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[@markchappell1358]

As an arsenal fan it kills me to say but fergie definitely the best ever ATM. If fergie had arsenal from 98 to 2008ish he would have won a back to back title with us

[@iainrobertson3328]

Well said

[@drmathgod]

SAF won the league with cleverly, anderson, Gibson, Butner.... Players like that. It's no surprise we stopped winning the league when he left. Pep himself says he is as good as his players. Respect SAF

[@AJ-nd4nk]

Shows how bad the league was back then.

[@andreicornea7527]

You missed to add that they had Rooney, Van Persie, Evra, Vidic, Ferdinand, Nani, De Gea, Berbatov, Chicharito, Ashley Young, Carrick, Scholes, Fletcher, Kagawa, Zaha… anything to make your point valid

[@pauldark3044]

Yeah! And what he did with Aberdeen!

[@scaredmuffin6371]

SAF did it all with his hands tied behind his back with the Glazers. They refused to invest. Can you imagine Pep staying if he had the same owners? He would walk instantly.

[@noxxysyndicatet3o885]

@@giantego0514u left out mangala

[@kylemc0254]

Pep made a winning team unbeatable... Fergie made a struggling team a dynasty for multiple decades!!!

[@bisiriyutajudeen5728]

Stop it. That's a nonsensical point. Most of the players playing with City right now are not going to be memorable players in a decade with the exception of KDB.

[@CollinY818]

😂😂😂 I thought United had history and were always winners man the narrative has changed

[@GhengisGoon]

That's not true. They didn't win La liga for the past two season. Came in and won a treble in his first season.

[@kylemc0254]

@@GhengisGoon was talking about city

[@tiny5509]

You mean the team that finished 4th before he arrived? Do some research dummy

[@SkypeeGH10]

Yes Pep has won the UCL twice but remember all was against Fergie, Pep built the Barcelona team that retired Fergie from Managing, tell me which of the stars in that famous Barca team did he not want promote from their academy. And don’t forget the City machine you see today he built it

[@bobbyjosson4663]

The City style yes, but he was in conference with the owners them whilst at Bayen, had money to splurge and that City team was already competing and winning domestically. Still changed the philosophy and made them greater.

[@farazyk8934]

United were the most dominant in premier league under Sir Alex but they were nowhere near the greatest team in Europe Barcelona, Juventus, Real madrid and Ac Milan can claim that status more than united

[@halldd]

City certainly ain't either! you ain't won nowt in Europe for 60 years

[@troshko1]

I agree, but..United dominated in an environment with almost no competition. Nowadays is a lot tougher to do that!

[@euphoria-1045]

"juventus "......WTF are u even talking about blud😭😭😭😭

[@AJ-nd4nk]

Juventus? Lol they're nowhere near that conversation. Liverpool of the 70s and 80s are one the goats, same with Bayern of the 70s, Milan of the 80s, United 90s, Barcelona 2009-2012, and Madrid 2016-2018

[@JamesPCroad]

​@@euphoria-1045 Juve were the most feared side in Europe from 1996 to 1999. Serie A was the strongest league then. Juventus were finalists in the champions league in 96, 97 and 98.I think they won it in 96? You know, Zidane and Del Piero and that...

[@pauldark3044]

Saf is the greatest, just by staying in a club for so long and rebuilding, taking the challenges from Jose, Wenger etc, and beating Real with Aberdeen in the Supercup(Ucl) is just amazing

[@thedean4431]

and him staying got you the glaziers you do not mess with coolmore he did and game over

[@s.m.sabihulazam9482]

They forgot pep started his coaching at Barca B while they were playing at 3rd tier in spain and promoted them to the 2nd division that year.

[@basseysamuel108]

These clowns think Pep just strolled into the Barca role. He was already doing amazing stuff's with Barca B. Laporta choosing him over a proven winner like Mou should tell them how highly rated he was and everything you need to know.

[@dalmarcampbell1148]

These punks are so deceptive. Pep took over city who didnt win the league in tow seasons and barely made top 4 on goal difference. Barcelona was trophless two seasons prior to Pep. And going into these jobs are high pressure and hifh expectations. Took fergie 7 years to win 1st league title with Man U had more money than his competitors and like bayern could cherry pick the best players from within the league. Fergie os a great manager however Pep is a step above.

[@mattbritz5066]

​@@dalmarcampbell1148lol no chance

[@eL--RaL]

Pep is *THE GOAT* ..He has evolved football in all corners of football world..He evolved Cruyff's Tiki-taka into a devastatingly beautiful football which drive so many people into football.. Hr came into a SHITTY Barca and completely changed everything..Barca couldn't even win Copa del rey before him from 06 to 08..He came in with his style and discipline. Polished the veterans and bright in new kids who hadn't even heard of a Champions league theme song before The man made Messi into the Playmaking Messi we all know today.. Won Sextuple in his first season and 14 major trophies in 4 seasons He went to Bundesliga and Completely dominated there, left with his mark on the whole league... He came to Prem where all those arrogant Prem said his style wouldn't even get pass Stoke City.. He's now won 4 prems in 5 seasons about to bag in his 5th.. He's totally and completely changed football in Prem and the whole world of football..Now everyone copies his style of playing from the back, inverted full-backs and false 9 system he evolved too...The man is Incomparable, Untouchable. Only England aside City would argue most definitely United fanbase with their Alex FARTguson...He's THE GOAT 🐐 😎☠️🤣🤣

[@Brickhazard]

You must be ten years old. Barcelona had won the Champions League 2 years before he took over. Bayern won the Treble the year before he took over and won nothing in Europe, he then needs to join a cheater fake revenue team to compete. When he is finished at City he needs to go to Nottingham Forest and turn them into league winners. That is the what SAF did at Aberdeen and Man Utd.

