FFXIV Mythbusters #6! Spell Speed on Tanks, Dzemael Darkhold, Vengeance and Arm's Length and More!

[@WeskAlber]

That first one I came to basically the same conclusions. The game is not built to handle multiple counters, so it prioritizes Vengeance. Game wasn't built for a lot of things really.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

That last line seems to be proven true surprisingly often! 😂

[@melimelidh8263]

Love to see you've posting a video about it so soon after we talked about it! :)@@CaetsuChaijiCh

[@SunrisenStar]

i don't think you'd want both effects anyways, slowing thier rate of getting countered by 20%. so use arms and vengeance apart from one another.

[@Splizacular]

Wesk! I got confused for a sec about what video i had clicked on 😂

[@RockR277]

I remember unsynching Dzemael solo many times back in the day to get some of the, at the time, unique armor sets. Learned real quick that there was a difference in terminal countdown time.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

I could imagine! It really drags out when you stand there for that long!

[@miomiomeows]

"Remember everyone, don't *actually* put SpS on your tank gear." I have a friend with a DRK SpS gearset. We did an all-tank run of EW EX1 with her just spamming Unmend. It was incredibly stupid and a very fond memory of mine. (We did clear, btw.)

[@tsbulmer]

Thank you very much for testing the Dzemael Darkhold terminals! I'd been meaning to get around to it but was putting it off, since I'd felt like the terminals didn't all behave the same, and I wasn't looking forward to the tedium of testing them all, and *especially* dragging some friends through it!

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Yeah I can imagine! My recording days very much sometimes include a super random "anyone up to test something?!" and I happen to be lucky enough to be surrounded with people that say sure why not! 😂

[@tsbulmer]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh Sometimes fans are a good thing, huh? :P

[@Cloud7050]

I didn't know the Arm's Length Vengeance interaction at all!! That could explain why I wasn't seeing slow in the past when I expected it. Very good to know :)

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

It's quite a weird interaction and very unintuitive since nothing in the game suggests directly that it works this way! 😊 I'm glad to hear you learned from it! 😁

[@Gloomdrake]

It kinda works out, though, since you prolly wouldn’t want the enemy attacks to be slower if the enemies are taking damage every time they attack you. More enemy attacks = more damage, I think

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

@Gloomdrake that is also true. They kind of have anti synergy in that way!

[@Cloud7050]

​@@Gloomdrake Not really in the case of wanting to use mits for mits' sake. It makes it a waste of the cooldown to overlap Arm's Length, may as well have saved it

[@Gloomdrake]

@@Cloud7050 I’m saying that not overlapping them nets you more damage, if it was possible to overlap them

[@SokiHime]

5: Doom spike Bless you for educating players under guise of "mythbusting". This isn't something terribly complex, but so many people just. Don't think about it.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

It is an incredibly common complaint, so I felt it was justified! 😂

[@knightsolaire5351]

Something of note on doomspike prime-up is that you can prime it before the aoe spam starts while the tank is still pulling! Since you’re unlikely to hit every mob with doom spike while everything is moving since line aoes are dumb, that 10% is a bit more free.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Indeed, this can also still apply even if you can hit some of the mobs with doomspike, as setting up the buff before you can hit everything can give bigger damage once the mobs are all stacked up! 😊

[@knightsolaire5351]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh now if only SE would make mythril tempest actually give gauge instead of a trait in shadowbringers, makes warrior aoe so confusing before you have inner release and it’s my main 💀

[@Cloud7050]

On the topic of DoTs at the end, there's a fake boss "DoT" in T7S, Allagan Venom, that ticks every 1.8s or so. Basically it does a raidwide for each player that still has the debuff

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Looking it up, it appears 2 players will be affected by it, and it does "pulsing raidwide damage". Is there a possibility that the "1.8 seconds or so" you suggest is actually because there are 2 separate 3 second timers that just seem to randomly intermingle and overlap, causing it to appear as if it is a single timer with a somewhat weird ticking interval?🤔

[@Cloud7050]

​@@CaetsuChaijiCh The T7S guides out there are not very accurate, a lot of the knowledge has been lost to time. In the second part of the last phase, the debuff applies to 4 players. I have dozens of hours of footage of the fight, so I'm able to go back and analyse the timings very closely. The raidwides happen in bursts, about 1.8s between the start of each burst. The burst hits based on how many players have the debuff, so it could be 1-4 hits of damage. It's not the debuff itself dealing single target damage, instead it seems to be used as a counter that another mech checks. Therefore group mits like reprisal, addle, feint etc also don't snapshot on these raidwides like how they would for normal DoTs.

[@dazzlemasseur]

Loved this. Love your voice. Appreciate you're so thorough in your verifications.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Thank you so much! That makes me very happy to hear! 😄

[@VardusHjelte]

The Dzemael one was something i thought many knew but not sprouts, so i made it my job to always tell sprouts or first timers that more players cut down the timer

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Yeah, that makes sense! For me, the problem is often people fleeing out of them when the aoe happens, and if everyone does that, it starts over instead 😂

[@Thimaster93]

Esteem's attributes are based on the Dark Knight stats upon summoning. As it counts as another actor, darkside buff doesn't affect him even if kept before his activation, BUT the effects of potions actually buff him if used before his summoning.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Hmm that is quite interesting! I might have to test this particular detail with Tinctures because from prior tests, I only observed that Pets benefit from raid buffs (in real time too, so he loses the buffs when you do of course), and that technically Tinctures would work based on your stats. But I never considered that he checks your stats on summon specifically, which means it matters when you use Tincture! Thank you!

