thematic doesn't really said anything) all of the archon still very good till this day, yeh some of them is falling off but they never got powercreep to trash unit and yes maybe they not the best anymore but they still Top Tier I also really want to pull for feixiao she is really cool, but i only have robin, and i think if i using her without Topaz its kinda sad tho, the only good thing about her acrhtype we got so muvh FuA unit but thats also worry me just what if they release so much FuA unit then they stopped provide that archtype bcz its "complete" and they move on to another archtype well its just speculation Ah bonus its easier build acheron team than feixiao team All debuffer just need spd and ehr, ER rope, thats it, and bcz (we don't have a really good 4 piece relic set that really good with them excluding wind set) they best in slot relic pretty much 2 messenger and 2 random Meanwhile for feixiao, the buffer have a different stats (atk robin, BE RM, sparkle cdmg, etc) and spd, than the "support either moze or topaz or hunt march they need a crit stats too... So yeah a bit painfull

[@ZharGzozo]

Also holly i yapping so much

[@voidevoker44]

FuA as a whole is fundamentally broken concept. Fei Xiao can easily 40K PF with her premium team. So yeah I think Fei Xiao is more versatile than Acheron considering acheron becomes very weak against single bosses at lower costs.

[@Ocacadordecasadas]

​@@voidevoker44If you have Robin*

[@kurone5799]

that’s just you issue

[@Ocacadordecasadas]

@@kurone5799 It is right tho

[@voldendk2]

why did u not pull up boothill for alternatives for feixiao

[@natalies8498]

I will say - as someone who pulls most of my team based on how much I liked them as characters in story - so unexpectedly fell in love with Acheron in the Penacony story (tbh, I fell in love with that entire cast), and someone who is DEFINITELY F2P (the only 5* I have cons for right now is Bronya [standard really loves her apparently LOL] and HarmTB with no signature light cones... I am definitely someone who is mostly casual as well, and in that sense, any DPS that you like enough is well-worth it because they'll get you through the story and MOST of the content although maybe not all the endgame content depending on level of investment. Currently running my Acheron with Adventurine or Gepard on trend/Gallagher (I lucked out with the Penacony cast tbh) and a combination between Guai, Pela, and Black Swan and am quite happy with it. Even if I have her on a 4* GNSW LC at S1 only. That said, Feixiao was intriguing in the story so far, and my gut tells me she's the sort of character I'll also like- am excited for the story next patch! - so I'll probably try to get her with whatever pulls come in the patch. Currently back on 50/50 though so... we'll see. (-_-)"

[@eiji7439]

As of now, Acheron can clear up all 3 endgame modes with ease. Feixiao, in my opinion, would be excellent in AS & MOC but would be mediocre in PF.

[@Egalia_1]

Acheron is better *CURRENTLY.* Acheron is overtuned to hell and because of that she’s easily the best choice. However I believe Feixiao go much farther because anytime a new FUA character hits the game she gets better. Acheron needs hyper carry specific characters for her to work and by then we’ll probably have another emanator “do 1 mil damage just by existing” character. At least that’s my take

[@rrenpaii]

How does Feixiao get (significantly) better with new FuA characters? Topaz is still the best subdps for Feixiao. Their synergy is basically 100% and you'd have to release the ultimate Topaz power creep character that people would pull because its an 50%+ damage upgrade over Topaz in the current premium FuA team. Aventurine is a sustain with FuA and increases dmg dealt via ult. Robin is basically designed for FuA. I'd really like to know how exactly you want to power creep any of these characters in a meaningful way. Sure, there may be new characters that are similar in terms of performance AND can be used outside of FuA too, but blowing any of the characters above out of the water for the FuA team specifically without completely flipping over power dynamics in the entire game does not seem realistic.

[@dreameisters]

​@kingsimba9513 I see you have been spamming the same replies in the comment section.

[@kazekori9593]

It's hard to make a faster fua for more feixiao stacks simply because the animation would take time and having it repeat like thrice a turn will just be a pain to play.

