Feminism vs. Patriarchy in History [with Rudyard Lynch of Whatifalthist]

Feminism is new, and it's the first time women have ever used girl power to get freedom from evil men who held them back for no reason since forever. Right? Not really.
Rudyard explains to hoe_math the history of patriarchal vs feminist control over societies of the past, what patterns we've seen, and how to know what's coming next.

[@HoOGenghisB]

“Mr. Hoe and I..” Lost it 😅

[@luketinka]

… have been friends 😂

[@lorenzoalcequiez8344]

Lmao

[@Anicca108]

In defense of Zoomers’ mental issues: “It’s no measure of good health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” - Krishnamurti

[@BorgCreations]

Imagine calling people's natural reaction to a collapsing civilization a sickness and blame it on themselves. Truly evil.

[@pekka405]

People always adapt

[@TerranceBhS]

​@@pekka405 That's true, but adaptation shouldn't come at a cost of constantly popping pills to be well-adjusted.

[@pistonsjem]

@@TerranceBhS popping pills just prolongs the inevitable. Like leaks on a sinking ship, you either notice it in time or you dont.

[@BarnJ]

​@@TerranceBhS yeah the pills thing is obviously a "treating the symptoms instead of the disease" type of situation. ADHD is the best example, where you place kids in a very unnatural setting and try to force them to behave contrary to their instincts (don't play, be quiet, sit still, listen to boring stuff without us explaining why it matters) and instead of questioning how we teach, we lobotomize them with baby-meth so they'll go along with the program. I think there's more recognition of this now and more distrust in the "solve everything with a pill" economy and it will eventually correct itself.

[@MikeJones-wp2mw]

Hoe Math quote of the day "They want to go straight to space gay communism."

[@castratedbob]

"Real automated gay space communism hasn't been tried, aktually" 😂😂

[@buckaroobonzai2909]

The flat earthers will fix that problem. Don't worry.

[@CameronBrown-ph9do]

Not wrong, the number of commies who sincerely think star trek communism is the "answer" is alarming.

[@sethv.1349]

Americans may just want their tax money to pay for their health care like the rest of the industrialized world does, instead of wars and Walmart subsidies.

[@Redmanticore]

thats exactly what tech bros promise us with automation and AI, to be fair.

[@samiamgreeneggsandham7587]

Rudyard is a bit of a dork and he sometimes makes statements indicating delusions of grandeur, but his channel content is nonetheless interesting, and he’s much better read than 99.9% of people his age. Glad to see the mathematician and the historian getting together.

[@ProzacStylings]

He needs to be better informed on biology and adjacent fields. He's using the feminine perception of Asian men in his arguments and displaying a huge ignorance of the biological underpinning of that.

[@bie806]

Your comment is a great example of that gossiping, rallying, shaming they talked about.

[@Nethershock]

Anyone who talks about masculinity and doesn't lift/train isn't an expert. He makes good points but the delusions of grandeur are from physical weakness. He's trying to make minds robust, but the form leads the spirit.

[@niczvr]

​@@bie806how so?

[@holidaytrout5174]

Accurate

[@messertl]

As a Gen X'er, this video helped me understand how completely insane dating is for Gen Z's and Millennials.

[@michaelmicek]

I observe, as a Gen Xer, that we were contracepted, aborted, neglected, invalidated, and impoverished; but I guess things have largely gone downhill the last 40 years.

[@messertl]

Sure all those things happened to Gen Xers. But at least we got to play outside and they were not trying to convince us to cut off our genitals.

[@michaelmicek]

@@messertl I think I came across as more ironic than I should have. In all seriousness, yes, things seem to have continued to get even worse for typical Americans.

[@pete5691]

Gen x were raised by boomers, which means raised by the babysitter and tv so our boss moms could work. However what was on tv still had gender norms that made sense and kids movies and shows still had a hero and a girl longing for love. There also was not quite as much anti-wyte propaganda infused into media. Right now I challenge you to find anything watchable by kids that by 80’s and 90’s standards makes any sense as far as norms. Gone are shows with exclusively male heroes or girls longing for love-replaced by 100 pound girl bosses beating up 200 pound guys and clueless men being shown how to do things by mary sues. The list goes on and gets worse and worse. It’s being done TO us not BY us btw.

