The 6 Most Extreme Societies Ever(We’re One).

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[@sorchigo]

“Few in continental Asia cried when Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nuked”. The deliver on that was so sinister.

[@abysswatcher9172]

Few in all of Asia really.

[@efxnews4776]

Well, it is true, westerners cried more than other asians when the bombs fall.

[@rubberuke]

I disagree that it was sinister. Cold maybe, but sinister?

[@FelipeJaquez]

Asia hates Asia more than anyone else

[@davrowpot5585]

His statements were true, though. Most of Imperial Japan's colonies, should I say, rejoiced when Hiroshima and Nagasaki was bombed. It's like "Ha! Totally deserved it" and "Oh no! Anyway..." kind of thing, even today. Most that remembers and learns the past atrocities made by Imperial Japan abhors them (look at South Korea and Japan today) and most choose to forgive them but never forget. It's like "I forgive you for f*cking us up when it was colonized by yours, but we will never ever forget what you guys did." What ticks me today, although I adore Japan and its culture, is that they (their government) try to erase or revise their history in their education system by making them the victims during the war (which is not, in historical case).

[@craftthemoon]

As they say, we truly do live in a society.

[@blu_nades]

A society where gamers don’t rule the world

[@joa5257]

@@blu_nades we truly do live in a society

[@MPHJackson7]

rise up

[@awsumguy-bh9pz]

*j o k e r*

[@stachman9531]

what society is the most Gamer?

[@5h0rgunn45]

"Iceland's rampant individualism sparked many chads who achieved incredible deeds." Yep, that sums up every Icelandic family saga pretty succinctly.

[@kakalimukherjee3297]

Never thought a sentence so historically significant could sound so much like a meme

[@boozecruiser]

Damn, now if only this was actual history and not just fantasies from sexually frustrated young men

[@5h0rgunn45]

@@boozecruiser The sagas are the Medieval equivalent of a Hollywood movie that's "based on a true story".

[@mickethegoblin7167]

@@boozecruiser they were

[@Asc0tty]

"The existence of Gandhi and Martin Luther King is extremely flattering to modern Western society since they would have been shot in any society" Both were shot to death.

[@GrigRP]

@@harrym7544 US government did kill MLK.

[@bigboineptune9567]

@@GrigRP That's a conspiracy theory.

[@bigboineptune9567]

He meant shot to death by their society's governments.

[@GrigRP]

@@bigboineptune9567 No, it isn't. We know the FBI had plots to murder him.

[@FelipeJaquez]

He meant never had the platform to speak in the first place.

[@marrvynswillames4975]

2:15 Fairness, 19th century Britain 7:10 Purity, Radical Wahhabism 13:01 Harm, The West after 1945 16:25 Liberty, Medieval Iceland 18:55 Loyalty, Imperial Japan 21:46 Authority, Qin Dynasty

[@sonofgreatsteppes9497]

Thanks for your efforts

[@5thnovemberscrivener634]

Excuse me you dropped this > 👑

[@randjan8592]

I guess modern China took a lot of inspiration from the Qin dinasty, as well as the Soviet Union.

[@cassiopesysg5423]

@@randjan8592 Authoritarian tradition is passed down through dynasties, and became part of China's social structure.

[@drsm7947]

@@cassiopesysg5423 that's why their always on civil war

[@cerridianempire1653]

dude just roasted every nation again for the third time and I love it

[@ingold1470]

The British one sounded like high praise from a certain point of view (although with caveats).

[@efxnews4776]

Lol, he completly ignored south americans again! I'm not sure if this is good or bad...

[@laurencefraser]

@@ingold1470 it wasn't the only one. These nations were all exemplifying extreme manifestations of concepts that were arguably virtues, and this getting the benefits of such to extents that are all but unattainable otherwise, which Is praiseworthy... But at the same time, in so doing they greatly neglected, or outright rejected, the others... With all the inevitable, and often contemptible and/or reprehensible downsides and problems that come from doing so

[@cerridianempire1653]

@@efxnews4776 that was his way of roasting them

[@breadman5048]

@@cerridianempire1653 lmao

[@WeeklyTubeShow2]

"I feel attacked." - The West

[@NKM5896]

That’s sorta the problem lol

[@Darkdayzz]

Basically

[@ln7929]

Poland: O Shit

[@fandyus4125]

I feel that's a good way to explain it, today's society in the west is progressively more and more unable to distinguish between feeling attacked and actually being attacked.

[@lif3andthings763]

What is the West?

[@ccityplanner1217]

There is a reason why the trolley problem, which would seem so foundational to ethics, was only devised in 1967: it is only relevant to our modern society because of our obsession with not directly causing harm. To almost any previous society, the solution would be obvious: you pull the lever. It's just that the centre ground in ours is so extreme.

[@ihavenojawandimustscream4681]

This!

[@liammcclish4291]

The vast majority of people agree with pulling the lever though. The interesting part is if we actually do it when presented.

[@johnhall87]

Obviously you pull the lever. Interestingly if say 3 people were in the train cart with none responsible for driving I could see nothing being done.

[@bryanlane7208]

Super stupid "problem". Unless your true goal is to find out whether someone is either a) a sociopath who actually wants to murder more people or b) really, really weak-willed.

[@michaelearthling]

just return the trolley to the supermarket and stop leaving them anywhere and everywhere.

[@L0stEngineer]

Whatifalthist is really good at saying things are bad, and they're going to get worse, but don't worry it has all happened before. Thank you for what you do.

[@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368]

Based on many metrics the world is doing better than it ever has. You're just ignorant and probably young so you don't have anything to compare to.

[@L0stEngineer]

@@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 There is much truth in what you are saying, i.e. the Earth is greening, poverty rates are plummeting, medical tech is near miraculous now AND malthusian pressures are waning as populations either stabilize or recede, but.... many things can be true at once. Whatifalt and many others point out that 2020-2040 are going to be severely turbulent due to water shortages, localized overpopulation, and simultaneous horrible demographics. That said, The 2040's through 2100 should be a good set of decades.

[@L0stEngineer]

@Louis le Prudent absolutely true. Both geopolitics and demographics can roughly predict what should happen, but can't account for a highly positioned idiot's ability to screw everything up.