[@xxballer099gfxxzz3]

You threw your argument in the bin when you said a shitty Barca team

[@101Larz]

Shitty Barca side😂😂

[@madtitan-bringerofgenocide]

​@@xxballer099gfxxzz3 he ain't wrong, kid.

[@sk8r852]

Pep built his teams by developing his players to another level

[@xxballer099gfxxzz3]

But he’s always had the best players anyway

[@Cyrus-rodn45]

Not ALL the time

[@zubzbaig3472]

Where would this city team 'which pep inherited' finish under any of the top 10 managers in the game today?

[@toppman89]

They already had a high level to begin with though.

[@athmikhegde4752]

EPL was never this good to watch during Fergie era. It was more about huffing and puffing, set pieces, corners, physical battles than actual football. Pep has made PL a footballing heaven. Mainly by making even a lower division team to play from the back. Just creates more sophisticated build-ups and transition.

[@BigSmokeMUFC]

Fergie still better. What he did at Aberdeen is enough proof

[@seanstrangeway457]

Pep developed: Messi, Iniesta, Pique, Busquets, Pedro, Dani Alves, De Bruyne, Foden, Jon Stones, Rodri, Lahm and the list goes on. He also beat SAF for those 2 champions leagues agains 2 EPL winning sides and in 2009 the former UCL champions with Ronaldo. Pep chaneged the game of football forever. SAF is definilty in the top 3 ever cosches in the game but Pep is 1st.

[@abccba5637]

Weren't they already good players?!

[@gerryp4129]

He didn't just beat SAF....he battered him into footballing desolation, forcing him into premature retirement.

[@gerryp4129]

@@abccba5637 the number of talented players we have seen fall by the wayside or underachieve in their careers under numerous managers is countless.

[@Nathan-sc7hs]

@@gerryp4129 prEmaTUre ReTiremeNt?? lol He was 71 when in 2013 he finally called it a day...hardly before his time. Plus, he first planned to retire roughly 10 years earlier (which of course he later went back on). He also waited a whole two years following that 3-1 hammering from barca. So, obviously his decision had absolutely nothing to do with Pep... nice bit of spin though!

[@Discombobulate453]

He took over Rijkaard’s Barcelona team. Rijkaard built and developed that team, not Pep. The only player Pep really developed was Messi, who you’d argue actually wasn’t even developed by Pep, as Messi was just naturally gifted. That Bayern team won the treble the year before he arrived, and City had an established title winning team. Until he goes somewhere where they aren’t dominating their respective leagues and without a massive war chest, he’s average to me.

[@LethalMartialArtist]

Pep is a cheque book manager that needs hundreds of millions and an established team to work with for him to get success. Ferguson builds his teams from scratch.

[@abhishekpawar6792]

Let’s be real Pep has raised the bar in the Premier League. 15 years ago it would take 70-80 points to win the league and now it takes at least 90 points to win it. Even the best Man Utd teams(99 and 08) reached to max 90 points but city here doing 90+ points season after season. Also there are more teams that are competing (it was big 4 back then now it’s big 6). Secondly Man Utd style of playing was mostly counter attack and a lot of late wins. Sir Alex last season had so many late winners. Peps teams dominate and absolutely shred big teams. I agree that Sir Alex built teams but as a coach I would have Pep over Sir Alex because Pep looks for perfection.

[@WaveForceful]

It’s broke 100+ rules, they shouldn’t have any titles at all.

[@TheCzechLad_]

The fact that we used to win titles with 70-80 points back then just shows how competitive the PL was back then

[@TJTOPBOY]

@@WaveForceful until they’ve been proven guilty they haven’t broke any rules.

[@adrek2172]

Think you're forgetting Chelsea getting 95 points when mourinho arrived...

[@craigglassford8533]

No mourinho raised the bar not Pep

[@uptwisting]

What is Andy on about? Before Fergie came, United finished 4th three times and third twice. They weren’t a struggling cub, they were a club struggling to win the league. They still spent big while bringing in a youth team which was marvellous.

[@Pete_YNWA]

Of course Fergie is better than Pep and I’m a Liverpool fan. Pep is a cheque book manager. Imagine pep at Liverpool. He’d be sacked ages ago

[@adikapic7542]

pep beat his bully alcoholic ass 2 times, in the finals

[@lnfused]

Respect, bang on. Chequebook manager of the highest order. Doesn’t belong in the same sentence as Mourinho and Ferguson.

[@Kwami357]

What about Ferguson at man united

[@eL--RaL]

@@lnfused Those two can't even lick Pep's dog boots let alone his own boots ..Jealous CLOWNS!!! 🤡🤣🤣🤣

[@samuelmcneil4361]

Fully agree if pep didn’t have money he wouldn’t of got all this success imo

[@Fightropeevangelist8382]

Pep is a great manager, but there is still levels to this...Pep inherits teams and clubs...Fergie builds them!

[@andreicornea7527]

Fergie builds them but how long did he built them for? Took over United he delivered his first PL after 7 years and his first UCL after 13 years.

[@tiny5509]

Hahahhahahaa

[@David-qy4kc]

buys you mean

[@thefacelessquestion3333]

These days you might not get that time.

[@youtuberxxl4686]

Peps peak team beat Fergusons peak team, so thats why pep is clear

[@theblues8840]

Same amount of UCL wins even though Ferguson had nearly double Pep’s time in management and he’s bettered his PL points record more than once….

[@DC-zi6se]

Pep's football is sooo much superior as well.

[@Boy10Dio]

pep didn't win ucl after taking over ucl winners bayern. he's a fraud.

[@applepieclub5012]

Factos

[@diehard21000]

Fergies proved it with club like Aberdeen says it all

[@kennywilkinson913]

City have lost 4 league games this season, the utd treble team.lost 5 games all season, 1 in the charity shield, 1 in the league cup, 3 in the league, unbeaten in Europe, sit down kid.