[@daniellane419]

I’m a Gen X that figured out how much the world was changing in 2009. There’s nothing more frustrating than arguing with a boomer every time they tell millennials and Zoomers to just do it the way they did . The boomers have no concept of the current reality these kids and young adults are facing.

[@theflamingone8729]

It's not male sexlessness, it's males rejected by their community. Those men didn't go to fight for their countries, or their flag etc. They went to fight for their families, their communities and their standard of living. Those are also the things men work for and develop for, develop themselves and develop better technologies and strategies.

[@andrewharris5281]

And the bureaucracy has been built up to take from what men make and redistribute it to those who claim to deserve it. And it has mutated into a creature that has punished those who do for those who for those who risk. And those who risk for those who can’t/won’t. Which is why you have the successful saying, just take a risk and work on building something and others who say I can get ahead by being a victim.

[@pyronderman9055]

you are wrong. I would die for my country for my flag, and for the restoration of my king. Yet i have no family to fight for.

[@theflamingone8729]

@@pyronderman9055 I hope you don't.

[@alexgame3357]

@@pyronderman9055 Yes, there used to be institutions for men who did not have a family and could dedicate their lives to the glory of God and their society, unfortunately they have taken that away from us. So now all we have is lonely, angry incels who are apparently the biggest threat to national security that has ever existed.

[@jollypolly1686]

@@pyronderman9055 At some level of consciousness you still have the desire and hope for a family within that country and under the values it's flag represents. So it does come back to family, community and values indirectly.

[@floridaman3823]

"Everything is about sex. Except sex. Sex is about power." -Oscar Wilde

[@alexmeier1]

1:23:20 "I think that I always really wanted knowledge and understanding, and now I have it, and it hurts, and I'm tired". I felt that.

[@RexJacobus-bb1vw]

Ecclesiastes 1:18 KJV - 18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

[@Stoneybv]

Great power comes great responsibility

[@rumorcontrol7873]

"He chose the path of eternal torment.."

[@bluebutterfly5062]

Ignorance is bliss

[@popofabulous]

HM is a great interviewer. He actually listens for a reply instead of over talking the guest and makes poignant observations.

[@davidwalker8195]

I watched someone interview HM and twenty minutes in HM had said 3 sentences.

[@chipcook5346]

Yeah. I listened to the Jolly Heretic interview Rudyard, and it was a painful slog to the place Dutton wanted to go. That's fine, but not so much in an interview. This is an exploration which is far more enjoyable and illuminating.

[@TheInterwebzMan]

Great chat! This dude is a juggernaut at 22 years old

[@LamelKendrick]

he was phenomenal

[@xboneyt485]

Looks like he's in his late 30's or early 40's Wonder why he can't get a girlfriend... A mystery we'll never unravel...

[@asura8495]

​@@xboneyt485 what makes you think that? he never complained about that

[@-blackcat-4749]

That was a 📐 unchanging performance. Part of the routine

[@nickc3856]

​@@xboneyt485 you're projecting lmao

[@sanluisflyer]

A 1%er here - I frequently look around & ask how are average people making it? The answer is they’re not & that’s bad for society. Ultimately, it will self correct & I don’t fault any young man for being pi$$ed- I’m in my 40s & “made it” -I’m furious too….

[@willshad]

The only people who think that money will make you happy are those that don't have it.

[@biscottigelato8574]

I think I'm 1% wealth-wise. 39 years old. Doesn't help sh!t. So many forces beyond economics in play here. Money is just digits in a database, regardless if its USD or BTC.

[@ChaosXcrusheD]

It won't "self correct" because the system isn't designed to allow corrections. The system is designed to extract maximum value regardless of its effect and once all value is extracted, everything collapses into ash and dust. The 1% lives and gets to be fat, happy, and breed unrestricted. 99% is enslaved or eliminated.

[@CoochSmooch]

Having no family, friends, or sense of community can do that Be rich in wealth & the soul to live stress free & happy

[@AnglophobiaIsevil7]

"fully automated spacegay communism" 😂😂😂

[@Alexander_the_Average]

Yes that was hilarious! Pretty accurate when I think about it😂

[@Kaizen747]

@@Alexander_the_Average ikr, future were are heading lol

[@xaxaiuedufraine4897]

Rudyard's audio cut out at multiple key moments. It would be great to have subtitles to fill those in, assuming that information isn't simply lost. Otherwise excellent talk.