[@renycilfay9773]

Hmm. I'm not sure if this is entirely relevant to the myth busting going on, but I don't personally find it worth it to calculate single target potency in AoE pulls. The reality is that when you use moves that do single target damage to one target out of 6, with the exception of mob packs that have one clearly high-HP mob to target with these damage fall-off or single target abilities, you will just end up killing one out of the 6 earlier and still have to make up for the lost time AoEing the other 5 targets. So a lot of the time it's a situation of "Did you do more *damage?* Yes. But did you also still slow down the run? Also yes." And I find that's particularly important to remember with the dragoon AoE calculations you did in this video. You can technically do more damage and still be slower at clearing mob fights. (Because you effectively "overkill" one mob by doing single target damage and following up with AoE on the remaining targets)

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

This can sometimes be true, however it isn't uncommon for one mob to be healthier than the rest of the pack, in that it simply has more hp. You can also alleviate this by making sure to do the single target damage to different mobs to spread it out, to avoid "over killing" one mob as you suggest 😊 in other words, there are ways to make the single target damage beneficial, and sometimes it is actually quite easy. Again not entirely applicable to the doomspike thing, but in more current dungeons, it is weirdly common to have a few gigantuan mobs that can be difficult to cleave equally with the rest, and pushing some single target damage on them can be helpful 😁 Edit: but in fairness, as you said, might not be the important angle for the particular proof in the video. What I mean by that, is that since I was attempting to demonstrate that disembowel on aoe is not worth it, it is only fair to count every point of potency to give the single target attacks any advantage they can get (just to prove, that it doesn't even matter). If I was trying to prove disembowel was good on aoe, then it might make more sense to take the reverse stance and demonstrate that it still wins without the single target potency if possible (it isn't, but there it would make more sense for this angle I think! 😊)

[@dabK3r]

Wow, I never would have thought that Arm's length + Vengeance work like that. I just never combined them because i didnt wanna have the mobs attack less often into my vengeance because that would be a dps loss xD

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

See that also makes perfectly good sense! 😅

[@Dw7freak]

Maybe because Vengeance is a Warrior/Marauder ability, it is prioritized before Arm's Length, which is just a role ability. In this case, it could be similar to how shield pop in a specific order based on who placed them, as an example, DRK that used TBN on themselves and a SGE that placed Eukrasian Diagnosis and Haima on that DRK, the TBN will always break first. That's another good thing to test: Shield priority. I know that self-TBN is prioritized and Galvanize/Eukrasian Diagnosis breaks before Catalyst/Differential Diagnosis, but what about after or if TBN and other shields on another target? Since there can be as many as 10 shields with 5 party members in a normal party (TBN, Shake It Off, Nascent Flash, Eukrasian Diagnosis, Differential Diagnosis, Haima, Panhaima, Neutral Sect, Celestial Intersection, and Radiant Aegis/Arcane Crest [both are self only]. Can also add Divine Veil and Brutal Shell with the other tanks and Seraphic Veil from SCH's big fairy and Divine Benison from WHM added for 8 party members for 13 different shields that can stack). I would assume it would be TBN > Eukrasian Diagnosis 1 > ???. The reason for this is that TBN and Eukrasian Diagnosis both have secondary effects if they break and TBN has the shortest duration, so the game prioritizes it first since it would end sooner. The best way to test this is to get the weird party into synced content, have the RPR get aggro, then apply all the shields and see the order they break. I'd test RPR since Radiant Aegis could be considered an ally buff since Carby is the one that places it, though that could be another test at the same time. If the Arcane Crest pops first, then self shields would always pop first. The crit Eukrasian Diagnosis is the only part that is a variable, since Sage doesn't have a Recitation equivalent. Also, the Differential Diagnosis shield would probably function the same as SCH's Catalyst shield from crit Adlo, so that would be 2 birds with one stone. I'd also test with either SCH's Galvanize from Adlo or Succor or Sage's Eukrasian Prognosis to see how they'd order in the stack of shields since they're mutually exclusive to each other. This would also make testing Catalyst/Differential Diagnosis in the shield pop order since you can guarantee crits on the Adlo with Recitation. Haima and Panhaima are also weird in that they are a stacked buff that applies a shield by reducing the stack. Unfortunately, this is a very annoying thing to test myself since I don't have friends. For a personal guess, after whether the shield itself has an effect on break, it goes by either initial duration, shield size, or role, so shorter duration, smaller shield, or tank/healer/dps first.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

I actually have a video in the works exactly also covering the shield priority stuff. I don't cover all of them though, specifically because many of them have no particular reason to be high or low on the priority list, which means it can be extremely hard to know for sure if the order that I might discover was actually dictated by application order, remaining duration, remaining shield health, or something else. I do however cover the most important ones in demonstration! 😊 Still very good idea!