[@marvd8104]

I agree with Andy on this one. Pep is no doubt one of the best managers ever. But the idea of suggesting Pep is better than Fergie at this point is nonsense for a few reasons. Pep has clearly improved players, mentality and implemented styles of play that very few have in the game. But Pep has NEVER built a team from the ground up. You can make any argument you want, he simply just hasn't done that because every team he has come into has already been premium quality, with the biggest resources in their respective leagues. Fergie came into both Aberdeen and Man Utd clearly on the decline and needing serious overhauling. He did that and won everything there was to win with the clubs he was at when frankly it wasn't expected. A simplistic difference between the two is Pep wins at clubs already primed to the best in that league. Fergie builds good teams to be great and wins.

[@Riri-CelebrityNews]

Stop spitting crap pep is better

[@gerryp4129]

Anyone who doesn't realise Pep built that great Barca side is just clueless. Which other manager walks into a team and completely changes the focal point of attack and defense by getting rid of the likes of superstars in Zlatan, Ronaldinho, Deco, Yaya Toure......to instead introduce a group of la masia youngsters with Messi being converted to a false 9 and Mascherano as a CB. Choosing to play tika taka football with a group of midgets in a age when everyone was raving about tall strong players and long balls over the top takes balls....dominating the world with it in a manner never seen before in football history takes genius.

[@marvd8104]

@@gerryp4129 aye but he did keep alot of those players for at least a season. And lets not think this Barcelona team in 2007 were a bunch of slouches with no money. Clearly Pep dramatically improved Barcelona, but when you still have a core as strong as they did at that time it's not exactly unbelievable they'd kick on to win more, particularly since only 2 seasons earlier with many of the same players Pep inherited they won both la liga and champions league. What I'm saying is, there's no way you can compare that, to Fergie going into Aberdeen and winning multiple leagues which they hadn't done prior for over 50 years.

[@scaredmuffin6371]

Pep takes over great teams already. He inherited a Bayern team that had just won the TREBLE and a City team that had just narrowly lost a CL semi to Real Madrid 1-0.

[@davidallardice1657]

@@scaredmuffin6371 A city team that were the oldest in the league and only made top4 on goal difference.

[@YojimboKel]

It's SAF to me for sheer longevity of success, but Pep has been more influential. What I respect about Pep is that he's literally made EVERY stakeholder of football bow down to see his view of the world as the footballing zenith. That influence that will never be rivalled imo. We literally have a league (and arguably some of the footballing pyramid too in England) where even the crap teams play out from the back, with relatively poor players, EVEN if it's suboptimal to do so. Journalists and pundits are united in seeing Pep's style of play as "how football should be played" - there was never such a coalescence around a footballing meta under Fergie as there were loads of other top tier teams around. I would argue he's had THAT much of an influence that "winning" as a justification on a manager's CV to get a top job has been made virtually redundant. Style of play is considered more important than prior proof of success. It's why Potter, Arteta, De Zerbi, Ten Hag and the RB crew have waltzed into jobs arguably beyond what their CV entitled them to at the time, and why Benitez, Conte, Simeone and Mourinho are considered dinosaurs by fans and media (not by me however). Fans prioritise rating guys that are "ballers" and can control the ball in tight spaces over solid, dynamic players that are more limited in technique. This sea change of footballing culture, taste and mentality has been fundamentally shaped by Pep in a way we will never see again imo.

[@Lovelydropp]

So it’s fergie for h and then proceeded to explain why pep is clear? 😂

[@YojimboKel]

@@Lovelydropp fergie has won more trophies and successful for longer. Peps just had more influence

[@alantheangler6768]

Pep wasn’t the first manager to play out from the back mate. It’s all been done before he just helped it become mainstream.

[@YojimboKel]

@@alantheangler6768 never said he was

[@tlangelanishikwambana8596]

He wasn't... But he is the only one that literally forces the whole league to comform to his style of play

[@Discombobulate453]

Benty literally just sat there, listening to the facts that Goldstein is giving him about Fergie’s achievements, and Benty just replies “Pep changed football” 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@michaeltenene3024]

Pep is 52, Fergy retired at 71 y o. And Pep has won 11 league titles already. By the time he reaches 70 he'd have doubled Fergys number of league titles

[@pauldark3044]

Ok so you can read the future?

[@edderwright9042]

The guy literally got 3 of those league titles in farmers league that is Bundesliga, lol. Ferguson actually had to compete for his.

[@bobbyjosson4663]

He's a great coach and tactician but you figures don't take into account that he inherited three team that were already winning and at the tip of the leagues, no that Fergie had to deal with the foreigner rule that was imposed whilst English teams were banned from Europe, meaning that he could only field a certain amount of non-English players (including Irish, Welsh and Scots) and he had to rear his team of '92. Which makes it silly to use that blinkered stat.

[@michaeltenene3024]

@@edderwright9042 you can miss me with the farmers league argument? A good coach can turn a league into a farmers league. Pep just showed it in the EPL. During Fergy time there wasn't any competition in the EPL.

[@michaeltenene3024]

@@bobbyjosson4663 Pep built teams before he coached Barca he was at Barca B took them from the 3rd tier and earned them a promotion to the the 2nd tier hence what earned him the Barca job. A rookie coach with no experience in the big leagues whatsoever goes into a team in his first season and wins 6 trophies. At the back of releasing Ronaldinho a ballon d'or winner, etoo, zlatan, deco etc. He banked on unproven academy footballers from La Masia. How many coaches we've seen in the current landscape who have gone to big teams and fail. Going to great teams and winning shows how good of a coach he is. If he is good why must he go to a mid table team. He is a great coach and he is on demand why must he earn less when he is good. Messi is a great footballer he doesn't need to go play for Stoke City and win to prove himself.

