FFXIV: Endwalker: Rogue/Ninja 1 to 90 Leveling Skills Guide

Patch 6.1: MAJOR changes. Trick Attack now only benefit the Ninja themselves. Trick Attack's Party-wide damage up has been moved to Mug. Other misc changes. PREPULL DOTON IS DEAD.
New? Got too many skills? Made the mistake of using a level skip and have no idea what anything does? Just hate reading? Try this guide out!
This guide seeks to teach new Ninjas how to Ninja properly, without getting too deep into optimization. I'll be showing off and explaining some openers but not delving too much deeper beyond that and general skill usage. Endgame is a long way away and there's lots to learn along the way. Start slow and work your way up one skill at a time! Then, graduate to more advanced guides.
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Melee Role Actions Guide: • FFXIV: Endwalker Melee...
Guide to my HUD: • Explaining My HUD and ...
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Timestamps:
Intro: 0:00
Playstyle Summary: 2:01
Class Unlock: 2:49
L1. Spinning Edge: 3:08
L2. Shade Shift: 3:18
L4. Gust Slash: 4:07
Role Actions: Second Wind and Leg Sweep: 4:38
L10. Hide: 4:57
Role Action: Bloodbath: 5:54
L14. All Fours: 5:58
L15. Mug: 6:16
L15. Throwing Dagger: 7:00
L18. Trick Attack: 8:11
L20. Fleet of Foot: 9:33
Role Action: Feint: 10:00
L26. Aeolian Edge: 10:04
Job Requirements: 10:39
L30. Ten, Ninjutsu, and Fuma Shuriken: 10:53
Role Action: Arm's Length: 15:02
L35. Chi, Raiton, and Katon: 15:06
L38. Death Blossom: 17:01
L40. Assassinate: 17:36
L40. Shukuchi: 18:02
L45. Jin, Hyoton, Huton, Doton, and Suiton: 19:01
L18. Trick Attack Part 2: 24:40
Ninjutsu as a whole in ARR: 25:29
Role Action: True North: 26:30
L50. Kassatsu: 26:35
L50. Opener: 27:44
L52. Hakke Mujinsatsu: 32:10
L54. Armor Crush: 32:44
L56. Adept Assassination and Dream Within a Dream: 33:49
L60. Huraijin: 34:24
L62: Shukiho 35:32
L62: Hellfrog Medium: 36:11
L64: Enhanced Shukuchi: 36:44
L66: Enhanced Mug: 37:36
L68: Bhavacakra: 37:54
L70: Ten Chi Jin (TCJ): 38:33
L70. Opener: 41:37
A note about AoE "Openers": 44:14
L72. Meisui: 45:19
L74. Enhanced Shukuchi II: 46:33
L76. Enhanced Kassatsu, Gokka Mekkyaku, and Hyosho Ranryu: 47:12
L78. Shukiho II: 48:33
L80. Bunshin: 48:54
L80. Opener: 50:34
L82. Phantom Kamaitachi: 53:26
L84. Shukiho III and Melee Mastery: 54:53
L86. Hollow Nozuchi: 55:43
L88. Enhanced Meisui: 56:25
L90. Enhanced Raiton, Forked Raiju, and Fleeting Raiju: 56:48
L90. Opener: 58:44
Outro: 1:02:39
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[@WeskAlber]

READ THE DESCRIPTION. I said to do it in the video itself too, and there's been changes.

[@StriderZessei]

I love how for all the changes, the opening really hasn't changed much at 90.

[@rickyjones4475]

@@StriderZessei 😊The

[@TintagelEmrys]

I assume they didn't rework Ninja too much in 6.2 then?

[@WilburTheGnome]

Instructions unclear used Doton on no targets.

[@desubysnusnu]

Just got a sprout tank who thought my doton was mob's AoE so they kept running way. I wasn't even mad it was adorable 😂

[@granzedora]

Same happened to me 😂

[@Castersvarog]

There was a change that makes using Shukuchi much, much easier. In character configuration under the target option you can see ‘Limit ring movement to targeting range’ this prevents the target reticle from moving beyond its 20 yalm cap. It’s so useful and makes the skill way easier to use

[@WeskAlber]

I FORGOT ABOUT THISSSSSSSS I don't use it cuz I do weird choices with my placement skills but yeah. This is SUPER important for your average player to know

[@marcochen2307]

Also that you can turn on the option to double click the ability key to fast cast on mouseover position since endwalker.