[@Xylus.]

Ninja's have Shade Shift too. I may have overlooked, but I didn't see that mentioned.

[@Dw7freak]

@@Xylus. Probably. I haven't leveled Ninja, Monk, Bard, or Machinist, so I don't know what all they have. I also didn't mention Blue Mage because they probably have 50 or so shields and I haven't unlocked anything except fish smack to quickly level it to 70 with someone.

[@Dw7freak]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh I also just remembered that Arcane Crest also has an effect on pop. Tells how often I play RPR lol.

[@medivh1035]

I noticed that arm's length didn't apply when l still actively do roulette but never thought about it further. That's interesting information

[@Jilhel]

Great episode of Mythbusters and great video as always!

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Thank you so much! 🥰

[@9768236]

Did actually not know that the timer in Dzemael Darkhold stopped stacking at 2. It was very easy to understand that multiple people made it go faster, as I've tried going solo and with more many times and it's easy to see. However that the countdown stops going faster after 2 people? Very interesting.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Yeah I wasn't ever entirely sure myself either, so knowing for sure that it stops at 2 is somewhat handy, if you can convince exactly 2 players in a random group to stay put for the AoEs! ^^

[@spyrothelegendarypurpledra8786]

Firstly, I didn't know that about Esteem at all! Its nice to know that i actually don't need Darkside before spawning him. I would always get upset when i spawned him without darkside active because i was under the impression that he would deal less damage for the entire duration. Second, just a minor tidbit. Not complaining as this is just more of a personal preference: A better GCD to use to test for #4 is demolish on monk since he has the fastest GCD and demolish has a long ass wind up animation. Spam form shift and use demolish on both angles. Nevertheless, its good to know that about positional snapshots because ive had many instances where the boss would turn as im trying to land my positionals and i end up unsure if i got the damage off or not.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

That is true that demolish would be even more exaggerated with the positional demonstration! Originally I was considering showing both flank and back side demonstrations so it made more sense to use samurai with more similar delays, but I believe the demonstration i made is good enough to show what is meant! 😊 Thank you for the suggestion!

[@GhostCry100]

Keep in mind that ping plays in hitting positionals. If you have high ping you need to move to the correct positional earlier. Same way you do when getting out of damage zones.

[@ROFLconda]

Cheeky answer to the question posed at the end. The heal from Heart of Corundum is considered a HoT. It does not tick every 3 seconds.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

While you're right, I would say it doesn't qualify on account of not ticking at all! 😁🤣

[@PennyTheGoblin]

Here’s a dumb question related to pets and targeted buffs: how do AST cards interact with chocobos? I used to bring my chocobo with me while leveling my healer out in the open world, and to maximize astrodyne I’d give a card or two to my chocobo in case I got the right star sign but didn’t want to override the card I gave to myself. I never really paid attention to if the card actually boosted my chocobo’s damage, though. Do chocobos even have a role, and thus would benefit from +6% damage? Or would they only get the lower +3%? Or neither?

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Interesting question! I went and tested quite briefly, and because of damage variance it is a bit hard to see, but from my observations, it looks like either card type gives the same bonus at least. My guess is that they both give the 3% bonus but I might test this some more later to be sure 😊

[@PCR100001]

According to the balance discord, single target buffs generally do apply to pets. It's just dragon sight that acts weirdly. Ast cards will apply to bahamut

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Thank you for the information! That is quite an interesting detail! I guess I will have to revisit this for Standard Finish and AST Cards then! ^^

[@SunrisenStar]

ohh, please do a myth on Earthy Star, i swear sometimes it only applies buffs when it's popped for it's effect, not when it's placed, like it should. if it wants to be placed and popped while buffs are up, it's doable, but only if coordinated a little, because it takes 10 seconds to get max potency, and most party buffs are 15, if it only cares about popping during party buffs, that's fine, and if only during placement, that's excellent.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

I believe I have tested this in prior Mythbusters episodes! To my knowledge it is one of the weirdest actions in the game because it tracks your buffs real time (just like a pet does!), but it appears it scales extremely closely to your stats, although it has been known to have its own stat line in some capacity similar to a pet... BUT it benefits from personal buffs (which a pet wouldn't!) Long story short, I am confident the answer to your question is that it checks buffs when it pops, so you should manually pop it if buffs are ending. However I will admit earthly star has always been a footnote in the other myths, so I think it might be a good idea to approach it directly in a future episode! 😊

[@SubduedRadical]

The Vengeance/Arm's Length thing - I wonder if that's why old ACN's Eye for an Eye ability was removed? Weird counter-attack proc not stacking combined with E4aE only having a 20% chance to activate could have caused some issues. I love these videos!

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

That sounds very possible!