[@theredhall-thisisfootball]

Tactically Pep is better but man management, a coaching Fergie is way ahead Pep ain't winning anything under the Glazers, he ain't winning the League with Aberdeen and beating Real Madrid in a European Final with Aberdeen, he ain't winning the League with Cleverly and Fletcher in Midfield.

[@DC-zi6se]

I mean if ten hag can win something under Glazers. Hard to see Pep not winning anything. 😂

[@kadiummusic]

Don't be silly.

[@yohannesmisikir7056]

Facts

[@Nathan-sc7hs]

@@DC-zi6se He obviously means leagues and European trophies against the odds. If you still fail to understand, please re-read his comment. Ultimately, there's not a single scrap of proof that Fraudiola is capable of winning with lesser players, and on smaller budgets - whereas Fergie's been there, done that, got the ti-shirt.

[@myhatmygandhi6217]

Fergies staff did all the training, he couldn't setup a training session at all 🤣

[@aituk]

Ferguson is so underrated. People just do not give him enough credit for his level of genius over so many years. He built and rebuilt that team over and over again.

[@Young1Fendy]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@gerryp4129]

yes but he built teams that could only beat poorer and tactically deprived teams.....with one lucky win over Bayern. When he came up against Pep his lack of tactical acumen was exposed.

[@chucky7826]

​@gerry p hardly lack of tactical acumen against that barca side one of the greatest club sides ever in that era

[@aituk]

@@gerryp4129 That barca side is probably the greatest team there has ever been. You can't win the premier league or champions league playing "tactically deprived teams"

[@prudhviraj3528]

@@aituk Did teams like brighton, Newcastle played and beat top4 teams during sir alex era?. Pep's mancity won domestic quadruple, centurion, about to be a treble winner in most toughest legue in the world. Sir Alex era PL was poor in quality. Had Sir Alex done the treble in Serie A (the toughest league in 90's) i'd see a comparision with Pep

[@Stu_Kennedy]

SAF will always be the greatest in the EPL, and I’m a Chelsea fan.

[@DarthQueefious]

Pep has already done what Ferguson deemed impossible, win the domestic treble (clean sweep actually with the CS). If he were to win the CL Treble he'd have 2 trebles in his pocket in England, in 7 years and 3 Champions Leagues in 15 years, Ferguson only ever managed 2, and they were both skanky wins thanks to 2 late corners, after being roundly outplayed by Bayern, and a penalty shootout.

[@Nathan-sc7hs]

ah, the myth that united were demolished by Bayern on that famous Nou Camp night rears its head once more. funny how numpties with bias (either continental or tribal) diss United's amazing achievement, forgetting the context of that cl final (missing key players, long arduous season etc), as well as the action that actually unfolded across the 90 minutes (and not just a short highlights' reel on yt), and the fact that a cl-winning campaign spans many games and months of hard-fought victories (not merely a single encounter). At the same time you conveniently forget that uefelona should never have progressed beyond Chelsea in that 2nd leg cl semi--final - only scandalous refereeing made that treble possible. So, not only did Pep scrape a treble of his own, he did so despite having one of the greatest ever club sides at his disposal (incl. the god-like messi) - and with a copy-paste footballing philosophy (one that he inherited from Johann Cruyff). Yet he continues to attract an absurd degree of praise... In the end, i think people tend to confuse tactical nous with empire-building. Pep is the better coach; but Fergie is undoubtedly the better manager (possibly the greatest of all time), and achieved things in the game (not just doing a treble - though obviously an amazing feat in itself) the Spaniard will never manage.

[@toppman89]

@@Nathan-sc7hs your ex players know all about bias, they can’t hide it when their supposed to be impartial pundits.

[@BourneIdentity45]

Pep is a great manager probably one of the best, but with saying that you can’t deny the fact that he’s always had everything he’s ever needed at clubs, at barca he had Barca’s best ever team and probably the two best midfielders in Europe at the time with Iniesta and Xavi who I feel are massively undervalued when it comes to how much messi gets talked about vs them because when they both left barca were no longer the powerhouse that they had been in Europe, next Bayern he had everything he could have asked for, best full back in Lahm at that time, best centre backs with Boateng and Hummels even had Götze even though he didn’t live up to the hype eventually, lewandowski Neuer even Kimmich was starting to grow into his own at this time but he couldn’t win any silverware in Europe, then he moves to city where he’s literally been able to get any player he wants, I’m pretty sure there was a few years where they would get new full backs for consecutive years, binned joe hart got bravo just because he was at Barca then binned him and eventually got Ederson. I know Ferguson spent money too relative to what it would be at the time and football has changed in terms of the amount of players coming through a academy then vs now but I still feel like Ferguson tips it in terms of the amount of success over a long time and not just because they are able to spend more than other teams, but if we’re talking about European success however, Jose Mourinho tops both of them, he has a chance to win 6 and go back to back like he did with Porto with the europa league then champions league the year after, imagine if he wins the europa league again this year and then Roma are back in the champions league with the amount of money they’ve spent compared to other clubs in Europe it would be a massive overachievement

[@BigSmokeMUFC]

Fergie is the best

[@philbett6249]

Pep wiped the floor against Fergie's United in the Champions League Final twice. Respect Pep

[@BigSmokeMUFC]

With money bags and inheriting top class players 😂 Fergie won trophies with Aberdeen now top that!