[@bizw]

if you also macro it as /ac Shukuchi gtoff with the limit ring movement, it will cast without having to press the button again

[@hellfrozenphoenix13]

I love you guys. I'm turning this on asap (been a pain placing my star as an AST. These would help so much with that!)

[@blackmagekongs2588]

I can attest that this made any marker placement abilities so much easier to use.

[@ShermTank7272]

I've said it before but I'll say it again, the "karaoke opener" is brilliant. Makes it clear what the tempo of the opener is, especially for the faster jobs like Ninja, Monk, and Samurai

[@Veishan]

"This is weaker than Raiton. This is weaker than Raiton. This is weaker than Raiton. This is weaker than Raiton. This has ALWAYS been weaker than Raiton."

[@KeaneKamina]

As a Ninja main that has cleared all current Savage content, I give this guide a 10/10 for people getting into the job! Great presentation and all the information has value. I might have honestly missed this tip in the video, so forgive me if I'm repeating anything you've covered but for those that have watched this guide and wonder how to go from post opener to your next trick attack etc, here are some just general tips: 1 - Always Use Bunshin on cooldown after you see it's first use in the opener in the video above. Also, when you unlock Phantom Kamaitachi, you can save it for your next trick attack 99.9% of the time, so after you Bunshin, just hang onto it and use it like you do in the opener. 2 - While prepping for your next trick, make sure to not overcap your Ninki. You'll get a feel later on when to save more of it during which trick attack you do but holding onto it just overcaps what could have been another skill used later on. 3 - Your Mudras come back every 20 seconds so it's a good idea to use Suiton to prep Trick around 20 seconds before you need to use it to keep from potentially overcapping mudra charges. You have wiggle room here so don't worry about it too much at the start. There are more advanced things later but with this amazing guide and keeping in mind the flow from 1 trick to the next, you'll be the next Hokage. Believe it.

[@WeskAlber]

Thank you for the kind words! Yeah, I hate making it so long but it's so hard to cut things for even informing proper usage on a basic level. 1 and 2. I did mention both of these! But given how dense the vid is, worth restating. 3. This I did not mention I believe! So thank you for bringing it up. It's another thing you get the feel of for sure as you practice going through with 60s+ encounters

[@Kate-ms2mn]

Is tough though, mug comes up right after the Bunshin phase where there's hectic ninki, then you have a couple of seconds, during which the annoying boss is casting Experimental Fireplume, so you have to be focussed on mugging, kassatsuing, attacking, bhavakakraing then trick attacking all while the fireplume, the brand and the searing breeze :'(

[@undercoverspy123]

@@Kate-ms2mn I feel this struggle but we can do it! and when you do all that while moving you feel like a machine :)

[@kubasliwa204]

Your "Watch as you go from this... to THIS" are getting better every video

[@WeskAlber]

You'll love the next one then

[@o7yousoro824]

I just want to say, Ninja still retains the same rotation due to the fact that Mug is a 20s duration debuff. This means that it is still weaved in the first gcd of your rotation, the burst window of a NIN is around 15 seconds, basically when trick is applied. By the time the debuff of Mug reaches 15s trick attack would have been applied to the enemy and both debuffs will be at around the same time (maybe mug will be at 14s and trick at 15s). Rotation stays the same and this guide is as useful as ever, to those watching this guide, this guide helped me in my NIN rotation and I hope it helps others too, tysm WeskAlber!

[@WeskAlber]

Yeah I have been expecting EXACTLY THIS from the beginning. I do however feel like I will update for 6.2 since according to the devs, they might be doing further overhauls for NIN, SAM, and DRG for 6.2. Plus also THEY FUCKING FINALLY KILLED SINGLE TARGET DOTON THANK CHRIST

[@o7yousoro824]

@@WeskAlber Oh shit if they do any overhauls I can't wait to see your video on it if the change is drastic, so glad single target doton is dead tho finally LMAO. Anyway, keep up the great work! Appreciate your content as always!

[@Adloquiem]

Thank you so much !

[@EternaltheGrey]

The best part about early ROG is that the kit might be dull mechanically (like every other early class) but it LOOKS super cool with all the flippydippy shit, which is something most other classes don't have. That... and Captain Jacke is hilarious. Strange to give so much grief to Throwing Dagger though. Up through most of Stormblood you're spending enough time avoiding boss-centered AOEs while learning mechanics that you can easily sprinkle in a couple between mudra CDs when out of melee range and still waiting on a charge.