[@hikarih9859]

regarding summoner i actually also recommend for lower lvls to be meele range that way your pet doesnt run to the boss to do the skill rather it just does it immediately, try it, its useful sometimes, plus, if ur a caster of any job auto attacking in msq roulette does alot of longterm dmg too, may seem low dmg but it adds up longterm ;D (and healer thanks u for it and later raids) XD

[@trance1215]

Wow, I totally used Vengeance with Arms Length during megapulls between Raw Intuitions. Had no idea the slow wasn't working. Nobody ever told me :(

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Well now you know! I recommend instead using reprisal with vengeance in these situations, and pair arms length with rampart as an alternative! 😊

[@SakuraShuuichi]

Paladins magic combo scales with spell speed. At least they used to, I haven’t tested it in a while, but I am pretty sure it still is that way. During shadow bringers with a high enough sks requiescat was only worth using for confittior or if you weren’t going to be in melee with the boss. The additional spells added in shadowbringers made sks almost entirely terrible on pld and sps feel almost worth it(but not actually worth it) to help with fitting everything into burst, the caveat being it only effects burst and Holy Spirit in your combo.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

They do absolutely yes! Dark knights aoe combo and unmend also does! These are not particularly surprising though since they are labeled as spells! 😁 For an opposing example, red mages melee combo also scales with skill speed. However this is completely irrelevant because skill speed cannot reduce the gcd below 1.5, and two of the enchanted combo steps have that exact gcd out of the box! 😊 (the aoe one does too!)

[@crimsonfoxonusae4472]

Not me a WAR main putting spell speed just to flex on the healer just a little bit more

[@neowolfgrimm4652]

The worst myth I ever heard was that, "Tanks crit chance effect how often the healer will crit on them with healing." I had to immediately ask a much more knowledgeable friend if it does or if it did before. They laughed before saying no to both.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Haha! Another one I heard a few times is "heals crit more the lower the targets hp is" 😅 (which is of course also not true!)

[@Eibon]

I have absolutely put SpS on my RPR before because, as a BLM main, I am committed to the bit. I may or may not have also put it on PLD for the same reasons. (I will note, I was not stupid enough to take it into any activity where the materia stat gains would actually matter)

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

That is a great bait and switch! Exclusively have sps materia incorrectly equipped in places where it doesn't matter anyway 😂

[@Eibon]

tfw no one notices you manage to finish casting Soulsow during a boss invincibility phase .05 seconds faster than the other RPRs 😭

[@lionsharpener2422]

Maybe you covered this already, but I’ve been hearing this claim recently that auto attacks turn you towards the target you’re attacking? Like when a gaze attack is about to happen, I’ve heard multiple people advise to both turn away AND click off of the enemy. Then sometimes when they fail the gaze mechanic, they’ll claim that it was the auto attack that caused them to turn towards the target. But I’m like 95% sure that’s not how auto attacks work.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Autos don't turn you 😊 You can test this yourself by going to any striking dummy, begin auto attacking, and turn away. You'll see your character performing the animation in whichever direction they happen to be facing 😊 Using an action will snap to face the target unless you turn off that feature (although I don't recommend it since then the game will instead fail to use the attack if you aren't facing them! 😂)

[@silasisawesome]

Feels a bit surreal to be mentioned in a video. I will note that I go by Emma these days. My old name doesn't bother me much, so I don't mind it being in the video, in fact I found it kind of endearing to hear you use the Danish pronounciation. I hadn't thought to test if Living Shadow was effected by darkside, and simply didn't use it in my origial testing to not skew reults. Also hadn't thought to aks the question: "since Living Shadow appears to deal a fair bit more damage than you, if we assume it does't suffer the 4/5 damage multiplier you do, what base pet potency would it need to have to match our results" which I think is a pretty interesting question. I stated my test results gave me an estimated 6/5 multiplier on Living Shadow's damage. Dividing by the assumed 5/4 multiplier gives 24/25, and with the added assumption of having a built in darkside buff we get the even uglier 48/55, which indeed is pretty close to 7/8, as matches your estimates. Taking my average dammage dividend by Living Shadow's and multiplying by 7/8, the presumed darkside, and the presumed lack of tank debuff, I get about 0,9977, which is close enough to 1 that the difference can probably be attributed to random noise.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

I see! 😅 It is a bit difficult because youtube shows the name I used in the video in a handful of places, so to be consistent I try to use the @ handles 😅 I can see you also have a display name of Emma 😊 And yes it seems like you got about the same results as me!

[@Cloud7050]

A potential thing to test in the next episode: Do gaze mechanics need to propagate their snapshot timings? By propagate, I mean get processed in succession for one player each tick. Like how player AoEs, like a tank's AoE damage or a healer's shields/regens don't all occur at once. I used to think that gaze snapshots its check at the same time for all players, like how the enemy's AoEs would. But after seeing the "dodge" flytext appear for me very late in WoD, where there's tons of players to propagate through, and after spending half a year in T7S watching the FX for gaze propagate, I think it does propagate.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

This is an interesting idea, but it can be extremely hard to demonstrate given that latency plays a factor. This is also not helped by the fact that gaze mechanics sometimes appear to snapshot at weird times in relation to when the action happens itself (although this itself might suggest that it does indeed propagate?) It is an interesting question though!

[@Cloud7050]

Watching back the WoD, looks like the delay between the eye icon disappearing and the effects happening is just quite large since the animation is long. Multiple players appear to have been hit with gaze's effects at the same time, so maybe it normally doesn't propagate. My dodge flytext appears at around the same time, but not always in the same frame. Coils mechs are all around super jank. T7S gaze is more complex in that it also buffs enemies and stones certain adds, so maybe it operates differently under the hood but reuses the same eye icon. This can be supported by how there is no "dodge" flytext when it goes off, only the propagating SFX of rock particles.