[@michaelmicek]

+

[@pocketz2202]

"Periods of feminisim is correlated with social degeneracy." Lmao..... Holy shit, that just made my day.

[@spambot_gpt7]

The health of a society can be measured by the relative success of productive, but naive autists vs smooth talking psychopaths & cluster Bs. Basically productivity vs manipulative proxy power. The number of books in stores that promise to teach you "the secret techniques of psychos" is very worrying.

[@pookatim]

Old man here. I just want to tell young people that life is binary. Either everything you do matters or nothing you do matters. You must decide which is correct. There is no in between. Both are rather frightening. If everything you do matters, you bear a heavy load. If nothing you do matters life has no meaning. Just remember, if everything you do matters, you matter. You have something to offer and the world will be better off with you in it. If nothing you do matters, you don't matter and the world becomes a horrible place to live.

[@Squid165]

Agreed. The boomers raising children to see life as shades of grey has ruined them. They cannot differentiate between good and evil.

[@n0b0d1-rc6dz]

Form (रूप )is emptiness (śūnyatā), emptiness (शून्यता )is form (Rūpa).

[@city_of_coompton6832]

So.... should I have oatmeal or eggs for breakfast tomorrow? This is a deep and existential question

[@city_of_coompton6832]

So.... should I have oatmeal or eggs for breakfast tomorrow? This is a deep and existential question

[@michaelosborne7532]

“The values of the bureaucracy have just filtered down into the lower classes, and everybody is trying to mimic them; and the more that they do that, the more it doesn’t work, because bureaucracy is fundamentally non-productive”. Great insight.

[@johngordon6792]

This is the best colab that I've seen hoe_math do. It's interesting to get the historical perspective on what is happening today. I've gotta say that I see signs in RL of the world getting worse, but the online environment and the news can make things seem worse than they really are. Basically I'm asking, "Are things really this bad or is it my own confirmation bias telling me these things?" This confirms that things really have gotten bad, and the shit is ready to hit the fan. This was enlightening and gave a sense of perspecitive of where things are now.

[@impudentdomain]

no things are not as bad as they seem on the internet, they are horribly worse. Why ? because at least on the internet there are some people who recognize what is going on but in real life there are millions and millions of ignorant people with their heads in the sand or who are easily manipulated by the elites.

[@CalmBeforeTheStorm76]

Finally, some actual intellectuals taking anthropology seriously and using it for what it was intended to do... which is to explain human behavior on a universal and non-biased level. Great to see you both blazing a trail that needs to be ummm...re-blazed. Lol

[@tuckerbugeater]

nonbiased lol

[@Jayr8367]

This is the crux of human history. There is always new people who haven't learned the lessons of the past. This is why tough on crime doesn't reduce crime, because there are always new people committing old crimes. The thing that reduces the crime rate has always been making less people poor and unhoused. If people have buying power to buy things and own a home they tend to commit *less* crimes because they have hope for the future. Hope is a powerful thing.

[@Wingedmagician]

hoemath has got some work to do before he can call himself an intellectual as much as I love him 😂 and not that he would

[@Marcara081]

Let me introduce you to Thinking Ape a.k.a. Stardusk who helped launch MGTOW and has been applying this information for over 15 years. 'Finally' ha ha, riiiiiight. Finally the algorithm let you see some Redpill content more like. And not the good stuff either.

[@triggeringsmuganimepfp7611]

Thinking Ape is a blackpiller. Nothing wrong with that, but he isn't interested or believes anything can be healed. I used to think alike, before knowing hoe_math. Not the he will solve the issue, he is lighting the spark.

[@HayseedHick]

This has been unusually edifying

[@jondspen]

This was a good one. Don't agree with a few minor points, but overall think it was spot on.

[@LamelKendrick]

Chat gave him a hard time but this guy is an absolute intellectual powerhouse especially at 22. Very impressed. At 50 he will be scary smart.

[@xboneyt485]

You speak like someone with limited life experience. Like a star athlete, an intellectual can also squander potential or live past their "intellectual prime". Especially if the flirt with bitter/nihilistic philosophy

[@LamelKendrick]

@@xboneyt485 i will wear limited life experience as a badge of honor

[@ephraimwinslow]

@@xboneyt485 Bro? You're talkin' like someone afflicted by "that-old-guy" syndrome. Why hector the kid for recognizing potential on the basis that it *might* go unfulfilled? That's just broadcasting pessimism under the guise of spreading wisdom. (I'd hazard to guess OP was previously aware of trainwrecks before you wheeled your handcart into earshot to tell him he don'-know-Schitt.)

