Fermzilla Gen 3 2022 - NEW - Tri-Clamp Conicals - Kegland

[@andypandy8569]

I like how you get straight to business - no fluffing around with long and silly introductions.

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

Cheers mate!

[@bogdanradoi590]

I have the 2 nd one - never used - never been able to make it do no leak. Now the joints are stuck after so many attempts to fix it etc etc. My advice is to keep it simple and have minimal no of joints ( keg / kegmenter )

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

Sorry to hear that mate, I've used them for years without any issues. Cheers!

[@eoinmcdonnell9397]

Good idea to get rid of screwed joints, they're a pain in the arse when you want to clean. I made a wooden wrench to hold the bottom nut when removing the valve even though I use lots of grease on threads

[@smbeers]

It’s crazy how even using grease the earlier versions are still a pain in the ass to disassemble

[@96FiRE96]

Good video, and thanks for the idea of the stir bar in the filter, that's genius!

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

No problem! I'd been using stainless nuts, then one day I was looking for one and stir bar came to mind, made total sense. Cheers!

[@BrewabitRick]

Great video I’ve just purchased one of these, my first pressure fermenter and I’m really looking forward to trying it out and tasting the results. Cheers 👍🍻

[@smbeers]

I just took apart my gen 2 today for some cleaning and had to do some breathing exercises and turn up my Bluetooth speaker to keep calm. Luckily I was able to take everything apart and will be hand tightening ONLY from here on out. Of course I buy a gen 2 and then they are releasing this upgrade 😅 just take my money!

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

yep lightly hand tight is enough, cheers!

[@Charsty]

looking fwd to thumbscrewing and haystacking my next DIPA.

OK, that looks like a nice upgrade, just add a cap on the bottom if you don't need a collection jar on that brew. I totally abandoned my old fermzilla to all-rounder and kegmenter and fermenting in kegs, old fermzilla design is just bad. I usually ferment at 0.5bar in the beginning to 2bar at the end of fermentation and after the cold crashing beer is ready. And you can still dry-hop from the top with low starting pressure. No oxygen when transferring and you save on co2 which is hard to source nowadays.

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

2 bar is too much in my opinion, dangerous as well. I never had any issues at all with the original design, I have 2 originals and they are still going strong. I preferred the original over the AR as I wasted less beer when dry hopping due to the collection jar and conical shape, I too just dry hop through the top, but benefit is in the shape, less waste, more beer :) I use the AR for lagers and things I'm not dry hopping. Cheers mate!

[@RuckinBrit]

Nice one mate! Hopefully we’ll see it here in the states soon!

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

You should eventually! Cheers mate!

[@bnb.brewers]

Great news ! I don't like yeast collector, I hope it will be possible to mount something on the 2 inch tri clamp to directly dump yeast or first dry hop in a bucket

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

Sure you could whack anything on there, with in reason. Cheers!

[@geoffreyquaile4383]

I have yet to find a full use review on the Gen 3 or 4. Any links? Thinking of going stainless based on my Gen 2 experience.

[@joshbuhl9824]

Hi Gash. do you know why the opening in the pressure-rated lid is off-center?

[@coxy1016]

Been waiting for this, less thread the better. Any ideas on why the top of the collection jar is offset and not central?

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

No idea mate! possibly a strength issue or maybe just it makes it closer to on side, easier to get a hold of? Cheers!

[@StassBrewing]

Cheers Gash - looking forward to hearing your thoughts. Tri clamps more or less issue than threads??? Time will tell!

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

Yeah people are screaming for a tri clamp on the top, I dont think they realise how tricky they can be to get on, especially in a hurry, if you've got a krausen volcano about the happen, you dont want triclamp lol its much easier to pop the old lid back on and do up the ring.

[@StassBrewing]

@@HomeBrewNetwork for sure - was more thinking about the reverse threads on the bottom. Agree that a thread at the top is much easier. I think the tri-clamps on the bottom will make things easier to connect and clean properly though.

[@ezrasweis5068]

I wish they could get them to the states faster. Love your videos! 👍 Keep up the great work!

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

They will one day! Believe me they will do it as fast as they can. Cheers!

[@witkointhewild]

I just can't understand why they didn't redesign the top lid to be tri clamp as well. Build it into the vessel, the same they did as a bottom. Go with a 6" to ensure cleaning is easy. Who knows. Maybe there are some manufacturing limitations that I'm not aware of there, but that just seems like a no-brainer and get rid of one of the design issues that so many people struggle with.

[@johngriffin9547]

It's odd isn't it. Especially seeing they are doing a new lid to fit the hop bong.

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

I think the top would be a pain in the arse with tri-clamp, if you're in a hurry. When that volcano starts, fiddling with a tri-clamp is bad news. It would also add yet another step to manufacturing which would significantly raise the price. Cheers!

