Fenix A320 Tutorial: Flying a VOR Approach realistically | Real Airbus Pilot

[@Ripply]

Thank you for another great video. I noticed at 6:19 you accidentally said a QNH of 2992 (ironically while explaining how important it is to ensure the correct QNH is set!). Definitely a textbook example of how easy it is to confuse the units and why in the UK they always say "hectopascals" following a QNH below 1000 hPa to try and prevent pilots from North America forgetting to change over. We're all human after all... :D

[@A330Driver]

Hi, yeah, the "992" triggers something in me since I fly to the US. However the data set in the plane was definitely correct at 992hPa.

[@joshilini2]

And the amount of times I hear European pilots in US asking for QNH and ATC getting confused haha. They call it altimeter over there!

[@jeromez.2672]

sometimes i think about how msfs saved a lot of commercial pilots during covid pandemic. Doing training like that. :D

[@A330Driver]

It's certainly a very useful tool for maintaining currency. Doesn't replace hands on practice, but works very well for keeping the theory.

[@jeromez.2672]

@@A330Driver sehr gut. Dann viel Erfolg beim Type rating. 😉

[@pilotmanbluggz]

I was going to comment on your last video, asking when we getting VOR approach tutorial in the airbus and here it is. Thank you for this!

[@javuthegamer]

Best tutorial for VOR approach. Thanks

[@A330Driver]

You are welcome!

[@_cube_09]

Hi I really like these short but very informative tutorials, so keep up the great work! Really needed a proper VOR approach so this helped a lot :)

[@A330Driver]

Thanks, will do! ;-)

[@NanookOblivion]

Great! Now I’ll be able to fly VOR approaches! Thank you very much for doing that video!

[@raywalsh5414]

Nice clear demonstration, thanks. Will have to give it a try !

[@A330Driver]

Have fun!

[@rezaomar3397]

yes I have been waiting for a vor vid!!

[@sebluke1]

thanks for making these great videos, im always trying to improve my knowlage of procedures and you explain it very well. i was wondering if you could make a video on manually flying a DME arc as there arnt many videos on it.

[@eugenioconato7170]

ottimo video come sempre molto dettagliato grazie mille

[@renefeijen5916]

How do you produce all those videos, I dont even have the time watch them all! Many thanks.

[@ricardomarquez414]

Perfectly explained !

[@NyctaOfficial]

When to switch on the seatbelts sign for approach? Irl I've seen as a passenger that sometimes the pilots will turn it on as soon as they initiate the descent, but here I saw you turn it on at FL100. Does it depend on the airline?

[@A330Driver]

That's company specific indeed. In the type rating they'll usually teach FL100, in practical ops though... we do it at 30minutes to landing, hard to portray that in the sim flying mainly short routes.

[@abdulellahalyaqubi1778]

Thank you for explaining VOR approach.. Most of my vor approaches the plane does not maintain center line of a runway

[@Wild_Duck19]

Maybe because you didn't enter the winds speed and direction like here, in this video!

[@captainlass22]

It is completely normal. Many VOR approaches are designed with an offset from the runway centerline. You can fly the offset course down to the minimums and then align yourself with the centerline.

[@dishantlalwani]

captrain why do you use TRACK FPA MODE for non precision approaches can you not just turn off flight director and land so why to use TRACK FPA ?? let me know thanks

[@A330Driver]

TRK/FPA shows you the BIRD on the PFD which is a huge aid for manual flight.

[@dishantlalwani]

@@A330Driver thank you captain

[@jonesbutler4]

I Always Get confused what to use when setting up for final app. Radio or Bario and where u get the Correct Numbers From, I have always put the Minimums in Radio. I have no Clue it that is Correct. Do u have a Vid that explains the Difference and How to enter the Correct Data? Plus I would love to do a Flight Plan Offset For e.g. weather Deviations etc. LOVE ALL UR VID's Saving all these Tutorial’s. Plus do have a Vid to Explain Secondary Flight Plan. And how to use second to divert for an emergency etc. You properly already have done Video’s explaining. Thank You so Much. So Informative and Helpful.🥰

[@csyoutubeacc]

Always use Baro minimums for all approaches other that Cat II or Cat III

[@jonesbutler4]

@@csyoutubeacc thank you that is very helpful

[@noway9880]

use baro for all except ILS

[@JacobianMX]

I am also interested in if it is possible to do it the most tridition way. I mean, how will the approach look like without the help of FMS and only use VOR. Do you then need to do a step decent or something like that?

[@A330Driver]

A level segment is recommended when flying the approach using TRK/FPA so that the final descent can be initiated correctly.

[@jhogoboom]

really helpful. Thanks!

[@Eric-sc6vo]

Question: In the beginning of the video you explain the VOR approach in real life is usually from either vectors or some standard approach procedure. But how about a plan experience a comms failure, unable to communicate or even not hearing ATC instructions? What is expected then? Will it then also be the most logical STAR, or are pilots then expected to follow the charted approach, which, in this case means, crossing the VOR and make a right turn?

[@A330Driver]

Hi, there's COM FAIL procedures published in each countries AIP. There are local variations, but most involve to return to your filed flight plan, fly the filed STAR and then the standard instrument approach.