[@xboneyt485]

​@@ephraimwinslow So many leaps of logic in this reply of yours. OP made a statement with no room for nuance. If you take my response to him as an attack and not a warning/other perspective. Says more about you than it does about me

[@ShadeDraws]

@@LamelKendrick I'm sure you wear being a lo ser as a badge of honor.

[@tinman3586]

You can't underestimate what the p-demic, (really the overreaction to it not the sickness itself) did to wreck American society. But many of those issues were already there, the event just pulled back the curtain and exposed, and exasperated many underlying issues.

[@spambot_gpt7]

The event also showed how far due process & justice have sunk. Before, with the Eddy Snowdy leaks etc. everybody could pretend: "State overreach is not nice, but it doesn't affect my life" Guess what. Now, it did. And it will do it again.

[@donaldbond4304]

Humans thinking are like cats swimming. they can do it, but they would really prefer not to

[@CoochSmooch]

It burns calories to think & we evolved to preserve our calories as much as possible

[@JoshWoodcock]

"Live outside and eat squirrels"

[@shivlad6229]

Yummy 😋😋😋😋

[@PBVader]

Hug bears, kiss trees and wrap your booboos with lily pads.

[@nkoppa5332]

a meeting of the minds. Academia hates when disciplines connect with eachother

[@stevecooper7883]

Integration is the first historical milestone in philosophy 😊

[@MrCusefan44]

I’m Gen X. I was at an airport last week and my flight was delayed, so I hit a bar and started talking to two 25 year old men that were there. It was obvious to me they were very guarded in what they were saying, until I made a comment that made it clear I understood the challenges they’d already faced and were facing now - the conversation got much more interesting and engaging after that. I’m not sure I really understood how the typical Gen X guy is perceived by younger men - but talking to my peers most of them are delusional idiots who think college is basically the same as it was in the 90s.

[@tomspriggs9478]

People get so involved in their own lives, they lose track of how things change. They move on to a different place in life and never really look back/down to see the shifting ground under their feet.

[@davedoe6445]

I went to a very male biased college (not a chad) in the 90’s and I think it feels exactly the same as the zoomers talk about today

[@luigiwithabeard98]

Love both channels found whatifalt a few years ago already being a history buff and recently found how math to improve my self love both channels love the crossover

[@tomtom21194]

"I always wanted knowldge and understanding; now i have it and it hurts and i'm tired." Shit man, that hit me. Its like all my thinking, reading trying to understand made things harder to live in reality, not easier

[@Stoneybv]

That's what makes it beautiful

[@dustins382]

"analysis paralysis" Can't spend all your life just going for the information, at some point we must take a leap and experience something, even if there's a chance of it being bad, you just do your best to take what you've learned to mitigate risk, because obviously talking a mindless leap might end up being your last leap.

[@nicholaszanker-close1573]

Fuck yes my two favourite KZbin channels collabing, so good

[@RobPtak]

Two of my very favorite KZbinrs! 😊

[@FilipMacioszek]

Same!

[@hoe_math]

Mine too!

[@benjamincaddle2018]

Never thought this combo was even possible

[@sonicleaves]

Love Rudyard! He's one of my favorite people.

[@marcandre8832]

You guys are two of my favorite youtubers by a long shot. Glad to see you working together

[@Alexander_the_Average]

“For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.” Ecclesiastes 1:18 KJV

[@michaelmicek]

Interesting to compare that guy's experience with Mr Hoe's

[@Alexander_the_Average]

@@michaelmicek yes! It was a cross over I did not expect! Turned out pretty good!

[@michaelmicek]

@@Alexander_the_Average I meant the author of Ecclesiastes, presumed to be the guy renowned for his wisdom but brought down by his 900 sexual partners.

[@Alexander_the_Average]

@@michaelmicek oh yes my bad! It is Interesting to compare King Solomon and Mr. Hoe math! There is nothing new under the sun.

[@kaptainwarp]

I actually DO want to live through "The uprising of the Sub-8 men". It promises to be quite a spectacle.

[@Dave-um7mw]

I disagree. Every revolution was a very rough time to live through. I'll take a golden age of peace and prosperity over revolution any day.