[@Egalia_1]

@@kingsimba9513 there is a 0% chance the devs are going to let Acheron stay golden forever and let the entire game become “just Acheron or bust”

[@hellonyancat666]

Acheron is good in all 3 end game modes unless they add a FUA single target favored PF… but that would mean she’s carried by Herta anyways. I feel Acheron has a more rigid team comp but overall can get new life every time a Nihility unit comes out or a support that has debuffs. Feixiao is flashy and attractive so I might go for her though… (I don’t have Acheron or any of the “hyper carry” DPS except Jingyuan… DHIL and Dr Ratio but DHIL has not seen the light of day for a while despite having Sparkle)

[@luki2512]

I will say with power creep, the company want you to think these characters will be irrelevant in x months, but the truth is if you have a good build and a good team, older dps can still do basically whatever the game has to offer. In genshin i pulled hu tao when she first dropped in 1.3 i was still full clearing the abyss in sumeru (i dont play anymore). I had her c1 with her weapon but that took years because i pulled her c1 and weapon on reruns. Some dps will become very irrelevant in time but a lot of them will likely be very usable. Anyway very helpful video, thanks

[@SuperHaoken]

Well my Acheron is E2, and that E2 makes her so flexible. I guesse I have to get Feixiao's eidolons to be fair in terms of comparison.

[@thomasheerjr9268]

My jades are saying Feixiao is a skip. I have premium FUA, Superbreak with FF, and Acheron with Jiao. So if I get Feixiao, it's on a rerun.

[@gra4695]

I think there will be many Fua related buffs/gimmicks to compensate OP Acheron. like Penacony raptor hit counter and fear debuff if you dont strike borisin. Also Pf and MoC buffs will be more FuA oriented.

[@Gesfalthe]

I think Acheron being a bit ahead of every powerful dps in the game is fine. The lore relevance in the meta should absolutely still exist to a degree; her being an Emanator and all should be merit enough to keep her up there in the meta for at least another year.

[@Gesfalthe]

@@lalosult We're still in the dark about that though. It's greatly hinted that Lightning Lord is the emanator or at least a portion of an emanators power - kind of like how the stonehearts need the ten stones to borrow a portion of Diamond's power. If JY really is one, then he is utterly weak in that regards.

[@kennethyoung7457]

She not really ahead in any game mode right now though. She is good in all game modes but Herta, Jade, Argenti surpass her by far in Pure Fiction and Boothill and Firefly surpass her in Apocalyptic Shadow. She doesn't really have an edge over most dps in MOC at all but it is a more balanced mode. Unless you are dedicated main of Acheron there is no reason to use her over these options in most endgame content.

[@Gesfalthe]

@@kennethyoung7457 She isn't super ahead but she also isn't lagging behind though? With Jiaoqiu she easily clears PF, without him you can get a solid 35k on one side with the right speed tuning/turn manipulation. She does super fine in Apocalyptic Shadow, even with the current rotation of enemies without Lightning weakness, if you have Pela and Jiaoqiu on her team. She destroys MoC with a solid debuff team and is the best Hypercarry aside from Firefly and Boothill break teams. She three cycles the upcoming boss, Hoolay with a mid investment E0 team. She is amazing both at single target and multi target. What do you mean by we shouldn't pick her above other DPS when she can clear ALL content with relative ease with the right team and build. Are you sure we're talking about the same character here?

[@peak407]

@@Gesfalthe bro even lingsha dps can clear this pf with ease the buff just benefit alots.

[@Tam-lv1mp]

Feixiao is an emanator too. What are you even talking about? just admit Acheron mains are coping hard

[@ThePRinZy]

13:56 You do realize that super high effect res enemies won't only hurt Acheron but will shut down DOT team and every DOT characters altogether completely, right?

[@somehans]

The thing I like most about acheron is that she will never truly get power crept, just need to change up supports depending on what content is required to be cleared.

[@voidevoker44]

It's vice versa. She is a hypercarry. And Hypercarry will always be more vulnerable to powercreep since there team composition is pretty basic and more susceptible to replacements.

[@adnanbillychrysostome7003]

​@@voidevoker44the day Acheron would be powercrept would be the day we'd get another Emanator, that's my take, until then Acheron will reign suprem as a DPS even if Hunt DPS will Always excel against ST enemies

[@peanuts6293]

If they introduce a boss that has a "immune to debuffs" phase, then that would signify the need to pull for a new DPS lol, until then, she is fine

[@marv1nperator]

jingliu has an entire new team as her bis, compared to realease, and she still low performs

[@leylintempest1714]

acheron will 100% be powercrept because shes a dps, its inevitable

[@ashleykirk123]

I was torn between the two and ending up choosing feixiao. Her versatility, her playstyle and i have her best team comp. Then saving for acheron. Maybe but she's not as much of a must pull now. I got Jiaoqiu for her and a debuff Dr Ratio team. I built and plan to use him when needed. Can Moze be built possibly to do lightning weakness target to break toughness bars for AS, Moc and Pf. I am a late game player trying to 3* my runs.