[@Nancy-ff5tr]

Honestly i miss Jacke and gang so much, the quests were genuinely entertaining

[@EternaltheGrey]

@@Nancy-ff5tr It felt to me like the devs knew they had quality characters on tap, and honestly tried to keep the Rogues as involved in the NIN quests as they could. They did miss a trick with the shinobi though- Tsubame (Swallow) should have been named Suzume (Sparrow). That way, we could introduce her to the Rogues: "This is Captain Jacke, Sparrow" :3

[@Nancy-ff5tr]

@@EternaltheGrey lmao YES that would be brilliant!

[@remjoleea5560]

Me: *is a simple scholar watching because I like learning about different roles* Wesk: *goes over all the ARR and HW skills* Me: wow I can see how this job is super difficult! Wesk: Stormblood is where it gets far more complex. Me: uwawawawawawhat

[@joeyfromanimalcrossing]

number 1 reason i switched melee jobs LOL

[@mattguxxxtt9629]

a very intimidating class to play but it’s fun learning and getting better. great vid as always

[@eduardopena4388]

Thank you so much for this video. I was struggling to figure out how I should fit the raijus in the TA window and you cleared it up!

[@RasenRendanX]

At long last it's finally here. The guide for my main. Ur old NIN guide was the first video I ever watched on your channel Thanks once again for your hard work

[@randy5301]

You keep reading my mind!!! This is the guide I have really wanted since I recently got nin into the 50s and its been one of the most fun and enjoyable jobs to play for me so far!! It’s very exciting to see you release a video for it 🖤🖤 thank you so much

[@ShariqAnsari]

Been flexing over to NIN from BRD in my FC while we farm current EX trials. I had a decent understanding of NIN but this guide (like all your others), really gives a comprehensive look at the job. Excellent work as always, I learned a lot.

[@arjunsubrahmanian7535]

Damn the Karaoke Opener was legendary! Also hearing it being said that fast gives me an understanding of the speed and also made it more clear for me. Thanks a lot, Wesk! I'm new to playing NIN and this is beyond helpful! :D

[@Cassapphic]

The one hat viera actually CAN wear is the ninja bunny which is a power move

[@neilhauk5138]

New to FFIV. Found your videos today and been binging them. Excellent guides! Thank you

[@surge8173]

Just wanted to say that i’ve been watching your guides since I started playing 4 years ago, and I have watched this ninja guide all the way through like 8 different times but last night something finally click and I now understand the whole ten chi jin combination, thank you 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾

[@Ninjanades]

thanks for doing all of these videos! the openers you recommend are really great!

[@AgentSilv]

Excellent! Was actually leveling up Ninja fairly recently so this'll help a lot

[@SinHurr]

/micin Shikuchi /merror off /ac Shikuchi /ac Shikuchi /ac Shikuchi Will move to mouse over object first, selected target if no mouse over is present, or bring up the area selector if no mouse or target is selected. I think.

[@seriodenoyarohi7403]

A bit of Feedback: - For Shukuchi and similar abilities I think it is worth it to take the time and go over the settings which limit your curser to the range of the skill and the option to activate the skill by pressing the button again. - I think for the Ninjutsu it would have been great if you the relevant part of your cheat sheet in addition to saying the combination. Having only the names can be quite confusing for new players and skipping back and forth in a video is never fun. Otherwise a great video. After being more than a bit puzzled from the EW tooltips at launch I said to myself that I will level the class later (meaning after you made a video explaining them). It now seems really straight forward and I think I am exicted to play Lv. 90 NIN!

[@matthewdylla6090]

I love that I was already using my mudra the "optimized" way xD but thanks so much this was so much clarity on what I was already thinking was right but wasn't quite panning out with random groups and my own doubts in higher end content.

[@rahulrachamadugu9098]

Really good video. Especially helpful as I plan main on ninja. But also wanted try samurai. Eagerly waiting for leveling video on that.

[@ArtaShrike]

HA Okay. I’m not going to spoil the opening joke. But it had me laughing, well played good sir

[@wil-3654]

You're awesome. Keep up the good work. I know these videos take a lot of effort and time.

[@jazmine338]

Omg that Shukuchi macro is genius thanks so much!! Your videos are always so helpful🥹

[@Valkerion]

Great video~ NIN is my main and its a weirdly intimidating DPS job. It has to do so much that its overwhelming at first but once you get a flow/your own pace its hard to not enjoy.