[@city_of_coompton6832]

@@Dave-um7mw Every revolution (that's succeeded) was planned and sponsored by second-tier elites vying for the top position. They get the plebs riled up and use them as pawns.

[@jakematerne]

“Intercourse between our two audiences” Talk dirty to me, Rudyard😂

[@ephraimwinslow]

Coining this term now: "The Real Housewives of Mouse Utopia" Someone fire up the AI image generators.

[@andrewlynch4126]

Exactly as I would have expected

[@martinjackman2943]

I laughed out loud at that... I'm definitely gonna do it😂

[@redpillsatori3020]

I generated one as well. Basically looks like: 🐭🥂👗💰🧀

[@multivariateperspective5137]

lol!

[@kgyore]

Great conversations, Mr Hoe. I am glad that you're doing this. Keep asking questions and discussing these issues. We all need to get through this.

[@michaellamont2605]

AWESOME ❤ 2 of my favourite creators 🎉 Thanks guys!

[@johnsexton4352]

Those who don’t study history are doomed to repeat it~ Somebody, probably

[@chadcadsonvii5258]

George Santayana, I believe is first attributed to coining this phrase.

[@RJG5]

@@chadcadsonvii5258 the guy from seinfeld?

[@therearenoshortcuts9868]

those who don't know shit - are doomed to eat it (shit) lol

[@turkeytrac1]

Even better is from George Hegel, "the only thing we learn from history, is we learn nothing from history".

[@ceasersherniateddisk8614]

Ive been watching both of you for a while now, this has got to be the best crossover in a long time

[@xiennorth]

That was incredible and we need more of this - between you two and MORE.

[@theeightbithero]

The biggest sin of the field of philosophy is convincing the world that wisdom is nothing more than a dower attitude. Choose joy, brothers. The truly wise are sober and jubilant.

[@michaelmicek]

Dour, yes. The problem is that since Thomas Aquinas, philosophy has been about how to justify rejecting his conclusions.

[@marvalice3455]

​@@michaelmicekhe is a tough act to follow, but we haven't been sending out best

[@oggassaggaoggaffa]

I think you meant "dour", but well said.

[@endofdaysg59]

Not all wise are sober

[@tomspriggs9478]

There is a time for joy, and a time for realistic assessment. This season requires much more realistic assessment and far less pie in the sky.

[@americancapitalist9094]

I’m really digging these collabs. Great discussions.

[@MoneyInMouthProductions]

This was absolutely spectacular! I sincerely hope there is a part 2!

[@user-pz7ux1lv7f]

Thanks for the video, I found your channel today and I'm really enjoying this content!

[@stalfosguardian5573]

I love both of your channels gentlemen. This is a great collaboration.

[@thegameguy911]

Honestly a better crossover event than infinity war, i only have one question: where can i sign up for the levels of thinking evaluation? Im very interested and want to participate in more of these type events. Much love, thank you both for this peculiar moment even my perents agree with the things youre both speaking!

[@hoe_math]

Linktree in bio

[@thegameguy911]

@@hoe_math bet (unironically)

[@jaredvaughan1665]

Instead of supporting kids, we are supporting the baby boomers' retirements through high taxes.

[@PooplexCanal]

26 minutes in and I must say that Whatifalthist's summing up what I've been thinking for some time now and couldn't put into words, for a young man he speaks very maturely. Onto the rest of the talk!

[@TheChantry]

One newer trend I think that's just beginning to develop is Masculine Empathy deteriorating. Men are no longer feeling that even the basic Caring/Protecting instincts of Western Society are even nominally worthwhile, as damned-if-you-damned-if you-don't attitude is prevalent. We see Men being vilified for intervening in dangerous situations, which makes any benefits non-existent and in fact detrimental.

[@aquious953]

Impressed with both of your work

[@immanuelkant6607]

Great idea to make this channel a platform! More of this please! As long as there's knowledge over just information.

[@danielstevens6384]

Awesome discussion gents, hope you do more in the future!!

[@dio2076]

"THE TREND IS DEAD" - PHA

[@antonioreconquistador]

Hell's Wrath upon dirty smelling girls

[@OfficialCronex]

Insanely good content keep it up, people need to start listening!

[@kenthedude2758]

Great video. Definitely challenged a few ideas I had about history.