[@philbett6249]

@BigSmokeMUFC Please, Barca of 2009 and 2011 didn't have moneybags as claimed, and still mopped the floor with the English champions I respect Fergie but you have to admit Man Utd were outplayed In a best of 10, Pep would take this one hands down

[@BigSmokeMUFC]

@@philbett6249 ye cuz most of our players were aging and Fergie was close to retirement

[@SeriousBartYT]

For me, Sir Matt Busby is the British best manager of all-time as he had to literally deal with actual deadwood and adversity at United unlike any other manager, and he can through with flying colors. His Liverpudlian and Man City DNA is key too.

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

City success driven by 15M Akanji,15M Alvarez,20M Gundo Foden and Rico from Academy Pep can't win with Small Clubs?🤔

[@desttu9531]

😂😂Yeah City are a small club but they are also sitting on that Oil Billions, you are making like those 5 players make up their whole squad lol I didn't know it was 5 a side

[@eiler1987]

@@desttu9531 hasnt united spent more than city in the past 10 years....? I have no room to talk as a chelsea fan.

[@therickyzegeshow]

It's funny how u leave out the prices of Grealish, kdb, Dias, Ederson, Walker

[@desttu9531]

@eiler1987 United have spent more yes but the point of this conversation is this flawed comment that City's success is driven without paying large amounts of money for players ...

[@sf-wiselyspoken8562]

PEP is the best EVER, the impact that he made in the game in the last 15 years is unique, NO other coach did that in history...AND the most important thing that his team DOMINATED always even when they lost. Numbers, stats, titles and improvement of young and regular players... He still 52! 11 leagues out of 14!! Thats crazy.

[@brodogoks2526]

Go to West Ham and do it

[@DC-zi6se]

​@@brodogoks2526 yeah after creating the greatest team of all time. He should go to manage Ipswich.

[@ahmaranwar1488]

three of them were at bayern. Not saying pepe isnt one of the greatest but atm fergie is still better

[@ozoneA6]

Wrong! Fergie did all that and city only has 2 world class players. City are only great because other teams are on the downfall.

[@Legenda20SLO]

The impact of what. Taking over already a dominating team and wining the league again? Wow, so impressive. Ya'll people are so delusional that even Pep himself would laugh at you. There was an interview he made in the past in which he admitted that if he was managing a smaller team his results would probably be way different.

[@MrJoromekiq1]

What a nonsense from Goldstien. Pep did not inherit winning teams at Barca and City. It's easy to point out he had Busquets and Xavi there, but let's remember - Busquets, Pedro etc. played in Barca B, Xavi was a benchwarmer and was thinking of a way out, and even Messi himself was not the player we know today. Here's a list of players Pep got rid of after arriving as Barca manager - Ronaldinho, Deco, Thuram, Zambrotta, G.Milito, Y. Toure, Eto'o, R. Marquez, Edmilson

[@factzoverfeelings7503]

In two champions league finals, Pep Guardiolas press, style, and system had elite world class United players chasing shadows with Fergie looking absolutely clueless n lost on the bench! Guardiolas football IQ, tactics, and adaptability are miles ahead of Fergie 100%

[@ahmaranwar1488]

what a stupid argument, Ole beat pep more times than pep beat him, I guess ole is the GOAT. pep is great but he had the best club side of all time which of course with his help became great but switch the teams and the result would have been the same

[@factzoverfeelings7503]

@@ahmaranwar1488 so Ronaldo Vidic Rooney Evra Neville Ferdinand Giggs Scholes Carrick Tevez etc were all trash n bums now apparently

[@ahmaranwar1488]

@@factzoverfeelings7503 no they were the second best side of that era. The Barca side was so good that it won even after pep left

[@factzoverfeelings7503]

@@ahmaranwar1488 Pep won 2 champions leagues in 4 yrs at Barca. Since Pep left Barca they’ve only won 1 in a decade plus. You do realize that right?

[@gerryp4129]

@@ahmaranwar1488 the difference is Pep didn't just beat Fergie......he broke him. Pep won titles while and since losing close games to Man U's Ole. But being beat into football desolation by Pep, ended Fergie's career.

[@Stu_Kennedy]

Question is could Pep win everything he’s won with Spurs…. No he couldn’t.

[@alantheangler6768]

There’s no comparison. SAF is the goat. No other manager has done what he’s done. Even if Pep wins the treble it’s not even close.

[@CEO786]

Pep needs to win with spurs to establish his legacy 😂

[@realoneg6321]

looooool

[@Skullkid64]

Nah

[@YorkshireGooner73]

Pep hasn't changed football and Andy is 💯% rite, let's see pep manage a team without the money

[@kadarabdullahi]

I remember Ferguson always pushing for more time whenever United were behind. He would just tap on his watch and voila, extra 5 minutes would appear for United to come back/win.

[@thefacelessquestion3333]

As I kid I used to think SAF and the higher ups had a deal to make United great,so if more time is needed...more time is added.

[@BadAppleBlues]

@@thefacelessquestion3333 that's why they have the Devil on their club badge!!!

[@tas1424]

Fergie won the Champions League final with Nicky Butt at centre mid.

[@subliminalking.7994]

He won it luckily, by the extra time of 90 minutes.

[@scaredmuffin6371]

@@subliminalking.7994 And Pep didn't get lucky in 09? They literally cheated their way to that title. 2011 - RVP got sent off for no reason. Mate, please don't play the luck card ffs.

[@Nathan-sc7hs]

@@scaredmuffin6371 Right... some people have selective amnesia

[@tomben6180]

Pep got 100 points with Fabian Delph at left back all season

[@tas1424]

@@tomben6180 he only played 22 out of 38 Premier League games that season.

[@chrissilvester5663]

Pep isn't even in the same league as SAF. He's a bloody good manager but he doesn't build teams he inherits them then just spends massive amounts to add to that squad. SAF built team after team based around youth all the while maintaining constant success. SAF won trophies with an average squad at times. Look at what Fergie achieved at Aberdeen aswell. I don't think Pep would have the patience to build a team based around youth

[@LethalMartialArtist]

Exactly that is Pep improves ready made established teams only if he had limitless cheque.