[@hamutasa3]

I think with the arriving of jiaoqiu recently, acheron throne could be longer than other dps in general. Maybe as long as feixiao, because their banner are side by side

[@vanxxx3043]

The one who offers better investment is the one you enjoy playing with more.

[@choigarden9696]

people really be bickering on a single player game

[@lemi3357]

I pulled boothill when i started, meaning my single target need is basically none. I will be trying for robin and then going back to saving for acheron (not getting her is not an option for me at this point cuz i already pregrinded all her stuff and pulled jiaoqiu thinking she would be in 2.5)

[@rrenpaii]

2 weeks ago I wanted to pull her no matter what, over the time I asked myself often if she really is the Dr Ratio replacement in the premium FuA team, which I don't think she is unfortunately. I get that single target is the overall concept of "The Hunt", but seeing what they did with Boothill/Firefly I thought it was about time that they release THEE premium FuA DPS character that kind of breaks out of that concept. It didn't have to be much aoe, just enough for Feixiao to not be a** in PF or has her struggling against any boss that has some bs summons that need to be dealt with. Unlocking aoe via Eidolons would have been perfectly fine. It just means she at least has the potential and I can start saving for her rerun in the near future to get these Eidolons. Her kit and concept as of now does not allow for much improvement if you ask me. Maybe I will still get Feixiao E0, but I am honestly more excited for Kafka rerun at this point and I know its just a matter of time until they release a Harmony and Sustain character with a focus on dot teams.

[@Spyroclastic]

As an individual unit i'd say acheron is still slightly better due to AOE dmg but Feixiao has the better team comp. Similar to FF, where I think Acheron is still slightly better than her but the superbreak team as a whole outperforms the acheron team by quite a lot. Imo its better to invest into a complete team rather than a single OP character as its much harder to powercreep the entire team

[@mongrelshadow14]

Acheron and FF are capable of 0 cycling content. Saying one outperforms the other is basically meaningless. If you're not talking about teams and specifically talking about individual units Acheron>FF. Her damage is not great outside of having HMC do super break chunks of damage when she does a break. Only time that would likely be different is E2 FF.

[@Slash_to_your_heart]

That was before jiaqiou. I would say the acheron team improved a LOT with him

[@sauce5097]

​@@mongrelshadow14 You missed the point of the comment. Better to make a strong team than relying on one unit

[@devika2545]

​​​@@mongrelshadow14 Slight changes, One, she is the only unit who can utilise HMC's kit to such an extent. The one other character I can think of is Xuei and she doesn't do nearly as much. Secondly, the super break, both her own and HMC's procs on enemies each time they get attacked after being broken.

[@Spyroclastic]

@@mongrelshadow14 Every FF user runs her with HMC. That's like saying E0 Acheron's damage is mid because her damage falls off when you dont run 2 nihility. The point is, investing into a complete well-rounded team is almost impossible to powercreep unless they decide to directly target every single member vs going all in on one unit.

[@TheWoodcookie]

I want to say acheron since she doesn't really need harmony to be good. That is such a boon since most dps do want at least a good harmony

[@BeastyBanned]

Imop you can play Acheron with 4* while the best options for feixiao are mostly 5* so instead of investing in the other 5* you could go for her e2 what makes this imop a draw. Acheron is also a mascot of Mihoyo, and I expect she will remain useful for quite some time also there will be coming out in the future the hsr version for yae Sakura who I assume will be some sub dps who will do a lot of dmg while also supporting Acheron what makes for me the most sense

[@hollowcookie9648]

At acherons core, she is a hypercarry dps. Fei xiao and her ideal team fall into the follow up archetype, so if the mode has a buff for follow up attacks then feixiao would be the one to use, though if it has a buff benefiting acheron then she would be better

[@acaciasiobhan9205]

Everyone’s expecting a Ratio + Aventurine rerun soon; I think it’ll actually be Jade + Aventurine. Jade S1 with the AoE folks or E1 with all the single target folks is ridiculously strong everywhere you put her…

[@Piscore]