[@SammyRebbo]

My NIN is 90 and I feel like I do fine on it but having a primer like this is always nice, thanks WeskAlber!

[@kosbebot6360]

Just started leveling my rogue. Thanks!

[@Darkorb44]

Thanks for all your guides!

[@TankyCrobat]

Also one more thing to add that's great for leveling pulls.... If you use Ninjutsu to create a doton and immediately use a shukuchi, you will actually pull the doton pool with you to a mob pack. Very minimal if you want to get the cd rolling on your ninjutsu during trash pulls sooner and making you less vulnerable in case you need to avoid AOEs, but it's a 10/10 for style points.

[@Hugo-MTX96]

bruh amazing thanks

[@raarasunai4896]

Wait, what? I wanna see this now 😂

[@WhoGuyThat]

Sprout here, only scratching the service of HW but these guides have helped me so much! Was playing Dragoon for a while until I picked up ninja a couple of days ago, thanks so much!

[@RacoonHand]

It’s like you knew I picked up Ninja a week ago and had a panic attack trying to learn the job and needed help. Well played Sir

[@palamedes4740]

56:08 I saw that. Well done sir.

[@WeskAlber]

You might be the first to mention it

[@kayatsa]

tysm for this. i'm almost lv 70 (sprout) and my dumbass did not realize that hide resets the mudra cds xD i'll def keep coming back to this vid every now and then as i progress

[@saintastaroth5820]

This guides a huge help, bought a job skip for NIN since I've leveled every other melee DPS and I knew I would not like this job and oh boy is this job way too busy

[@repththemant9691]

Out of all the jobs i've played, ninja is the one i most needed a vid for, thank you

[@drewtodd1853]

This is pure gold. Thank you!

[@Flummoxy]

Thank you for these videos. Without them a FFXIV newbie honestly would have been so lost. Looking forward to see if you add a Post 6.1 for Ninja ^^

[@WeskAlber]

I did in the description

[@Flummoxy]

@@WeskAlber Ahhh so those were the only real changes from post patch. Thanks for clarifying! Really do appreciate these videos they make playing FFXIV much less daunting for us newer players :)

[@King_Ekolin]

So great. Loved it. Thank you

[@a.j4188]

Wake up Babe, new Wesk Alber video just dropped

[@Jontae4288]

Thanks bro awesome guide

[@Antieeverything]

HOLY MOLY, I considered myself to be a decent ninja player, and then you said that hide resets my mudras, and that completely shattered that image of myself. Thank you for making this guide, this helped me a lot just because of that one tip

[@vorg858]

I hope your new guides, get more views and likes than your previous shadowbringer guides!

[@NELzane9999]

Great Guide, actually ATM Ninja is my most favourite melee dps job in the game 😎

[@ladyellen7993]

Nice, nin was gonna be the next job I level

[@m-zero3146]

just trying last night as I read comments + this video Shukuchi description if setting macro and use macro Shukuchi instead of normal Shukuchi, it makes life a lot easier (special thanks to reddit suggestion from many years ago) /macroicon "Shukuchi" /ac "Shukuchi" /action "Shukuchi" This will make ninja able to Shukuchi to target (and if there is no target select, it will be on click) Combined with party select hotkeys (mine is F1-F8), ninja can jump to party member for dodging boss AoE or can be a gap closer to the boss when select the boss (mine is Tab) at the instant Basically, I will become Sage's Icarus

[@iaxacs3801]

One question I have: Why don't they just make Shukuchi like Dancer's Dash skill or at least the option to use it as such. The ground targeting sounds nice in theory but (and this is especially on controller where you have to fumble weirdly with trigger pressing) it feels like it fails to meet the purpose which is a quick movement option. I need the split second rapid movement and the point and click adventure slows the reaction timing down to make it feel useless. It feels very counter-productive to the function of a quick movement ability. Am I not understanding something about the skill?

[@k2k4]

Reminds me why I was thinking of switching to nin from rdm. Jutsu are too good, the complexity is there, and it's so satisfying.

[@TankyCrobat]

23:04 I remember back when hearing people say this, I thought it was a meme. But I've seen this in action way more than I should. I hope those SIngle target doton users see this.

[@raarasunai4896]

Okay, that opening gag was pretty funny

[@Hidden_amidst_leaves]

Fam the intro, lmao!!! I appreciate this

[@blayzee3]

Hello! Love your vids! Any plans on making an updated SAM leveling guide? 🙂🙏

[@WeskAlber]

every job

[@zenith4145]

Amazing guide keep it up!