[@simthembilemalusi8670]

Clueless!

[@rohandadwal518]

What??? He literally brought players like Busquets, Pedro, Thiago, Rafiniha, Bartra, Jeffren, Deulofeu, Sergi Roberto, and Tello through the ranks. EPL fans are stupid. The fact that we're comparing a manager who retired at the age of 70 with a manager who is only 52, is a testament to Pep's greatness.

[@rohandadwal518]

Talking about "constant success", Alex Ferguson won 13 titles in 26 years and it took him 4 years to win his first trophy - an F.A. cup. If Guardiola doesn't win a trophy for 4 years, best believe his ass will get fired.

[@chrissilvester5663]

@@rohandadwal518 You're entitled to your opinion

[@jfbfitness]

Look at fergie used as a squad with Wes brown- Johnny Evans- O'Shea etc fergie made AVG players top players. Fergie stayed at one club and built 3 top teams to win league after league.

[@Viewer41]

SAF built Man Utd up from not winning anything, to a team that dominated the league. He also proved it wasn't a fluke as he did the same with Aberdeen. He is still the last manager to win the Scottish Title who isn't Rangers or Celtic. Pep walked straight into Barcelona with Messi, a one team league with Bayern, and a Man City team who'd already started winning and with unlimited money. So, yes. Pep has been world class with world class players. But he's NEVER proven he can build a team. For that reason, SAF is better. I'm not even a Man Utd.

[@campbell3711]

Don't think Fergie ever beat Pep when they went head-to-head. Pep has changed the style of football that has gone all the way down to grass route levels yeah he is fortunate to have financial backing but no matter what player with ego he gets he manages them almost to perfection.

[@Nathan-sc7hs]

Solskjaer did (i think he enjoyed a winning record over him)... i guess that must mean he's a better tactician than pep?? Anyway, the Spaniard had the greatest club side at his fingertips on those twin cl final occasions... at the end of the day (to use the cardinal footballers' expression), my nan could've won with that Messi team

[@simsta92]

You missed the start of this . Which was good . Talked about the players they inherited

[@barrywalls7175]

They are/were both great, just like Messi/CR7, just like tea/coffee, sweet and savoury

[@sahajshetty1844]

I would like to see Pep manage a side where he is not afforded the luxury of transfers he has had in all the clubs he has managed, Barcelona was an exception because his footballing philosophy ressembled the Barca philosophy so closely and Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets were generational talents, who kept on winning even post his departure, they won a treblr again in 2014-15. Peps adaptability is still something i would like to see, taking a midtable club to success or a side like say Tottenham to trophies who have had no recent trophy winning experience.

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

Football Revolutionaries - Michels,Cruyff Serial Winners - Ferguson,Mourinho Guardiola - Tops both 👑

[@michaelelah8106]

English Media and hype 😅. How is Fergie a better Coach than Pep

[@nate0116]

Completely agree with Andy

[@matthewmedley8532]

Put them on a par. Both fantastic. Top 5 of all time. Alex Ferguson. Pep Guardiola. Brian Clough. Bob Paisley. Carlo Ancellotti.

[@siddharthnair4863]

SAF won the UCL twice in 26 years. Pep will have 3 in 15 years by the end of this season.

[@kadiummusic]

Neither have been an Invincible. Wenger changed the English game forever, always played beautiful football, won leagues, won trophies and doubles. But most of all he was an Invincible. Like Fergie said... that's the ultimate.

[@Nathan-sc7hs]

Invincible? How? By losing six games in that gravity-defying season? Meanwhile, Fergie's treble-winners lost just four AND won the treble!

[@JW93.]

No doubt Pep plays more attractive football but the best manager will be decided by whoever finishes with the most trophies, simple as.

[@Fanspassiontv]

The class of 92 and some senior players like Cantona were just like the La Masia graduates mixed with few senior players that Pep inherited. Pep created the new world order we called the Barcelona of the last decade not Rikaad, d exceptional style of football copied by so many coaches world wide and responsible for the huge success of the Spanish national teams in that time was all Pep, and as he evolved, all his innovations and evolvements have also generated disciples in coaches likewise counter tactics to stop the dominating style of football he introduces. It’s even more scary cos he comes up with new tactics everytime his old one has been discovered and countered. We only look for excuses to undermine his achievements by saying he has access to money to buy forgetting his system is what makes these players that very spectacular. For me, he is d greatest footballing mind ever, an upgrade of Johan Cruyff

[@WakeUpNow77]

😂😂 spain already won 2008 BEFORE pep joined they were already playing that football since xavi iniesta ramos torres et al left, where have spain been since.

[@ORDSALLM5.MCFC84]

GREMLIN!

[@ibalarisohtun5028]

Both are the best indifference way and many way

[@user-dr2xd9vb2v]

People seem to forget ,the backbone of the Manchester united sqaud ,came from,there academy,giggs ,Butt ,both Neville,brothers ,scoles ,david Beckham ,,Pep started with a good side ,and has been able to make it better

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

Barca players didn't come from Academy Busquets,Pedro,Pique..?🤔

[@LeominsterFC]

Not sure how many times people can have the same tired conversation. Pep is the best. Fergie was like a CEO, Pep is a FOOTBALL MANAGER. Fergie didn’t even take first team training himself, his coaches like Quieroz did. Tactically Pep runs CIRCLES around Fergie, who played a classic English system just with better players than his opponents. They faced off TWICE in UCL finals and Pep won both, DOMINATED both. It’s not close. Normally I don’t agree with the “English overrate their own” sentiment (I know he’s not English but a PL legend) but in this case the bias is clear. Pep is THE guy. His disciples are all currently winning around Europe. Fergie’s disciples are Steve Bruce, Carrick, Keane, etc all nothing managers. Pep’s are winning league titles with Barca, getting Burnley promoted with 100+ points, getting Leverkusen to Europe, almost winning the league with Arsenal, in cup finals with United. It’s. Not. Close.