This game is AOE fiesta, every endgame mode is AOE, so Acheron is better IMO, to make Feixiao the same lvl of Acheron is make her Ult every turn, and delete enemies one by one (the big ones, the small enemies are waste of damage) Acheron only focus on big enemies cuz we all know she destroy all (small enemies or even some big) with the Ult, thx with pink foxian Acheron can Ult every turn (atleast I can, with +161 spd)

[@JoxTheMash29]

Had fate decide a couple of days ago whether I should built an Acheron team or Feixiao team. I currently only run Break teams (Boothill and Firefly) so I wanted more archetypes (recently started the game back in May, so I missed Acheron). I figured since an Acheron team and a FUA team are both fun playstyles in my book, I'd let fate decide. I did one 10 pull for JQ, which obviously If I get him, I have to get Acheron E0S1 since he's her BiS partner, and if not, I'll go save and go all in on Feixiao E0S1 and run her with Moze (expecting to get some copies of him through her banner), since I have Robin. Was able to get JQ in that first 10 pull from 4 pity. That's a huge sign for me to set-up an Acheron team.

[@Master_C614]

Off topic but I really like the addition of the face cam. The old lay out of the character images with voice over was boring and I would loose interest quickly, even though I like the information and your opinion. For some reason adding a face cam keeps me engaged. Great vid, really looking forward to Feixiao. Keep the videos coming!

[@ReaperBounce]

Simple, pull Feixiao and Robin and then save for 3.x for the summoner meta that is coming.

[@FruityTaco]

See another aspect you need to keep in mind is that Acheron is a Mei expy and Hoyo LOVES their raiden mei expy’s so they will do their best to at least keep her relevant to the meta.

[@keremq8816]

There is so much delusional people here. Still thinks we're at 2.1 even her old best comp sw and pela already fell of shes slow as f¢k without jiaoqiu but "acheron can go fine with 2, 4 star but feixiao is tied to fua premium team" after 2 patches i would like to see you guys how your "she doesnt need require any character" doing againts hoolay but it doesnt matter for acheronmains they will clear 5 cycles and still call her the best dps in the game lmao

[@AGHtuvSED09]

Have you ever seen the MoC after Hoolay? (Rappa leaks) Acheron will absolutely thrive there lmfao-

[@PersephaYT]

Hmm.. I do have Black Swan, Kafka , Pela and Fu Xuan. But I don't have Robin, Aventurine, Topaz, HuoHuo.. or most of the best characters for Feixiao, what should I go with? Should I start putting together a FUA team? Or continue adding on to what I have? I do have Ruan Mei, Himeko, Firefly and Sparkle as well if that helps.

[@Shane_A_M]

Before watching the video, I’m going to guess Acheron. Now with the Jiaoqiu in the game Acheron is extremely good in pure fiction, making her good in all game modes now.

[@hirohiwo]

I don't think they can powercreep Acheron anytime soon. She's a dps hypercarry under the Nihility path. The only ways to powercreep her imo is to straight-up outdamage her with a new character of the same vain as her(that will break the game) or to nullify debuff application but that will also mean rendering DOT teams and the nihility class in general unusable. In terms of LC option sure, Acheron is very restrictive but that's because she's the only one of her kind and FeiXiao isn't. FeiXiao only has a unique twist to her kit but she's just another DPS under The Hunt. Feixiao just needs fast acting allies, Acheron needs both speed and debuff application. You can disagree with me but these are my thoughts.

[@jonecito]

You’ve been bringing very interesting videos for us lately thanks man! 👊

[@leegadeesnats9615]

I skip Feixiao not cuz I don’t think she’s not good but because I already got enough team types to clear the endgame content (DoT with BS Kafka, FUA with Ratio Topaz, Break with FF, Oongaboongahypercarry Acheron, Jiaoqui) I also alr got the 2 of the top supports being Ruanmei and Robin. I personally think pulling Lingsha and Aventurine (rerun rumour) will be more important as an upgrade to my Acheron, FUA, and Firefly team. I’m also kinda confused and curious with some ppl saying that Acheron hardly clear PF better that Feixiao, cuz me personally with Acheron (using S1), Jiaoqui, and Pela cleared the PF with a perfect score of 40k. Oh yeah, my personal thought, I also believe that DoT team will be more likely to survive the power creep since right now there’s only 2 main DoT limited character where Kafka is the DoT trigger and BS is the DoT stacker, I think Hoyoverse would likely expand the DoT roster in the future by releasing other DoT type stacker like bleed, burn, or even another type of shock limited 5 star.