[@VARVIS_]

Its strangely comforting

[@petersaint5581]

@@VARVIS_ I don't find it comforting! How tf am I supposed to appreciate 2056 if I can't survive 2040?

[@ihavetowait90daystochangem67]

If this guy ever makes a book on any subject, I’ll definitely buy it

[@just_a_turtle_chad]

Even about turtles

[@dunerh]

@@just_a_turtle_chad definitely about turtles

[@craftthemoon]

He started writing a historical fiction novel and made it pretty far, but pretty sure he quit on it

[@vyktorehon5995]

@@emtee9057 ues

[@DAndyLord]

@@just_a_turtle_chad Especially about turtles.

[@PeoplecallmeLucifer]

"Shit I'm gonna be late, they are gonna kill me! If I was the emperor this shit wouldn't happen... If I was the emperor... hmmmm"

[@andrewlechner6343]

This has probably happened in some form countless times but I guess it worked that one time. Wait I think same happened with napoleon.

[@etaoinshr]

It's interesting that three of these most extreme societies are island societies, and a fourth (Wahhabism) is arguably an "island" in its isolated origins in the Arabian desert. (The US in many ways operates as an island too, with only a couple neighbors.) I think being on a continent with adjacent societies forces you to rebalance these priorities.

[@ihaveseverefrootsnackism]

Oh definitely. Pretend I want to be a crazy country. I wouldn't want to be next to a bunch of neighbors who could call me out or stop me. Geographical isolation is good. I think there's a bit more as well -- If there's shared cultural values with other places, you'll also have that extra eye watching over that, and they'll get mad if you try to destroy the values. And another, language. If you speak the same language, it's really easy for them to express some kind of disagreement. If your language is super different, it's harder to communicate. And holy crap--language isolates, on the other hand, where NO language is like yours, allows for much more extreme situations I think. Japan. Checks all three boxes and is a language isolate. Iceland checks the boxes. Idk if there's more, feel free to add onto what I'm saying

[@Berserker3624]

What about China?

[@ihaveseverefrootsnackism]

@@Berserker3624 China- Desert to the west, Siberia to the north, ocean to the east, jungle to the south. Maybe it kinda works? Though I'm not really sure it functions as an island especially with people living in 3/4 of those areas I named

[@Berserker3624]

@@ihaveseverefrootsnackism no I was saying that a counter to what the guy said

[@ihaveseverefrootsnackism]

@@Berserker3624 o ok

[@liamwood487]

Hearing someone say 'chad' and not just reading the word is an odd experience, to say the least. It evokes a certain emotional reaction.

[@danshakuimo]

Hearing someone say chad in a completely serious and academic matter is definitely something new.

[@bluewatson4341]

Truly it is the new way to describe manliness

[@ricaard6959]

@@bluewatson4341 Which is not a good thing though.

[@Perrirodan1]

@@ricaard6959The perfect representation of Chad is supposed to be aristocratic in the purest sense. He is strong but doesn't use his strength for bad. He is someone you can trust and he pulls the whole world up. Chad is someone we should all strive to be more like. Chad is the overman, he is a bit like modern Jesus.

[@ricaard6959]

@@Perrirodan1 oh, well as far as I know "Chad" was the name given to men with sexual prowess, so I thought the use of that to describe masculinity, would be bad because of a multitude of reasons, I mean, I agree with what you're saying, we should all strive to be the best men we can possibly become, but to use that word, (which came to be from, well you know where it came from), wouldn't that take away the whole point of it, I mean if you're doing that, why not Peter(Spiderman) or Ben or something, I don't know, but Chad, it ain't cool, it originates from something which makes me ashamed of calling myself a man. I don't know, maybe I'm missing the point, is it supposed to be ironic or...? I'm not an original English speaker but I hope you get why I don't like the use of Chad to describe manliness.

[@cplhotpockets]

Not going to lie I kind of wish this guy would transition into doing more videos like this are commentaries and predictions rather than just pure alternative history

[@SlapStyleAnims]

Agreed

[@Cool-123]

why not both?

[@tobiaschaparro2372]

Lol he's doing that rn

[@ldelgg]

i like to keep it this way. Hes actually already transitioning a bit, but i kindda enjoy alternative history as much as predictions and commentaries. After all, its literally What if alt hist

[@christiandauz3742]

What if the Akkadian Empire/Ancient Sumerians Industrialized? Wonder how it would affect expansion, religion, civilization and technological development What effects it would have on Egypt, Indus Valley and China

[@b2theray883]

America: we are the most liberty-extreme society Medieval Iceland: hold my beer

[@Berserker3624]

To much liberty is bad look what happened to ice land or more prevent look at America that place is a shit hole of insane outcasts wanting to reshape the world into their sick version of ‘inclusion’

[@Berserker3624]

@Awe Sean uhhh ok…but I do advocate for imperialism…just read my other comments…besides better than calling myself something dumb “Awe Sean” or something…

[@BONK_2000]

@@Berserker3624 >be me >british imperial larper >travel back in time to 19th century England >has to work 18 hours a day in a workhouse so your boss can make more money >dies of starvation because you get injured at work and can't make any money >tfw you think the british empire was a good thing

[@Berserker3624]

@@BONK_2000 yeah it was. Anyway better than your socity of safety. "OhHoHoHo poooooooor bAbY you stubbed yOuR ToE dO yOu NeEd Me To dRiVe you ThE hOsPiTaL???" Yeah fuck your world I'd rather live in a hard filling life style than life that sad world.

[@miepmaster25]

@@Berserker3624 even broke your shin

[@ThatIcelandicDude]

Starting a petition to change the name of "Iceland" to "Chadland"

[@ihaveseverefrootsnackism]

yes

[@rahimeozsoy4244]

Sounds like being colonized by france, selling minerals cheap for food, deserts, poorness, starvation, drought

[@SP-rt4ig]

@@rahimeozsoy4244 And having your president die in a battlefield

[@Rickyrab]

Um, there's already a country called Chad in Africa...

[@NeostormXLMAX]

@@rahimeozsoy4244 france never even set foot on iceland? you pulling shit out of your ass?

[@PoliticsMadeSimple]

This dude never fails to deliver, wow.