[@Ghaos]

Thank you both for doing this, you both are favorite youtubers as of late, and I really dig your contributions. Two question: For Whatif: in America should we expect the mouse utopia to be universal, or will it only happen to the American Left? For Hoe_math:, since online media and street interviews appear to be the primary way you receive sociological data, have you considered the possibility that the data may be skewed based on the interviewers and interviewees desire for virality and not truth/accuracy?

[@truth-uncensored2426]

Whatifalthist is wrong that arranged marriages were not common in Europe, they were common all over Europe even as recently as 1700-1800, they were even more common among the elites and royalty. Also the inventiveness of countries inside the Hajnal line has nothing to do with the permissive treatment of women but with the average IQ of these societies, which was "boosted" by different selections events like the black plague and other "wipe out" bottlenecks, these have the effect of increasing the genetic quality of the population. Culture also matters for sure but these golden periods of high intellectual productivity have a genetic basis as well, they are solely the product of cultural practices.

[@benaiahwright937]

I agree with this

[@user-nq2oz8tf2l]

Yeah and he says it to try and make the most extreme assumptions about asian cultures. He's comparing a very short period of European history with a massive span for Asia. Ridiculous! For example when the Mongols took over China they introduced the ability for women to divorce and own property despite it falling under the very masculine and patriarchal banner bringing strict rules to adultery, order, and safe trade and even postal stations. As he himself claimed, history is messy.

[@Dave-um7mw]

Hang on. How was IQ boosted by The Black Death? Did it only kill stupid people?

[@fantasia243645]

This was a great conversation. This is definitely a video to rematch. 💛

[@zetadervish737]

Well done, folks, very informative. Next level anthropology...

[@utarefson9]

This was an interesting talk, and i'd like to see more of this in the future. However, Rudyard cutting out was very unfortunate as he's getting lots of data out really quickly, so it would be nice if in the future he'd record the video as well so you can use that as a VOD.

[@sonicleaves]

Just finished this video and it was fantastic! Rudyard, please do a video on magical thinking!

[@robertlorenz2492]

You guys should Collab more often and he should go on Michael Sartain show access Vegas. You guys are both doing well there each fact that was repeated was just a home run and it’s the best I’ve ever heard someone articulate the downfall of a society. Great job.

[@86shelby]

I was thinking a show with Rollo would be a thought-provoking show.

[@Kataklyzm510]

It's sad and hilarious but your "not people" card is my favorite, it explains so much about so many things with two words

[@blairl6304]

Well, it depends what he means by “civil war”. If he means side A and side B engaging in armed conflict, absolutely not, this is a childish viewpoint. If he means a cultural / sociological / economic civil war I’d say 100%, in fact I’d argue it’s already been going on - the battle lines were drawn in November 2016, but the open hostilities began during the lockdowns for the bug. I genuinely, truly, honestly don’t believe the 2024 election will be a fair and free election, Trump campaigned in New Jersey / New York and pulled larger crowds than the biggest rock stars even in an extremely deep blue state / area. There’s never been someone (I’m intentionally NOT using the word ‘politician’) the American people so enthusiastically support for President, Trump is a rock star, I’m in DEEP blue California, I work with people who campaigned against Trump - not FOR Biden - just against Trump, people who believed all the fake stories about him, secret Russian spy, secretly racist, going to deport all non-white people, he’s personally going to knock on their door and deport their family members, he’s going to start WWIII, etc) they couldn’t hide their EMOTIONAL reaction to Biden being declared the ‘winner’ the morning after the election when it was clear Trump had an insurmountable lead, Trump easily won, but then we all know what happened, all those magical 100% Biden mail-in-ballots started getting dumped in the exact swing states Biden was losing at 3:00am, everybody who’s intellectually honest knows they rigged itv and stuffed the ballot boxes with mail-in ballots. ANYWAY - even those people who ran around my workplace with glee, have now openly admitted they are voting for Trump this election. It’s mostly due to how terrible the economy REALLY is, how bad inflation is, how prices are exploding everywhere while nobody is getting raises to keep up with this 10-15% REAL inflation PER YEAR, and the other factor is how unstable the entire world has become under Biden. Even THEY see the weakness of Biden and the FAR LEFT who controls the administration has emboldened EVERYONE to use this opportunity of weak American leadership to make their moves. America has been weakened across the board, our interests are being attacked all over the place, and the American people are being destroyed financially. So if even the most anti-Trump people are going to vote Trump, and Trump is having rock star rallies in deeply blue areas of the country, and the polls even show him leading in all the key swing states - if he loses the people won’t except the fraud again. There’s just too many people who would be aware of the stolen election - and big tech can’t censor the conversation again since Musk bought Twitter / X. Anyway - we’re essentially in a civil war.

