FF7 Remake & The Complicated Nature of Remakes

[@toastydanny9136]

I hope the end part is not gonna be everyone teaming up from different timelines to fight 13 Sephirots

[@RobotCo-Op]

I've been saying that's EXACTLY what's going to happen. Probably on the surface of METEOR. Nomura has absolutley no self-control.

[@galacticwooper9060]

Toasty Danny oh no.

[@CaptainCJ97]

*kingdom hearts intensifies*

[@arielgomes7989]

Holy shit, I can actually see this happening

[@CupofJoe_93]

13 seekers of JENOVA

[@TheBig451]

"MGS2 did the same thing over a decade ago" MGS2 is almost 20 years old, that's quite an understatement

[@demi-fiendoftime3825]

Noooo i refuse to accept the PS2 is 20 years old i refuse!!!!!!

[@SaberRexZealot]

I first played it 8 years ago. It definitely stood the test of time.

[@LionofDawn]

That was a really retarded comparison. It's not like MGS2 was called Metal Gear Solid 2, RETURN OF SOLID SNAKE AS THE MAIN CHARACTER. Then turn out not to be. FF7 is a reboot and a reimagining. Not a remake.

[@Garry_Combine]

​@@LionofDawn Like RE2, which the devs and CAPCOM said was a reimagining (See CAPCOM confidential episode 15: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jISve3mXepqcask) and in turn RE3 and RE4. They explicitly say it's not a replacement. FFVIIR is a sequel combined with the largest case of false advertising in gaming. The MGS2 comparison really is stupid...

[@lonelywolf5659]

@@Garry_Combine i see it more on the new Yoshi island of video games

[@thetenshiessentials8432]

A perfect remake should add , improve , and preserve. Nothing more nothing less. Re 1 remake is the best example of add, improve , preserve.

[@Scott-M1]

This^

[@kingsupremekami31]

Spongebob battle for bikini bottom rehydrated seems to take the advice of add , improve , preserve.

[@Rihcterwilker]

So far, the vii remake preserved the story and added stuff, so...

[@kingsupremekami31]

@@Rihcterwilker for now. It's only the first part. Who knows how much will be changed in the second part so on so forth. Ff7 "remake" is a combination of a remake , reimagining and a sequel...... So yeah my boy.....

[@kingsupremekami31]

@@Scott-M1 ☝

[@jarrodbarker]

“He’s this game’s satan” ... Nah, that’s Jenova

[@worsel555]

First, it appears to me that Final Fantasy VII Remake is not a Remake, it's a sequel. Second, I start the video and see Anno, and I literally said "YES, HE GET'S IT!" I am getting close to being done with my playthrough (Chapter 15) but I have been saying on my streams that the game is literally Final Fantasy VII Rebuild and then explaining the NGE Rebuild movies to people, how it hits the original story beats and then in 2.0 takes a big fork in the story telling.

[@Jose-se9pu]

Pretty much, the next part might be Rebuild 3...I mean, this game is already Rebuild 2, the same story with just a few changes until the ending, when they changed EVERYTHING.

[@marciamakesmusic]

Definitely not a sequel

[@MrDezokokotar]

It absolutely is a sequel - technically. But practically it can easily be considered a remake.

[@TKUltra971]

Thank you Ken. I've been screaming this at the top of my lungs for weeks now. Game's still a barrel of bullshit but hey.

[@worsel555]

Okay, I just beat the game and yes, it's a sequel. Also every single crazy theory I had turned out right so I have no idea where they are going to go with the new one when it comes out in 3-4 yrs because Square is run by morons. Title of the game should have been Final Fantasy 7 Rebuild 2.0

[@nalucap6556]

23:40 I would have to disagree, while it's true he inherently wouldn't be as mysterious anymore. I feel like if they did what you suggested, re-framing him to not really showing his face for example would still work in its own way. After all, a fair amount of say, hype was still generated for when everyone was waiting for what they did to Tifa before finally revealing her in a trailer. I feel as though they could've easily done the same thing for him, but instead reserved for future games. Also maybe like not model his actual face, in case someone just tries to data-mine and see what he looks like.

[@jovenc4508]

When I was younger I would always wish that games I loved would get the "modern" treatment. I understand now that what I wanted wasn't a remake but a remaster. When the Gamecube version of the original Resident Evil came out it showed me the potential a remake had. However, these new games such as Resident Evil 2 & 3 or Final Fantasy VII are not remakes. They're too focused on trying to have their own identity without realizing that remakes can never be their own thing since they're beholden to the original. Without the original they wouldn't have much, if any, marketability. The remake of RE1 understood this and changed very little of the core game while adding just enough to stand out compared to the original.

[@JackBlack-jv2wg]

I think the word for those new "remakes" should be "adaptation" instead. They use the concept and many elements of the original, but took on a different approach (in FFVIIR case, drastically to the point of going against the original).

[@jovenc4508]

@@JackBlack-jv2wg That's a much better term for them. Though they probably knew that they couldn't market the games as adaptations because that would imply changes where "remake" sounds faithful.

[@jovenc4508]

@Grima the Fell Dragon That's what I mean. A good remake adheres to the original while changing just enough to keep it fresh. All they really had to do for both FFVII and Resident Evil 2 & 3 was to update the graphics and expand upon certain areas and event. Maybe mix up some of the puzzles, not rewrite everything or change the gameplay.

[@Rex13013]

@Forgetme000 I kinda see your point, I loved Crash 2 and 3, and the Spyro trilogy was my childhood, once I found out they were released on the the ps3 psn store I 100% the Spyro trilogy at least once a year for a few years until they announced the remake but after playing it I didn't feel like replying it not because it was bad, it was a fantastic and pretty faithful (to an extent) remake, the graphics where amazing and it makes the playable for people who didn't want to play the original because it might've been too old and they couldn't get into the graphics so it did it job perfectly as a remake, as for me because of a few nitpicks with the controls, glitches and line deliveries just makes the originals a better version to replay imo, but that's just me. As for you I think what you want is plain sequels instead of remakes but I don't think that's the point of this conversation, I mean I don't think everyone wanted 1:1 remake, people just wanted the game to be modernized. I'm didn't like the gameplay of FF7R at all but they could've just kept it and kept the extra personality and flair they added to the characters with the same story of the original and the game would've been fine, but instead they made it episodic, they padded the heck out of it with long corridors and walk and talk sections, same with battles since even random monsters have really high hp, and that terrible ending just makes this game a sequel rather than remake it was advertised as.

[@Rex13013]

@@jovenc4508 I agree, especially since I didn't grew up with the original and I couldn't get into it because of the graphics. What I wanted was a faithful remake with changes here and there yes but with the overarching story and gameplay to stay somewhat the same, I would've been ok with a gameplay change if it was good but I dislike the fusion gameplay they decided on for many reasons, like how long the battles last, how you're forced to constantly switch between characters, and how the characters you're not controlling don't do much on their own. And another thing, while this is not the games fault, I hate how people use this game to hate on turn based rpgs and how "outdated" they're according to them. As for the story they dropped the ball really hard imo, this game isn't even a remake at this point.

[@NemesisSP]

I wouldn't call FFVIIR "The Last Jedi" of video games. Not because I hate the film (which I do), but because of the reasons for why it was made and who was behind it. With TLJ, it was obvious that director and writer Rian Johnson did not know or care about the ongoing story or canon of the franchise, either new or old. He has even pretty much admitted to this and made it clear that he didn't care about continuing the story of The Force Awakens as much as he did subverting the expectations of the franchise, while also putting his own spin on it in the hopes of enhancing his career. That and his behavior pre- and post-release was far more antagonistic to fans than necessarily. Yes, I am talking about the infamous "Your Snoke Theory Sucks" cue card. It's the image that comes to mind when I think of TLJ more than Luke drinking freshly squeezed alien milk, because it's the clear mindset of someone who doesn't care about the fans or the franchise they are working on. Contrast that with FFVIIR and it's clear that, despite some issues with the new content and the question of accessibility, it was clear this was a labor of love from the developers of the game who also wanted to give fans the best possible game they could while also doing something new. Cloud wasn't completely changed from either his classic or Advent Children personality just to try and fit a role that he wouldn't normally fill. That's why I don't mind the ending, because it could very well be that the plot of the game will still follow the original while doing new things, but at the very least it is interesting I think. And if you look at the developers, you can see that none of them are interested in dicking around with the fans just to dick around with them. They aren't going to pop up with their own cue cards like "Your Zack Theory Sucks" just to needless stir the pot. That's all I really had to say on the subject, I can't really fully disagree with a lot of the points you made and I can totally feel for you, I find it almost impossible to talk about this Remake with other people because no one I've met wants to have a nuanced discussion on it and it's sad, since I feel like that would be much more productive in the long run.

[@FarelForever]

I feel very similar about it. It's not the same kind of mixed opinion that splits the audience, and the developers are not being arrogant bastards about it. And... as I keep insisting "When I heard about 'Tetsuya Nomura's FF7', I imagined Hell on Earth, so this is still much better than I feared"

[@sena167]

In "The Force awakens" J.J. Abrams implemented his famous "Mystery box" method to create a mediocre Star Wars movie that y'all ate up. It consists of creating a stupid mysteries that you don't get answers to it because there is no answers to it yet, you have to pay another ticket to know it, and that is enough for people that don't enjoy good movies. In Final Fantasy VII Remake they add stupid plot points that are "mysterious", and everybody's enjoyment of this story is now dependent of what the sequels will be like. You can like or dislike TLJ, but acting like it's an "insult to fans" because... it "didn't follow TFA story"? What wasn't followed? Oh by story you mean the Mystery Box™ Questions? I would like a nuanced opinion on that. People should expect sequels to be different and remakes to be the same but we live in bizzarro timeline now.

[@kingofthesharks]

Foxcade wasn't addressing developer intent when saying FF7R had become gaming's TLJ. He was addressing fans' split reaction to change/expectations. That said, I still agree with your comment in contrasting the creators' general attitudes toward their projects. It's just not what Foxcade was addressing.

[@NemesisSP]

@@kingofthesharks I do understand that, but I did feel it needed to be said since I feel part of why fans are divided *is* because of his needless antagonism towards them. I've actually seen a lot of people make this comment and act like Nomura and the others are doing this just to troll fans or spite them and that just isn't the case. So I just needed to get that out there. He did kind of address the point I was making about the intent behind the work, though, even if he didn't say anything about Rian Johnson.