[@willissanders5147]

Always hitting us up

[@ludovicodemolina]

plenty of typos and over generalizations

[@calebhalder1064]

I just liked Bc of your background

[@PoliticsMadeSimple]

@@calebhalder1064 Yes couldn’t have picked a better one for my Politics based Channel.

[@heyitstobias]

For a "historian" he sure loves to use the non-historian definition of communism.

[@flipplesnipples426]

23:58 Correction: That was another rebellion, the Dazexiang Uprising, which was crushed. Liu Bang (the Han dynasty founder) was a sheriff who escorted a bunch of convicts to a construction site, but one of his prisoners escaped, so he freed the others (because the punishment for losing a convict was death), and then some of the convicts became loyal to him.

[@nathanseper8738]

That's basically the gist of what he was saying: bending the rules was certain death.

[@Shadders2010]

I think 'Fairness' would be better called 'Merit' Those societies did not value fairness in any egalitarian sense but the notion that everyone got what they deserved.

[@Kaiserboo1871]

I actually agree with this. Victorian Britain was definitely not fair, but it was merit based.

[@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986]

Definitely agree he’s just using the same names for moral foundations as the book the video is based

[@chillaxon]

Just timestamps, you can use this for chapters! Intro: 0:00 Ad: 1:32 1. Fairness: 2:11 2. Purity: 7:06 3. Harm: 13:01 4. Liberty: 16:24 5. Loyalty: 18:55 6. Authority: 21:47 Outro: 24:30

[@swausgebouwen143]

Thank you!!

[@harshjain3122]

Thanks a lot...

[@harshjain3122]

commenting for visibility

[@Lestibournes]

Thanks

[@kenos911]

You are a god amongst men thank you

[@cplhotpockets]

Dear God this guy's cranking out excellent content Non-Stop

[@sigurdbigset]

Agreed

[@johnl.7754]

Some of which I’ve heard before

[@nathanli3024]

@@johnl.7754 Obviously, this stuff couldn't be worked out and throughout by one person in one or two months. Just the fact that he is able to put all this together is impressive enough.

[@vuchaser99]

I wish my brain would work as fast as his mouth. By the time I comprehend one statement of gold, I missed 3 others

[@HiturMan-nn5pc]

One of my favourite content creators, he covers fascinatingly interesting topics

[@morgansanderson9923]

Would you consider doing a reverse of this video, ie the society's that valued these traits the least

[@madhavgullapalli505]

plz do

[@AverageAlien]

that's literally the same as this video.....

[@jean-louispech4921]

Harm = societies strong on authority, purity and loyality

[@urphakeandgey6308]

It's odd to me that Hitler would be so set in his racism that he wouldn't ally with Slavs against the USSR, but he would ally with the Japanese.

[@forickgrimaldus8301]

The German Japanese Alliance that created the Axis was less an Alliance and more of lets do things together and not actually coordinate.

[@GuardianShad]

​@@forickgrimaldus8301I believe it was in fact the familiarity of the Slavs which makes his hatred of them seem quite natural. As the Japanese were so far away, they had done nothing as to arouse the anger of the Germans, who being a militaristic culture, valued the Japanese's apparent millitary prowess, considering they were rapidly forming an empire at the time. It makes quite a lot of sense, considering.

[@juliangoulette7600]

“Every extreme is on the same team!” -Jreg

[@alangivre2474]

Got the reference XD

[@roadhouse6999]

The Ancaps are gonna make us some cash The Nazis are gonna bring the fash The Ancoms are gonna let us get along The Commies are gonna sing sick songs

[@roadhouse6999]

@@deleteduser1877 yeah as a centrist libertarian I generally have respect for my ancom and ancap brethren until I actually interact with them

[@roadhouse6999]

@@deleteduser1877 fuckin weirdos. "Liberty, but not for the people we don't like."

[@youtubewatcher2680]

Jreg and all of the middle schoolers in this thread who haven’t seen sunlight since last November are all edgy losers

[@ButtersTheGreat1]

Tokogawa clan: *becomes Shogun after being a minor clan* Also Tokogawa clan: "cant let that happen again" *edit realize I said emperor corrected*

Politics

[@Croz89]

Gotta yank up the ladder behind you!

[@user-ft3jq5vi2l]

*Shogun

[@anartapoashan5714]

That was toyotomi Hideyoshi

[@ButtersTheGreat1]

@Skulmaster You're right

[@graywater2987]

"T R A N S - D I M E N T I O N A L C R I T I C A L R A C E Q U E E R T H E O R Y"

[@zinedinezethro9157]

"we live in a society, but what society?" *Vsauce music*

[@saxo689]

Good song fun comment section kzbin.info/www/bejne/in-VZpqeoMuah6M

[@LucasDimoveo]

Maybe the 'no playing outside' was a waspy thing, but in low-income neighborhoods, in NYC people often didn't have childcare, so kids just hung out with each other. I'd love to hear your speculation on how Martian societies would turn out.

[@SkylineFTW97]

I grew up in the very wealthy and waspy Montgomery County, Maryland. It didn't really become a thing until the late 2000s and early 2010s. When I was in elementary school (graduated 5th grade in 2008), kids playing outside unsupervised for hours at a time, even at age 5 or 6 was still normal.

[@thatguyontheinternetwithan5768]

It's mostly a thing in middle/upper middle class suburbia

[@darthutah6649]

That idea seems to stem from the idea of innocence which is supposed to mark your childhood with the idea being that the time between your birth and adolescence is very precious.

[@YegorChumakov]

In Eastern Europe there were maniacs and kidnappers who sold kids for organs or to use for sexual slavery/human trafficking in 90s/00s. Still kids played outside. But every kid knew the rules - don’t speak with unknown adults, don’t approach cars, don’t accept any treat, food or drink from a stranger.