[@cicisstormshelter1076]

I was expecting a super flashy battle sequence but instead you just did Lagomorph again and a bunny boy leapt out. XD Great video. I'm actually going to make Yoshimitsu my first Zodiac relic because I'm already further on the path with Ninja than any other. (Just finished my third Animus weapon, Thyrus, and need a break. The animus step takes two full days because of the random spawns of FATEs. :()

[@Lancun]

Now that Endwalker's opening hype congestion is over, look into server hopping around. Oftentimes if your zone doesn't have a particular FATE up, odds are a different one on your Data Center will have it. The only exception is that Escort Quest in Upper La Noscea, Surprise. You basically need to camp that one because of how quickly it will fail.

[@cicisstormshelter1076]

@@Lancun Thanks for the tip! Actually gonna chill my heals on Zodiac relics right now as I need to replenish my leve allowances(dropped to 35 just from three weapons) and I'm at the part where you have to craft specific perfect items and not all of my craters are Level 50. :| (And yes, I know you can buy the items, but they cost over 65 thousand girl a pop.)

[@HawkeScream]

Thank you thank you thank you!

[@juanignaciogonzalezcarrasc3754]

Which one is next? I'm really looking forward to dragoon and/or dark knight. Keep up the good work!

[@WeskAlber]

BRD, AST, PLD, RDM

[@kaidaw6546]

I was not ready for that beginning when a literal viera dropped on screen XDDD

[@Brawneteer]

Why is Hollow Nozuchi listed as an "Ability" and not a "Trait"? You don't have a dedicated button to activate it, it just activates automatically when using your AoE stuff.

[@DominoPivot]

Don't worry they said, this is a guide for beginners and not too optimized they said. Just start your fights with this simple sequence of... 38 actions 🙃 Jokes aside, this was a pretty helpful video. I feel like the job quests really didn't teach me anything once I unlocked Jin, so I knew I had to relearn the job before getting into 8-player duties.

[@chaos_blue1089]

SINGLE TARGET DOTON IS DEAD ok it was dead but like there's more nails in the coffin now where was I going with this-

[@AshTreeDweller]

People are mad about this, I have no idea why.

[@HeartPliz]

Idk if mug was Updated to be a class quests, but I dont have it and im level 26 or whatever level you unlock the third hit of ur ST combo. But yes. Thanks for ur comprehensive guides.

[@WeskAlber]

Yes, do your class quests always.

[@itsyrgirl]

if you are gonna do an updated NIN video, i have to say this now: the "c" in bhavacakra is pronounced "ch". it's bhavaCHAKRA. word's sanskrit in origin; there's a reasonably good pronunciation guide by "How To Say" that shows up at the top of the YT search for "bhavacakra pronunciation." i don't know why it's transliterated this way (extremely not your fault for not knowing), but i'm indian so it's stood out to me and i thought i'd let you know! ty as always for the guides; they've brought me through a ton of this game and definitely made me far more competent at this game than i would've been otherwise.

[@itsyrgirl]

@The Trolley Dude no lecture, dog, and no need for this hostility either. just a tip from a fan

[@Halsyan]

Tysm!

[@IgorRodrigues-oi3ro]

Oh no, just got hit by a legendary Viera joke rotation in 1 minute of video.

[@bradleyjohn111]

Great video, I've watched all of them over the last year I've been playing and I play every job now, none at an optimal level though until I pick one for savage content. They have been a big help and there is no job I don't enjoy playing. Wonder if anyone can clarify something for me. Towards the end of the video, it's mentioned quote (not entirely direct) that "Mudras aren't used outside of openers". Given the obvious exceptions like Suiton into trick attack, what does this mean in principle? Does this mean that Raiton is a dps loss compared to your regular melee combo, or is it that we're just trying to make use of the charge mechanic that Mudra have, and we shouldn't let Mudra cap? I tried looking at the relevant parts of the video to see if this was covered and also did some googling, but couldn't find anywhere where this is covered, or I missed it.

[@bradleyjohn111]

Ah, think I've answered my own question within this comment - Mudra should be used during your trick attack window for optimal burst. For some reason I've been applying this rule around burst windows to every class, but not to Ninja.