[@NemesisSP]

@@sena167 I'm going to get this out here right now, I hate The Force Awakens. It has all the problems of Abrams other work, of bad fanfiction and its treatment of characters like Luke, Han and Leia is insulting. It's not about Johnson following just The Force Awakens story and answering the questions presented (Which he didn't, he just tossed them aside or wrapped them up early), it's about how and why he did. By Johnson's own words, he did not care about contributing to the larger story of the series. Cuz TLJ wasn't *just* a sequel to TFA, it was also a sequel to the first six films as well, part of an ongoing story and he didn't care about making sure it was consistent with those films in terms of characterization and themes. And no, it's not a matter of Luke now being old and different and things change, the Luke we see in TLJ is absolutely nothing like the Luke of the old trilogy. It doesn't matter if it was a moment of weakness, Luke would never think to kill anyone in their sleep nor run away in shame. Rian Johnson did not familiarize himself with either the old or new continuities in order to create something that felt like Star Wars and depended entirely on the story group to see if he was being consistent, yet they also didn't care. Not just that, but as I said, he needlessly antagonized audiences before they'd even seen the film, (again, the Cue Card), thus making sure there was bad blood and he's continued to attack fans and use blanket and strawman arguments to defend his film. If Johnson had wanted to explore his story with other characters that weren't part of an ongoing story, but in one of the anthology films, I highly doubt that we'd be talking about this. In FFVIIR, it's not them adding things to "be mysterious" and definitely not just for the sake of it. And they also aren't just doing it, like I said, to dick with fans. That's the major difference between this and TLJ or the Sequel Trilogy in general. The idea that fans are only upset that TLJ didn't follow the story of TFA is ludicrous, because as I said, TLJ is not just a sequel to TFA. It is also attempting to add on to a story that ended with ROJ even though that story ended with Anakin redeemed, dying and restoring balance to the Force like he was supposed to. There's no reason to have used the Episode titles at that point because the story was done, but they wanted to use them for marketing purposes and then decided they weren't going to respect what came before. That's why so many fans don't like Johnson or the sequel trilogy. They did not have respect for what came before and then attacked all fans and claimed them all toxic. And there no doubt are toxic fans, but not all of them are sending death threats or are racist, sexist individuals, that's ridiculous. Foxcade actually put it best, as did Kitase himself. A completely shot for shot remake wouldn't have satisfied anyone, both because of the context of when it was made but also because there's little ability to further explore things you couldn't before if it was just a shot for shot remake with prettier graphics. As a side note, they actually did just that with Secret of Mana's remake and people thought it was overpriced garbage (sort of hyperbole), thus proving Kitase' point.

[@DeepWeeb]

Imagine that they actually change Aerith's death scene in the next part just for the sake of making that moment shocking again after 25 years of memes

[@glogy714]

They probably will change it...

[@DeepWeeb]

@@glogy714 Better be Tifa this time, that way the scene would actually be impactful

[@flailingdragoon1072]

@@DeepWeeb That would be a terrible idea. It's the literal definition of narrative fridging. Tifa dying serves no purpoae for the story and cuts her characterization arc short. Aerith dying was in tune with her arc AND had a narrative purpose (Aerith using the lifestream to prtect the planet). They can change the circumstances or the time (which would probably be better as you get to spend more time with her) but Aerith should still die and you should also have enough game time left without her to feel the difference

[@andrewcarlton6196]

@@flailingdragoon1072 I.have a feeling they are going to remove where she dies and move it to a later part. I have heard people talking about having a Mass Effect like thing but I do not think that will happen as that would be to.much work to create separate scenarios.

[@celineosthaus8032]

@@flailingdragoon1072 You hypocrites do know that Aerith's death was written to make sense? That means if they kill Tifa it can make sense. Depends on how it is executed.

[@DarkIceKrabby]

Honestly, most of my frustration comes from the whole "but they also led players to assume we were getting a traditional remake, only to hoodwink us" thing. It almost always makes me feel like the devs are going "HA got you" at best, and it being false advertising at worse. Yes, I find the whole Time Whispers and changing destiny thing interesting, but frankly I do not trust Nomura and Nojima to do the idea justice. There's also the fact that the remake is episodic, and Square is *notoriously* slow at developing Final Fantasy games, and we'll be waiting for and seeing FF7R brought up over and over again for the next decade at least.

[@guilegale8942]

Kojima did the exact same thing with MGS2 and the Raiden fakeout, and while people love that game now, it was reviled for "lying" to its players at launch. We've seen this before- once we have the finished product, we'll see how people think of it.

[@MrDezokokotar]

13-2 and 3 didnt take that long. A sequel is always much faster to make than a completely new game.

[@flygonkerel781]

They didnt lead players to assume anything. They didnt say or promise it would be a 1:1 retelling. The fans ASSUMED/put those words in their mouths.also if they had revealed what it was that would be spoiled it *shrug*

[@OblitusAquila]

@@guilegale8942 Very good point, I played MGS2 lastly in the entire mainline series and imo it is the best in the series, it upgraded MGS1's gameplay and had a very competent story. But to this day, people don't like it because there's no playable snake in the real story even though he's heavily involved in the story.

[@caellanmurphy4751]

@@OblitusAquila they probably never played subsistences snake tales it was basically their wet dream

[@LionofDawn]

13:21 wtf are you talking about? MGS2 didn't do the "same". It didn't claim to be a sequel or a remake and then happen to not be. All it did was make us think we were going to play only as Solid Snake, and didn't say anything about Raiden until we got to the plant chapter. How is that comparable to a game that straight up was marketed as a "remake" and has that word under its title, and yet IS NOT a remake. FF7 "REMAKE" is a reimagining and at the same time an attempt at a reboot. They are clearly taking things into a new direction with not just gameplay, but the story as well. Remake my ass. And while it is true that remakes doesn't need to follow every aspect of the original game and should even take some liberties with its gameplay and world structure, it should not go as far as change the story as much as FF7 "Remake" did. That's like baking an bluevberry pie and calling it an apple pie, so a pie is a pie? It is an apple pie and yet ... it isn't? Imagine if someone said that. If you were to use Occam's razor, you'd realise that the reason they called it a remake is for the sake of cashing in on it. And the reason why they rebooted and reimagined the story was to justify the fact that the game will be shorter than the story we got on those 3 discs on the original Ps1 version.

[@DirtyDanRichards]

I feel like comparing it to last jedi was an unfair comparison. Last jedi was a complete disrespect to every fan and was a cannon sequel to the originals, it was like "those original movies and characters were bad, and our New characters and movies are the best ever!" And no one was buying it, in the slightest. In final fantasy's case, it's an alternative story to the original.

[@jeromealday614]

Yes, This guy is so stupid. I bet he didn't even play the OG and just jumped to the hate train.

[@razvanbigiu2912]

My only problem is the execution, particularly when it comes to dialogue and character motivation. For the first 17 chapters the characters act and talk like normal people, only to take a 180 in the last chapter, where they suddenly start speaking in riddles. More annoyingly, whenever they ask Aerith for clarification she just shakes her head... and the others are cool with it. Sephiroth opens up a portal? Cool, let's jump into it. Why? Uhh... something something freedom, something something destiny. If you're going to deviate from the source material, at least fucking commit to it and be upfront about it within the text., instead of coyly burying your writing under piles upon piles of nonsense. But nowhere is this more egregious than with Sephiroth, whose entire dialogue is pure gibberish. It almost feels like it was written with the sole purpose of giving theorist youtubers something to munch on for the next few years until Part 2 comes out.

[@悪臭-p9p]

It's corporate drivel designed to milk super otaku fans with endless spin offs and sequels. I've already lived through the early 2000's, i'm not buying their ff7 fan fiction trash this time.

[@tarutso]

@@悪臭-p9p Your loss dude. Haven't been so into a Square product for years. You keep playing your COD rehash and Fortnite drivel

[@tarutso]

What nonsense is he saying? It makes sense to me. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's nonsense "OMG I can't understand Shakespeare's works on face value so it must be nonsense!!"

[@razvanbigiu2912]

@@tarutso If the story throughout the entire game was told in that shakespearean style then no one would complain. The problem is how jarring the transition from the storytelling of chapters 1-17 to 18 is. A good author knows that their story can't rely solely on metaphors to function, it needs a surface level narrative as well. Compared to what came before it, chapter 18 has no surface level story, just a flashy boss fight, devoid of a coherent context. Sure, if you've spent the last 20+ years gorging on every tidbit of trivia from the FF7 wiki page you might have an idea about what the hell Sephiroth is rambling about but having that knowledge should NOT be a pre-requisite to enjoy a game that is supposed to be able to stand on its own.

[@悪臭-p9p]

@@tarutso you must be really fond of the remake to write me off as a fortnite fan lol. It's fine if you like FF7R, I don't intend to deminish your enjoyment. I just think it's a weak (and bizzarre) sequel that was advertised to be THE remake of an all-time classic. Of course it's "good" at it's core concept as a AAA game, but I felt it was a shallow corporate product tugging on an entire generation's nostalgia. To call it a remake is dishonest, it can't truly make sense and stand on it's own without specific knowledge from the original story/spinoffs. Sorry if you don't agree, but I'm especially disappointed they would decide to go nuts with the last chapter. And it truly makes me sad FF7R ended up this way after waiting all these years 🤷🏼‍♂️. It's just not FF7 and I have no interest in this new alternate timeline kingdom hearts direction. I'm not happy that I didn't enjoy it, I was willing to give them a thousand chances. But that last chapter is just disrespectful and I can't support this with a clean conscience.

[@GELTONZ]

I love how you tried to be diplomatic about this, it's a really great video. BUT there's ONE thing everyone ignores: WHY we wanted an FF7 Remake. Demands for an FF7 remake date back to the PS2 and with a very specific reason: It is the *ONLY* game in the entire series which does not hold up visually and this was preventing newcomers from playing it. FF6 still looks good today, FF8 still looks good today. FF7? It has a charm to it but it's hard to take the little Lego people seriously. All the time fans would try to get others to play FF7 and they'd go "Eh...but it looks so BAD though..." and so they really wished it would get remade on PS2 and that demand grew louder with that PS3 tech demo. You can say "Well who cares about people who can't get over the original's graphics, it's their loss" except no, it's the fan's loss. They can't share the game they love with others because the poor visuals get in the way. FF7 came out in a time of rapid technological evolution and its graphics were outdated 2 years after it came out. Now some would say "Just play the PC version with mods" but not only is that a NEW thing that few people know about but the mods are difficult to use and buggy. I...firmly believe Square Enix now more than ever thanks to the Remake NEEDS to do an official version of FF7 with mods. Because the remake is indeed having a negative effect on the original too. Many people bought this expecting it to be the best way to experience FF7 only to...not experience FF7 and get the game spoiled for them. The writing for the Final Fantasy series has been in the trash for years now so when they get to the writing COMPLETELY crapping the bed in the final hour they don't go "Oh that's the weird new stuff", they just assume this was what happened in the original and have no clue why people are FURIOUS...and then we get a bunch of pundits saying that the fans are whiny babies and the newcomes just assume the change must have been super minor when it is in fact NOT. ALSO we need to take into account the fact that the remake's meta narrative can be interpreted as telling the fans to go kill themselves and forcing them to do it and kill their favorite game along with it. This may not have been how YOU interpreted it and it's not how *I* interpreted it, but I've seen some people interpret it this way and I can't really argue with it. It's an unfortunately valid interpretation. And...for the record...it did NOT help that they called Easy Mode with Auto Battle "Classic Mode". That...that STUNG to the poor turn-based fans. I feel REALLY bad for them.