[@willlewis6622]

I think its more than just fear of getting kidnapped, though that's a factor. Video games make it easier to stay inside and out from under foot of parents. Not saying video games are bad, just a factor

Latin america: If i don't move they won't notice me

[@freddy4603]

@Octavius "Why latin America, he skipped a lot of other places because of a lack of extreme large societies" could be one interpretation

[@luana.desousa6398]

Latin america is included in the western world so he did talk about it

[@luana.desousa6398]

@Octavius i don't think it has anything to do with english or germany but with the western civilization and it's pillars who created it which would be the Roman law, Greek Philosophy and Judeo-christian values. All 3 the basis of Latin america, the christian one being more present than in Europe and the US! Therefore i would also include the orthodox countries without a doubt such as Russia as part of the west. The thing is the average american thinks on the west as a synonym for NATO or something which is incorrect. I would not include the countries that adopted the concepts of western civilization (most only some aspects) later on such as Japan as western country for example though

[@Jotari]

@@freddy4603 Well if we say Latin America is not part of the west, but Australia and New Zealand are, then there's not too many places that aren't talked about here. The West gives us all of Europe, Wahhabism gives us the middle east plus north Africa. Even India was mentioned under British Raj. All of China was counted too. The only major regions not covered are Latin America, south Africa (as in the Southern half of the continent and not the country), central Asia and South East Asia. Southern Africa is the only one of those regions really comparable to Latin America (of course Wahhabism doesn't come nearly close to covering all of the Northern part of Africa, but Africa was still brought up in the video).

[@freddy4603]

@@Jotari I approve of this message and have no objections

[@inception_bwah1218]

“You’d best start believing in extreme societies - you’re in one!” - Capt. Barbossa

[@Burgermeister1836]

21:25 The "strange system" of "disobedience" you describe is probably just the Japanese interpretation of Prussian Auftragstaktik i.e. broad objective-based orders with lots of junior initiative, combined with the idea that the universal objective of increasing Japanese power was mandated by the Emperor i.e. God. Japan borrowed heavily from Germany and Britain for its army and navy doctrines, respectively.

[@Makofueled]

+1. Sounds like meritocratic and innovation seeking "ignore the insane old field marshal" talk to me.

[@noahwinberry2475]

I use this guys content for my world building, novel writing, and especially tabletop RPGs. Players: "Ok, so what's the deal with this culture? What makes them unique from the last continent we were on?" Me: *channels recent Whatifalthist* "they hold liberty above all else. Think medieval Iceland" Them: *Minds blown* Seriously though, while I disagree with some of his assessments and conclusions, this channel sports some of the most thoughtful content on the KZbins. It's nice to have a content creator that isn't afraid to talk to us like we're adults and take deep-dives into complex subjects and literature

[@blondemario]

I beg to differ. The videos seem to match a lot of the descriptors of the fast money KZbin analytics channel. Also, he never lists any sources.

[@randjan8592]

@@blondemario good point about sources! Sources are most important!

[@pollall2793]

@@blondemario That’s not true, he lists sources in the form of books constantly.

[@neo-filthyfrank1347]

tabletop rpgs are massive cringe

[@austrakaiser4793]

@@pollall2793 Ikr, what kind of loser still uses the internet for information XD

[@Full_Egoism]

The last time I was this early Britain was Roman.

[@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368]

Last time I was this early, these memes weren't beaten to death like a dead horse.

[@stahleis]

@@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 wow calling memes dead is so original and not under every such comment, congratulations on being exactly like him.

[@Cooom]

What type of roman

[@john_smith_john]

@@stahleis "the only way to be be correct is to be 100% original"

[@ezramiller8936]

Seriously, get a marketing manager. You and your content deserve as much. I've seen less full bodied approaches from college professors. People need this right now.

[@seanirby8838]

"The beauty of harm?" I greatly enjoy your channel, but Jigsaw called and said he's concerned about you.

[@fukpoeslaw3613]

😂

[@jwil4286]

*Pictures of Shi Huangdi, Mao Zhedong, and Xi Jinping* Corporate needs you to find the differences between these pictures. (they're the same picture)

[@janvancura8412]

Virgin China Uncesored who wants to CCP fall apart because they are evil vs Chad Me who wants to see them last long so we can see all the horrors they are able to do

[@1000eau]

@@janvancura8412 Extreme societes don't last long

[@janvancura8412]

@@1000eau Luckely you are right but they can do horors before they die

[@ingold1470]

Xi Jinping likes this, probably.

[@themagalanium9491]

@@janvancura8412 so at the end of all societies they just delve into depravity and hell because, why not?

[@gyurto]

As a young researcher myself, I would be thankful if you could mention your sources in the descriptions as many of them seem incredibly useful.

[@fandyus4125]

I couldn't agree more with the problems you highlighted about our fear-of-harm based society. I live in the Czech republic where I feel this hasn't necessarily been as prevalent, yet I can see tendencies from the west seeping in and it is horrifying. If this place ever comes to resemble the US I will probably pack up and leave, don't know where I could possibly go though.

[@buckplug2423]

You have a choice between unhealthy prosperity in the West and healthy (or as healthy as a post-Communist country can be...) poverty in the East.

[@artvrrvtra5235]

Fandyus, I agree, the same thing happens in Poland. But I think being on the frontier, the outskirts, these kinds of countries always retain some kind of individuality - as things change in the centre (USA, China). As long as you have people (for example, among my circles, essentially everyone agrees that it's fucked up) saying and thinking that it is wrong; eventually, society will take a new form.

[@artvrrvtra5235]

@@greywolf7577 There is no fascism in Poland, nor in the World. The ruling party is not any more or less corrupted than the party before that, it's just that this time the scandals are nationalistic/ideologic in nature (which led to lots of political people in Europe to talk about that in order to fuel the nazi paranoia in their respective societies). Freedom of speech and the Judges were always a target here, to expand the state's power (in other words, it's something each prime minister slowly worked towards) but not in any way that would mean we are somehow "not free" or fascist. Do your research beyond reading an article from something like the Guardian.

[@Berserker3624]

Why not Russia? Anything the west does Russia naturally wants to the exact other thing.