[@Ramanodacal]

They both great , I am a utd supporter . Stop comparing, both great mangers . Both will die legends

[@uptwisting]

Football is far more competitive now than in Fergies era. United also weren’t the best team for two decades, Madrid won the CL three times in four years, United won it twice in all of Fergies reign.

[@chd1694]

Winning the leagues with the raphael brothers, nevilles, phil jones and even bebe is incredible!!!! What he did with Aberdeen is miraculous or god like. 13 league titles baby and fergie won more.

[@tlangelanishikwambana8596]

13 in 26 years? Well I'm sure he won the league with about 6 players you mentioned only🤣😂 He never had worldclass players

[@kylemc0254]

Pep needs to take over at somewhere like Aston villa and build them like fergie did to be considerd better than fergie...

[@morakemokoena3644]

People should stop saying Pep changed football, what Pep does is what Johan Cryuff started he only refined it but he’s not the originator, people seem to forget Johan Cryuff and the Dutch are the ones who created the kind of football Pep makes use of

[@ziudra91]

I'd go with Pep. Pep would destroy Fergie today just like he did in 2009 and 2011.

[@qinfo8891]

2010 /2011 when he was in his retirement age right???

[@thestallion5513]

@@qinfo8891 U cant be saying that with the united team he had in 09 to 11. I believe u dont believe what u said lol

[@JamesSmith-bl6rd]

P McGrath is a legend. PFA player of the year 92

[@Ezciel]

The reason above all else why Fergie is the ultimate manager is because he won the league with players like Darron Gibson, Chris Eagles, Kieran Richardson, Obertan, Macheda - he could turn a 5/10 player into a 10/10 player when it mattered the most.

[@hellow1841]

Man John Stone is a 50 mil signing. He had one good season in 5 years and now you are talking about him.

[@thestallion5513]

people here talking about aberdeen and that, bro do u understand how football was back then a completely different game even in the late 90s. In those days teams like blackburn or fullham and dundee united were competing in europe lol.

[@sayandeb6459]

Pep wiped his ass twice in ucl😂😂😂😂😂. Ferguson can't even dream of what Pep can do with a team with tactics

[@halldd]

Pep inherited bayern barca and given 1.5 billion build city 😂😂😂delusional 🙄

[@sayandeb6459]

@@halldd Chelsea also spend 600m this summer alone why they're sacking managers months after months, why Utd sacking managers season after season before Ten Hag. If you really think managing big clubs with money is that easy than you're deluded and im not at all interested talking to you who have no idea about football 🤡

[@malualmarengajou5359]

​@@halldd why don't you mention the money he spent at Barca and explain why Barca sacked their coach and replaced him with a B team coach (pep)?

[@lukeparker5191]

It's Fergie over Pep. Both spent money but only one has done it with little or no money at Aberdeen winning European trophies. Jose is 2nd as he did it with a Portuguese team I forget which one. It hurts as an arsenal fan but these are fact's. Pep needs a plug and play team

[@mikhailvillet9101]

Pep has created a revolution in how to analyse games and set up your team for match dominance - nobody is arguing that. But Sir Alex Ferguson has managed to weather the storms of different eras and built different teams to cater to different leagues over the course of 30 years. Pep may very well be able to do that, but he hasn't proved that he can (yet). Longevity is the reason why everybody praises Messi and Ronaldo. If Haaland can do it for 15+ years, then he can be considered as good as them but nobody can say that yet.

[@BG_MKY]

Imagine if fergi had like 3 billion to spend on players ........

[@lordmill4572]

He was doing that. Stop the nonsense. 30 million back then is equivalent to 100 million now. United were breaking transfer records every summer. So go u to come here and act like fergie was feeding a nation with just 2 fish and 5 loaves of bread is crazy

[@abiodunodeleye7984]

Please tell what tactical innovations Ferguson brought to football. Guardiola took Cruyff, Lillo, Sacchi, Bielsa, etc , created an amalgamation of looking at football differently. Just looking at trophies won does not explain their achievements, Guardiola brought innovations to football, way beyond Ferguson’s understanding. I remember the lessons Guardiola taught F in the CL final.

[@The_Jeff12]

Building a team doesn’t mean your are a better coach.

[@zaidahmed9527]

Not even a debate, if you had a dream team and has to choose one manager to ensure you win something with them, you would pick pep in a heartbeat

[@lefthandlee]

If your a kid you would peps shite

[@SimonGlobetrotter]

The truth is that both Fergie and Guardiola are both great legends.

[@Juli2kX]

Pep way is not only a matter of results, it's a matter of "how their teams win" This city plays with STYLE.

[@RomansEight38-39]

What did Darren Bent smoke before coming on the show

[@olatundehassan1132]

Convenient statistics.

[@rogerhenry3174]

Pep is a cheque book manager. Great coach but would never win without money

[@malualmarengajou5359]

How much did he spent at Barca?

[@The_Jeff12]

Darren says he’s talking facts, then says he first THINK Pep…

[@Thespacecadet187]

As a LFC fan it's hard to say this, but... The only thing Pep is better than Ferguson at is signing cheques. Ferguson is a football manager... Pep is a cheque book manage... End of.... C'mon the Pool

[@theefxful]

Ancelotti is far more decorated than both both of them.

[@mashu1766]

Both have a similar career. Took fergie 8 seasons to win league and 15 seasons to win UCL . Fergie got lucky that giggs scholes beckham neville g broke through the ranks and gave a decades of service and saved utd 100 millions of pounds. Pep with messi xavi iniesta piquet comin thru the ranks saved barca millions.