[@gokhanmeydan370]

from the very start this video is wrong so you say while fei can be played in her most op comp(followup) and of comp like fast teams while acheron only can be played in debuff and not in dot? dude dotcron is the 3rd best team in terms of damage and cycle clear while fei in followup team(her bis) is taking more cycles then debuff acheron and you cant even clear pf with fei (yeah you can do with argenti shenanigans but who would be better himeko-herta or fei :D ) i dont understand this cope of feixiao is the new acheron 2.0 no shes not she team restrictive if not more than acheron cause of the ult generation of aventurine and topaz %50 debuff and such lile think it like this you need 4 limited 5 star supports to even be able get close to the cycle clear of acheron-pela-foxboi-galahager which contains 2 Free 4 stars(pela is in acherons banner all the time ) lets just be honest devs gut her ult multipliers %840-%1680-> %700 they reduce her base speed reduced her self buffs changed usefull traces to def like they want her to be strong yes but tehy dont want another acheron that can do every single mode with most efficiency shes good dont get me wrong but not great not even best at what she does boothill exist and he can 1 cycle bosses with 3 star lightcone

[@Xeo0312]

I'll try and go for Robin, I already have Acheron, Jiaoqiu. Investing in Robin will be my investment in FUA team aside from Jade, I also have the event LC for her so E0S0 hopefully.

[@SirBufon]

Great analysis! I'm so upset they gave us Feixiao AND Robin at the same time, cuz now I have to decide between a great support and a much-needed second/third DPS for my account q.q

[@ChrisM243]

Any chance we might see a comparison video for Lingsha vs. E6 Gallagher as well?

[@frostedvoltage8840]

I love these comments, they differ from the video because of team investment lol, I can’t wait until they realize every team is going to end up with a full team of 5*’s sooner or later.

[@kennethyoung7457]

Most teams in general are strong with only 2 to 3 limited 5 star costs. Comments here make it seem like using Robin is more expensive than using other characters like Ruan Mei or Jiaoqiu.

[@joeyjoeanu4910]

"for whatever reason you didnt pick her up" damn i had to get my wifey husband aventurine to E2 when he came out i was a man following his heart (the fact that it turned out he was broken as a sustain was a massive bonus tho)

[@lance5600]

as much as i want feixiao, i’m always kinda iffy on single target attackers especially since, most of the time, there’s more than one enemy. even in endgame game modes, there’s like two hard hitters in the end sometimes.

[@eclipzee4027]

Everyone forgets that topaz reran with Robin release so she got 2 patches between reruns

[@Synocra]

yo i just reinstalled the game, pulled sparkle after one 5050 loss for my seele team (Seele Tingyun Sparkle Huohuo/Bailu) my second team is kafka but she has no premium supports, should I go for black swan or just ditch her completely and go for feixiao?

[@FazzoHD]

If u want to play dot, pull BS > robin. Feixiao also uses robin I believe

[@Miren-12]

I think Feixiao and Acheron play amazing and I like them both. Though I was having trouble finding an answer on which one to choose even after scrolling through tens of comments and watching the video TWICE, but, when I think about it, I have Jiaoqiu S1 and Sparkle S0 so I would assume I would want to pull Acheron? But I don’t want to pull her if she’s just flat out worse than Feixiao. So, any thoughts? (I can also just Ditch both and go for Robin but just answer the original question pls)

[@heroes8844]

there are so many reason why u should pull for acheron i dont even know where to start, but lets just give u the most convincing ones beside all these debate. You gonna need 2 team and a 3rd team soon anyway from how this game looks, and its just happen acheron team doesnt overlap. Probably late to your question but something to holdon to for your future plans.

[@Friday-p13]

If an AoE unit can easily clear all endgame contents then as a new player you know who to invest in. Imo, Hunts are luxury units, meaning if you're an old player and/or if you want a change of pace in the game then by all means pull. But if you like the unit then that's a different issue, it's a much more if not the best reason to pull for a unit.

[@giahunggiang1797]

if they have enemies with higher effect res, isn't that going to kill a lot of teams beside Archeron like Yunli with Taunt, DoT?

[@Ikuraga]

I donno if Acheron is hard for new player, because you get Pela for free and you probably have another Bihility like Sampo and guinaifen. And Acheron is utility for farming mats and in SU and DU. So I believe Acheron actually very reasonable to build for new players. That’s my take. :x

[@FazzoHD]

You don’t get pela for free. Started on aventurines banner and still missing gunaifen and pela.