[@asdsad17]

If you need something to do. 1) Samurai's higanbana DoT. Does shifu weaponskill buff affect DoT? 2) Do you go eureka? The haste ring and earring doesn't have and secondary stat other than haste +3. Is it really better than other sync gear or il300 gear? Some people overmeld crafted il290 accessories. Blitzring price? surprise. Too lazy to test myself. lol.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Interesting questions! 1) higanbana does not benefit from Shifu, but does benefit from Jinpu (the raw damage buff). The reason is that Shifu's buff explicitly does not include dots at all in its description. This in comparison to skill and spell speed which technically do, but just not for abilities. Another difference here is that Shifu reduces the time between auto attacks, where speed stats increase the damage of auto attacks (although I do recognize that is very counter intuitive!) 2) i do not own a blitzring, and it is a bit expensive.😂 However knowing how much +3 haste is from bozja, which I do sometimes go to, I am pretty confident blitzring is better for most jobs. The only reason why I say most, is because maybe some specific job scales so badly with speed, That it isn't actually worth it, and I didn't go and math it out! Given the price of blitzring over melding would also og course be a much cheaper alternative! Which could explain why some people choose to do that instead 🤔

[@asdsad17]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh Makes sense. shifu doesn't increase skill speed, just reduce the weaponskill. the same thing with haste. I have a forever free trial alt because nothing to do and I'm in eureka everyday lately. My smn have +6 haste and 2.23s recast, 55 seconds bahamut. I don't know if I should wait to sync with searing wind or not. Right now I just pop bahamut on cooldown and wait for searing wind before enkindle. Hence your other video, pets doesn't snapshot. that is good. Only matters in BA, boss 3 and 4 though, everywhere else everything dies quickly. So it's nothing really. There's a BA run everyday on elemental DC. They're really going at it. Speaking of free trial, il400 gear sure have a lot of skill speed. even 405 weapons.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

@huzzahu4149 the simple answer is always use bahamut on cooldown. It is more costly to delay it, than any raid buff can make up for! 😊 In very specific encounters there is a possibility for an exception, but by default always bahamut on cooldown! 😁

[@apljack]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh Honestly, that is a good rule of thumb for any average encounter. Don't delay your big burst unless there is a specific reason for it, such as Encounters where there is expected downtime mid burst window, where it would be much better to hold and reopen as a group. Where my rotation as GNB falls in P12S Part 1 right before Limit cut, I don't use Blood Fest for my 3 carts to get out extra burst strikes. I hold it and build up to 2 carts so that I can quickly reopen with pot right after limit break and get those 3 burst strikes in the pot window at the end of my reopening burst. Granted at this point my burst is off from a lot of raid buffs as it PF everyone doing what they o, but after LC there isn't much left of Phase 1 anyhow to worry about it. XD

[@zanaduz2018]

18:00 Are you commenting on which are magical DoTs or physical DoTs? Because I can list all the healer DoTs as well as BLM’s Thunder spells as being magical…

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

The discussion is about ability based DoTs and HoTs and thunder is a spell so it makes sense it would scale with spell speed 😁

[@VorpalTiger]

what i learned is never give dragoon tether to a smn (unless dawntrail completely changes how tether works)

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Yeah your other target options would have to be terrible to choose summoner! 😅

[@one_eyeddd473]

Can you mythbust...if you apply intervention and THEN pop rampart or sentinal does it still apply the extra 10 percent mit or does rampart or sentinal already need to be up when you apply the intervention? Lol hope that question makes sense. I thoight as Iong as its up when the dmg goes out it would work, regardless if intervention was used befor or after rampart/sentinal

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

That is an interesting question. I might test this, but I am like.. 99% certain that snap shotting applies here, meaning that intervention only checks whether you had the buff when it was cast, and does not check again if you put them up later 😅 That is to say, using rampart or sentinel first is probably important! 😊

[@KasuAberra]

I don't recall if you've ever done this one before and a bit curious about it, but if a mit applies after a snapshot but before the damage, does the mit still apply to that damage, or does the mit need to be applied before the snapshot itself?

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Excellent question! I think this would depend on the action itself 🤔 I believe the generally accepted way is to always aim for before snapshot, but there are a select few boss mechanics with such a massive delay where that might not even be possible 😅 From a quick test it seems to be possible to use mitigation after a telegraph is disappearing (which is where most snapshots happen). I also tested stepping out of the attack after that same time stamp, which didn't work. This suggests that I was able to use mitigation after the snapshot. I also attempted with reprisal, which notably did NOT work if I used it after the snapshot. So my best guess here is that personal mitigation can be applied after the snapshot, but there might be a point where the game has calculated the damage you take, and it is simply a matter of the animation finishing. Debuffs like reprisal on the other hand appear to need to be on the enemy before the snapshot, as that is when the initial damage would be calculated. I think it would be quite difficult to test this in a satisfactory way because of how hard it can be to spot the exact snap shot on a lot of things. There's also the possibility of latency 😅 Sorry, that is not a suuuper clear answer, but I do hope it helps a bit! 😊