[@RaysofLight98]

The impression I had was that the remake team tried to go a different route with Seph's intimidation because he sees Cloud as a *threat* in this game (he didn't before)- he seems to be around every corner, gets into Cloud's face multiple times, and seems to be a hallucination. I also don't get why Seph (this weird human enhanced by JENOVA) gets called 'this game's Satan'. JENOVA is 'this game's Satan'. Sephiroth is her tank. Because everyone expects that he's the villain, too... There might be a surprise.

[@Maioly]

17:34 ... oh my god Dark Lord Yoko is already insane he probably already had some crazy shit planned then he saw what nomura did... no one can know what level of insanity the dark lord will spring on us now.

[@1986Hikaru]

Yoko Taro: IT's TIME FOR MULTIPLE ENDINGS We: NO, YOKO, NOOOOOOO!!!!

[@KisekiFox]

Thank you for your work dude, this video was really great, and as someone who's most special game of all time to me is FF VII, I am both extremely excited and scared. But based on the quality of this first game? I'm extremely optimistic at this unknown journey we'll be going on. I love these characters so dearly, being able to experience something with them recreated so faithfully for what it feels like the first time since the original game, I can't wait to see what the future has in store.

[@raendzel2630]

I appreciate the artistic message they put into this game but man I just wanna play the original with fancy graphics.

[@ailsalillywhite2018]

As someone who didn't play the original and only had knowledge of FF7 via cultural osmosis, I am really struggling to figure out who the meta commentary is for. Seems like it was frustrating to a lot of old fans, and confusing to people like me who didn't have the context to appreciate it. [Edit: now I got to the end of the video and I have sort of changed my mind, in that I think they did it for themselves, and that's not necessarily the worst thing ever... but I'm not sure it's great] But I really enjoyed the rest of the game, characters, story. I mean, it's absolutely gorgeous looking, sounding, feeling. And I especially fell in love with the fighting system. It feels so smooth and so satisfying. It's just weird that after thirty+ hours of play time, I'm pretty sure I still don't actually "get it."

[@UnifiedEntity]

It feels like a reboot, reimagination, and/or sequel. I LOVE this game, and the final boss but that fucking plot element with the Whispers and the time alteration annoyed me. Why the hell would you call it a remake when it's not a freaking remake. And WHY incorporate timelines or merging of all plot elements. Other ffs had time plots but not FF7 and it didn't need it. I repeat I love EVERY SINGLE THING about this game, except the Whisper nonsense. To those who said "oh if you wanna playt the same old story play the original" I say I did. I played it for the first time ever last year. And this game is nothing like the original. Better graphics, voice acting, new combat system, different camera perspective for exploration, areas that weren't in the original in the same general areas, mini games like playing darts, side storys like Jesse's, NONE IT was in the original. The demo was enough to feel like a fresh new experience and take on FF7. It's a horrible and lame ass excuse if I'm quite honest. Where was this excuse in 2015? Everyone THOUGHT the game was going to be the exact storyline with just way better graphics and possibly new content and PEOPLE WERE STILL FREAKING HYPED AS HELL. Even when it was stated to be released in episodes, and that was cause we thought "damn they are going to expand on the areas and characters". Hell, before the ending I was wondering how they would incorporate Yuffie and Vincent because they were last minute choices for the original due to time. They didn't have much content going for them. Lastly, if they wanted to change the major events and make it a sequel, then why do the Destiny and time crap? Why call it a remake? And why not just use the Advent Children Sephiroth using the lifestream to communicate to Cloud ? You'd still have the part where they talk about changing fate hinting toward Sephiroth knowing what happens and wants to Chang it. But now the Zack stuff just makes this potentially scary going forward. Very scary and very skeptical. Do I want characters to die? Ideally no, I love them all (including Jessie and Biggs) but where would the stories impact be with major stuff like that being gone? And kh3 still left a bad taste in my mouth.

[@Blintedhaa]

“-we don’t think anything is untouchable.” I would love to see this as passion, but it just comes across as arrogance.

[@Sokka2Me]

As I have gotten older I actually don’t mind when a game tricks me. Not in terms of quality! But more so when it comes to plot and themes. Maybe it’s because I played “MGS2 The Sons of Liberty” as a kid.

[@NovusLampshade]

I've been calling it a parallelquel since finishing the story.

[@Rex13013]

One thing I forgot to say, while I get your sentiment at the end about keeping the classic there as a companion piece and FF7R making the original relevant for years to come, I don't think its true considering a lot people I've seen defend the remake getting angry on the people who dislike the game don't like turn based rpgs in the first place, and a lot of other people, like newcomers, are using the existence of this game to validate their opinions on how outdated turn based rpgs are, so I don't see newcomers to the series going back. A while this might sound a bit hypocritical coming from me since I didn't play the original nor do I planned to, the reason I don't it's because I didn't like the graphics and I have a couple nitpicks with the gameplay of the original but mostly for the graphics, but I don't have a vendetta against turn based jrpgs like a lot of those people.

[@supersaiyaman11589]

coming from someone ho has played both action games and turn based games i can honestly say i like both. i do agree with them changing the combat to turn base as i think it fits with the story a lot better. i do think turn based in this game would be far less appealing to me as i like the freedom to move around the battle field . people that argue against that say action is a button masher well you can say that about turn based too. i also say to people that their is still the original if you don't like the remake .you can go play the original also if you bothered to look online you would have bean able to see what the game was like before buying it and i do this for games that i am thinking of buying.

[@parcival3016]

I can totally understand the problems with the marketing, but in retrospect, i’ve looked at “Remake” being more of a subtitle implying that a certain character is remaking the timeline, as an effect of the ending of AC, I’m hoping that in the future, in retrospect, it will have been a good thing and a great story

[@williamtorres2231]

With the remake, they are basically saying. You know all that struggle and character development of the original. That never mattered because Sephiroth can apparently time travel lol!!!! The meta commentary devolves the original story, about a man overcoming his trauma, into the story of FF 13 or 15. Where the protagonists have to defy their preordained fate from some higher power. Cloud hardly knew Sephiroth, in the original. However Sephiroth was the one that caused him so much pain from burning his village, to losing his memories, to controlling his actions. That's why Sephiroth became Cloud's visual representation for his trauma. When Cloud omnislashes Sephiroth at the end, he's basically overcoming both the metaphorical and physical control that Sephiroth had on his life. At that point Cloud could finally look toward the future. Tetsuya Nomura seemed to forget that tidbit in advent children as well, so forgive me, if I don't like FF7R. Still enjoy you're voice in any video though ;)

[@KingKien95]

Not all Nomura's fault. This was the plan for years if they were ever gonna remake it. And there's really no time travel involved. Alternate dimensions, yes. But no time travel. On the way to a smile, lifestream chapter. Pretty much explains why. Nojima wrote this book in 2009. If ur gonna blame someone blame all of them.

[@anouk356]

I'm one of those who wanted a 1:1 remake but with expanded things like fleshing out characters more where Avalanche moments in this game is the perfect example of what I wanted expanded upon, but I didn't want it for me the most (I love the OG SO MUCH that I'll be fine either way, what people fail to even consider is remakes are often for the NEW GENERATION who won't be able to connecto to the OG and it's story and characters. Why? Look at the graphics, I find them charming but the thing that holds back 80% of people who want to experience this story they heard SO MUCH about can't get into it because of the awkward in-between age of graphics it whas made. Most people I've heard who wanted this game never played ANY of the FF7 games and said/thought " FINALLY I can experience and aprreciate this great story. Finally I can get what all those others felt in the 90's. And most people know what happens to Aeris, they know Cloud and Sephiroth exist... but that is usually it. Most people have no idea what Sephiroths actual deal is, or the GIANT plot twist that hides behind Clouds facade. I love this game but shed a tear for so many who most likely will never be able to actually be INVOLVED in the story. they can play it but most people now can get emotionally involved with puppet looking mfers

[@Kaidantonio333]

It wasn't that complicated, considering the usual efforts in making a videogame. But they chose to make it more complicated when changing it to Final Fantasy VII-3.1: I Will [Never] Be A Memory...Cloud They changed things, they chose to change, they invented the time jannies from scratch.

[@MadHermit95]

FF VII RE:MAKE Fragments of Unions Children 4/1/4 Final complete mix. This will be the name of the final product.

[@gatst7680]

Hilarious and original joke

[@minespatch]

Also Starring Knuckles

[@Kalinstarz]

As someone who didn't play FF7 before and finished FF7R the only thing I didn't get was the ending, it was confusing. Not to say it was bad it was just too vague but I can only assume was much clearer for someone who played the original. In fact I loved FF7R so much that I bought and started playing the original as I wanted to see the rest of the story and spend more time with the characters. I can't wait for the next parts of FF7R.

[@FackuIkari]

29:57 Remake is the thing that actually made play the original more that years and years of fans screaming in my hear that it was the greatest game ever made and that it will never be surpassed by anything ever. I played it, I really liked it and then I watched the side stuff. Shot me with your best gun Nomura, I'm fucking ready for this shit now. If it was a 1 to 1 remake I would be like "that was cool, I'll wait for the next one now" instead of being "Oh shit, this a lot more interesting now that I know this is a fucking sequel, I need to play the original right now!"

[@andrewcarlton6196]

I have two issue that make the game a 9.5 for me. First the wispers and fate stuff to not fit and you can feel that it was shoved in. They do not even fallow their own logic stoping little things while allowing whole chapters to go by with no problems. They are poorly executed. Does Shinra just randomly place explosives on highway overpasses or did the Developers need a scene to show the wispers saving the. Nothing they do makes sense and is a poorly executed narrative device Second was that we are not given any reason to be fighting Sephiroth either than Aerith saying he is a bad man. I loved the game and I enjoyed the ending and I do not mind changes but do not change or add things that just do not fit or your not willing to give a reason. People say things will be explained in the sequl, but that is bad story telling. Everything should be explained and set by the first part. And all this does not excuse the poor dialogue in the final parts of the game

[@cillbipher2613]

Honestly the best part of all of this is that people are acknowledging Ehrgeiz once again. Oh, one more thing.... If it weren't for Nomura, everyone in FF7 aside from Cloud and the other two members in your party would've died.

[@Ramsey276one]

I need a PlayStation that can play my Final Fantasies... and Ehrgeiz! WAIT IS THAT LAST LINE FOR REAL?!

[@JL-tr7wq]

@@Ramsey276one The devs originally were going to let you pick 2 party members and kill off everyone else in the return to Midgar. Nomura objected and it was changed to just Aerith.

[@charlestonobryant807]

J L he did so because he felt it would have much more impact and feel much more surprising out of any death if I remember correctly

[@teriyaki_chicken]

I love seeing people talk out of their ass and criticize him and Kingdom Hearts when Kingdom Hearts is a mishmash of Final Fantasy tropes and FF7 wouldn't be what it is today without Nomura

[@Ramsey276one]

@@JL-tr7wq WHOA... O_o DARK SOULS RUN!

[@BugsyFoga]

So is it a re-imagining then ?