[@Ikuraga]

@@FazzoHD guess that was an event, my bad then thought the beginner stuff didn’t phase out

[@ElijahAc]

Personally in my case, i will try to pull for both Feixio and Robin. Since i already have caracthers like Topaz and Ratio. This way i can already finish my second team and actually have a competen team since i have been carries by my first firefly team

[@unnamedhero5111]

Remember that in 2.7 sooner or later we will have Sunday who is confirmed to be another FUA support and taking this into account, Feixiao can get benefit more (of course devs calculated it how to sell new banners and make new chars relevant and attractive)

[@marcusbullock2753]

Bruh what if Sunday is the opposite of Robin and he makes the enemies -100 dis advance backwards.

[@kabouk]

By far Acheron, when she came out i already got a full free team for her given by the game (Pela, Bronya, Gallagher) For Feixiao i have to pull every member to make her work and i know i maybe will miss a big part of her team bcs they put Robin and Topaz on the same patch as her and i only have enough jade to guarantee 1 character for the moment

[@cionaed9912]

I disagree, Acheron does have a lot of future value as she can be placed in DOT, hypercarry and debuff. Feixiao has a tailor made support(Robin), sustain(Aventurine) and sub-DPS(Topaz) yet she still doesn't outperform Acheron when she barely has a 5 star Pela, sustain or a debuffer who is tailor made for her. I honestly think Feixiao is a Jingliu, her peak is only during her release

[@Wawawawawa750]

barely is an understatement since JQ's a huge upgrade for Acheron, lets her get two more ults in ideal situations on both AS and MoC, actually makes her good in pf instead of being carried by kafkaswan, and is strong enough to let her use Robin even at e0 (lower damage but only a small decrease and lets her + JG abuse AA mechanics plus robin personal damage buffed by JQ) As for Fei, all she needs is a better topaz (it says a lot abt topaz when march and Moze are genuinely able to compete with her at base). and Robin can be replaced the moment we get a harmony that hits a lot (since none of our harmonies actually attack a lot, only Bronya+Robin help her stack generation significantly albeit indirectly). Same with Aventurine. Unlike JL, she has an actual niche hoyo can go into to buff her, she's not as oversaturated in stats. That being said I alr expected her to be lower than FF and Acheron, ppl coping bcs new waifu dps is not another gamebreaking unit is funny

[@mongrelshadow14]

Dotcheron is only valid in PF, HC and debuff are the same thing for Acheron as she doesn't play any different. Feixiao can be in a hyper carry, can do the premium FuA team, and can do dual DPS teams. Acheron doesn't provide more future value, she's just perma secured because JQ now exists. Him plus a vertically invested Acheron (meaning Eidolons and her sig) means Hoyo can't make her irrelevant even if they tried. But that is above and beyond what any normal player will ever do. Honestly don't see how you can even compare Fei and Jingliu. The latter doesn't have any mechanic that props her up and depends on ice weak enemies to do competitive damage. Her BiS team falls below even a F2P Fei. Fei is nearly always acting which means constant damage through the fight and can do quick back to back ultimates which are colorless toughness damage that can blitz through even the thickest bosses. The situations are so widely different.

[@cionaed9912]

​@@mongrelshadow14 Fei, like Jingliu, can only perform well against enemies who have a wind weakness. She cannot ignore their elemental weakness like Firefly, Boothill, and Acheron can, so she is heavily dependent on enemies having a wind weakness, which the latter do not have. My argument for a bright future for Acheron is that, despite JQ being a good debuffer in Acheron teams, he is not tailor-made for her. If you compare a premium Firefly team with Lingsha, Mei, and HMC, Acheron teams do not have an equivalent premium support team designed specifically for her. Acheron was Hoyoverse's most invested banner; it would be ridiculous to claim that they wouldn't be expanding her team, as she has the largest potential to fully utilize her kit. Let's also remind ourselves that Acheron teams, don't have broken supports like Robina and Mei. Acheron does all the heavy lifting, so I think we can almost certainly expect a Harmony support for debuff/Acheron teams which would only elevate her.