[@mekowgli]

When doing a VOR approach, does the airplane actually rely only the VOR's radio signal and altimeter or does it just "simulate" it, but still uses the enhanced positional information it gets from IRS/GPS? Would you still be able to fly a FMS guided VOR approach if for whatever reason GPS was offline, jammed or scrambled (giving a wrong position). Or would you then have to do it completely manually based just on the visual indications on the nav display? Or can the aircraft still fly it if you put the ADIRS to OFF.

[@noway9880]

yes. you can also manually deselect GPS as a navigational source. you would do this without selecting adirs off-rather use the MCDU. there is a page showing navaids and select/deselect is available. this would obviously rule out many different types of approach (ex if i deselect GPS on a RNAV-GPS approach) that can no longer be flown. but a VOR is radio, so. even without gps it will still know where it is because of inertial navigation-plus it has the aid of a ground station now (the vor) so accuracy would still be quite good. but you wouldn't select ADIRS off to do this. even if completely broken-you'd use ATT.

[@Macca177]

Any chance of a new RNAV approach on the new Fenix, and also how to pick when multiple RNAV-y-x etc?

[@DarkOrbiterAerospace]

Do FDs need to be disconnected for every non-precision approach ? And if so whats the reason behind it ?

[@A330Driver]

Only for those where there is no guidance available on short final. The philosophy is that you don't show the FD's when they don't provide useful information.

[@DarkOrbiterAerospace]

@ thanks

[@salehajaj6749]

Thank you

[@PilotGigi]

What I noticed is the the airbus doesn’t fly a continuous descent, compared with the 737 . Is this the or not?

[@samaanalkhaldi2364]

Do you have same video for 737? Thanks 😊

[@A330Driver]

Hi, yes, I do. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qovGeKygp96LsKc

[@chrisattwood9588]

Well the final Approach guidance doesn’t work for me. It doesn’t arm despite me following your steps

[@jtffmud4335]

i find something surprising on the Fenix in your video, shouldn't the V-DEV be based on the QNH in the BOX instead of the baro knob? so when u get through the TRL, you don't get that jump in the VDEV like we can see when you swithed STD to QNH?

[@A330Driver]

Hi, that is correct. I really don't know why FS developers don't seem to simulate this particular feature of VNAV, regardless if it's Fenix in this case or PMDG in case of the 737. That's a basic VNAV feature and really doesn't seem too complex, does it?

[@splashhs1]

Hi mate, could you possibly explain what sids and stars are appropriate for turboprops vs jet? Thanks

[@A330Driver]

Hi, normally it's the same procedure for both. Some airports have local variations, in that case you need to refer to the charts really as there is no general principle and all airports are doing things differently.

[@oofran]

question about when flying the "teardrop" as you said in the beginning of the video, how would you calculate the "final" turns radius you need?

[@shollie]

What are the factors for a decision which approach mode will be chosen apart from weather and visibility?

[@csyoutubeacc]

We would usually opt for a fully managed approach as a preference. Fully managed is generally more accurate, less workload and allows for a decellerated approach. Selected modes generally only used if not in database or cold weather corrections applied. Incedentaly the same tecnique can be used for NDB approach.

[@cwbalmer]

Another cracker! Many thanks!! Have you done one on the use of VOR/ADF maybe? Constantly learning here and I love it!

[@A330Driver]

Hi, thank you so much! Could you tell me what exactly you'd like to know regarding the use of VOR/ADF?

[@pilotpawanc]

How to manage such an approach if one does not have the charts

[@antoniopettini9503]

I noted when you activate DIR TO UNSER you even click the course radial in (71°): Is that manadatory?

[@doltBmB]

if he didn't I think it would fly to it at any angle, and then have to turn into the approach from there, which would be imprecise, so setting the correct angle helps you to be set up by that point

[@MalaysianAirlinesAviation]

watched this last min before landing

[@danielpike3778]

Thank you for the video. Is the Fenix also capable of using the FLS mode instead of FINAL APP?

[@noway9880]

yes, if FLS is enabled. this is an option and most aircraft don't have it.

[@Fly737]

Love it!

[@TRXEvo]

what mod is that? is that a Self loading cargo?

[@mrcsone6067]

Thanks for the video. Regarding minimums: On this non precision approach you have an MDA (minimum descend altitude) instead of a DA (decision altitude). I've seen from other pilot youtubers that they add 40ft to the MDA so that in case of a missed approach they don't bust the MDA. Is this operator specific?

[@A330Driver]

Hi, that's operator specific indeed. My old airline also did that. My new airline on the other hands side refers to legislation: An MDA needs to be drawn up to take go arounds into consideration.

[@mrcsone6067]

@@A330Driver That makes sense, thank you for the insight!

[@robertoperezcastro9300]

The best!

[@ClevaTreva]

How to do it in the FBW?

[@renegat5200]

So its basically a RNAV approach?

[@A330Driver]

yep, you fly them the same way.

[@ArrRoh]

Does that mean autoland isn’t an option for VOR approaches?

[@somepolishguy8228]

Late reply but yes, a VOR approach is a non-precision approach meaning no autoland

[@ArrRoh]

@@somepolishguy8228 all good - and thank you!🙏🏽

[@SpowlStreams]

99% of the cases in the real world Greece: 99%

[@AVIATIONSOUNDEXPERT]

Hello Emanuel, Regarding the lateral guidance, do I have to follow only the Flightdirector on the PFD? Thanks for answering.