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[@Hungarian_]

that thumbnail is priceless

[@ilayakreb2316]

this set was a while ago and when i look back at this i definitely didnt use neutral at all didnt really poke i was just scared but i definitely played well defensively it could have been better but its an experience its always an honor to play tmm but feng is a nightmare to play against tbh if he used kenpo more i probably wouldnt have won a game oh well i think i have improved some since this set manage to get tekken god yesterday thanks for all the encouraging words tmm

[@BiggWerv]

Keep it up bro sick lee

[@ilayakreb2316]

@@BiggWerv thanks

[@Section8dc]

Any fellow Lee main has my undying respect, your patience was noteworthy and I thought you played very very well my friend! Elegance is what matters in the end

[@Leocorde82]

Like how far back? Just curious Any tips for a beginner trying to play Lee? Wp bro

[@ilayakreb2316]

@@Section8dc thank you EXCELLENT

[@CosmicVoid420]

TMM is like the first Feng I've ever seen to use 4~3 in the neutral and not do a b3+4 every 2.5 seconds.

[@JPROP-vb7sv]

Glad to hear he will try Raven. Imortalxsoul got me addicted to her awhile back. She is so fun to play.

[@GeneralSpecific3]

TMM really is playing Feng too honestly like that one person said. He played him like a B tier character instead of the S tier he is. He didn't properly utilize so many moves that make Feng special. He didn't use kenpo, he didn't use back 1, he didn't use his own magic 4 into shoulder, he barely utilized back turn, he only got one launching punch parry, he didn't use shifting cloud parries. The shifting cloud parries would have been a great counter to Lee's multi-hit magic 4. The list could go on. What he did use wasn't super optimized either but he can get a pass on that since this character isn't his main but there's so much he didn't do even though he's aware of them considering he did a lot of those moves in his Feng breakdown video.

[@anon3631]

yeah, those wall enders made me cringe so hard

[@oveliaeinsberg9838]

He still won a lot of matches so fuck your bullshit mindset on how to play "properly". It literally does not matter how you play a Tekken character as long as you know the fundamentals of reading mind games. You can be the most optimal skilled player and you can still lose to a tier 1 if that tier 1 is good with reading your moves. Being optimal does not always make you a better player. In the case of Tekken, being optimal is a bad move because it is super predictable. Swe is just good in general. He may not main Feng, but damn he knows how to read the opponents tactics.

[@GeneralSpecific3]

@@oveliaeinsberg9838 Easy does it, no need for hostility. I think you're missing the point of my comment. TMM is good at Tekken, no argument there. He is good at Tekken even if it's his first day playing a character. That doesn't mean he is good with the character though, only that he is good at Tekken and is good at understanding the chess match against opponents. Saying "It literally does not matter how you play a Tekken character" is where I strongly disagree. Many of his complaints about playing against Lee could have been alleviated by using the character the way he is meant to be used. Towards the end, TMM even said his opponent was using Lee the way he was supposed to be used. Why would anyone want to ignore a character's moveset? What is the point of having more than one character in the game if what you say is true?

[@1991jj]

The expectation on TMM to play all characters optimally is way too unrealistic. He just beat Grog 2 zip with Kazuya in the qualifier. I think he's comfortable playing Kaz and a few others really well while playing other characters for fun.

[@GeneralSpecific3]

@@1991jj Sure that's why I said he gets a pass for not optimizing things but there are some obvious Feng tools he shouldn't have neglected

[@eamsamaraka486]

"i have been playing for an hour" 40 mins of loading screen 20 mins of actual gameplay

[@kimdojo2622]

Kind of wild once you realize that most of these sets at this point are either with kreb or with toto

[@liqonmadiq5007]

4:59 finally I been wanting to see you play master raven!!!

[@gabrielwhippy7909]

Yooo bro, vids are too good

[@aesop712]

That was a sick set.

[@anish.r.j1555]

I think chat should have reminded TMM of b1. Would have made this set easier.

[@SaltedMallows]

4:15 Lee wall crumble

[@Aebalard]

A big hallo to the whole mainman community, as well as to our favorite button magician. Hope u all doin good. I got a little question. Did anyone know a good page, where i can find generell tips on how to face every charakter? I once found a convincing one, but sad to say i forgot the adress. Stay healthy my friends and keep on trainin to do magic on that bottons!

[@Akario3]

8 minute guides are the shortest and most concentrated sources of match up info to my knowledge. Next bet would be the Tekken Zaibatsu Discord.

[@Aebalard]

@@Akario3 Thanks for the response my friend! I will check out the discord as soon as i can

[@chellejohnson9789]

Battle of the overlooked top 10's. One's too easy, and the other is too hard

[@painandpyro]

Does he not know that Acid Rain is launch punishable if they don't end with the high??

[@matejstemberk8110]

I think i played against this Lee in a quick match. This customization is so familiar

[@hassanaliyounas7519]

dude why dont you use back kenpo to create whiff ?