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

There should be no issue with the top at all, it's an extremely simple sealing mech., It doesn't even have to be tight, the top ring just holds the lid in place. The ring will be hard to undo when under pressure, because of the pressure against the threads but at the same time if you tried to undo a triclamp while under pressure it would probably break your nose. The best way is to let some pressure out until the ring can be unscrewed, partially, and there should still be enough pressure in the vessel to pop the lid by itself. It's so easy once you know! Cheers!

[@witkointhewild]

@@HomeBrewNetwork Huh... haven't run into any volcano situations yet. Something to look forward to I guess :) I have two all-rounders and one conical, for some reason the lids on the all-rounders seem to really get stuck in there. Not the rings, they're easy enough to get off, but the actual lids. Last one I had to get it up to 15psi before it finally popped. Which is also a bit of a pain when you're not doing a pressure ferment, or haven't done a pressure transfer. Uses alot of c02, everytime you want to pop the lid. Being that the entire industry is based on tri-clamps, just seems like a no-brainer to me. But if that's not going to happen, maybe some sort of tool? I dunno. It's just the biggest issues I've found with my fermzillas.

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

@@witkointhewild Dry hopping into a pressure fermenter, its only time :) . It shouldn't take 15psi to pop the lid, are you using a small amount of lube on the lid? I only ever use the ferments own pressure to pop my lid, and its a very rare situation I'm fermenting any higher then 10psi, its usually 5 psi. I use both Fermzillas and All Rounders. If you're not pressure fermenting WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU hahaha just joking mate, use a tap wrench if you have one, undo the ring slightly, maybe half way, then use tap tool to catch under the carb cap and the ring as a fulcrum and lever it off. Cheers mate!

[@StewartGrayNZ]

Any idea when these will be available in New Zealand?

[@jimlewis7938]

Thanks for sharing! Was wondering if it comes with a plate so you don't have to use the collection jar? It would be great if you dont always want to collect yeast. Thanks Jim

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

The valve is still there, so you can just shut the valve. It doesnt come with cap but yeah you could buy one. Cheers!

[@Rampage287]

Gday mate, when fermenting as a non pressurised unit the learners way with an airlock, can you transfer your brew without using pressure or is co2 pressure tranfer the only way ?

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

You could use a siphon I guess, or something you can attach to the ports on the yeast capture jar. Cheers!

[@fifis101]

Great upgrade to the fermzilla. I love my gen2 but removing the collection container can be very painful sometimes. I find it odd that they went for a 3"-2" valve???? Why not just do a 3"-3" plus centre the hole sin the lid of the collection container. I also would have thought they'd put a tri clamp on the top as well but maybe they don't commonly come in that big of a size. Also I always ferment at 25degC and 20-30psi. That way when you cold crash the pressure drops down to 10-15psi and yo don't have to force carbonate. It's instatly ready to drink.

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

I'm not sure, I'm not on the design committee, but there must of been a reason I guess. Cheers Joshua!

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

As far as the pressures go what I said was straight from the designers mouth so do what you like, just be careful!

[@fifis101]

@@HomeBrewNetwork Pressure vessels can definitely be dangerous but isn't it designed for use at 35psi? Plus there'd be a huge safety factor on top of that.

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

@@fifis101 35psi is the maximum at room temperature, in perfect conditions.

[@smbeers]

The hop bong should be a nice addition to this new gen!

[@natxx21]

looking forward to the new brewzilla, I'm curious if that small bottom space would cause a problem with pump

[@thebrewmonkey9734]

I need to ask a silly question... because nobody has mentioned it. When I fill up from my Brewzilla, Should I ferment with the bottom valve open or shut ?

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

Open. Cheers! Otherwise all the yeast will build up on the valve and then when you open that valve it wont neatly falll into the jar, it will make a mess and you'll have to wait for everything to settle again! Cheers!

[@KegLand]

Thanks for doing this run down Gash. Really appreciate it. We have been thinking about making the collection container 3" TC as well so we have no thread on the collection container. Do you think you would prefer this?

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

Yes that would be great, I do find the lid very hard to get off while its not connected to something large, like the fermenter, when its empty I can use something through the side holes, but when there's yeast in there, that you want to keep, it can be very hard to get off cleanly. Cheers!

[@davidlynch5309]

Hi Gash have they made it out of the plastic that can take hot wort yet for no chill

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

No, these vessels are blown while hot, so no hot water cant be used. Cheers!

[@chriselliott3984]

I like the look of the hop bong, but it looks like it wouldn’t work if you had two all-rounders in the RAPT fridge as you’d have to lift them out

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

Well no probably not with 2 all rounders! Cheers!

[@suwirwong]

Omg this changes everything

[@BitterRealityBrewing]

Gash, I'd love to see the pros and cons of comparing it to the previous system. I was working about the smaller opening for those who like to dry hop by using the bottom attachment so the smaller opening seems like it might be a concern. Wondering what you think about things like that.

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

I dont use the bottom for dry hopping, just not needed in my opinion, the bonus of these fermenters is the conical shape which leads to much less waste, and the oxygen free ferment and transfer. I always dry hop through the top, do it correctly and every thing is just fine! Cheers!