[@someguy5319]

yes and no, its a reimagining/sequel

[@Ialliac]

FF7 ReMADE

[@teriyaki_chicken]

It's a sequel

[@KingdomFinalXBleach]

Yes because they themselves called it a reimagining. It's more accurate to say it's a psuedo reimagining disguised as a reboot/sequel.

[@andrewcarlton6196]

It is a remake with the exception os the final part after the highway chase.

[@TK_TK811]

I'm in the camp of ignoring everything else related to ff7 besides the main game as a fanfiction cash grab garbage after. They are forever in the shadow of the success of ff7 and it shows, thank god for Yoshi P and the Drakengard director keeping the company creatively relevant. Nomura should have got the boot a long time ago just from looking at the kingdom hearts franchise, he's a hack writer imo.

[@justindykes9774]

Blaming it all on Nomura is probably unfair considering that there were multiple writers and he wasn’t even one of the major ones

[@Foxcade]

I say time and time again throughout this video "Devs" and "creators" or "Nomura and his team" because I know. But at the end of the day, Nomura is the director and he has final say on creative design and execution, hence why he is typically the one people direct frustration and praise at.

[@KingKien95]

@@Foxcade i hear that how things work in Japan when it comes to directors, producers and what not. Works differently than they do in the west. He probably doesn't even has as much control as most ppl think he does. Plus he didn't even know he was directing the game like until it was announced in 2015. Besides, Nojima wrote a FF7 book (on the way to a smile) back in 2009. Which FF7R seems to take some ideas from(which includes how Sephiroth and Aerith know of their future events) . So I feel like this has been the idea for a while now and not just mostly Nomura.

[@KingKien95]

@@Foxcade also, that's a very clickbait thumbnail for all the Nomura blamers out there

[@justindykes9774]

@@Foxcade Yeah i hear you but you have a small misunderstanding about how games are produced in the east. While the director role is a big deal here in the west, the Producer has much more creative control than the director in Japan. The director there is much more of just a team coordinator.

[@Foxcade]

I honestly just thought it was a funny thing to put in the thumbnail since people that loved the game also enjoyed it when I showed them, but I do get what you mean haha

[@Frostmourne86]

What's the website the Aeris death scene in the beginning of the video from? I'd like to see a bigger version of it.

[@Tibi93]

Why would they wanna destroy "The will of the planet" if Avalanche wants to save the planet ? Also why would they go along with Sephiroth 's plan ? I understand the the meta context but makes no sense from the characters perspective. That's why I don't like the meta aspects of the remake, it takes precedence over the in universe characters actions.

[@suzectomy929]

Nomura turned Avalanche into huge hypocrites by having them fight against the Whispers since they serve the planet. Also since the three Whisper bosses are supposed to be Loz, Yazoo and Kadaj from Advent Children, it makes no sense for them to be helping the Whispers because that goes against Sephiroth. It's like they didn't think about this stuff AT ALL. I am so sad this was so poorly handled.

[@yourmother4385]

Because they saw the future.

[@Tibi93]

@@yourmother4385 If they saw the whole future, they know Sephiroth fails right ? They are willing to gamble the existence of everyone on the planet and the planet itself, so that they can save a few lives ?

[@yourmother4385]

@@Tibi93 I thought Red XIII was the last one alive and all of humanity died out?

[@Tibi93]

@@yourmother4385 I thought the green lifestream/mako repelled the meteor, and we just get a shot of Red XIII with a family at the end. If everyone did die how did Red survive ?

[@krodriguez0055]

Why do people get so confused about remakes? A remake is when you change things like ff 7. So it's a remake and call it a remake. A remaster is when you don't change anything but graphic upgrades. Like Bioshock or last of us or return to Arkham. So it's a remake and it's called a remake because it's a remake

[@Foxcade]

Because it's used in an incredible flippant way that leads to it being ill defined. I agree with you, but you also have things like a Shadow of the Colossus Remake which is a from the ground up recreation but the same game or RE1 Remake which only adds a few details, but is over all the same exact game.

[@Cai_Behr]

God damn it, I almost choked on my food at the "me? gongaga" bit

[@saintsocramnymaia5511]

Imagine wiping your arse with your flagship product to make a "statement" , Just admit you messed up and apologize to the original fan base

[@biteytarkus2684]

Comparing FF7R and The Last Jedi? I don't think anybody believes that the game is as bad as that dumpster fire

[@Foxcade]

You're proving the point my dude. You're talking about it like its definitively awful when plenty of people love it.

[@spikeyjacketgod]

I agree with Foxyboi, The Last Jedi was awesome.

[@genyakozlov1316]

More like 7R is not as good as the Last Jedi. Really, I was never a fan of 7, but I am a Nomura fan, so I'm excited to learn if he's gonna play any role in the story changes.

[@night1952]

@Wild Dude It didn't try something different, it was subversive for subversion sake.

[@eyesburning]

Best video on the topic I have seen so far. Thanks for that! I am still split on whether or not I like the way they ended the remake... But my biggest issue with it is still that they overused the Sephiroth character so much to render him completely without mystery.

[@makotoyuki345]

“He was a mercenary working for the avalanche gang, With mako terrorists who you’d probably wanna ba-“

[@FantasyWriter162]

Okay. So, I said this in another video from clowfish tv and imma just copy and paste what I said, as I still believe in my statement: "I never played the original or the reboot, but I think this could have (possibly) been avoided had they 1. Told the audience, clearly, that this game is gonna have different elements/stort beats from the original and 2. Admit that this was planned to be a reboot, rather than a remake. Personally, I'm not surprised this backlash happened; recently SE has been letting go with actual full depth storytelling, and focuses too heavily on gameplay or graphics (look at ffxv and the kh series). Its a shame really..."

[@Superschokokeks]

I always wonder why it has to be a Remake, when playing older games is just fine. If you remake Ultima 1 - that is something I would understand, but in this case you easily can buy FF7 from steam store, don't have to do much to improve the expierence and compatibility and you can enjoy it. Most game since 1995 are easy to pick up.

[@ruihanazawa2906]

This video has a lot excuses being made that can be counter argued. Understandable that Sephiroth was over used? They said it would satisfy the old fans and a good start for the new. Old fans didn't want to see him that early and new fans have no clue who he is even when shown too much. A contradiction and an excuse. Expectations from the fans? No one is complaining about the additional changes to the gameplay and story. It's the drastic change with the time, destiny element in the final chapter that is divisive. It's good to add a little spice and seasoning to a dish but you don't throw in vinegar and milk just to take a risk. Subverting expectations is why Game of Thrones dropped the ball in the final two seasons. Speaking of risk, it's fine when it's new. You can't compare that same risk when remaking an already existed game that its own set of rules set in place. Basically, remaking isn't a complication - it's the people working on it that makes it complicated. Nomura should have questioned himself what he wants done and what should be done. He chose to Nomura it and we got what we got. You can respect his creative choice but you can't say he had no choice. He made one, just don't say it was for the fans cuz evidently it wasn't or else the fans wouldn't be so divisive.

[@jonnymario771]

Yeah, one thing I learned about remakes/remasters/reanything with dark souls and this: fanboys will stretch the meaning of the previous as much as they can in order to defend their beloved companies... its depressing.

[@fgdsfgsdfgdsfgdfgsdfgsdfgs8679]

Translations of the Remake Ultimania Interviews said that FF7R is going to be the SAME story players played in 1997. They are not making a new story or messing with the plot, it seems they are adding new themes and ideas but keeping faithfully to the original story. Again this is translations of Interviews from the TOP 3 Kitase, Nomura, Nojima which were supposedly taken earlier this year. Dont get caught up in the Sequel not Remake drama, it does not look to be this way.

[@fgdsfgsdfgdsfgdfgsdfgsdfgs8679]

@DeadRat Productions Jessie is actually dead. Her gloves and headband are on the table next to Biggs who was obviously comatose since the pillar incident. At no point in the original are these characters confirmed dead since sector 7 is not revisited. It has always just been assumed they are, now we know Jessie did die, and Biggs scraped through, Wedge got a few more scenes in the story too. Again no big changes, its not Aerith living, Cloud marrying Zack, Barret killing Tifa and Sephiroth becoming a space donkey. Its just 3 minor characters getting a little more fleshed out in the story. The multi-verse stuff is spelling out that now 'Destiny' doesnt exist anything could happen. The original game ended with Holy having the choice to wipe the slate clean, even wiping out humanity along with meteor. Its spelt out in the lore itself, that the planet is focused on its own survival and will happily use WEAPON to turn innocent life into lifestream if the planet needs healing. The original game is a LOSE-LOSE for humans and Seph. The planet survives, but 500 years into the future humans may not. Hence why red sees the vision of himself running towards the nature reclaimed Midgar saying 'this is a vision of the future if we fail here today'. Seph has a new plan, something to do with now...saving the planet, and needing Clouds help. Its a new motivation and will be interesting to see how the game ends this time. With the planet controlling events toward the Advent children timeline (favouring the planets survival over humans) it funnels all outcomes to where Zack ALWAYS dies. Now without Destiny, Zack DOESNT ALWAYS die, other worlds exist where Zack can live. This is more than likely the point of that scene. Zack is definitely dead in the game we are playing, Cloud has his sword and is living as him. Zack will definitely not be in the game as a surviving character, you cant jump across timelines/multiverses, and there is no story goal in doing so. The Ultimania book (japanese only) has been partially translated and confirms that the game will be following the original games plot and nothing will be significantly changed, this was discussed several weeks ago. I hope there are new things to see, deeper dives into scenes/locations and characters. And generally more of what we got in Part 1, save for the overly long exploration sections and switch puzzles.

[@decusq]

Ok so one of my biggest problems in this game was how they handled Sephiroth because to me and how they used him in this game he comes off more like a Troll then a menace or true villain in that sense. In the original game Sephiroth never really cared for Cloud, he was nothing more then another tool for him to use. But the Sephiroth in this game feels more like Advent Children or Dissidia Sephiroth, where he torments Cloud because of his anger and bitterness towards him. In this game it feels like Sephiroth knows him, taunts him and berates him like a school bully. If anything they blew their load with Sephiroth in this game which i'm hoping means were gonna lead up to Jenova being the true antagonist in the game.

[@adognamedsally]

Well, I think the idea is that this sephiroth is not the same sephiroth from the first game. Both he and Aerith clearly know that something is up, and it seems that this Sephiroth knows that his first attempt to call down meteor failed because of killing Aerith and activating Holy, so he's using lifestream+Jenova magic to travel back in time to influence events. He still needs Cloud to bring him the black materia, because Cloud is tied to him, just like in the OG game, but this time, Sephiroth acknowledges that Cloud is important to him, whereas he had no idea the first time around. Now idk if this is compelling or not, but this is the story as I understand it right now.

[@RoydGriffin]

As a longtime fan of the original, everytime I start to get a bit sad that the remake I have waited for so long probably isn't gonna be a "pure" remake I find videos like yours and regain hope and trust that the developers might know what they a re doing. And knowing that this will help the original stay relevant for a long time also gives me comfort. This game is very important to me, probably the most important piece of media , a world where I can lose myself over and over again. And the fact that I can now speculate and look again where the next part is gonna take us is actually as nice as it is scary. long story short: nice video!