[@artvrrvtra5235]

​@Patrick Ellis Pis is ideologically nationalistic and economically socialist. Using the Left and Right-wing rhetoric is absurd, essentially every party in our nation (and in most of the others) is on the Left side of the spectrum because their economical ideas are the most important part, not the ideological ones. Their "believes" are there to get the votes, but their "plans" involve almost only rising the taxes and preparing new social support - doesn't sound like something a Libertarian or capitalistic government would do, right? There are no "ultranationalistic" tendencies, what is that even supposed to mean? They are pushing to expand their power, that's that. Were the regulations after 9/11 "ultranationalistic" or were the reforms after The Great Crisis "ultranationalistic" or maybe "ultrapatriotic"? You see why this is absurd. Just adding the word "ultra" and hoping that it will all make sense seems like something a primary school student would do. Fascism is a political ideology - just decreasing the liberties of your population doesn't make you a fascist, that would mean for example Americans are living in the Nazi state since II World War, because of their Presidents decreasing their independence and power. Saying someone is fascist or authoritarian or populist are just distractions. The only thing that matters is their economical plan (as politics are just an extension of economics). And Pis's plan is very left-wing, so I really can't find a single point in your argument. Last point: people in Poland don't really care, at least most of them, about being Western or Eastern. The country is run by a clique leftover from the times Communists controlled everything. Western societies appear to have the ambition to inspire us (and others like us) to be enlightened and kind people of tolerance - which essentially caused this society to completely reject that. Everybody here saw how Western media took the photos of our Independence March a few years ago to show that we are full of fascists - but now they took the same photos to show how much we hate our fascist government. The point being - focus on your own problems, the West ruined the world in the last 50 years, fucked up our relations with Russia, caused China to become the new USSR, obliterated any trace of reason from the Middle East, formed the almost international welfare state that can only exist as long as we are rich and exploiting any strategic resource we can find. Your words say one thing, but your hands are in my pockets. People here are disillusioned with your western bullshit, that is why it went so far that Pis managed to land almost 20% of support in the population. It was a signal to Germany, France and England and USA and Russia and China, that Poland can ditch European Union if they are pushed too far. It was a diplomatic threat, not a rise of Nazism. Again: do your research. Stop treating us like children that don't know the enlightened ways of democracy. We had democracy hundreds of years before any of you, we know how to handle it.

[@Xydorf]

Democracy is flawed: This guy's vote is worth as much as mine.

[@CountingStars333]

Democracy is balanced. Elites get to lead. Conservative and Liberalism is maintained.

[@sabreTXC3]

@@CountingStars333 I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or actually believe that

[@hirocheeto7795]

Better than no votes at all.

[@gaiusjuliuspleaser]

@liam Anderson That's like saying, "Alright fellas, we have the steam engine, the best machine ever created up until the present day, let's never improve on it or invent anything better ever again." If there are flaws in the system, they ought to be fixed. Anything else is defeatist.

[@waifupatter4193]

@liam Anderson it's one of the worst systems ever invented crumbling and failing to last a measly 200 hundred years, a system as unstable and petty as communism itself

[@ivanmiskuljic2634]

Last time I was this early Roman Empire stood still

[@1000eau]

Good old times

Latin America: Si no me muevo talvez no se den cuenta que estoy aqui...

[@fearlesspotato3429]

A funcionado hasta ahora

[@lucaslevinsky8802]

Mandioca

[@lore9828]

Siempre funciona

[@efxnews4776]

Sociedade baseada em se esconder. kkkkkkk

[@baronvonjo1929]

Somebody translate for this poor english speaking boi :(

[@burper-oe6tm]

I have a short attention span so I never watch a video that’s more than a couple minutes in one go, but this man, this man kept me hooked through entire thing. This man has talent.

[@pavelZhd]

Well, the first example of society that "values hard work, and punishes laziness" being a society that forces some people to fo grueling work for next to no pay, and also upholds monarchy. Oh boy, we are off to a good start already...

[@j.m.d.a1496]

I was talking to a girl after 10 months of not doing it but i had to leave her to see this video

[@nukebloc]

based

[@ryanb1388]

Bruh why did you leave? Just wait until you were done talking to her to watch the video. It’s kinda rude to just leave in the middle of a conversation.

[@lamowkachow4597]

@@ryanb1388 really though, treat others how you want to be treated

[@yonathanrakau1783]

Based

[@mattsavigny6084]

My man has his priorities straight.

[@Max-zg9qf]

I was about to go to sleep and then I saw the notification. I guess I’ll be falling asleep in class tomorrow

[@disisdamoment2214]

Same lol

[@theleader4620]

same

[@QuantumAscension1]

at least you'll have some sweet, historical information to talk about, lol

[@Sh0tgunJust1ce]

"The existence of Gandhi and Martin Luther King is extremely flattering to modern Western society since they would have been shot in any society." Yeah...about that...

[@andrewlechner6343]

They weren't executed by the government which was point whatifalist was making. Both were jailed multiple times but never killed.

[@xman4399]

@@andrewlechner6343 MLK wasn’t just jailed, he was also spied on, and if I remember right the FBI tried to get him to kill himself.

[@andrewlechner6343]

@@xman4399 but they didn't take him into the woods and put a bullet in his head. That is what would have happened in most countries in history.

[@Skittnator]

@@andrewlechner6343 nah they just did on a balcony of a motel.

[@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986]

@@Skittnator is they wanted him dead they’d have done many years before easily long before the civil rights movement got any traction. In most societies any perceived subversive threat like that would be eliminated immediately without question and would happily do so in any other time or place

[@Osiris2134]

I’ve always had this sense of awe when reading about the suicidal devotion of the Japanese fighters of the Second World War. The ability to drop everything and eagerly sign up to kill yourself in hopes of bringing the enemy with you for the glory of your homeland is a trait that I both admire and fear. During the gyokusai charge at the battle of Saipan, even the wounded partook in the charge. Which is just….wow. They were super intense.

[@patnor7354]

Courage is a lot easier though when you have butchered and abused those members of the enemy that fell into your power and you know they will be all to happy to return the favour. On the other hand see how easily the Japanese surrendered to the Soviets in Manchuria once they attacked and the Japanese had no reason to fear retaliation for war crimes...

[@zapy9715]

NOW Let's create a society that maxes out ALL OF THE SOCIETAL MORAL VALUES!

[@andrewlechner6343]

That would be a nightmare on so many levels. Let's do it

[@baronofbahlingen9662]

Would probably be a tribal society of some kind.

[@comradekenobi6908]

I would like Radical Neutrality like the Swiss please

[@comradekenobi6908]

@Bolshevik Breaker Yes 😎

[@FOGGYlama123]

Funny how Authority and Liberty are opposites

[@thatithat3071]

Last time i was this early, KZbinrs uploaded in my timeline

[@daroachdawgjr]

N.

[@ccityplanner1217]

Last time I was this early, it was to one of my own videos.

[@biropgrules]

god i love hearing honest, savage yet critically thought out arguments.