[@cionaed9912]

​@@Wawawawawa750 JQ's initial kit would have been tailor-made for Acheron. However, his current version is heavily oriented towards DOT, which has significantly reduced his original support capabilities in an Acheron team. He was initially designed to be an exceptionally powerful debuffing healer. Let’s take a look at the premium break team consisting of HMC, Mei, Firefly, and Lingsha-they are all specifically designed to complement each other. On the other hand, Acheron does not have a premium team tailored for her. Her best team for E0S1 currently includes Pela, JQ, and Aventurine. Just like how Gallagher is replaced for Lingsha, they will most certainly replace Pela with a broken debuffer, which imo would give JQ a run for his money. They most certainly will be capitalizing on Acheron being the most sold banner by adding Nihility and more debuff-centric sustain and support options. But having said that she is a DPS character, so she will most certainly be powercrept🤷🏽‍♂ Let's also remind ourselves that Acheron teams, don't have broken supports like Robina and Mei. Acheron does all the heavy lifting, so I think we can almost certainly expect a Harmony support for debuff/Acheron teams which would only elevate her.

[@Wawawawawa750]

@@cionaed9912 ??? what nerf exactly did they give him that lowered his value fr acheron? the only one they did was the one where they limited the amount of debuffs he can apply per ult to 6 (realistically only relevant in PF, but he can use herta LC for constant ult refresh) Also you need two nihilities with acheron?? why would you replace JQ. over Pela when another debuffer comes around?? and there's only one good e0s1 Acheron team that runs 1 nihility which is JQ + Robin?? Again only reason Acheron is an Apex unit in PF is JQ, in AS she was struggling with the current AS until JQ came into the mix. Also he never was a healer, those were old leaks that hold no merit the moment beta came around. You're basing all you're info off vibes when e0s0 Acheron (who is by all intents strong without JQ) is pretty on par with other DPS but becomes broken when she gets either he signature or JQ (with JQ being higher value, you just think signature is more important bcs everyone pulled for it during her banner, so ppl act like its baseline) Also a harmony?? acheron best team does use a harmony alr but it uses said harmony with JQ so tf you talking about

[@kaseyatakahashi9753]

Crazy thing is that at base, acheron has higher st multiplier for a single ult than fei. I just don't think it is close to even compare the two but only after establishing a well invested account. At e0 s1 fei has better team not even close but fei herself isn't much. With e1-e2 investment for supports or broken upcoming supports, damage numbers will get bloated and that's when hunt would fall off. Doesn't matter if you do 2mill st if there are moer than one enemy to kill. It's just better to do 2mil to one target and does 50% of that to the rest.

[@kennethyoung7457]

Yeah I can definitely understand that if you vertically invest into your team even aoe dps will do more than enough dmg so what is the point of single target character other than being cheaper to do single target dmg. Unless Hoyo straight up make aoe dps unviable its just going to be better to have aoe dps.

[@lordzeref8175]

I already have a complete firefly team with gallagher e6, and an acheron team with aventurine and jiaoqiu. I was wondering if i want to obtain feixiao, what performance difference she would have with a team made of her, march, jiaoqiu, and aventurine instead of a team made of topaz and robin. She would lose that much dps without robin and topaz? I'm keeping searching on the internet but i can't find anything about "jiaoqiu vs robin for a feixiao team".... i just want an answer, because if the difference is something like 30-40% less damage then i will not pull for her.

[@ACupOfWarmLatte]

I don't have the numbers on hand, but it isn't hard at all to just compare kits, and understanding what Fei Xiao wants. Fei Xiao wants a support unit that can help her gain more stacks, and buff her FuA and Ult. Foxie debuffs the enemy so that they take more Ult damage. He only moves once, everytime it's his turn + ultimate pop in. Robin buffs all of the team's damage, buffs FuA attacks specifically, and advances the entire team forward. However, Fei Xiao's win condition is her Ult, which is tied to stacks like Acheron. You gain those stacks via allies attacking. It doesn't matter if foxie can buff her Ult damage, if she ults 2x lesser than Robin. You're genuinely better off running Bronya for the advance forward.