[@bobbyjosson4663]

What absolute hogwash. Do you actually read books? Try to read about that which blabber about. The first thing Fergie did was expand the scouting coaches in number and reach, spruced up the Academy. "Got lucky", yeah, the way a mixed martial artist get luck in a street fight with a "lucky punch." Jeeez. And try watching the documentaries on Messi and who got him into Barcelona.

[@mashu1766]

@@bobbyjosson4663 many youngsters come thru academies but to get 3 world class teenagers whp gave man utd between 10 to 20 years of service . Is LUCK. Same goes for Barcelona.

[@bobbyjosson4663]

@@mashu1766 As someone who teaches martial arts, luck is when preparation meets opportunity. If you read any books to do with football or Fergie, you'll see how he expanded the scouting network in number and range.

[@mashu1766]

@@bobbyjosson4663 the foundations were already strong at utd . From the Busby days.

[@mimikolomamu]

Of course Pep changed football. With that kind of chequebook and power i believe Rodgers can do it as well.

[@HEKTIKx]

The premier league is far more competitive today than it ever was during Fergusons reign. Most clubs during the 90's were funded with pies and crisps. Sir alex has legend status but give him and pep identical squads and pep wins 9 out of 10 times

[@kevinmcnicoll8649]

The greatest team Europe has seen for two decades? Yet in all his years he won the champions league twice 😂

[@jamesshine1]

I hate to say it as a liverpool fan but it's not even close SAF is the arguable the greatest manger to ever

[@lukelocks9083]

AG showing bias, saying PEP would NOT have won the title with ABERDEEN but then saying the greatest ever PL is subjective, so would've FERGIE created with the exact same players, the greatest ever team that BARCA 2009/11? The greatest PL team ever is subjective, in the mix are: This CITY team, Invincibles, MU 99, MU Rooney/Ronaldo 08, CITY 100pts, LIV 99pts 2020, CHELS Drogba/Mureeniho.

[@malachifullerton3042]

Fergie coached his players ... pep bought his ...

[@dmagil01us]

115 financial violations, if or even when those are cleared maybe you can compare.

[@DC-zi6se]

When they are cleared there'd be no room for comparisons. Pep already ahead.

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

UEFA banned City on 0 Evidence PL press 100+ charges on City When UEFA couldn't prove 1 City Vs Establishment?🤔

[@gerryp4129]

So silly asking what Pep would do with Aberdeen.......Had he not been a genius from the very onset of his coaching career he would have been relegated to managing clubs like Aberdeen. But what would Fergie have done with that Barcelona side....long balls over the top with Messi/Iniesta/Xavi on the bench because they're not tall or physical enough. Pep changed the way football is played/conceptualized in this era, while Fergie dominated in an era of lesser tactical acumen. Hence, when an experienced Fergie met a coaching neophyte in Pep, he was destroyed and left clueless on the grandest stage.

[@simonrichards6739]

“Inhereted the class of ‘92”! Yeah but he brought them in and gave them their chances!

[@jamiiiedee3196]

Exactly how do you inherit raw talent 😂😂 you need to shape those players to become the best. Something pep hasn’t been able to do in his career bar Phil Foden and you still wouldn’t put him in the same breath as Giggs

[@ezraezra2928]

Definitely yes. Look at how long they achieved an impossible thing. Sir Alex Ferguson: 7 years to win the first Premier League (and also the first national title in 26 years, after Matt Busby), 12 years to win the historic Treble, and 27 years to become the most decorated football managers in the world with 13 national titles and 2 European titles. Pep Guardiola: Only 9 months to ever win the historic Treble as Barcelona. In 4 years with Barcelona, he won 14 titles. In 3 years with Bayern Munich, he won 7 titles. Now, he won as many as 11 titles with Manchester City, including the fantastic 2018-19 season with four domestic wins and this Treble will exceed the number of trophies as with Barcelona! Don't forget that Pep Guardiola defeated Alex Ferguson in 2 Champions League Finals, with 2009 being the notorious because they defeated Cristiano Ronaldo and Manchester United at Rome. Also, the next year's Champions League Final was held at Wembley, the place where he won the European Cup beforehand with Barcelona on 1992 and 2011.

[@halldd]

Fergie all day long ......built 4-5 teams with youth and local talent....foden great player, but how many city academy have come through the last 14 years ?

[@njabulombuyazi5132]

I think once you factor in what SAF did at Aberdeen then the debate is settled. Pep can surpass him in the future but as of today Fergie is simply the Greatest. Some of those United sides where bang average and he still won league titles with them

[@dshannon565]

Pep didn’t have the 3 best teams in European football. Bayern were a brilliant team and has a top team but Barcelona had a better team and so did Real Madrid so it was incredibly tough to beat those teams.

[@michaelfebers7796]

The year before Guardiola joined Bayern, Bayern won the treble including the Champions League.

[@eltonlou9968]

Just watch the 2011 UCL final.

[@Rodney231]

People forget that Pep had 7 La Masia graduates playing together and dominating football. England isn't the only place that football is played and when Pep Team came up against Fergie's Team.... Pep pretty much retired Fergie. Everyone copies any tactical adjustments that Pep does noone aspires to play like Fergie's Team....

[@jonnyshadbolt899]

Another pointless debate, enjoy both as legends without comparing maybe?

[@Cdlee-oo9hn]

its so hard to say whos better. but for me pep changed the game now the whole world plays part of his style. also spain won the world cup and euro playing his tactics. i mean 🎉🎉

[@Slim-MMA]

Guardiola has changed the sport on multiple occasions and will retire with a far better trophy cabinet than Ferguson.