[@masstv9052]

Correction: at 0:31 the chart shows 6 things (Harm, Fairness, Ingroup, Authority, Purity). Then you put up a black background with white text for an explanation of these 6 definitions that were going to be used for judging nations (yet your explanation only lists 5. And then some of the words being used for explanations are different than the words used on the initial chart). I believe a correction should be made about what exact 6 or 5 word definitions were used. Thank you. Not trying to be a difficult pain in the Arse. Just wanting clarification because I love your videos and believe you have a higher standard for accuracy than most channels.

[@batuhankocyigit8826]

Even though you do not agree with him, you watch him because he talks about good topics

[@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986]

Lol I agree with him more than most people I listen to

[@cazwalt9013]

Out of all the things I've seen in his channel there are only like 2 or 3 things i disagree on

[@jesuschrist2268]

What are you on about?

[@anappropriatehandle]

yeah he is wrong about almost everything but no one else does this

[@const1453]

He is very pro liberal in his way of thinking. Modern world shows without any doubt that liberalism is bad. He thinks democracy is good which is a ref flag already that he cannot break out the 20fh century mindset.

[@Lichcrafter]

This came at the perfect time to help me get over getting a bad grade on an important test, thanks.

[@cathalmp]

I love your channel because it just gives such an interesting perspective that you don't normally see. Just spitting out straight facts that people don't like hearing but they're facts based on actual research, not some emotional bias.

[@thiagovidal6706]

it’s incredible what knowledge can do, personally i’m more on the social left side, and i do think that whatifalthist is a little biased when he talks about it, but he just being knowledgeable and seeking more of it, i just don’t really care, because i know he’s not stupid and he’s opinions come from racional thinking

[@hueyg206]

They’re not really rational though. They’re just his personal views without an actual understanding of history or how those movements began.

[@ihaveseverefrootsnackism]

@@hueyg206 what is your understanding of it?

[@hueyg206]

@@ihaveseverefrootsnackism he sweeps over tons of relevant information and clearly he doesn’t actually know very much about recent history.

[@AverageAlien]

@@hueyg206 ok then debunk one thing he say's, can't wait to hear your views

[@AverageAlien]

@@hueyg206 guaranteed you're some offended tankie or fash imperialist

[@super_shag8685]

"Very few in continental Asia cried when Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nuked" Why does It feel like you're the few westerners to acknowledge that what the Japanese war machine did was Worse than 2 Atomic bombs combine?

[@life-hardenedschoolstudent2284]

The truth is cold, grim, and unpleasant But it's still truth nonetheless

[@mrdoot0730]

it took 1 general to permit, 1 man to pilot a plane, and one to release a bomb thats 200k deaths caused by these 3 man it needed an entire garison at Nanking to kill as much we arent feeling sad for them, we are feeling scared of the sheer power of what it took about 3 man to kill hundreds of thousands

[@elrond3737]

@@mrdoot0730 The huge effort to build the bomb is crazy. Over 100,000 were involved in it's development... but most didn't know it. As a side note I think it would have taken about 50 more nukes to equal the death that Japan inflicted on China. 10+ million

[@mrdoot0730]

@@elrond3737 i agree that japan warcrimes are worse then the nukes, but what im saying is that what we talk about aint the warcrime part, is the nuke part, seeing a nuclear bomb decimate everything is really scary

[@elrond3737]

@@mrdoot0730 nukes scare me. I remember being a kid during the cold war. I used to have nightmares about nuclear war

[@juliantheapostate8295]

Whatifalthist, I'm a fan of the channel but you need to do more in depth reading about WW2. Germany determined she had enough fuel to support offensive operations until Oct 41 - this is even after consuming the bulk of Romania's oil. The only other 2 sources of oil significant enough at that time to power the Heer were in Texas and the Soviet Caucasus. This is the reason for Barbarossa, with fuel and food shortages making the collapse of the regime inevitable, Hitler had no choice but to invade to secure the food and oil. The original target in 1941 was the South of the USSR, but Halder's interference favoured the drive to Moscow. It was only in 1942 that Hitler finally got his wish to drive south to secure Maikop, Grozny, Stalingrad and Astrakahn (although actually occupying Stalingrad was not part of the original plan). The plan was to seize everything along the river to the Caspian Sea, take all the oil and prevent it being sent north to the main Soviet forces. Instead Hitler was running out of time so he split the army group and tried to grab the oil AND secure the river line at the same time, when the plan was supposed to do them one after the other. The lack of fuel, and poor logistics is what prevented his victory, along with the shortage of veteran soldiers as many died in 41. The Soviets didn't turn tail and run, they fought bitterly at almost every stage. Germany had more than enough raw manpower, equipment and ammunition to win, so having more Baltic or Balkan allies would not have helped. They needed the German veterans they had lost, and they needed the fuel (and better roads and railways!) They didn't need more under-equipped and (relatively) inexperienced allies consuming the already scarce fuel or ammunition (the latter scarce more due to logistics than lack of supply)

[@juliantheapostate8295]

@fuqc goggul I am, he helped me get into Glantz, Mark, Stahel and all the rest. WW2 really does not reward a cursory glance. A lot of the preconceptions I held were wrong until I started reading in detail

[@willforest5302]

Don't forget that the British obsession with fairness led to the British crusade against slavery

[@Bribridude130]

I just started a sociology course in college. As a Whatifalthist fan, this video is very relevant and useful to me now.

[@ivanivanovski4886]

Holy dang this is the most insightful video I've seen in a long time.

[@MrKatastrof1]

You’re doing more cutting edge historical work then most universities. Bravo.

[@jackjones7062]

Wow this feels like the content jordan peterson tries to create but he doesn't do it nearly as academically. The whole idea of a moral code all humans relate to on some level, even if its' interpreted and used in vastly different ways. Great video

[@bryanlane7208]

Agreed. I generally agree with JP but sometimes he gets kind of off the rails with the Biblical mythology stuff. It sounds like he took too many psychedelics and has a case of academic pareidolia.

[@chandlerblachut3878]

You are going hard with video content lately and I love it. Keep at it!

[@man-o-arizona5166]

The fact that this channel is underrated is a crime, fantastic job my friend.