[@lordzeref8175]

@@ACupOfWarmLatte The fact is that i don't know what to do with my account in the current state. As i already mentioned i have two complete teams (as a total f2p player), and i have the signatures for both acheron and jiaoqiu (and sadly not for firefly and ruan mei), plus i pulled (with insane luck) jade in 10 pulls having 0 pity. So now i'm in a position that i often think "i don't need anything else now", since twice in a row i kept clearing MoC, Pure fiction, and Apocaliptic shadow at max difficulty obtaining all the stars. Now i'm at 57 pity (with the chance of losing a 50-50), and my plan was just to accumulate everything for multiple patches and just get the signature Lightcone for Firefly when she reruns. So basically what i'm searching for is if a "f2p" team made of Feixiao E0s0 (or maybe s1, but that's only if i get lucky), Jiaoqiu E0s1, Aventurine E0s0 and the new March will be able to perform on par with my team Acheron E0s1. Because if she will perform worse in single target even compared to my Acheron that does AoE damage too, then this will be the factor that will persuade me from not pulling her at all.

[@Infernorus]

​@@lordzeref8175she wont perform nearly as well, pull robin instead

[@jonjonjonny1636]

Lets see how long can EOD keep up with changing his top for every video... HAHAH just teasing. Sanks for the loads of content EOD, and keep up with the videos! o7 useful information always ~

[@VibinRush]

Acheron or Feixiao? Start saving for Rappa fools! She raps.

[@brianpark2564]

Better question, fua vs dot future value/ longevity

[@sydorovich2532]

@@brianpark2564 FuA is miles ahead of DoT even with full 1 cost F2P team with March+Moze+Robin+Qpq Gallagher

[@AGHtuvSED09]

FuA lmfao

[@Nickname_Taken]

I need help. I don't have either Acheron or Feixiao on my account. I am saving my warps rn and i need to know if i should pull acheron, or save for other units such as sunday or fugue coming in 2.7.I don't have enough warps to get Acheron's lc nor her eidolions. I also don't want to pull acheron if she will fall of in 1+ patches. I have a built pela and black swan. Should i pull her?

[@desertchoclo2910]

the amount of doompost comments that dick ride acheron as if she was bennett are hilarious, she is clearly strong a lot at that but saying that feixiao is mid is objectively wrong, while feixiao does indeed need robin the argument makes no sense, every goddamm dps needs a good harmony, thats how the game is, as for flexibility feixiao can comfortably clear with moze and march and robin while also making use of a well built bronya or sparkle instead of robin obviously with lesser results yes but she is objectively more felxible than acheron, E2 could be another story due to needing only one nihility but on a base level the difference between these two isnt as huge as theyre making it to be

[@pandmonium2428]

acheron just better. Fexiao already got her best FUA team while raiden only get his support. If we somehow get harmony/sustain who inflict more debuff or scale of it... acheron will annihilate HSR

[@blursedpasta7718]

if you want feixao you need to invest more characters (her f2p units is just march hunt) if you want acheron just 2 nihility(any would do really) and a sustain(gallagher if possible)

[@fabianpineda1714]

at e0 without lightcone is acheron able to beat moc 12? even if cost several tries?

[@DanelRahmani]

Acherons biggest issue is rhe fact that she's so dependent on her signature weapon in my opinion, not having her signature is a massive dps loss and makes her feel worse to play and also why im barely using my acheron despite having a good team and artifacts

[@gedemartha9534]

Hello, EODGamer... nice video as always! Got a question, do you think that we're missing a real good 4 star harmony that could be an alternative to RM and Robin alike? I kinda feel like so because what we have rn (Asta is the closest to teamwide buff like RM and Robin) . Curious to know what's your thoughts on it.

[@gedemartha9534]

I know Harmony TB is good for break (teamwide too) but they fall in the break category...

[@joshualieter5361]

running 2 accounts, will roll her on my second account. My main is just not invested to make Feixiao work as well as it is invested to make acheron and firefly work. Shouldn't end up mattering in the short term, and in the long run something else will take all of their places. That's Gacha for ya.

[@Nova-ey9vg]

Everytime there is a x weakness enemy...i use acheron, except in fire when i use firefly. For me I'll pull robin in 2.5 just because she can fit into a lot of teams like rm, and lingsha bcus i like her design

[@Cinis44]

Question...is it better to pull jiaoqiu for my acheron, or take robin and feixiao?

[@Cloud159]

I think you missed the single target vs multiple target comparison 🤔

[@YuriDSC]

Acheron can deal very well with single target, Fei will struggle vs multiple targets, unless her technique perpetually triggers each wave of PF, she is objectively weaker.

[@AshuraNight]

So I have E0 S1 Acheron and I kinda have her best team but don't have Jiaoqiu... I only have topaz from Feixiao's premium team Do you think I should go for Jiaoqiu or get Feixiao?