[@fy4b230]

Good comment. It is nice to get reassurance from other people when things change, however in this case when I finished the game and experienced the jarring ending... I just asked myself a few questions... Did they hit every story point from the original? yes. If they didn’t 1:1 hit a story point did they change it for the better? Yes. Did this game give me the emotions of original? Yes. Did I have fun? Yes. If the original creators could do this in 1997 and 2020 there’s no reason at the moment for me to expect them to fuck it up going forward. Gotta give them credit and some praise. Even with Nomuras history in the back of my head, this game surpassed my expectations. So I will reserve the firing squad for after the “remake” is completed.

[@tarutso]

@@fy4b230 Very well put both. Having played most triple A releases of late I started to feel I was growing out of games as they just didn't grip me. Perhaps the nostalgia influencing me more so than not but this was one of the most memorable gaming experiences I've had these past few years. The attention to detail on things that matter like how well realised the characters are and how engaging the combat gameplay is, the next game cannot come soon enough?!

[@RoydGriffin]

@@fy4b230 Given that I personally didn't really enjoy the last few Final Fantasy games, and (and I hate to bring that up) the Kingdom Hearts story is just a convoluted mess at this point, it's hard for me to just blindly trust them if they take the story into a new direction, especially if they introduce stuff like alternate dimensions and possibly time travel into the already coplicated and multy layered original story. But other than that I totally agree with all your points!

[@fy4b230]

Kels Oha agreed. God of War was the last game that gripped me. However even with that, I didn’t feel I had to replay it or platinum. I don’t platinum many games. If I do though that means it really got me. Since 2009 I’ve platinum’d 3 games...Dark Souls, Bloodbourne, Hollow Knight. Now you can add FF7R to that list. Can’t wait for the 2nd part of this series. That’s an amazing feat that I wouldn’t feel if it was just a 1:1 remake. I’d be excited, but not anticipating it like now.

[@fy4b230]

RoydGriffin I totally understand your viewpoint. That was my knee jerk reaction as well. Totally cool to still hold that position. I was never a huge KH fan and I just summed the shitshow that series was to Disney and trying to work a story around that. Do I still have some worries about the rest of the remake? Sure. But after asking myself those questions, it put everything in a better perspective for the future of this game. Now I could be setting myself up for a huge disappointment, but god damn the Remake hit me. Let’s hope Nomura can learn from his past mistakes. Also he’s not the only one making this game, so that’ll help as well. Learn from your history, and the “what have you done for me lately” mentality works well with the remake. Lol.

[@coolguy700able]

I actually really like the direction they are taking. Not to mention that the theories and speculation that this game has generated are insane.

[@TheSinlessAssassin]

I rage uninstalled this game yesterday after going through the ridiculousness of the Wall Market section. I got annoyed by the bloated sidequest stuff (that I know are optional, but still kinda wanna do them in an OCD kinda way) along with the hand holdy dungeon to follow. Not even being that big of a fan of the original FFVII, and knowing the twist ending of FFVIIR before starting it, I was annoyed with HOW they changed things. It just wasn't for the better in my experience. However, you make some good arguments about the pressure for developers to make remakes and that FFVII is one of the few ubiquitous games that could pull off the meta commentary where it'd be this controversial. I'm usually the guy to accept anything that most people hate because I respect creators for what they were going for. For instance, most people hate the ending of How I Met Your Mother for very valid reasons I understand, but I accepted the ending as it was as it seemed the most logical for the show. Hell, I even did not mind that Raiden turned out to be the true protagonist about MGS2, but maybe that's because I didn't finish MGS1 so maybe I didn't grow the same attachment to Snake as most people did, but anyway... FFVIIR was the first time where I felt like I couldn't be as forgiving and positive as I normally am, and so coupled with your points about creative freedom, I think I'm starting to calm down a bit and actually respect the creators for the risk they took with this game. I think thanks to you I might give this game a second chance. I'm gonna try and embrace the changes instead of wishing it was a 1:1 remake as people initially expected and wanted. When it first came out I thought that that's all it was gonna be, but it was only recently that I found out it was meant to rewrite the story and that actually intrigued me. So maybe I'm gonna realign myself with that intrigue and see the game through.

[@Myke_Alpha9]

Man, I really hate when people defend developers as if they were babies. I know they are humans and they deserve respect, but when they f*ck up, they aren't children that draw something ugly and you're supposed to tell them its not ugly to make them feel better. That's just an excuse to justify f*ck ups that you're okay with either for that needless compassion or bad taste. This is the real world, they are adults, and like a mature adult you're supposed to pinpoint where they f*ck, to make sure they learn from their mistakes and do better. But nooooo, they are like: "Awwww, but the developers are trying so haaaaard. Instead of being original, lets give them a chance to be creative with a +20 years old story that they've been milking to death since then instead of making something new that surpass it. This time they will deliver something great😍".

[@johnsonferguson7107]

Plus the ending which was AWESOME, but how can the future sephiroth get beat by passed verison of cloud?

[@RoxasXIII]

im here for what ever the next chapter of FF7R brings

[@Hailstormful]

You could say FF7R is about the tug-o'-war between Future Sephiroth, the Will of the World and Aerith (+future memories) trying to RE-MAKE history as they see more fitting... Basically, we're turning FF7 into Radiant historia

[@KotoCrash]

Yeah Resident Evil 3 Remake isnt a good conparison considering how watered down that title was. Less features and content than the ps1 original, crazy. Wasnt just the dress.

[@dsjgoku]

never compare ff7r with tlj. but yeah i can understand why people would be divided on the ending.

[@Kazeko2012]

To be honest, by this point I'm kind of over the whole ending debate. I do agree with your points though. Now I just feel it's distracting from other topics that could be discussed and that's kind of sad to me. I'd love to see people theorizing now about what roles characters will play, which expanded universe character will appear or maybe new ones, or how the compilation as a whole will be adjusted or adapted to the story Remake is trying to tell. I'm so excited to see how Avalanche HQ will take part in further arcs (For Condor perhaps?), will we see the rest of the Turks that are in hiding, whatever happened to Kunsel, we saw Kyrie and Leslie so does that mean Evan might show up as a character? How about Genesis and Minerva? So many things but I can't find anyone wanting to talk about it.

[@KingKien95]

For real. Let's just move on. What's done is done. Maximillion theorizes a lot about it the future parts.

[@Rhomagus]

Plenty of reddit theory discussion posts. It's there if you want it, but ya, in terms of KZbin, those videos won't make it into your feed through the algorithm. You have to search for them. My favorite so far is a long video by the user Sleepezi that goes fairly in depth about what he thinks about the events and references made in the Remake. If you're interested, go check him out, it's literally the only video on his channel as of today.

[@Rafael-rn6hn]

​@Via Exactly. The fact that people are exhausted over this discussion is telling; it seems a whole lot of people positively are not going along with this 'modern take' on FF7. Good luck to everyone with your theorizing. It'd be a shame if your expectations got sUbVERteD and all came to naught.

[@darkdestructer]

FF7 got me into gaming as a child. I played this game a houndred of times and I gotta say I love that they remade it. Yes the original is something it cant stand up with, but they showed respect for the masterpiece it was. Its by far not the best game but afterall all I really wanted as a fan was more ff7, kinda hurts not being able to leave midgar( god I miss Vincent),but Remaking a game 1:1 neglects the fact of remaking it in the first place, remaking a game is more meant as a homage since if u want the same game, you could play that game still even if the graphics aren't up to date. Also I have never ever seen a remake being so fresh and more of what I loved than this game, there are thousands of details which almost had me crying because I couldn't believe it. They couldn't have shown their love for the game in any better way. Differences dont matter, even if it wasnt what I expected as an ending,because the overall product counts. Im glad I could experience my favorite game so many years later.

[@Rihcterwilker]

darkdestructer well said. Beat by beat, this is a remake, even if there's an added layer to it.

[@SaberRexZealot]

I find it funny that all the videos I’ve seen on this game have used the term “cultural osmosis”

[@AvalancheReviews]

I think maybe you're reading into the changes made in ff7r. The changes are likely not due to a desire to subvert, but the read more like a "this is how it should have always been" kind of situation. Kind of like how Lucas went in and retroactively changed the Star Wars movies. I get the feeling that differences in 7's story come from a developer sitting in a room and saying "hey wouldn't it be cool if...."

[@Foxcade]

Sup Jared? Honestly while your implying I'm being too generous, yours is a fairly pessimistic take to me. I really don't get the feeling that this is a George Lucas re-edit, especially since the game goes so far out of it's way to acknowledge the original game and story. If it was a "This is how it was always supposed to be" thing, they would have just done that. Also to your final statement, doesnt most writing boil down to someone going "wouldnt this be cool?" at the end of the day? Edit: The devs also stated they want people to go back to the original after playing this game, so I really dont think they are trying to replace the OG FF7 with what they think should have happened.

[@averyaustin1]

Guess you could say the ending made you feel.... Hollow! (Cricket Cricket)

[@Duskets]

I see a lot of die-hard Remake defenders diminishing people’s (very real and valid) concerns about the direction of the story by saying “jUsT pLaY tHe OrIgInAl” while completely missing the point that this Remake was so highly anticipated *because* people wanted the original brought into a modern era. It’s no longer FF7 Remake, it’s FF7 Remix.

[@jeromealday614]

Embrace the change. A lot of casuals enjoyed it and as a devoted fan, I'm fine and happy with that.

[@Kindlesmith70]

Except it the new game isn't complete yet, has characters alive that shouldn't be, and tries to be a different game altogether while maintaining the same cast... It's a remake. I don't recall the ending of FF7 rewinding time to undo everything. Still could happen with this, but at present there is no exact evidence to this. "production limitations" doesn't mean a game should be screwed to accommodate a new audience. Feel free to join hands with J.K. Rowling, George Lucas and every team that decided WOMAN POWA should dominate all franchises if your view doesn't appreciate established lore.

[@brunosnowsilva]

Nomura: Already spit on KH fan, time to spit on FF7. LOL

[@aidanklobuchar1798]

My feelings regarding Nomura can summed up as me not being sure if I'll be disappointed or relieved if this isn't somehow tied into how Cloud/Tifa/Sephiroth show up and act in KH2.

[@adrian_veidt]

Degreeslessness explained it best. It's a scam. A lie designed to take advantage loyal FF7 fans and fake wannabe ones who just got into the franchise. SE and Tetsuya nomura looked at a classic story and tell you, fans in a straight face that it's not good enough. In the words of fake aerith, "We can change it. We can make it right!" The game is filled with filler. Unnecessary padding to justify SE's excuse to make it episodic. Thus turning the classic game into a predatory live service. Don't even get me started on the stupidity of nomura's writing that reeked of autism when he butchered sakaguchi's work.