[@KasuAberra]

Oh no, it was a great answer, I was curious as I've noticed myself using my mits late sometimes and have wondered if I got and use out of them. XD I will admit though I'm a BLM main and this has likely confirmed to me that assuming Addle is like Reprisal I get no use out of a slightly late Addle. But overall it was a question out of curiosity that would likely not change how anyone plays, because even with the personal mit working as long as its on before the actual damage comes out, due to latency and other possible unknown factors, it would likely be very inconsistent. Thanks for taking the time to test it out and respond! Love your Mythbusters series! ^^

[@smudgedragon]

Random thought on the 5 sec DOT from PvP Sage: what if it's not real 5 sec, but 5.9 sec. Since the game does acknowledge decimal seconds and tends to round down decimals in the interface to whole numbers (a 1.75 hour buff from an MGP up script for example would display in the buff timer as 1 hour, for 45 minutes), that would guarantee 2 ticks of three seconds without hitting 3 ticks? On that same note (haven't tested yet) would the mob checking for DoTs, mean that you wouldn't have the tick reapply slide (loss of DPS due to restarting of the DoT timer)? IE - If you reapply before the drop falls off, you do not loose the overall DoT damage (like some other games), because the game is not counting the amount of ticks per DoT cast starting when it's applied, but only if it has the buff up when the mob checks?

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

The suggestion about sage would work, if it wasn't for the fact the tooltip itself outright says 5 seconds! 😊 Otherwise I see how it makes sense! Hmm, dots are checked every three seconds, so hypothetically, if your dot is off between two ticks, but is active when each tick happens, you still get full dot value! 😊

[@titaniumvulpes]

My friend recently picked AST back up and posed me the question "When does the damage/healing for Earthly Star snapshot" and I realised I've been playing AST all expansions and have no idea. Is it when it's first placed? Does it get re-snapshot when it switches to Giant Dominance? Or does it calculate as it's going off? Anyone know?

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

It tracks your buffs real time (meaning it checks when it pops), so make sure it pops while your buffs are still up 😊 it is worth noting that it is very unique in this aspect and it is totally understandable that you might not know 😊

[@SORROWCODE]

The way you compare how vengeance and arms length work to those blue mage abilities work or rather don't work with each other makes me wonder if vengeance does or doesn't work off of the old damage model like blue mage does, though I assume that isn't the case.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

I don't quite recall the old damage model you are talking about, but whatever is causing this interaction, I guess is because the game simply doesn't allow more than 1 "retaliation" kind of effect at a time to respond. Something like that? Is that related to the old damage model? :o

[@SORROWCODE]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh So the way it works now for classes that aren't blue mage, is that all we really have is physical and magic, doesn't really matter if it's slashing or piercing, fire or ice, all it is is physical and magic. However, the reason why blue mage can go nova using certain spells/abilities against certain enemies/types of enemies, is because the different damage types under the umbrella types of physical and magic still work on the old damage model in which all of these types of damage actually affected enemies to varying degrees. I'll try to find the info again so I can more specifically and accurately present what I'm talking about, but that should hopefully give you the basic gist of it.

[@powolyowo3565]

I once heard somewhere that pneuma works more like a hot, because it doesnt propagate, is its healing also affected by spell speed?

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

This is an interesting question. From some initial testing on my part, it appears to do the same healing as druochole (which is absolutely not affected by speed) I believe kardia is viewed as a hot in other aspects (for example, it generates no enmity like hots also don't), so maybe it scales with speed? Since pneuma is an attack, it would activate kardia too. Maybe this is what it is about? I will write it down to maybe test more later 😊

[@chelseahutchens6555]

I'm surprised you didn't use sps food to show a more noticeable increase. Weird how it works on aurora (didn't bother with corundum).

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

I hadn't considered that, but that could've helped slightly more too yeah 😅

[@bellamango6708]

okay i've actually timed the dzaemel countdowns what even

[@potatobean6064]

Bahamut used to not do anything if you hit Akh Morn, they fixed that in i think 6.4 because it was a regular issue in dungeons.

[@Cassapphic]

BRB melding spell speed onto my single target doton ninja build

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Oh god no 😂😂😂😂

[@SubduedRadical]

The Bahamut rumor probably dates from ShB, before the EW SMN rework. I think he tried to follow you EVERYWHERE. Now he will kind of stand in place, and his spells seem to be faster/instant cast? Anyway, I think there's some weirdness still in EW, but I believe this rumor probably dates from ShB, since it was more prevalent then.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

In ShB he attacked every time you cast a spell. In EW he attacks four times, and spread those four attacks over the course of the summon. However, if he is delayed in any way he will speed up, and attack faster 😊 It is possible this claim originates from ShB 😅

[@SubduedRadical]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh Oh yes. I don't remember when they changed it (I think it was before 6.0, but not sure), but he would also attack (or so the Balance told me at the time) on oGCDs. ANY oGCD that had a target. Meaning SMN used Addle to get in an extra Bahamut hit, along with 4 Ruin IVs (instant) and the other 4 Ruin III's (cast time), weaving their oGCDs to try and get more hits. The EW method is much...calmer, hehe. :)

