FENIX Update Version 214 - Flaps 3 Drag and Flare Improvements

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[@machmuler]

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is a well-executed feedback. With time to meditate, with explanations supported by data and tables and with zero arrogance.

[@Blackbox711]

Thank you very much for your kind feedback 👍🏼

[@johnmaguire2185]

Great content BB. Also a shoutout for the FSIP scenarios you create for use in Fenix. They are best thing below a level D sim experience. I fly the same one several times and sense my technique getting better each time. Looking forward to flying as many as can be made.

[@Blackbox711]

Hey John. Thank you very much. I hope to find some time again soon to make more exciting scenarios 👍🏼

[@andrewbennett4638]

This will all be much better with the block 2 update, because of the engine model, Aamir has explained it very well.

[@Blackbox711]

That is what I am hoping for.

[@alu2387]

The issue is not on the drag, but the thrust!! :) . Nice vid BB.

[@Blackbox711]

Thank you! Same issue as not being too high but too close to the runway ;-)

[@paull123]

One for the algo. One of the best channels on youtube.

[@Blackbox711]

Thank you very much 👍🏼

[@TheCarlanthony]

At least from what I can see you don't go much nose up and float and love that you say it settles down nicely....

[@gilgaspar320]

Hello BlackBox, do you think the way Flight Sim Labs A32X behaves (landing) is similar to the real world aircraft? Cheers!

[@Blackbox711]

The FSLabs behaves more realistically, yes. At least from what I can tell with my muscle memory from flying the real aircraft.

[@stabilo3170]

How do you achieve a perfect landing in the yaw axis without any side effect? Every body knows about that very problem since the beginning of FS. Do you have a special setting to avoid this annoying friction probleme. I'm talking about a landing without cross wind. Can you give us your settings? And what about the incredible yaw effect when applying take off power? Thank you BB711.

[@Jfim88]

What about Toliss vs Fenix?

[@stabilo3170]

Very professionnal informations as usual, but do not forget that on an A320 when selecting Flaps "one" in flight the rate of THS displacement is almost the double. Do you want a video to prove it?

[@Blackbox711]

Thank you. I know it does that since we had that topic on the FSlabs A320.

[@samuelcv6565]

I can understand the fact, that is hard to make proper model behavior of the AC, if I pick up PMDG in real life I need to keep thrust to at least 20ft RA than close thrust levers otherwise it will be hard landing. The MSFS itself is problem as all airliners has unrealistic rotation and flare behavior compare to real AC. X plane is closer to reality. I m not A320 type rated, but I feel after last update there is somethig wired. Example: in MCDU i have max FL 370 and AC has a problem to climb into 350. In simbrief I need to adjust Fl and set performance factor -09 to match proper calculation. Do you have same problem or it something wrong on my side? Anyway very professional video I like your review

[@Blackbox711]

Yep, talked about this many times on my livestreams. Hopefully MSFS2024 will finally bring the promised improvements regarding external addon integration including individual drag/lift/thrust values.

[@samuelcv6565]

I need to watch more your streams:) in order not to be behind@@Blackbox711

[@Jan-ov5tm]

Danke

[@Blackbox711]

Thank you for watching 👍🏼

[@learjet55c]

danke fürs Video. Wie als ob ihr (Blackbox711 und 737ngdriver) abgesprochen hättet :D ->positiv gemeint

[@Blackbox711]

Danke, hatte das Video von 737ngdriver noch nicht gesehen.

[@_mff7_]

Curious about your feedback with flaps full!

[@Blackbox711]

You have a good point there. I need to check that as well.

[@MrEufi]

Hi BB, I know that the behavior of the fslabs is better at the moment in your opinion, but is it realistic or just better than the fenix?

[@Blackbox711]

Hi. That is always very hard to answer because that depends on what area you are referring to? Flight dynamics, system simulation, sounds, visuals? The FSLabs doesn’t win in every category (visuals for example) but overall it is a very good addon that just seems to be almost fully complete. One thing that is excellent is the correct pitch/power values and the flight model including flare behavior.

[@nineteenzerothree9867]

I read somewhere that autobrake might be causing issues... have you tried without purely as a test?

[@Blackbox711]

Yep, tried. Not the cause of the issue though.

[@majoraviatior1611]

So does fslabs or this handle more realistically?

[@Blackbox711]

At the moment the FSLabs

[@majoraviatior1611]

@@Blackbox711 all these issue’s will be fixed in block 2 with iae’s Aamir said in the discord

[@goldgamer8446]

@@majoraviatior1611 So Fenix is third for now behind FSL and Toliss in the flight behaviour. And let‘s hope they can improve that because it was already supposed to be much better in that version. My opinion is that the devs cannot do that much and these issues are due to the limitation of the sim, as i have already heard some devs complaining about.

[@majoraviatior1611]

@@goldgamer8446 hopefully it will be first after block 2! 👍

[@goldgamer8446]

@@majoraviatior1611 I very much doubt knowing MSFS limitations. Perhaps in 2024 then.

[@pm110978]

are you a real life A320 Pilot?

[@pdeswardt]

He is a RW A320 Capt yes

[@Blackbox711]

I am, but only for 3 more days

[@jumpjet777]

@@Blackbox711 ....... and as we know at that point all A320 knowledge is removed and passed on to another new A320 pilot. The circle of knowledge is recompleted. 🛞🔁 ;-)

[@gogoasaa9606]

@@Blackbox711 ??? what happened?

[@ronaldjames]

@@gogoasaa9606probably retiring

[@fsx-legend4602]

I just want to know who expects something that was developed for a entertainment platform to perform 1:1 like the real thing in the RW. Pilots disagree should start learning coding and help them make it better without video bashing every other day and that is my honest opinion. Desktop simulation will never be like the real thing whether anyone wants to believe it on not.

[@goldgamer8446]

That‘s exactly what they are doing; explaining in details what could be improved and so helping the developpers. And if XP does it better, I see no reason why this shouldn‘t be expected from MSFS. No one here is expecting a sim to behave 100% same as in real. But as close as possible.

[@Blackbox711]

thank you @goldgamer8446

[@Blackbox711]

“Bashing - a harsh, gratuitous, prejudicial attack on a person, group or subject” according to Wikipedia. I have been in the flight simulation arena for a very long time and helped with the development of A320 Addons. I am also in contact with the developer of the FENIX from time to time, giving him feedback on his product, which he has always appreciated. As a long term content creator I have continuously covered the FENIX A320 and praised it many times for what it offers. And I am sure that has helped in the popularity of that product. However I am also pointing out (not bashing as you put it) inaccuracies when being asked to give my opinion on the product. And I am confident such feedback helps improving the product going forward.