[@ortherner]

Ah yes, 100K and underated

[@man-o-arizona5166]

I just wish more people watched his content

[@stahleis]

Yeah what a great crime, a channel not having unreasonable amounts of views. Name seems to be program here

[@timurermolenko2013]

@@man-o-arizona5166 nah, most people prefer stupid things, rap, minecraft

[@cefalopodo5717]

@@ortherner well, underrated means "below how it should be rated". 100K is a lot but I think we can all agree that it should be higher!

[@pinkdirt8652]

This is by far the best channel i know of. He somehow a finds a subject that i haven’t really heard of or vaguely heard of and is able to explain it concisely with sources and data to back it up. Fantastic work recently.

[@colinmcisaac6263]

"the existence of MLK is flattering because he would have been shot in any other society" bro you DO know what happened to him in this one right??

[@theeasyway9432]

Brain dead centrist

[@kojoarmah3915]

I believe he meant that if had been anywhere else he'd have been assassinated before his voice got national attention. Your point is still valid though lol

[@ravanpee1325]

@@kojoarmah3915 The FBI tried to blackmail and taped him. So escalation of violence step by step.

[@cia8176]

@@theeasyway9432 hey. I just checked and there is more then heathly brain activity in his head. Btw since your mad at him for 1. Saying fact 2. Being a centrist i can guess that your either a libtard, stalinist, or nazi. Which is it?

[@MaggotDiggo1]

@@cia8176 He's probably just a Jreg fan.

[@TheBrakingBrothers]

I am loving these videos, keep up the great work

[@TSGC16]

Could you do a video about potentially new independent countries in the future?

[@ForbiddenFollyFollower]

Especially in America.

[@texasforever6950]

@@ForbiddenFollyFollower I’d be so down to see that

[@donwarren3253]

@@ForbiddenFollyFollower Maybe Night City like in Cyberpunk 2077?

[@demun6065]

He kind of has done that in "countries that will collapse", where he talked about borders changing and stuff.

[@TSGC16]

@@demun6065 that aint the same tho

[@ForbiddenFollyFollower]

0:45 "American conservatives are pretty balanced in all of these categories" conservatives: *whose the centrists now grillers?!*

[@dalesajdak422]

People who think all American politics is far-right: **surprised pikachu face**

[@argon7479]

@@dalesajdak422 I mean they are. Morality doesn't determine economic or alot of political views.

[@christiandauz3742]

1/6 disagrees

[@veemie8148]

@@argon7479 True. A lot of people's politics actually betrays their values, and they're too ignorant to notice.

[@argon7479]

@@veemie8148 I mean capitalism is an extremely immoral system, yet christians prodominantly support it. Jesus even says in the bible that it's easier for a criminal beggar to go to heaven than a faithful rich person. He also said the fastest way to heaven was to give away all your possessions.

[@micahistory]

man whatifalthist has been on fire recently, his videos are so brilliantly explained

[@mrgeorgejetson]

Great video, but a quick note on pronunciation of Chinese place names: "Nanking" is pronounced "Nanjing"--just as "Peking" is pronounced "Beijing." The pronunciation of these place names has been consistent for centuries, and both of these oddities and many more (Tsing Tao beer is pronounced "Ching Dao") are the result of an extremely strange system of transliteration that has been given up in favor of the current (and still far from perfect) Pin Yin system. Anyway, thanks for all your hard work!

[@Broke_Ogre]

"possible future reincarnation of Stalin" I love this channel

[@williamdean377]

It's crazy how insightful you are in these videos.

[@peepeemgee1656]

Man i love your videos, so varied yet so informational. Keep it up man!

[@abcdef27669]

Iceland coming back to Norwegian sphere of power, after several civil wars. Norway: "You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me".

[@ThatIcelandicDude]

And we had to pay for that mistake for 700 years, rest assured we won't be making it again.

[@indieandalternativemusic4239]

I love how you’re branching out with your content

[@butterskywalker8785]

Man this is the best channel with politics as a subjects ever, you're underrated

[@PoliticsMadeSimple]

100% He is probably gonna reach a million in this year.

[@DirtMerchant693]

eeeeh i think he's a bit too generous with his views, treating them as facts that will help him predict the future or explain the past

[@heureux_nervosa_4746]

There is the issue of their bias against left-wingers, often making statements contradictory to facts. This is especially confusing when there are much better arguments against a system. One of the facts they brought up against communism were lower birth rates, which is a lie. A nation like North Korea (a totalitarian communist regime) may have low birth rates, but they are still higher than South Korea (a democratic capitalist republic). Even in this video, Whatifalthist mentions how leftists are anti-market, when that is simply not true. Extreme leftists may be anti-market, but most still want to trade goods in markets with fiat money. This is the equivalent of saying that all right-wingers want no social welfare, an obvious lie. Either way, Whatifalthist is an amazing historian and youtuber. And if you are wondering, I am not a leftist.

[@madladjad9936]

7:22 lol never thought I’d see my pastor in an alt history video

[@jonahi1304]

does he stop you guys from "dancing" :D

[@unibeastbeats]

I love your channel, very well presented topics and I learn so much new every time

[@MPHJackson7]

Another great video. I'm not sure why, but I find it really interesting when you analyze modern societies in the same way you analyze past ones. It kinda puts our world into perspective.

[@zainkhan69420]

I always get excited when you upload! Great content as always. Fills me with a bit of hope almost.

[@micahistory]

i love how you explained the positives of the value and then how it negatively affects and ultimately destroys a society but also explain why they value that thing

[@franklinhadick2866]

That was an as usual fascinating lecture, I truly enjoy your perspective on these events, more please. And don't sugar coat them.

[@samoobrulj8289]

Your recent videos are absolute elite god tier!

[@user-bx2sj4nz3m]

"3rd-wave transdimensional critical race-wave theory" lol

[@antonteodor6305]

You sir are amazing. I have seen many history documentaries, but none delve as deep into the flesh of society - its culture & values - as you do. Most histories just show the events, whereas you show the social causes and make the events themselves seem inevitable.

[@Breathtaker5000]

Words can not describe how much I love this channel

[@jh5401]

This video is so fascinating. I love learning about the real ideological tides that happen throughout the world as people move their focuses from one place to another, forgetting about other important things. I wonder if this tidal change could ever become much more settled.