[@jmkos86]

It really doesn’t make a difference to me whether it was called remake or something else. I got exactly what I wanted and more. All the areas and characters and weapons and abilities in HD AND a NEW addition to the story. I don’t think it’s really the name but the fact that you can never please everyone. Having played the original a couple times and then this, I will say, the game is flawless. For what it is, it’s an amazing work they did at square enix!

[@alemarba]

Exactly my own feelings. They gave me what I wanted by 3x factor! Out of the stadium!

[@86lanzo]

It's interesting that you left out that the most important figure in the development of FF7 wasn't involved with FF7R.. Hironobu Sakaguchi was the writer and producer of FF7...he was not involved in FF7R... Wonder why you left that out

[@Blintedhaa]

Exactly and then the new team have the arrogance to say that “we dont think anything is untouchable” 28:33 It’s disrespectful af

[@12ealDealOfficial]

I loved your critique here, especially the note you ended on. Leading up to firing up my copy on release day, I was well into the "this will be fun, come what may" camp as FF7 wasn't my favorite of the franchise, though I played it a lot as a kid back in the late '90s and throughout my teenage years. After my first play through, prior to *that* Easy Allies podcast, I knew there was probably a ton of details incorporated along the way that I had missed leading up to the conclusion. I was right. While many say they felt "blindsided" by the final chapter, it was clear there was something new going on right in the very first cutscene and especially during Aerith and Cloud's first meeting. If you want to get WAY into Kubrickian levels of analysis, try exploring different dialogue options just in passing, like the playground segment with Aerith when she just asks if you're ready to leave. When you say "No" multiple times, Cloud's delivery changes, becoming more foreboding and melancholy, as if this moment he's having with Aerith is perhaps the only encounter like it he'll ever have, and it hurts him. I got this reaction on an Aerith run, though I'm not sure that changes anything. I'd have to play through again to find out. I'd like to talk about how this game is modernist rather than postmodern in a video sometime, especially now that you've gone there with your critique. Anything which seems bold, recent, and connotatively dour already seems to have a postmodern bent, but I think the game's sentiments on change and in broader gameplay segments (Chapter 15 in particular) and tone are boldly and refreshingly modern. The Japanese approach to the "modernism and postmodernism fighting it out" dialogue is vastly different to how we see it in the west.

[@lonelywolf5659]

This is like someone mix mgs2 and new Yoshi island and put ff7 in it and a little kingdom hearts and ff15 and there you go ff7 remake.

[@stefanoblack2221]

I loved this video, very well constructed and you made many interesting points (: My final opinion is still that they should have slapped "Reboot" on the cover. And even then, it wouldn't work as such, even if you consider FF7R a reboot... it's still a BAD reboot. Sorry dev team but "Entry point to Final Fantasy" my ass... it's super convoluted and padded to infinity and beyond. Those few poor souls that never played OG FF7 are gonna stare at the screen dumbstruck by the end of it all. In my opinion Nomura is the worst writer ever saw in the industry. He has many good ideas but when it's time to put them together coherently... ooooh boy... But rather than be mad about it, I preferred not buying it and ignore it. I saw a full playthrough of it, formulated my opinion and dismissed the game entirely. Not gonna be a dick and ask for a "TRUE" remake xD but I sincerely hope this is the game where someone put Nomura's idea into a coherent and well presented plot. That would be cool.

[@tarutso]

The vast majority of newcomers have enjoyed this game including its ending. What are you talking about? Also, good thing Nomura isn't the writer in this game... Nojima is. Nomura isn't even credited with being on the writing staff in FF7R like he was both Director and Writer in the KH series *sighs* know your facts Lastly, dude, I know coz of the current situation money and time can be tight, but damn you really deprived yourself. A game that is considered one of the most anticipated of the past decade, and you went ahead and watched a full playthrough of it??? Do you understand the fundamental difference between 'watching' a video game vs 'playing' it? It's like "meh I read a wikipedia plot summary of the latest Nolan film and I'm like I'm good"... lol? How about rather than making arguments based on no substance whatsoever, like as if someone whining "omg LOTR is so bad because of the country Tolkien's from" and actually tackle the substance of the gameplay or the story? Do yourself a favour next time. If you have the means and the time. Purchase the game, and play the game. Games. They're supposed to be played dude

[@adognamedsally]

I disagree. Plenty of new people are enjoying the game. Realize that even if they did make a 1-1 reproduction, it would not capture that experience you had initially. Times are different now. The OG game was important because of the time it came out. Also, just look at how much care was given to so much of the game.

[@bjornmeyer1193]

@@tarutso stfu Fan Boy the Game IS Trash even without thinking on the original Its Not a good Game lol but that so many Love it Shows why Games get worser and worser this Game makes nothing great and the stuff it makes good other Games do better and compared to the original its bullshit but Most of you can See it cause you are trapped in your fantasies over fucking the bitch Jessie

[@bjornmeyer1193]

@@tarutso and No WE should Not buy and Play all Shit and pay for itmy Girlfriend buyed this Trash cause she thought its atleast better as Resi 3 but its Same Trash XD the music IS Trash the system IS Trash the Story Changes are Trash they Stretch time Like sick with slow down Always and 1 Million ladders they Lied cause its Not a Remake and worst of all how they poorly tried to put a Bit of the whole Game in this short Episode IS pathetic even more cause how short and linear the Game IS there was No reason to make Episoden Out of this Game besides of Money but hey fanboys Like you Like that right

[@tarutso]

@@bjornmeyer1193 Uh oh here we go. Incomprehensible troll coming out from their mother's basement. Let me try: OMG fan boy game so fun better than rest any other game best in life haters are trash should die and game is great even better than Original game which is bullshit but losers who want game dont have game so gotta talk trash over their fantasies and end with some misogynistic incel drivel

[@supersegaman]

I find it weird and a bit arrogant that most people suggest they know more about the characters and world than the people who created it. This isn't a completely new team of people with no knowledge of the original, It's the dream team nearly everyone who worked on the original is working on this game and the next . I don't think the devs are going to take that for granted, they know to handle with care. It's their story they want to give you what you want and be able to expand on their story and I think they have that right.

[@andrewcarlton6196]

Well hate to tell you but in most cases fans know more about their work then they do

[@supersegaman]

@@andrewcarlton6196 I'll give that but that only happens when you have someone who doesn't care about their work

[@andrewcarlton6196]

@@supersegaman yes and no. Take Hideo Kojima who have never played a Metal Gear Soild game. This was why there continuity issues in MGSV. He cares for his work but he does not remember everything whe has writen

[@supersegaman]

@@andrewcarlton6196 I hear you and I don't disagree I just don't see them going the naughty dog route on this. I really believe we are going to get an amazing game, but idk maybe I'm wrong maybe I'm right i just can't wait for part 2

[@andrewcarlton6196]

@@supersegaman I am sure they will still make a great game. I am excited for the sequal, but I can recognize that this games has some huge narrative and story telling problems and it already has shown they are to chicken to kill people off. Given that 87% of this game is solid it makes me wonder why they went with suck a generic and weak ending. Square has not made a strong ending since FFIX and this ending in my opinion felt like FFXIII ending. I also got the impression that they were going to make the story about Aerith as it seems like Xloud has already overcome Sephiroth

[@stublazinsky5690]

Yo dawg I heard you like Kingdom Hearts so I put Kingdom Hearts in your FFVII so you can play Kingdom Hearts while you play FFVII

[@zoemare1014]

I mean it is a remake but not the remake we are thinking we've been possibly bamboozled

[@SaigaTenshi]

Nomura was too shy to call it "Final Fantasy 7 Reboot"

[@JubeiSenpai]

I would have no issue with this "Remake" if it wasn't broken into parts. I'm not into this retelling and will pass on the next games.

[@dadodem2157]

From which game did 2:54 footage come from please?

[@lionheart1013]

After calming down taking a few steps back and analyzing things further......I'm still mad about it, but no longer in a frothing rage. My issue was not the changes they made most of the additional content I loved to bits and some of the story changes were pretty good and can roll with it because they were small and subtle, My issue is that they decided to go absolute balls crazy and blow their sephiroth chunks everywhere and get time travel involved, And 9/10 times time travel plots in a remake/reimagining almost never go well and I have serious doubts that Nomura has the chops to pull it off. Personally if they showed some levels of restraint with Sephiroth and wasn't so handfisted with the 'Arbiters of Fate' (I hate that name so much) I would actually be eagerly awaiting the next part and be doing repeat playthroughs. I was expecting changes, I was expecting it to deviate abit from the source material, but I think they took it too far and more or less as you said 'Hoodwinked the Audience'. Say what you will about the Evangellion Remakes but at least Anno (As much as I don't like this guys Directing because he constantly has to remind everyone that 'He mad Evangellion' in all his works) Showed Restraint and Slowly Eased in the newer stuff, drip feeding us that "This is a completely different story" before it went balls crazy, I knew by the end of 1.11 that we were in for a diffrent story all togeather due to the subtle clues, hints and revelations made, so by the end of 2.22 when it went off the rails and went balls crazy we were already strapped in and ready for the ride, Plus it also helps that I Hated the OG Evangellion because Anno didn't know WTF he was doing and was just making BS up as he went through his crippling depression, but now with new funds, and a more focused outlook he can fix what I considered to already be broken, and so far I am enjoying the new Direction of the Rebuild series. As for MGS2 That was mostly the marketing to blame for what happened there, I didn't view any of the marketing before getting MGS2 so when the whole game became about Raiden I wasn't mad or anything and was intrested on where things were going, the only thing I REALLY didn't like about MGS2 were the CONSTANT Codec Calls and the Melodrama with Rose got annoying, but I liked MGS2 from beggining to end. If I was blinded by the Marketing I probably would have been more harsh on the game like everyone else. The Core problems with the FF7Re and why I and possibly others are upset about is not that deviated from the original source of the game, I Personally like it when remakes either expand or clean up things that the OG game lacked, forgotten, or tie it more closer together with its EU (for better or worse) the problem is It Deviated to much, too far, too fast and too radically for everyone to jump onboard with all at once during the last few hours of the game especially when your new plot involves fate, destiny and time travel, while it dose Validate the OG Game stronger it also makes the Remake look weaker in comparison, not only that Those kinds of plots Typically do not end well for anyone because of how easily it is to break everything, I know you used the Janga tower comparison but by putting in this new plot its like taking all the peices off the tower and is BARELY Standing Wobbling Vehemently so much that the tiniest of nudges hell even if you blow on it, it will make it fall, Its not a good direction for the plot to go in and is a EXTREMELY hard to pull off successfully. Like I said they should have Restrained Sephiroth more. make him the force thats questioning Clouds sanity but also tell you 'This guy is Dangerious and is the Villain' without going balls crazy, The Arbiters of Fate should have either been not included or been the 'Spirit of the Planet' Areith constantly talked about in the OG Game, and the Final Boss should have been a JENOVA Fight, because people forget that JENOVA Was the Deuteragonist to Sephiroth and basically everything bad in FF7 Revolved around her/it remember Sephiroth would not be the "God Tier" Antagonist everyone likes to think he is without her/it. And Possibly a Scripted fight with Sephiroth showcasing how dangerous he is, preferably not going balls crazy in Advent Children Territory, And FOR GODS SAKE Stop with the 'One Black Wing' Shtick with Sephiroth because HE NEVER HAD IT TO BEGIN WITH and should Only popup when its 'For Realz Final Boss time'. drip feeding us things are different and the plot could go Balls Crazy right around when the Crew get to the Temple of the Ancients (although you could do it sooner like reaching Niblehime first or possibly on the ship ride to Costa De Sol) as by then the Audience can get the idea "This is not a 1v1 Remake this is a different story now so lets saddle up and see where this goes". But this is all my Opinion in the end......And a Extremely Unpopular opinion too :(

[@pimentx3253]

I don't think your opinion is unpopular.. In fact I agree with most of your points, except for the Sephiroth one. I see what you are saying, but the thing is if then went for the build up like in the og, it would be pointless. We already know who he is, and even way he is incorporated into the story(for the most part) fits into the original story, with the clones, jenova cells and everything. The fact we fight him at the end is too much, if they don't show restraint or are not able to top that fight for the next, or last part. Maybe I am to optmistic in that regard, and quite frankly don't believe Nomura of all people, will be able to incorporate time travel, and paralle dimension into the story in way that makes sense and feels organic. Although I think the concept of fate which is by far, for me the worst thing in that game. Simply because it undermines any kind of tension or stakes that the story might have, when they simple kill off Barret, and bring him him to life right after. Time travel is hard to pull off, fate is nearly impossible. At least that is out of the way. Sorry for the rant.