[@RockR277]

I kinda wish they'd just merge skill and spell speed. The distinction only matters for, what, 3 jobs? But then again, they definitely designed the kits around that. When I go into Bozja with my haste gear on PLD, fight or flight timing gets super awkward and out of place. So I guess it's fine the way it is

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

I agree! I hadn't actually considered that detail from bozja, but that makes sense too. I do think it would be easier if it was just one type of speed simply because as you said, it is so much extra for something that doesn't really matter for most jobs! 😊

[@gamerdude295]

One thing I'm curious about with the positionals snapshotting, is latency. I play on NA server while in EU, so I have some noticable latency, and I can frequently stand to the side or behind the enemy attacking me when I'm #1 aggro. I'm curious if the snapshotting works client-side or server-side. Could I technically move behind an enemy and use a rear-positional to full effect, despite the enemy attacking me and thus constantly looking at me?

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

You could play around with it and see if it works, it should be possible even with good latency because mobs turn a bit slower than you can circle them 😊

[@drengnikrafe]

If Excog and HoC are HoTs, does that mean every button in the game that restores HP or grants shield at a time other than when the button was pressed is a HoT? Was old Paladin Divine Veil, the one that needed to be procced, a HoT?

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

POSSIBLY, I would lean towards yes, but unfortunately I cannot test this now! It makes sense it would though right? An interesting example! 😊

[@EnternodeCS]

"Don't actually put spell speed materia on your tank gear" My clemency paladin would like to have a word with you

[@Cranefluff]

VENGEANCE DOES DAMAGE?!?!?! How in the hell did I tank savage throughout Endwalker on my warrior and not know this?

[@vincentbeton]

While not about a Mechanic, maybe someone here can answer a question I got. Can FCs be Auto Disbanded? I heard that if a Master isn't online for 35 days straight it moves the Master Rank or disband the FC if there is no one else that qualifies for it. Does the later actually happen? Since we've been told for the better part of 2 years now to take frequent and maybe extended breaks, this should've wrecked quite a few small FCs but I cannot find anyone reporting that and the rules do seem quite harsh so I wonder if they actually apply

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

I have not heard about this, and it would be extremely difficult to test in detail given the time required, but I would guess that if no one is eligible as a leader it simply does nothing? But that's a guess! 🤔

[@apljack]

Be right back, remeldng all my materia on GNB into Spell Speed to get that little bit of extra heals on myself cause I can.

[@CloakedOccultist]

Time to meld spell speed on my dancer for the improvisation healing I guess...

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Oh no what have I done! xD

[@zyrage]

To 1. You should never use Arm's Length and Vengeance at the same time anyway, if they attack slower, you deal less dmg with Vengeance 😜

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

This is true, but it is an interesting observation nonetheless 😁

[@zyrage]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh True that :D And I'm glad Vengeance has priority

[@WikiED]

When it comes to 7th: is it known how is chocobo classified? I know you can partner with it but i wonder if it does anything. Is companion classified as pet?

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Your chocobo is an entirely separate entity with its own hp bar, and is very easily accessible compared to many other pets. After a quick trip I can inform you that the chocobo has its own unique stat line and simply scales with your level and nothing else. This means that if you change to a lower level job, then it will get less stats. But it does not matter whether you are wearing any equipment at all beyond that. The chocobo will do the same dps, have the same hp, and heal the same amount regardless. We can safely assume that any personal buffs on you will not affect the chocobo 😊 From that, I suppose it does not qualify as a "pet" but rather something unique of its own! I hope that is a satisfying answer 😊

[@WikiED]

​@@CaetsuChaijiCh I guess my question came up from misunderstanding (or rather not thinking about the logic) of the premise as obviously the point was talking about targeting the player with buffs and pets profiting from the buffs of the owner and NOT giving buffs directly to the pets (obvious if spent a literal second to think). So let me rephrase it with proper wording as my question actually does not fit to 7th myth: Is it known if chocobo actually gets dmg buffs if a player gives them one or is it just UI but does not actually do anything, like they can be dance partners but don't actually profit from it. Assumption would be that they do but i could also see a world where if it's not a player then player buffs don't work on it. If it's not known then i guess i'd have to go test it myself, i've asked as sometimes ppl just know these things from past testings.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

@WikiED a quick addendum then: I went and tested with my chocobo and dance partner with standard finish: without it, my chocobo auto attacks do around 2200 damage. With standard finish, it is closer to 2300 on average, which suggests it works 😊

[@iPlayOnSpica]

Thank you for the math on Doom Spike, but can we just address the elephant in the room and agree that Endwalker's version of DRG is, ironically, the single worst dps in Heavensward content. That's both in single target and aoe. In fact, I'm sure SCH, SGE, and WHM all out-dps DRG in aoe.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

I don't know! I do think that dragoon is in a weird spot in general at least! Like, I'm not saying that this disembowel thing is justified 😂

[@KINGOFTHESPARKS755]

Regarding dots and hots. Where does Pyretic lie? Pyretic ticks extremely quickly under the condition that you are moving or performing another action, though it cannot interrupt spell casts. Its a debuff that does deal damage over time, but tgen...what is it actually? Is it a DoT?