[@rvnsglcr7861]

This is the best normative ethics anchored geopolitical channel on KZbin.

[@fullmetaltheorist]

Medieval Iceland sounds like a very chill place to live. Pun intended.

[@numberslettersass]

Thank you for great content. Its on point and very insightful.

[@sidzero]

Makes me wonder if the social justice movement, and cancel culture specifically, is turning us from a guilt-based society to a fear-based one.

[@kasrakhatir]

Not likely in my opinion. Remember that at the end of the day SJ society mainly consists of capitalists who want to sell you something.

[@noahkidd3359]

People hound on the 'social justice movement' but ultimately I think that it is doing far more good than harm. There seems to be a pattern when it comes to social justice movements in the 20th/21st centuries. First people whine and moan incessantly about the social justice advocates and the issues they bring up. For example, people whined about the advocates fighting to decriminalize gay sex incessantly during the 1960s and 1970s. They also griped about the advocates fighting to legalize gay marriage in the 1990s and 2000s. And when feminists demanded basic legal and political equality in the 1920s, 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s, they provoked a bitter backlash. Then the changes advocated by these 'social justice warriors' get implemented. Soon, the changes that they fought for become seen as normal and are taken for granted. We now take it for granted to gay sex should be legal. We take it for granted that black people should have the right to vote. We take it for granted that women should have the right to vote, unimpeded access to birth control, the freedom to engage in politics, and the right to not be discriminated against in the workplace. We now more or less take it for granted (in Western societies) that gay people should have the right to marry. Now advocates are fighting to limit police brutality, which is disproportionately targeted towards black people. Now advocates are fighting to limit sexual harassment in the workplace. Now advocates are fighting to end the brutal stigmatization of transgender people. And people are furious -- just like they were when advocates fought for women's suffrage, the legalization of gay sex, and gay marriage. The incessant whining and moaning about contemporary social justice movements seems to me to be part of a pattern of blind backlash against social justice advocacy. Are some social justice advocates morons? Of course. Do some social justice advocates come up with silly ideas that should be disregarded? Absolutely. But this has always been the case with social justice advocacy. Some advocates will be stupid and some ideas proposed by these advocates will be stupid. But does it make sense to throw out the baby with the bathwater? Does it make sense to malign all contemporary social justice movements as 'mainly consisting of capitalists,' as kasra khatir said in his response? Does it make sense to condemn contemporary social justice advocacy as a whole when these social justice advocates actually have many good ideas?

[@andrewlechner6343]

@@noahkidd3359 I think they social justice movement has gotten worse over the years. At first they were fighting for rights large parts of population using nonviolent protest. The movement to get women the right to vote is the best example of this. But as time has gone on they are getting more annoying and extreme for the average person. The best example of this are the differences between 1st, 2nd, and 3rd wave feminists. While each wave has fought for different rights for women, 3rd wave feminism has become a turnoff for even larger segments of the population than the first 2 waves. It also doesn't help that some things the fight for are largely already solved or nonexistent. There also the problem of intersectionality, which makes the movement act hypocritical due to the different values of different minorities. I believe the movement still has some worth but it has reform before gets any worse which many people already believe it has.

[@baileyi594]

@@noahkidd3359 very true. I just wonder how fair and equal they can make society before then advocating for communism. Which I have began to see increasingly

[@taliyahofthenasaaj7570]

@@andrewlechner6343 Ever since the very first protests for universal suffrage, there were multiple sides to it. There were suffragists who wanted to achieve their goals through peaceful means, discussion, education and argument, and there were suffragettes that were militant and took protests to much further lengths, frequently breaking the law. They were arrested and still protested in jail. There's a line that can be drawn, where property-owning women were more likely to call for peaceful means, while working-class women were more likely to be militant and law-breaking. It's not absolute, but it represents majorities in each group. The world revolves (and revolved) around money and property, so naturally those with property will be less directly affected by issues such as these, and are more likely to be less comitted to action or result. Not to discredit comitment of anybody, because one can be very comitted to peaceful change, but it's much easier to abandon a peaceful comitment than a violent one, should the consequences start to reer their heads. Violence and law-breaking actions have been a part of protests since the very beginning, even the feminist protests. They weren't outside agitators or bad apples among the good ones. They were and have been integral parts of the movements that sustain the presence of peaceful actors.

[@fnando1281]

I just was on a binge of your videos. Its such a delight that you just uploaded this

[@EdeYOlorDSZs]

Amazing video, they are so information-dense that I have to recap & digest the core information after the video has ended

[@numberpirate]

I have always viewed the relationship of socialism to capitalism like the yin and yang. You need socialist elements in a society to level the playing field and help the down trodden while needing the capitalist aspects to motivate the population in to producing.

[@xiijinpingthesupremeleader1349]

I agree 100%

[@space1546]

Well, socialism as a concept is more tied to the mutual-aid based societies derived from the writings of Kropotkin, so it actually is more of a community built around helping eachother and benefiting those who help the most through social connection. In otherwords, it technically does both. You're idea of socialism is just clouded by the split between the factions of Marx and Bakunin that resulted in the Marxist sect focusing on capitalism and authoritarianism as tools that could be used to achieve socialism

[@benjaminbaki1758]

@@space1546 TALK TO THEM

[@space1546]

@@benjaminbaki1758 ???

[@OverlordDurash]

17:39 "I WILL DRINK FROM YOUR SKULL" ".......its almost harvesting season!"

[@prestondobber]

Back again with ANOTHER banger

[@1Madlycat]

I love this content far more than I ever liked your alternate history content.

[@XanarchistBlogspot]

Great analysis, thanks for doing the work of making this thought provoking video.

[@JTL1776]

The west needs to have fear of harm but needs to strengthen up. If west is to keep hegemony it needs strength not fear.

[@ThatCrazyKid0007]

Nah, we need to go back to regional powers and a balanced world order. Competition is the essence of progress.

[@MemeMarine]

@@ThatCrazyKid0007 a balanced world order would require Europe to shed their incredible fear of harm and start competing with the US economically, technologically, culturally, and militarily. In all these respects Europe is far in the dust.

[@Ruairitrick]

@@ThatCrazyKid0007, the idea a nation or block would stop pursuing hegemony so they could have more competition, which drives progress through the pursuit for hegemony, is completely backwards.