[@lionheart1013]

@@pimentx3253 OMG Thank you Finally someone who gets it =w= I don't think I explained the Sephiroth part very well, then again that comment was going on for a long while and I've more or less given my opinion on so many vids I often times don't give full context on things as to not repeat myself ^^; While your not wrong that "We already know who he is", this only extends to those who actually played OGFF7 which Lets face it the vast majority of people have not, they mostly know about FF7 because of Kingdom hearts, and the FF7 EU as well as other FF games and stimga from the game itself. And quite frankly the other materials portraying Sephiroth do a very bad shallow interpration on who Sephiroth is and how and why he was the villain of FF7, The Expanded material on him likes to portary him as a badass god like swordsman who can slice through buildings nonchalantly and has a kick ass huge black wing. The thing is....Sephiroth really was never like that in the game, In the OG Game Sephiroth was kinda more like a Boogieman/Slasher Villain type and even then you find out in the end it was just JENOVA Running around as him, So all the Crazy Ghostly stuff Sephiroth dose and the one who actually stabbed Areth in the end (Spoilers BTW) Was just JENOVA Shape-shifted as Sephiroth portraying his will, Sephiroth Was really a Stump of a Torso Encased in Materia after being Dunked into the Lifestream and Gaurded by the Planets Defense system so he couldn't escape because he has Alien Cells. You really didn't get to Confront him 1v1 until the end of the game and even then you didn't fight him in this epic sword duel he turned into a Angelic Kaiju monster. Also lets talk about Sephiroths ACTUAL Grandmaster plan here because apparently Nomura either forgot, Or the Fanbase Forgot. But Sephiroth's entire Plan was to become a God by smashing Meteor into Gaia and Absorb the Lifestream Energy used to heal the Planet to Acend into Godhood, He never accomplished it in the end. So IDK How the Hell he got Time Traveling Powers when he never became a God or even a Demi-God for that matter. Sure he got alot stronger when he got dunked into the Lifestream, and thats how he came up with the paln to begin with because More Lifesream Energy=More Power, but the process nearly killed him, the planet realized he was a forigen body and isolated him to the northern crator where the WEAPONS Were chillin, And really the only power Sephiroth got was being able to inforce HIS OWN will onto Jenova instead of the other way around. Jenova did the Majority of the Work Sephiroth was just Plunking its strings along with anyone with Its Cells.

[@amosdeguzman9980]

14:28 Me? Gongaga.

[@TheGriffin1999]

Tbh I’m on the side of the changes, I played the original more than once, watched tfs abridge it, watch a lot of recaps just cause I like the story, so some of the changes are refreshing, brings back some of my wonder and awe every once and a while, makes it more than just playing through the story again but with better visuals. However story moments like the whole ghost shit need to stop cause I’m sure everyone can agree it slowed down a big moment that emphasis on quickness and a need to get to the location, which also happens to be a huge turning point in the remake and that ghost mission felt like a huge waist of yime

[@meg8904]

I really like the remake but I would not say its a good first game to play. The flashbacks made no sense to me until I went down the ff7 rabbit hole and watched crisis core and the og game cutscenes. I had seen AC and enjoyed it for what it was. I think if you don't know about nibleheim the remake is confusing. Even if they're keeping the cloud was never in soldier plot twist secret I still think they needed more context for all the flashbacks.

[@corpnachan2666]

The best part of the ff7 remake was the ghost train yard. It was the best fleshd out part.

[@supersaiyaman11589]

i agree i loved the train graveyard in the remake.

[@oldchannelforayoungstupidf2649]

The true meaning behind the word Remake in the game's title is that it's a subtle hint at what is to happen at the end of the game. Cloud and the party defeat the Arbiters of Fate and Sephiroth, successfully changing their dictated destiny and begin their journey to Remake their future the way they want it to be. So you see, it's called Final Fantasy VII Remake because it's official going to be Remaking the course of the game's story. It's not that hard to understand, people. And besides, Nomura and Square have been saying for the past few years that things will be different from the original game. They were very subtle about what would be different, but they never said it would be a full on faithful re-read of the OG FF7 story. So don't act like Square lied to it's consumers when all they did was act subtle and their consumers all got the wrong idea.

[@andrewcarlton6196]

No the real reading for the title remake is because it will sell a million more copies. Marketing at SE have already said they went with Remake because it is the word that fits the best while selling the most copies.

[@bennyballs22]

I just don’t care about FF7 anymore. I loved playing it as a kid and I’ve had fun going back to it through the years but the future installment has me less than thrilled. This first part was OK (I’m in the group that didn’t like the ending) but it just didn’t hit the same notes the original had, and I’m ok with that. While it was a fun play through it left me feeling empty. Not sure if I’ll bother with the next installment, but to the people that are excited to see where this ends up, I’m happy for you

[@adognamedsally]

I felt that way initially, but I sat with it for a while and realized that there was a lot to be excited for, since we now don't know exactly what's going to come next. It's odd to be excited to find out what's going to happen to a game that I played 23 years ago inside and out, and I really want other people, like yourself, to be able to be in the same position of optimism that I am. I think it is a shame that people are feeling burned by the ending, when it opens up a lot of possibilities for being genuinely and positively surprised later on. I think that you need to detach yourself from the original to some extent and be open to new things in order to feel that way though.

[@vincentgraymore]

So, I had a long comment (way longer than this). I deleted all of it because it doesn't matter and I will sum up all in another way. I think that the developers are suffering from a kind of hubris but I know I will get flak for that but just hear me out. Them saying there aren't things "untouchable" and that they "know what they can touch and not" and giving us FF VII remake are to me bad signs. Good game 8-9/10 but a 2/10 on FF VII lore because of actual time travel. I get that lore was changed a lot from the OG with the OG+. This was their chance to "do-over" and not in a time travel way. People have 100 % faith yet DoC had like 5-6/10 back in the day and was basically only popular for people liking vincent and they knew what to do with the FF VII lore? They knew how to do banter between characters, they spent like 6 years on FF XV for that and maybe 2 years more for the FF VII remake and this is the biggest positive thing in both games. Remove or reduce the banter in FF VII remake to that of the OG and it would not be the same lovable characters. SE know presentation, something that has mostly been in all FF and they know how to do action after trying since ATB with a lot of "failures" along the way as well as AC. The slowmo exists in FF XV and can be upgraded to a standstill but is triggered strange and the game is more action-based. The novels that basically are the prequels to this remake (that is a sequel) were basically obscure and few read them and if they are not connected to remake then SQ really doesn't know what they actually did with the remake (the Aerith opening difference between OG and remake is explained and it proves timetravel, from sometime +- AC but seeing that the Nanaki scene is technically the future even in the OG and they are shown it we do know that the whisperers have the knowledge span over the whole of OG+). I hated that I discovered that time travel existed and that it is shoved down my throat by aggressive ghosts. I hate how it is implemented and I hate that the remake was not a remake but a sequel. I loved to see my favorite characters again. I loved that I got to play the action with FF VIIs crazy enemy roaster and Cloud. I loved seeing avalanche get some expanded growth and own chapter. I loved that we were going to get a very expanded project. Now I don't. Now I know that people will not agree with me and that I will be a thorn in people's eyes. I get that it hurts to hate on your favorite and I get the fear of cancelation. After all, this "fifth installment" was basically canceled/put on hold to work on other titles regardless of the reason for it. Had the original sequels been massive financial hits then it would be another thing (AC is tricky here I have discovered but all in all as a direct to DVD it was not a massive financial hit or decline and profitability has to my understanding not been revealed by SE). The thing is that since that day of the ps3 demo KH took over much of the popularity of SE and has been dominant for years and while it seems unfair to blame KH I think that KHs popularity is what got the developers to think that adapting those old novels would allow for another sequel in FF VII universe. I also think that a large portion of fans of KH and FF overlap, making it easier to do things that look similar from KH even if they are just both "fantasy". I do not think that KH takes all the "blame/praise" for the remake just as I do not think that Nomura is solely responsible. His name is on what can be considered more successful but Kitase as an example was the producer on DoC. Maybe FF VII had already evolved into, what I consider the remake to be, a mess, and I was just left in the dirt because I wasn't reading all, learning all, and kept up with all information. Perhaps that makes me a lesser fan. Perhaps remake was just a love letter to those fans but from what I am seeing by people here basically, no one knows much about FF VII lore/world to begin with and people pick and choose their lore. Because fans can be fans that have just played OG or simply did not like OG+ and unless you liked all of OG+ you are not allowed into the community even by the remake itself. Anyway, while I rant away here SE are laughing all the way to the bank and their ego grows stronger. The next installment is probably (hopefully) already planned and written but whatever happens at the 3rd installment is what I consider important. Even if it tanks harder than the wale from a hitchhikers guide to the galaxy the project will go down in history and I doubt it will follow the same history as the last star wars trilogy but since lightspeed raming is basically what time travel was to the OG I think I am out at least after 3rd installment, regardless if Aerith dies or lives in that one.

[@Nazani]

This whole discussion is moot. There's no point in talking about the boundaries or the lack there of of remakes as a whole. The problem with FF7 Remake is that it cheapens the story of the original. For no freaking reason. Remove the ghosts and the whole last section and you have a good game. With it though, this is yet another Tetsuya Nomura BS Kingdom Hearts level plot.

[@jonbourgoin182]

Imagine looking at FFVII’s original convoluted plot and thinking, “you know what this needs? Time travel and alternate realities!”