[@WeskAlber]

@@bradleyjohn111 correct. Burst. The only reasons you might Mudra outside of burst is for being truly out of range to do a melee attack or otherwise fight based reasons

[@loliking2763]

I did a random draw on the class book I'll be buying this time in conjunction with my white mage and it landed on ninja so now the research begins

[@tacotuesdays3336]

You are also having to do that extra gcd before raiton in your openers because you ideally prep suiton 6 seconds before a pull of course this can't always happen in dungeons

[@VampguyN85]

I need a refresh before moogle tomes, so I came here. I mained nin, through SHB, than felt like a change when EW came out, and I played whm through the story. So now I have Whm and Rdm mains at 90, brd is 90, and nin and war were left at 80. So I'm going back to them after at least a year since I've played them, so I can get the role quests at 85. But at 80 my nin was proud to be the last one standing in Eden Verse, Inundation. Sadly, I did not have the self heals to sustain and finish the fight for the raid on my own, but I got pretty close.

[@arf101088]

i find that using self-defensive abilities are only really most effective in the case of avoidable/conditional damage. if everyone is taking damage, then the healer will already be focusing on healing everyone equally. if you will be taking damage by yourself, or if you'll be taking more damage than everyone else in a raidwide (like vuln stacks or overlapping spread aoes) then second wind, bloodbath, and specifically shade shift are more likely to put you over more damage thresholds, preventing you from dying more often. or at least, requiring less resources/gcds from healers.

[@WeskAlber]

Far from accurate. Not everyone takes damage equally. Damage variance is a thing as are the defensive stats and HP values. In the most extreme of cases, Ultimate shows this off well in that unavoidable damage is also a good place to be using all your free healing.

[@arf101088]

goddamn you respond to comments fast.. do you read all the dumb shit i post here?

[@DrunkenGuitarGuy]

i just started and leveled one of these! not caring for it though! should have watched this first! i want to try astrologian for a healer so trying to get through the first part of the story to get to that but its been painful! i am new, not loving the class and i'm terrible! LOL! dreading the 24 i have to do now! : (

[@i.ftekhar]

Question, do people generally use kassatsu during dungeon pulls, given that it messes with the raid buff timers. I suppose if you know a boss is soon then hold off on It? But is there a general standard of practice for how to use cool downs on aoe?

[@WeskAlber]

There's no raid buff timers in dungeons. You use everything in trash pulls. Trash is more important than bosses and always will be

[@TheKarishi]

Just curious: Why doesn't NIN use Mug between Spinning Edge and Gust Slash in the opener? Even if the optimal is to pot there, can't you double-weave potion-mug there and have your fallback be simpler? Or are party buffs starting to come out during that window so Mug just does extra damage worth the delay? Genuinely trying to know the logic behind it so I can improve.

[@kubasliwa204]

You can't double weave your pot with anything without some serious clipping. Items don't work the same way as oGCD skills in regards to weaving.

[@WeskAlber]

Like kubasliwa said, potions cannot be weaved well. They are a double weave all on their own. Similar to DRG jumps, their animations are just that long and can't be cut short

[@Calvados656]

... You upgraded a rabbit hat to a bunboy... Excellent.

[@shadowking2926]

Ok, that opening was hilarious.

[@DantoriusD]

Even since ShB i still dont get it why they upgrade Hyoton instead of Raiton for the Kassatsu Upgrade. Its a Skill no one uses and where the Muscle Memory is complete lost for it. But as soon as someone hits 76 he have to regain his Memory for this Skill. Anyway awesome Video like always. Didnt touched the NIN since ShB launch and only leveled him to 80 for the completion. The EW changes specially with assassinate are really nice though. Maybe i check the NIN after i finished my RPR to 90 (also thx to your really nice Guide for it)

[@WeskAlber]

So that Hyoton isn't worthless. I do actually like it's an upgrade to Hyoton. Makes the rotation more than just the same buttons always

[@DantoriusD]

@@WeskAlber but for me i think its just bad Gamedesign when you get a Skill and complete ignore it for 30 Levels. Just make it a 60 second 40 Potency Dot on Single Target. It wouldnt change that much and instead you would already learn to use the Tech on Kassatsu because that would make the Dot Stronger than a Kassatsu Raiton.