[@colwk]

How dose the butterfly valve compair to the plunger system of keg king?

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

I haven't reviewed KK fermenters for a few years now as they only wanted me to do scripted videos, which I wont do, and I'm not buying a fermenter I don't need. Cheers mate!

[@jasonstone1046]

Looking like a much better option than the last version.. broke god knows how many collection jars over the past year trying to take it off during the ferment.

[@davec4955]

Looks like they've made some very good improvements. I look forward to seeing you using it and your feedback . 🍻

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

You and me both! Cheers mate!

[@georgekara]

Will lube still be required when fermenting under pressure as per the previous model, or does the new tri-clover clamp system do away with that requirement ?

[@SteveBenson]

You don't need keg lube with tri clamp fittings.

[@georgekara]

@@SteveBenson many thanks mate. I've now placed an order for one of these and look forward to seeing how it goes compared to the previous gen.

[@aussiejas6599]

Gav you would have bean great at Show and Tell in primary school.

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

I wagged

[@sirenbrewingco.3235]

If your going to go with a sanitary tri-clamp why not go all the way with it? This is almost there, love that they are always innovating.

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

I think the top would be a pain in the arse with tri-clamp, if you're in a hurry. When that volcano starts, fiddling with a tri-clamp is bad news. It would also add yet another step to manufacturing which would significantly raise the price. Cheers!

[@olofpersson9794]

Nice! Hope it turns up in Europe pretty soon. Time to retire my old Zilla

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

It will I'm guessing, cheers!

[@anahatachakraom]

hey bud, silly question, any chance this could be used as a keg as well? I'm new to kegging so I'm just trying to sus out if I could just get this instead of a keg system. keep up the good work with the vids!

[@mickholgate3347]

G'day Gash, great review mate. Would be good to see next gen Fermzilla/all rounders with tri clamp tops too. Also good to see PET/HDPE plastic that can take some temperature.

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

I thought about that, but some times when dry hopping through the top you try and do it quick, especially if it starts to volcano out.. A triclamp can be a real hassle some times when you're in a hurry, there's a simplicity to the way it is now that I kind of like.

[@davec4955]

@@HomeBrewNetwork I agree 100-percent , I always dry hop through the top and never had a problem. It could definitely create a panic getting a tri clamp on the top in a hurry ! 😂

[@anemlachhomebrewing3690]

Great vid, as always! Have you used the fermzilla with a heat mat before? Wondering how well the plastic body would handle direct heat... especially something like 35 degree kveik?

[@smbeers]

I was thinking of grabbing a heat wrap for mine as well. Have a bootleg bio beta lager yeast that finishes between 85 - 95 degrees F

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

Not a heat mat, but I've used a heat belt plenty of times, I wouldnt be trying to heat 10c water to 30c with it, but to keep a ferment warm its fine on the vessel, I do it with the All Rounder. What you can do is put the heat belt on the stand at the top, works well. I've used it like that for Kviek and 30+c brews Cheers!

[@kevinwalsh2566]

Will the hop bong be compatible with the all rounder?

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

Yes

[@Peter-Southern-Victoria-Aust]

I have the all rounder and love it, I use it to pressurize Lagers under pressure, I heard reports that the last version used to leak a lot and a lot of people weren't happy with them, was that because they had a thread on the bottom and not the clamp like on this new model?

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

You always hear the people that have problems, there's far far more people that have no problems, every system has a learning curve. Some people have never used pressure vessels and don't realise the dangers. Cheers!

[@thebackyardbrewer5611]

Black for beer and grey for gas, that's drilled into my head so it would be nice if the carb caps were the same!

[@Charsty]

how hard is grey and black plastic to come by in china?

[@jpcii]

No offence, but the nightmare of leaking using the Fermzilla with threads was so bad no matter what I tried to do to keep it from doing so, it’s going to be a very long time before I try another one. Every single batch leaked at some point. One of them after starting off good, dropped about 10 L of wort on the floor overnight. I thought I had made it over the hump and pressure had built appropriately, boy was I surprised the next morning. Not again. Throwing money down a black hole.

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

No offence mate, I don't make them or sell them! I'm sorry you had issues but I've been using them for a long while now, dozens of batches and haven't had a beer leak once. I now prefer my Brewbuilt conicals but they are very pricey. Saying that I did just use this one this week, so far its fine. Cheers Jim, I wish I could help you.

[@jpcii]

@@HomeBrewNetwork you know I love your videos and I am only venting because the blasted thing is soooooo frustrating. I figure one of the mating surfaces must not be completely flat. I wish others luck with the threaded ones. Certainly no dig meant toward you!

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

@@jpcii yeah mate, no offence taken what so ever, I really do wish I could help you! Have a great weekend mate!

[@Mikkogram]

I am waiting for their rumored stainless fermzilla

[@larrynorman1919]

Save your money and go stainless steal, you'll thank me in the long run.

[@HomeBrewNetwork]

I have stainless steel, 14 gal and 7 gal at 5x the price, this has its place in the market for sure. Cheers!