[@orllyfools14X8]

Hahahaha if only they just smoothed things out or gone into more details right?

[@ozm0zesjoe466]

Strokes of genius

[@arielgomes7989]

Just like XIII lol. They were like: "hey, people didn't understand wtf was going on, let's add gods, apocalipse, alternate dimensions and time travel"

[@arielgomes7989]

@Grima the Fell Dragon XIII-2 is the best of the trilogy imo. If you haven't played the first, a lot will ride on what you think of the combat. I personally like it, but a lot of people don't. But yeah, if you don't take the story seriously, there's fun to be had.

[@TheJbrown60]

fuck yes

[@gabriel1802x]

Ff7 remake: collective meltdown Re3 remake: collective letdown Press F for re3

[@furious_malic7808]

Eu jogo video game F

[@mikeamarilio]

OG RE3 is why I hobbled myself a bit deliberately when playing Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3. Nemesis / Wesker / Virgil was not top tier, but it was fun / fan service as hell

[@SaberRexZealot]

Oh come on. The negativity surrounding REmake 3 is sensationalized. The game’s fine. It just needed more content or a reduced price. There are way worse games out there.

[@jb0258]

Tbh I'd rather it be this way, rather than the other way around

[@sleepingforest3979]

I would at least say that Final Fantasy 7 remake did a whole lot better than Resident Evil 3 remake Dear God it was bad.

[@PirateKingBoros]

I think we can all agree they should have called this game: "Final Fantasy 7.77 You Can [not] Remake"

[@demi-fiendoftime3825]

TRUTH!!!

[@TKUltra971]

if my rammed my head into my desk any more after playing this game.... franky... id need a new desk..

[@TheTendouSouji87]

Cyber Console wolf um they actually took over and redid the models all over so, it’s why it got delayed in the 1st place, so it’s not that they were slow it’s more like they decided a couple of years into production to take it in house and restart the code.

[@TheTendouSouji87]

Cyber Console wolf they reworked it as their choice I think to be closer to a certain ascetic they announced it themselves years ago

[@TheTendouSouji87]

Cyber Console wolf also Um correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t a certain director wait til after a certain 3 part of a series was done to get serious about the remake.....

[@DeadwingDork]

The game is essentially a direct sequel to FF7 which simply happens to have the subtitle "Remake" genius kojumbo

[@parcival3016]

I think the idea of Remake being the subtitle is genius, Nomura is on crack but it’s working. I am hoping that each part would have a different “re” subtitle, with the conclusion ending on “Final Fantasy VII: Reunion” and it would hopefully be released in 2027 on the 30th anniversary of the original release. FFVII is my favorite game of all time, and remake is an amazing set up with plenty of potential

[@Gigamokin]

@@parcival3016 nah, what a waste of a remake this was, nonsensical tima travel and parallel dimension garbage is not interesting in the slightest, it's all shiny graphics and nothing else, if this didn't have the FF7 name it would be dismissed as the trite that it is.

[@parcival3016]

@@Gigamokin It’s because it’s FFVII that it’s able to build on the prestablished world and rules set within it. On top of that, i think if it’s just all shiny graphics i don’t think it would have had the commercial success that it had, and have sparked as many conversations and debates as it has. At the end of the day, idk you’re relationship with FFVII but it’s my favorite game of all time and i think an expansion to the world and the characters so many people grew to love with the opportunity of seeing so many of the what ifs fans had growing up playing the game sparks a lot of excitement for a lot of people. If you’re not the biggest fan of FFVII and you don’t like the story then i have to respect that bc it’s your opinion, but i don’t think it’s right to just try to write the remake off as “garbage” when so many people have been very accepting and infatuated with the characters, the world, and the overarching story that’s being presented on a grander scale. But to each there own ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@Gigamokin]

@@parcival3016 Rules? Waht rules? there are no rules anymore, characters revive for no reason, time travel and dimension plot lines that were never even stablished to be possbile, if anything is a complete rewrite of the rules. It's in my top 3 favorite games ever, it's because of that that I care, and it's becasue I care that I see how they butchered the orginal story with fanfiction tier writing, it's those who are blinded by shiny graphics and "surprise and subversion" that I question if they ever even cared about the orginal story in the first place. Nostalgia can only account for so much, being exceited is undertandable, being dissapointed should be too, some people want to pretend it was worth it to keep the illusion, it wasn't.

[@parcival3016]

@@Gigamokin There are definitely some questionable things, but to me that’s okay because the way it’s going, you can still enjoy the original in a self contained story in its original form. FFVIIR is cool because it’s not changing anything about the original, nothing is retconned, nothing is changed, the story of FFVIIR is completely separate from the story of the original, Nomura and his team are just building on top of the original instead of tearing it down and trying to build over it. Which i think a lot of people were nervous about going into the release

[@xanderwilliams6767]

Remounting Romeo & Juliet is a task undertaken knowing that the audience already knows what’s going to happen. It doesn’t compel the director to change the ending for novelty’s sake. The story is not less interesting because we already know what happens.

[@TheBlindmarvin]

Egg. Zactly. Well said 👏🏻

[@WickedAnimeTroll]

While I do not like how they pulled a meta commentary/subversion BS with the remake, I really like the point you make that because the remake did that, it made the original more relevant than ever. If you want to experience FF7 the same way people did in the last 23 years, they have to play the original. The remake cannot be used as a substitute for the original

[@Jose-se9pu]

Its a sequel, not a remake. I think that is cool, but they sold the game as a remake, not a sequel.

[@Ramsey276one]

Now wait until someone remakes ALL FF7 PS1 CUTSCENES AND STORY MOMENTS IN A HD 3D MOVIE THEN EVERYONE IS HAPPY

[@Rafael-rn6hn]

I'm sorry, but that's honestly a very silly take. It was marketed as a remake and bought as a remake. People wanted a remake. Now you're saying "Wow, Squenix so clever for not giving us a remake. Let me interpret their deception as an intentional pseudo-intellectual subversion to make a meta-commentary about remakes." That's just confirmation bias, you seeing what you want to see. Even if you were right, it'd still not change the fundamental facts I mentioned above. If they wanted to "make that statement", they could've just said it and told people "we're not doing a remake". This just comes across as mental gymnastics to praise a company you're a fan of.

[@tarutso]

@@Rafael-rn6hn Lol... think thru what you're saying coz it's honestly very silly "If they wanted to subvert our expectations they should've just said so in the beginning!!" lolol If your issue is one of potential misleading advertising, then sure let's talk about that, but you'll need very specific examples because even from early dev interviews to the description on the box itself, it seems they delivered what they promised. A retelling of the Midgar section of the original nearly beat-for-beat (reactor bombings > Aerith > wall market > shinra building > highway escape), and not only fleshed and expanded on that main story but added something at the end Here's the 'fundamentals'. If someone bought the game under the pretense that this would be a 1-to-1 remake of the original's plot, and then saw the new direction the game is taking at the end, and was pleasantly surprised and excited by the prospect of something new (gasp) and not rehashing the same old shit like all other nostalgia-farming, no-risk, cash grab remakes - then yes, OP's take is not a silly one at all, but an open-minded one that reflects the characteristics of someone who is open to fresh ideas

[@star_toast]

@@Jose-se9pu That's because it's not a sequel since it clearly takes place in a different timeline from the original. And before you say it no, there's zero confirmation that Sephiroth in this game is from Advent Children or that time traveling is even a thing in this games story.

[@kingofthesharks]

Basically, it's "Remake" the verb, not "remake" the noun. So the title still stands....albeit in a trollish manner :P

[@louisvictor3473]

If it is the verb, it would have to be FFVII Remade. As you're suggesting it is just a grammatical error.

[@kingofthesharks]

@@louisvictor3473 separate from the "final fantasy vii " part as the logo suggests. Same as "the lord of the rings: the two towers" .....separate the sub title and you can write anything, noun, verb, etc. In any case, the action of "remaking" FFVii comes down to the ending events. The game is basically "remake" the noun until the destruction of fate.

[@blacknoise]

Louis Victor nah, if you’re getting into details, “remake” still stands as the infinitive version of the verb.

[@blacknoise]

Also the imperative.

[@TheTendouSouji87]

So should we by many of this insane arguments change the names of the new Resident Evil games from remake too because the gameplay is sorta the same but not shot for shot like most seem to be expecting, if you want that go play the remasters......

[@AL2009man]

8:18 "FF7 Remake has become the gaming industry's The Last Jedi" Neil Druckmann: "Are you sure about that?"

[@allmensland2106]

Oh wow, was it really that badly received?

[@RIELTURO]

@@allmensland2106 by most older fans yes. It's not even the same story and it's childish. It felt like I'm playing a childish FF7 version with KH elements. They also censored the gore from the original and made the characters sounds like gringe anime. The gameplay is fun but I got bored with the game after the plate fallout. The pace is so slow just to justify a separate release plus long corridors hidden loadings. ( Cloud is forced to either walk slowly or crawl under something).

[@toad1863]

@@RIELTURO you don't know how they sounded in the original. It wasn't voiced... as for the violence sure I guess but I meen it's ff not manhunt it's not like the violence is the selling point. And I don't get how it is childish. As for the ending I can get why people don't like it but hey I love it but I'm a huge kingdom hearts fan so by now I knew that with Nomura as director there was no way it was just gonna be the same game. All the titles to his games are the way they are for a very specific reason.

[@RIELTURO]

@@toad1863 it's not the violence the issue. But the censorship of a major scene of the scenario. You wake up to find a massacre made by Sephiroth. Until now you only heard his name in the original game and the first thing you see done by him is a massacre of the Shinra employees. And how it sounds childish well by the end you know all the group is always cheering themselves up with thumps up and things they say just sound childish. The original didn't had this feel.

[@toad1863]

@@RIELTURO feel is subjective, and it is unfortunate that it didn't land for you in the same way as before. For me personally nothing they could do would make it work a second time around. I can't remember if there was specific dialog in the original game that transitions the mood of the party gradually from one scene to the next, but with modern design it's commonplace to have small talk in-between scenes so if anything for me the new dialog in-between scenes create a better sence of continuity. In the original it was kinda up to your interpretation. But hey atleast the original is still there if you prefer it which is more than you can say for some companies.

[@ArtistMarkFlynn]

Great video dude! They definitely would've got hate for titling it Re:Make though 😂

[@RangerNationDubs]

As someone who didnt play the old FF7, this is my first FF game iv owned and the 3rd I played. I didnt need anything explained.I just used context clues to figure out what i needed too in game.Never even needing a video or anything. But this is a sequel to FF7 definitely.

[@resetbutton7982]

So we should have worded it differently when we asked for a “remake”?

[@eyesburning]

We should have asked for a remaster ;)

[@dream6562]

But we already have the remaster

[@slutwagon4270]

@@eyesburning no play the original

[@GeekTheGecko]

@@eyesburning remaster means upscaling the graphics. it is not a remake. if you look for a perfect remake, look REmake

[@Gigamokin]

@@GeekTheGecko If it doesn't have time traveling Wesker opening portals to parallel dimensions is not a good remake.