Felipe Leon Interview

[@svezhiepyatki]

Some timestamps 0:24 - Introduction 1:45 - Felipe's religious history 18:14 - Does Felipe think things would have gone differently if he had gone to a christian college? What is his opinion on such colleges? 22:02 - Felipe's approach to philosophy of religion 31:27 - On theoretical virtues 42:09 - On ways out of potentially false worldviews we might subscribe to 47:15 - What evidence could make theism a better explanation than non-theism? 53:41 - What was the goal with the "100 arguments for atheism" post? Is there any value in argument counting? 1:00:15 - What's the most important area in philosophy to make progress in right now? 1:06:44 - Which theistic argument should be taken more seriously by atheists? 1:12:53 - On some ways to avoid objections to theistic arguments 1:16:46 - Some of the things Felipe is working on

[@HumblyQuestioning]

13:45 What do theists and non-theists have in common?

[@scienceexplains302]

I avoid the phrase “simplest explanation” in favor of “explanation with fewest assumptions”, because “god did it” seems to be the simplest assumption (edit- simplest explanation) to the superficial observer, whereas the god hypothesis is full of assumptions and doesn’t explain anything. (Replies aren’t necessarily explanations. Explanations build on what we know.)

[@lowkeytheology]

This really is a great interview

[@piano9433]

Great interview! We (the christian-skeptic KZbin community) should talk more about methodology. Theoretical virtues is a fascinating topic!

[@richardgamrat1944]

1:02:24 Do we really have data on this? That what I was trying to find a while ago, even asked on psychology and philosophy subreddits but wasnt successful. If someone can point me to some papers or so, I would definitely appreciate that!

[@transcendentalarts5942]

Just spotted this channel. Seems interesting. Is owner atheist or christian ?

[@DigitalGnosis]

Neither and both

[@transcendentalarts5942]

@@DigitalGnosis exploring?

[@DigitalGnosis]

​@@transcendentalarts5942 It depends what you mean by that. Reality is complicated and Im not sold on any wholesale solution

[@2ezee2011]

@@DigitalGnosis Curious how do you reconcile religion (based on a non reality supernatural) with "Reality is complicated". I would think reality antithetical to non-reality.

[@AbdulHannanAbdulMatheen]

👏🙂

[@robertedwards909]

He is an ex Christian not because of philosophy but because of very bad hermeneutics

[@Apanblod]

What characterises good hermeneutics?

[@robertedwards909]

Ex is very misleading that to me implies you were an apologist which he wasn't

I didn’t hear anything to cause me to doubt that God exists. At the end of the day it’s a choice. I believe the testimony of the authors of the Bible Felipe Leon doesn’t. Eventually we will be standing before God and we will see who was right

[@Venaloid]

Jesus as a failed apocalyptic messiah is a pretty powerful reason to doubt Christianity, which Felipe only summarized as part of his story. I invite you to watch, "The Sketchy Story of Jesus" here on KZbin. Not only are our sources rather dubious, but Christianity is actually very hard to reconcile with Judaism from a purely theological standpoint.

@@Venaloid there are several prophecies that could have only been fulfilled in the far future to claim that Jesus was a failed apocalyptic messiah. For example Rev 9:16 I heard the size of their army, which was 200 million mounted troops.The population was about 200 million in the world at that time so no! Also, to everyone that dies in less than 120 years, the time is near and that's what's important. If you die today you will not see the rapture or tribulation period but you will wish you were ready to meet your Creator. Mat 24:44 Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect. Luk 12:40 You also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.”

[@fr3d42]

Do you think belief is a choice?

[@Venaloid]

@ - If you actually read the Gospels and Paul's letters, you'll notice (as Felipe mentioned) that they are equally urgent about the end times; you are not unique in thinking this. Paul himself clearly believed that the resurrection of Jesus was the first of the many that were expected at the start of the apocalypse. Jesus reportedly said that this generation shall not pass away until all these things have happened. And yet, these things didn't happen: we are all still here, the Earth has not been reborn into the Kingdom of God. Once Jesus's followers realized this, the well-known cognitive bias called the "backfire effect" spurred some of them to hold even more strongly to their beliefs, concluding that the end of the world and the Kingdom of God weren't physical, they were instead spiritual. This is exactly what we see when someone in the modern era predicts the end of the world and is wrong: Harold Camping's 2012 "end of the world" prediction didn't come true, so he pivoted to saying that it had been a "spiritual judgement day". Jehovah's Witnesses famously predicted the end of the world in 1914, and when it didn't happen, they pivoted to saying that 1914 was the *beginning* of the end. The "New Covenant" of Christianity has every appearance of being yet another failed apocalyptic prophecy: the Kingdom of God is, um, within you, not on Earth. The fires of God's judgement are, um, spiritual, not physical. The resurrection of the dead to live with God is, um, really more of an afterlife, not a physical event. And I'm sorry, but, your "prophecy" is that the author of Revelation correctly estimated the world population? Are you being serious? Even if this were true, what does that have to do with Jesus?

[@tumhalad1]

This oh so nice agnosticism is tiresome.

[@DigitalGnosis]

Why?

[@timtooful]

Too damn short

[@DigitalGnosis]

I'm sure he will be back!

[@russianbot8423]

I am skeptical of these athiests that claim they used to be Christains especially when they provide no proof of that they held that former position much like their arguements they seem vague and fabricated because they don't understand Christianity at all.

[@DigitalGnosis]

I'm sure you're a better guide to their own beliefs, memories and lived reality than they are!

[@2ezee2011]

No true Scotsman huh? LMAO

[@russianbot8423]

@@2ezee2011 Nope it's a big lie.

[@russianbot8423]

@@2ezee2011 I used to be a fervent athiest until I started thinking for myself and found Christianity.

[@2ezee2011]

@@russianbot8423 Was a Baptist minister till i got tired of finding all the lies and propaganda that the bible has. the fake histories, fake stories, by bronze age to iron age mystics writing propaganda for a theocracy. If you were a fervent atheist it is not because you were a skeptic.

[@Christian_Maoist.]

Those are some nice opening opinions, but you don't look like you lift weights.