[@taylorbee4010]

I think lee is a great character he's just nerfed by the game he's in right now

[@AMK316]

@ 23:50 mainman acting like this lee is really good lol. Dude randomly throws out acid storms, flow charts armor after d3, using b243 string like a poke and not ducking the second hit any times. No disrespect to mainman or this guy but he’s not good lol. I’ve played fightingGM a bunch and this guy would be free compared to that

[@ilayakreb2316]

yeah man my neutral was definitely bad and i use f333 cause tmm always waited for the follow up but no excuses you are right but also why would you compare me to gm he is one of the best lee's of all time probably the best lee tbh did i make mistakes sure i am only human everyone does thats why i play ranked to get better knowing something doesnt mean you can execute it in a real game there is a lot more i can say but all i am gonna say it its just really scary to fight feng i dont know what to do against him most of the time but yeah i agree i am not good but i try to get better

[@AMK316]

@@ilayakreb2316 I hope you didn’t take any offense. I just felt mainman a was exaggerating a bit. I’m not saying you’re bad or anything like that. I play lee myself so I know he’s hard. I can be a bit harsh and a bit of an elitist sometimes when it comes to players skill including my own. I’m very critical of others and myself in this game. I know it can be scary to fight feng, I hate the matchup myself. I just felt with some of your obvious flow charts, throwing out f3, and with lots of execution errors he was being a bit too generous. I’m a high level player myself (tgp almost 2 years ago) honestly it was more mainman I was trying to be critical of. He wasn’t just struggling because you’re a solid player. He was struggling because he wasn’t capitalizing on your mistakes properly hardly at all

[@AMK316]

@@ilayakreb2316 don’t take what I said too seriously. I can be a dick about this game sometimes. You are a good player I just don’t really think what mainman said was accurate. I think with just some minor improvements you’ll be great. Also you were nervous like you said so I can see that playing a factor. I used to be really scared playing fightingGM but eventually I could calm down and beat him sometimes

[@Mxhodge]

Everyone is a critic lol

[@ilayakreb2316]

@@AMK316 i am not offended all good like i said i always try to get better but i live in turkey so no offline for me and it makes everything a lot harder

[@amosjohnson6348]

My hate for Feng runs so deep that this is one of the very few times I'm actually rooting against the main man lol

[@RolandDS]

Is Lee top 10 right now?

[@redrocryo922]

15 - 20 range would be good placement for him

[@EggscellentTree]

@@redrocryo922 I think he was sarcastic because tmm had a hard time with this character(im not sure though if he did, i didnt watch the full video).

[@Dragoncannon4]

"Those slides are too fast"..lol....yet electrics are 12 frames....u cannot complain about E-slides, they are hard 2 do brah....

[@iclimbeverything2990]

DB22 is decent Oki

[@MrDxfusion]

This Lee isn't fantastic, he's okay nothing special. I don't know how MM can complain when he's playing braindead Feng that has all the same tools but better. If you lose against Lee you've only got yourself to blame tbh. Yeah his m4 is probably the best in the game but you can deal with M4 quite easily if you're not trigger happy with pressing.

[@ImJustMovin]

How do i counter lee i dont really know the match up and always get murked

[@ronoronoronorono]

@@ImJustMovin Sidesteps are pretty good, his homing is kinda slow and his moveset pretty linear, don't play too agressive because his keepout is very strong, be sure to learn your exact combo to punish his slide, other than that take a look at the frames of his key moves, there are plenty of punishable ones

[@MrDxfusion]

@@ImJustMovin Like Ntoai said, you can step Lee quite easily, he's got mostly high hitting moves so he can be ducked a lot and he's pretty much negative on all his good moves so he loses his turn very often. Side step towards his back, if you see the Lee doing a lot of homing moves you can sidestep fuzzy guard nearly all his homing moves. Don't get trigger happy on plus frames because that's where Lee will catch you with his CH tools. Take it slow and don't press too often, if you're defensive against Lee it makes it so much harder for the Lee player. Good luck!

[@azteckjumbie9344]

Lee takes 'execution' Every Lee player .. mash all the 200 CH launchers at once .. The skill

[@redrocryo922]

He does take execution lol any character can mash CH launchers

[@kendog3492]

are you mad?

[@psynyder]

Yeah, Lee. what a scrub character, with those EASY combo conversions. oh wait . .

[@painandpyro]

@@psynyder Yeah, they're tough...but they're not THAT tough haha Too many random people online seem to get along with em just fine. The Acid Storm punish is a different matter tho

[@MrDxfusion]

Dumb ass comment, what'd you expect he is a CH keep-out character. Go play Lee and once you got these CH's let's see you convert, better yet let's see you place them to begin with. D2 for example or bb 3.

[@TwinnNightmare]

It’s pretty easy to DM your homie on stream & not care about the ranked result. Much harder to play toxic randoms who will do anything to win, even cheat. Not so sure TMM would be able to keep his cool in a true ranked scenario. That being said, not a bad idea to decrease anxiety & stress for Tekken streamers.

[@thedirectorscut4848]

Dude he doesn't want anyone to notice that, thats why hes constantly saying stuff like "this is so hard"

[@TwinnNightmare]

@@thedirectorscut4848 Ohhhh, i see.