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Hard to say, however to my knowledge it has a tendency to tick at very random intervals, so there is a possibility it ticks each time it observes an action, but only every x frames on movement, partly because of how the game tracks movement. But I don't know for sure, and pyretic happens so momentarily and so rarely that it would be really hard to test i feel! 😅

[@DayaranPlays]

I do believe that Wildfire is essentially a dot, at least the way its coded, in that it snapshots on application and cannot dhit/crit. I suppose that could be the 1 exception to ticking every 3 seconds 😂

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Dots can dhit and crit, they just don't show the visual effects (bigger text and exclamation points) when they do 😊 I suppose it is more comparable to excog and heart of corundum 😊

[@DayaranPlays]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh well ill be damned! I have no idea why i was super confident in my wrong assumption, but yeah looking at the individual damage events in logs, youre right 🤣 mini mythbusters in the comments (or maybe its just me :x)

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

@DayaranPlays it's actually a weirdly common assumption, maybe I should cover it in a video 😂

[@SubduedRadical]

When testing Spell/Skill Speed...why didn't you test Bow Shock on GNB? It has a DoT, right?

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

It does yes. It occurred to me too, after I had removed all the speed materia and fixed my gear again. However, bow shock is a physical damage DoT so I am reasonably confident based on what I know that it will scale with skill speed 😊

[@SubduedRadical]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh That is what I was thinking/wondering. It's hard for me to tell since it doesn't say...or, wait, it does say now, doesn't it? The sword or wand icons. That makes sense. : )

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

@@SubduedRadical Not only that, but the tooltips themselves explain it as well! Any physical attack will say something to the effect of "Delivers an attack with a potency of X..." where magic attacks will say something along the lines of "Deals [Element/Unaspected] damage with a Potency of X"!

[@billyjhamlin]

Reaper has a spell. Reaper gets spellspeed. QED.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

The time for harpe Reaper is now! 😂

[@shirtsize1515]

Do you gain more EXP from dungeon bosses per the amount of enemies killed before them?

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

To my knowledge, no. The bosses simply give quite a lot of exp, and the mobs leading up to them are simply in the way nowadays given the trash mobs in a dungeon give no experience now 😅 But I haven't outright TESTED for this specifically so it could be worth a test. If you have a job that is not max level, you could test this simply by going into aurum vale, and killing the first boss leaving as many mobs in the first room alive as possible. After that, go out and re enter, and then clear the entire first room and then kill the boss. I am however extremely confident the bosses give a fixed amount of exp 😊

[@SimplePufferfish]

why is your wedding ring on your right hand? ive seen this a lot. Is it a thing in different regions?

[@RuneKatashima]

I DON'T KNOW MAN, REAPER DOES LITERALLY HAVE A SPELL. Harpe. Maybe I should?

[@mihaicasator4221]

Also communio

[@ClairvoyantLastrus]

So WAR is the only tank that can't pair the same defensive cooldowns together? Wtf lmao they need to fix that. I'm sure I'll forget that since I don't play WAR often

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Well, the interesting thing is that, because Vengeance uniquely also counter attacks as part of the cooldown (where the other tanks don't), Warriors might not actually want Arm's length to slow the attackers anyway! Although from an entirely defensive standpoint, I see what you mean ^^'

[@ClairvoyantLastrus]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh Good point! But ig for WAR everything is more so about bloodwhetting

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

@ClairvoyantLastrus yeah maybe the real answer is this is to balance warrior a bit! 😂😂😂

[@ClairvoyantLastrus]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh lmao no think, only bloodwhetting. Oonga boonga

[@dragumkirisute1998]

Alright... who said Gunbreaker relies on Spell Speed of all things? 🤔

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

I guess no one did, but the example itself was more related to "what speed do abilities scale with" and the answer included a demonstration that gunbreaker has abilities that scale with spell speed 😊 This can also be interesting considering that the game never stated abilities scale with speed at all (yet they do!)

[@dragumkirisute1998]

​Oh ok, i thought someone actually said that 😂​@CaetsuChaijiCh

[@shaece798]

or people don't check also because its a lot harder to check into things without mods or plugins so people just take their word for it.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

There's a tendency that things that require two players or more are less likely to be tested as you say, but I did do these tests with no mods or plug-ins, just to be clear 😊

[@shaece798]

I wasn't accusing of anything I just mean people aren't always likely to go out of their way to do the math manually unless it's presented in front of them in an easy to figure out manner that's why more people are prone to just take peoples word for it than to figure it out, I'm guilty of just taking people's advice loosely while still doing things the way I want to do them mostly just because when I don't get much time to play I don't want to spend majority of that time with a spreadsheet trying to figure out what does 5% more damage or whatnot.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Oh of course, I didn't mean to suggest you were accusing, I just wanted to clarify 😅 And you are right. I do that too sometimes, but that is also exactly why I do all these tests, to find the answers to all the random queries, questions and claims! That way we don't all have to do the math individually! 😄

[@Sniperbear13]

hmm good to know the Arms Length Vengeance thing. although i never really am in a situation where the 2 would overlap.