[@grantcactus9973]

Been looking forward to this guide, just hit level 45 on Ninja and got the third mudra and hadn’t had a chance to test all the ninjitsu out and memorize the inputs for them all yet so this will be a big help Also feel very stupid for not knowing about hide recharging mudra cuz I’ve done so much MSQ as ninja with no idea about that

[@mugetsu9393]

newbie here, in regards to the changes made to MUG and trick attack, do they still have the same position in the opener or do they switch places now? sorry if this is a stupid question >.< im guilty of doton on bosses ngl, i always saw that skill as a DOT wich adds extra dmg over time, until someone in my party was so friendly to spam me with, dont use doton on single targets in full caps lol

[@WeskAlber]

No, there are no changes, as there was no reason to change it

[@turntapeover5749]

On controller I like to place my mudra as if they are Street Fighter moves. Like one move is Hadoken, one is reverse Hadoken, one is screen charge, etc etc.

[@KingRabid]

i always did shockoochi manually.. it just becomes force of habit after playing NIN since it came out. when i first heard ppl were doing the mouseover macro i kept saying "ya, im gonna look into that asap" ..right 'asap' was about.. i think 4 years ago? 😅 haha we'll get there. great vid as always!

[@yeoldpubman]

There's also a couple Character Config settings to "limit ring movement" and "press action twice" that I *highly* recommend turning on for any class. In addition, you can add 'gtoff' to a macro to make ground-targeted skills instantly fire at your cursor, no target required. /ac "Shukuchi" gtoff

[@Hugo-MTX96]

Oh look it's the dude that thinks ninja isnt viable just because of small DPS difference even tho you CAN clear any savage or ultimate with any job. By the by this small DPS difference only matters for speed runners, which guess what most ppl and even most hardcore raiders ARENT GOING NUMNUTS

[@MyLux777]

@@Hugo-MTX96 i mean to be fair you're being just as toxic....

[@Hugo-MTX96]

@@MyLux777 it's warranted he was being a toxic troll anyway. Look for MrDyssonances comment it has like 15 replies and KingRabid being a salty asshole to ppl.

[@Scerttle]

Well, now I know what I want to level next...

[@A.R.T.4]

So since Bunshin is on a 90 CD and used on CD, it'll be 360 seconds before it's available during a major burst window (assuming a fight takes that long), so at level 90 would it be optimal then to do the major opener as normal but replace Bunshin with Bhavacakra and Phantom Kamaitachi with the next weaponskill in sequence, and then carry on as normal (with gust slash at the end instead of spinning edge)?

[@WeskAlber]

You would hold the Bhavacakra until you have Trick Attack running, unless you're about to overcap your Ninki

[@A.R.T.4]

@@WeskAlber oh that makes sense, so a smooth spot to put it then would be after hyosho but before the raiton since normally you have an awkward waiting gap? Since they “took away” assassinate, doing nothing after hyosho felt awkward

[@WeskAlber]

Yeah, you have a short weave window after any Ninjutsu, so putting it there works well if you've used everything else like DWD already. And since you're mostly just spamming Ninjutsu, you don't need to worry about overcap while delaying further

[@MrDyssonance]

I levelled all my melee classes to 90 but was really unhappy with Nin’s dps. I know they recently buffed the potency of the 1-2-3 combo,…but how does Nin fare now? Is it still near the bottom of dps?

[@ShermTank7272]

All jobs are viable in this game. Some are better than others when it comes to high-end optimization, but as long as you and your party meet the required ilvl and do the mechanics right, you should be able to succeed in any content

[@RiketheDangerleo]

Nin was never near the bottom, dunno who told you that. NIN ranges from being Pretty solid to a little over tuned depending on the comp/players. Most of the fights this tier are full uptime and as such trick get insane value. Add to that most classes have a 1 min "off burst" that can land inside of trick and that NIN has some of the highest 2 min burst. It's in a pretty solid spot and is pretty competitive at high end play, but as always if you're not shooting for rank 1 parses/speedkills it doesn't matter, just play whatever you like/ feels good to play.

[@KingRabid]

nin is garbo now. dunno what these ppl are talkin about. its optimal play is based around the 15 sec trick attack window, meaning its a burst dps class. before EW it was right smack in the middle of dps but now its just trash. idk that's my opinion having played it so long. it feels awkward with the extra animation locks and your dps tanks even harder now off TA windows. potencies be damned, it just isnt very good for how complex it is to play. like @SageDRG was saying, except the opposite. it doesnt FEEL good to play anymore. so... trash.

[@WeskAlber]

NIN's great. Good damage, really fun to play, and very smooth. Don't worry about damage output anyway. Dancer was like, bottom tier job choice and yet I still cleared P3S with one.