[@aklisven]

Great conversation. Thanks a lot

[@impudentdomain]

WOW, two of my favorite KZbinrs.

[@frankjennings4489]

“Asian societies haven’t really conquered anything since 1000 AD” *Genghis Khan has entered the chat

[@dolphincheddarsoup]

Nice collaboration; both creators make me feel less than/unproductive in my 30s 😅

[@jaredarmstrong7403]

Yup, just turned 30 last year and trying not to be on the edge of the decline.

[@hoe_math]

I was bottom 20th percentile income for like 17 years don't stress

[@Butlins14]

​@@hoe_mathI'm top 1% and bench 350lbs and I'm still invisible to women

[@Jaydavid25.]

Yeah, I just turned 30 as well, and oof.. But like Hoe_math said, I won't stress.. LOL..

[@BarnJ]

Great collaboration, I'd love to see you guys do a regular crossover episode.

[@andrewpeirce9189]

Fantastic discussion! I feel like I learned a lot, and you guys might be sick and tired of everything going on, but I think that if people like you keep connecting we'll be able to muddle through. Super fascinating to see a deeper look at what they meant when they said 'history repeats itself'. Now to find out what my strengths are, optimize them, and find some like-minded people instead of sitting in my room. Ta!

[@UnityFromDiversity]

Great conversation.

[@jestmojo]

Celebate by choice. I’ve experienced hook-up culture and I’m absolutely disgusted by it. It feels like there’s no need to try anymore. I thought I met a rational woman through a friend and then she started talking about how she was a girlboss. I’d rather be lonely than deal with that shit.

[@WanderingWarrior1776]

Once again, great job Rudyard! Recognizing your Time & Place in History to step-up! Be the better 21st Century version of Thomas Paine.

[@Lucas-og1xq]

Hoe Math how do I get in touch with you? Me and some other creators are living in cabins north of Houston. You can have one to yourself if you’re interested.

[@hoe_math]

inbox me on my linktree - link in bio

[@Lucas-og1xq]

@@hoe_math messaged you

[@LamelKendrick]

Houston is sprawling American mediocrity, hope its 15+ miles out of the city limits

[@itsnick37]

Lucas that’s a bad location to be in…. Haven for illegals around you I would relocate.

[@ShadeDraws]

@@LamelKendrick You would know about mediocrity. You see it in the mirror every day. lol

[@shellshocktm]

Oh man, the live chat was rough. I've been watching Rudyard for a while and I can vouch that he's done his homework and knows what he's talking about. I don't expect viewers of this channel to understand. No offense to hoe math but most of the people his videos attract wouldn't be joining mensa any time soon but the irony is that underneath the provocative channel name and childlike drawings there's a good groundwork for real social science that will go right over a lot of dudes' heads as they're just perusing youtube, looking for more content dunking on women.

[@chrismay2298]

Another "smartest guy in the room"... LOL!

[@Grahamulet]

Great point. I often find myself in the trap of "Haha I wanna see women get dunked on", but Rudyard really gives out great explanations of why things are the way they are without insults or jokes. Love HM, of course, but the deeper understanding is great.

[@harveypolanski755]

I think Feminism vs. Patriarchy is missing he point. More relevant is Individual Autonomy vs. Authoritarianism. Individuals should be given the right to self determination. Let everyone life their lives as they see fit so long as they don't infringe on someone else's life, liberty, or property.

[@TheGringoSalado]

That last part is the rub. Drug addiction does not only impact addicts for example.

[@michaelmicek]

You seem to be saying that society needs to allow more autonomy, while they put that in the feminine category, of which we have too much already.

[@harveypolanski755]

@@TheGringoSaladoA society can legalize drug use while outlawing and stringently enforcing laws against: public intoxication, theft, trespassing on private property, etc.

[@TheGringoSalado]

@@harveypolanski755 theoretically yes, but in practice how’s that working out in the USA?