[@Lamilitin]

@@KingRabid What extra animation lock are you talking about? TCJ is the only animation "lock" that ninja has and even then they can cancel it if needed. With the ninja changes in 6.0.5 forked raiju is only used as a gap closer but I suppose it has the animation lock that every other gap closer has too. If anything, they removed an animation lock by consolidating Assassinate and DWAD into one skill. I will say forcing you to use the Raiju stacks immediately can be frustrating if you accidentally hit another GCD, but it's really not a huge thing to play around. Also ninja will never be the top of DPS simply because trick attack exists and enables your entire party to do more damage on only a 60 sec cd. While ninja is definitely weaker than in previous patches I wouldn't call it "trash".

[@ToastyZooker]

at 1:40 He moves out of the AoE radius, but moves back in when the radius disappears. Does that mean it's safe? Or do you have to wait for the actually animation to go off before moving back in?

[@WeskAlber]

Most aoes with markers are cast bar based. Once circle is gone the damage is already done. Check my mechanics beyond memorization video for more

[@nerdicusdorkum2923]

Yep, so glad I swapped over to monk, aka 'monkey'. They literally only have 1 oGCD attack, and a handful of buffs. Otherwise, it's faceroll your rotations faster and possibly harder then any other class. I might pick ninja back up later, but I think for a while, I am going to keep it on the backburner of classes to keep leveled to my mains of dark knight, scholar/summoner, and monk.

[@GayLPer]

I actually find Monk harder to learn than Ninja

[@SunrisenStar]

Recently i learned that 'only the last mudra used, and how many total, determines what the outcome is'

[@ChaosEdgeshot]

i just started playing ff14 and started with ninja, great guide

[@Wanderingsage7]

Wouldn't using the 'attack and get huuton' be better in the opener than actual huuton'? Great vid by the way

[@WeskAlber]

No, because then you're starting the fight with a deficit. The openers in the video start the battle with 2 Mudra and Huton up. Your suggestion starts the battle with 2 Mudra and NO Huton. You also lose a GCD to put Huton up, and Huraijin is a REALLY weak skill. Huraijin is only for if you drop it mid-fight.

[@ShermTank7272]

Since you set up Huton pre-pull and then reset your mudras with Hide, it's basically "free". The Huton attack is useful if either the boss flies away or you die and drop Huton, but if you use it in the opener itself, you're "wasting" a GCD on it, when you could be using your 1-2-3 combo for more damage

[@Wanderingsage7]

@@WeskAlber fair enough. I'll have to retrain my fingers

[@yeoldpubman]

It's weaker than even Spinning Edge. Minor loss in the grand scheme of things, but there's no reason to waste that pre-pull opportunity.

[@halo25assassin45]

Rest In Peace Shadowfang. You will be missed.

[@WeskAlber]

Mob, why would you like Shadowfang? You wouldn't even be able to play an MMO!

[@turntapeover5749]

Today I learned that a new Viera is born every time Ninja misses their mudra at lvl cap.

[@rogueeBLU]

Ninja on controller is the most fun class next to dragoon on controller

[@slimfastsubaru2043]

is the lvl 80 opener still correct after the changes?

[@galloviking4766]

If you're still confused about TCJ, long story short, it casts Ninjutsu after each Mudra you press.

[@zlRealz]

What do i do after the opener? i hear people say its "free form" after the opener/rotation but im not sure what that means exactly.

[@WeskAlber]

Basically just filler. Make sure you don't overcap Ninki and Ninjutsu, spam 123 combo

[@amiravital5714]

Sorry for the necto-comment, on the lvl 70 opening there's the problem of enemies moving so hitting trick attack/dream withitn/TCG is not possit, which makes themdrifted. Is there a solution?

[@WeskAlber]

Enemies shouldn't be moving. Get better tanks then, because bosses rarely move around that often.

[@OldSpaghettifactory89]

ok I have a 6.1 question, so trick attack is now a self damage buff and mug is old trick attack, gives whole party a damage buff Do the two stack?

[@WeskAlber]

All buffs stack that's the point of doing openers that time with party buffing

[@Sketchblopp]

Damn, that opening line... it hurts hard, as someone with a Viera alt. D: The irony: Haven't tried a Ninja on the Viera myself, but from what I hear, the Ninja rabbit is horribly clipping through the Viera ears. So even with the Ninja rabbit with a hat on the head they don't really get a good looking hat.

[@benquilter3831]

49:10 "Please don't use throwing dagger..." XD