[@kanggeorge4781]

It won’t work. If there’s no common authority, no one has any right to any thing. Even in contemporary times criminals exploit lawless zones to get away w/ murder. Libertarians have everything to say about communism and human nature, but once they describe their philosophies reason goes out the window

[@mjerzey]

these are actually my two favorite channels i cant believe yall collabed

[@Rinne0000]

The crossover I didn’t know I neeeded 😂

[@matttate920]

This was clean as glass. Excellent work gentlemen.

[@timkunkel5431]

Liked it so much I watched it twice!

[@maxjosephwheeler]

*I'm so glad to have you guys as Internet friends.*

[@frankystein499]

Excellent discussion chaps🧐👌

[@cesarmartinez2935]

Great conversation. I'm a big fan of both you guys and have recommended both your channels to friends. I hope the best for you both and to Mr. Hoe I sincerely hope you find the meaning you're looking for.

[@samuelmontenegroserniotti7146]

Whenever the other person has a sound disconection, talk to them and ask them to repeat the last 10 seconds of what they said. Helps a lot.

[@NeilMo25]

Great show!

[@Isaax]

2 behemoths podcasting together, lets fucking go

[@ChronJay]

I make 120xxx and support a family of 3 with a stay at home mom. Most families buy horrendously out of their price range. Live in a Midwest blue state, I feel like people wildly over blow the cost of children. My kids are even taking hobby classes.

[@nickmando2329]

@Whatifalthist.... please do a history/anthropology video about the introduction of currency/coin and how that changed the world. it would be so interesting including comparisons for before and after the introduction of the coin(in the macro scale)

[@brandon-toddhutchinson3798]

"You should have thought that; I make chats, it's what I do" I love this

[@jackodonnell3463]

We need more conversations between these two

[@Trizzer89]

I can understand why young men have anxiety, because they are shat on constantly. But why do Gen Z women have so much anxiety? Is it because they insist on only dating the unattainable Chad? Or maybe they pick up on the anxiety of the boys? Or simply because they didnt touch grass while growing up?

[@pekka405]

Total spitball but probably the societally imposed need to achieve what is required for being a provider without the willingess or need to be said provider, also women tend to compare themselves to other women in terms of attractiveness (=intrasexual competition) and IG etc allows you to compare yourself to all the 10's and 11's of the world. Imagine if a middle school boy playing basketball could only compete against prime kobes, lebrons and jordans, he would probably lose all hope and self esteem. All of this might be cap btw and sources were revealed to me in a dream

[@michaelmicek]

Could be widespread emotional neglect in childhood.

[@sleeper9638]

​@@pekka405 that is what's happening already. 14 year old boys are having their heights and D lengths compared to world star athletes and being called inkwells if they can't compete. Highschool girls no longer only date highschool boys, they're only going after the top 20% of men just like all other women on the planet. All men are now held in direct compariosn with all men, doesn't matter how old they are

[@AfriqueNY]

Once being average became a dirty word average people have no choice but to feel anxiety. They are waiting for somebody to point out that they are imposters pretending to be on the right side of the bell curve

[@lentilreflection2676]

What study is Mr. Hoe referencing regarding family income at 1:15:19?

[@RyanPatrickFlanagan]

1:12:56 mark - dude be putting Homer and Marge Simpson on the 1-10 matrix. Just earned himself a new subscriber.

[@robertlorenz2492]

I’m not going to lie, this discussion and the points made, makes this one of my favorite videos on the internet and I send it to a ton of people.

[@multivariateperspective5137]

The historical trends are aggregates of local acute data samples integrated in various ways to a simplistic stand ins. One of the largest problems is that most people cannot truly (I’m simplifying by merging those without the cerebral hardware or also those without the emotional-intellectual development) to truly understand multivariate analysis applied to current society

[@michaelmicek]

Fair enough, but what does your analysis suggest?

[@CuriousGeorge13]

I think a fundamental reason why modern academic historians don't concern themselves with patterns in history or the relevance of that to the present moment is that the vast majority have an ideological commitment to the liberal notion of progress and progressivism. If we are constantly on some utopian upward trajectory, then why would the past be relevant in that way? It is magical thinking, but much of the establishment is so deeply entrenched in the liberal project that they likely can't imagine any other possibility.

[@COSMICCHESH]

I just started watching bros content. Nice collab

[@SDsc0rch]

wow!two heavy hitters! teamed up!!

[@user-hx9yw3ln4b]

Brilliant insight. Much appreciated.

[@segurosincero4057]

Very nicely done gentlemen.