FFXIV: Openers Are Always Important

[@LoDaFTA]

Lmao, openers are basically the REASON combat feels so good in this game. Everything just...fits. It's satisfying.

[@nicology13]

“Just look at the mess that is Astrologian” I felt that. 🤣🤣🤣

[@WeskAlber]

"Okay. Sun, redraw, sun, redraw, sun, redraw, su-FUCK"

[@christiangroff7116]

@@WeskAlber It didn't help that when I tried to do the Astrologian quests, my game lagged to hell and then DC'd. Luckily I should get a better router to fix this.

[@juliannoble7086]

I'm probably going to get some downvotes for this but.... I really like the door joke in the thumbnail

[@aabidj]

Can you pls explain? New player here

[@jackmanleblanc2518]

@@aabidj The video is about openers. Doors open.

[@MrLee-qh2dk]

AHH Reddit nightmares "Downvotes" for no reason lol

[@ThatsNotAName]

welp youtube downvotes on comments literally don't even do anything so you're safe here I guess PogO

[@TarossBlackburn]

Another thing that makes a good opener important and useful in a big fight is that the bossfight usually starts with a 10-15 second "free DPS" where the boss either only attacks the tank, only does a tankbuster or showcases their various mechanics one at a time to show you what it can do before rolling into the actual fight itself. Which means that you can pretty much do a clean burst opener right before actual mayhem breaks out. And as you said, with the entire party buffed and various dots and debuffs rolling on the target, that can make for a LOT of damage output right at the start of combat.

[@brandonohnine2998]

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[@blackjet2000]

Learning opener has been a blessing for me. Initially even as a tank I didn't pay much attention to it. I would save the Infuriate just to unload on Inner release for example but then seeing your WAR video on the opener helped me understand why using it immediately is better. All these small things in general are great to understand

[@TheDaxter11]

Starting a tank was the only reason I looked for guides and found this guy in the first place. Before that I'd just learn the abilities for classes as I'd play and do my own thing, cause it worked and was fine for me, but I was scared shitless of playing tanks for the first tim ecause I didn't wanna get into a group where I'd mess up and have people shit talk me for it, so I decided to look up a guide, found this guy who made a guide that actually made sense, and I've been watching him when I start a new class ever since.

[@FeverSensei]

Thank you so much for these guides, one of the best content creators for this game especially helpful as a new player to this game and MMOs in general, I always leave a video knowing more and also having some laughs with how in depth the information is and how well done the commentary is. Thank you again for these videos!

[@forthas6405]

That’s important because I learned a lot from you in the rotation of SMN and I recommend you to my friends and you also help me with NIN and PLD

[@TheDaxter11]

It also helps that unlike other people who explain rotations and openers the fact that he just does "Ability A > B > C > D > E" and so on instead of the discount guitar hero mess of a rotation example I see some people on KZbin showing from time to time that doesn't even show what ability goes after what actually makes sense and is easy to follow.

[@ProfessM]

Slow and steady wins the race indeed. I once blew the mind of all parties in the Labyrinth of Ancients by saying, Slow down to speed up. Because they kept running into the Atomos fight forcing everyone to be teleported into the A side meaning B and C either had not enough players to even push a button or no one at all. Sometimes stopping to catch your breath or let others catch up will save time. Also I'm really bad at openers but when I tank I try to at least do a count down but seems that the end of a 15 second count down happens at 5 seconds.

[@aicey1983]

I like your BLM clip, once you demonstrated that you are willing to take an AOE hit to stay in your layline, you got dance partner. :P

[@alicelufenia3648]

This was a treat to hear! I always try to at least do a ready check for the final boss of a dungeon, unless it's clear that everyone knows it and is overgeared for it, but given I've had wipes on some expert dungeons that should otherwise be on lock down for everyone running the roulette, even a bit of preparation can help everyone. I feel more confident to do countdowns even for normal content after watching this. At least as tank or MT, still not sure how well it'd go over as healer or dps. But then, I guess, the worst that could happen is the fight starts before countdown finishes, so not a big deal really.

[@WeskAlber]

Usually it is the tank's job, until Static environments. My next major video series, I intend to have a part in the tank section specifically all about openers and Countdowns

[@dianauwu1312]

I really wish random dungeon tanks would do countdowns. Be the change you like to see in the world, I guess.

[@akirachisaka9997]

Tried it, received insults for wasting people's time. 10/10 would do again.

[@Linuana]

@@akirachisaka9997 hundred upvotes to this. I've been doing it mostly for my astro friend but we got ignored and flamed so yeah...

[@P0rk_Sinigang]

My mentality when it comes to optimizing damage is that I want to treat every encounter as a DPS check, so that when an actual DPS check comes my way I'll be more than ready.

[@WeskAlber]

It's not even a matter of optimization. It's just good habits

[@P0rk_Sinigang]

@@WeskAlber That's a much better way of putting it, yeah.

[@SemigoHb]

This does not change the fact that in Australia there are 48 million kangaroos and in Uruguay there are 3,457,380 inhabitants. So if the kangaroos decide to invade Uruguay, each Uruguayan will have to fight 14 kangaroos.

[@SemigoHb]

Jokes aside, I don't see the player base as the main culprit for most of the players not being interested in learning openers, rotations and adapting them to specific mechanics. I would argue that the game itself is not challenging enough before all the savage/ex trials content, leaving all these advanced concepts on a second plan. Although practicing openers in low level content could be extremely beneficial, in the end this won't make any difference if you are about to succeed or wipe in a fight, since the game doesn't push players harder outside the savage/ex territory

[@WeskAlber]

Some people DO try. This channel is proof of it. I wouldn't be here, have any support otherwise. And its those people, be it those in this audience or elsewhere, that I fight for. But also you don't get 100k+ views on guides if people aren't trying lol

[@ew275x]

I'm stupid but I don't really get the 20 second timer you mention is it the 20 second get ready timer before a fight? Not sure how it affects the fight. Same with Tank instantly pulling.

[@WeskAlber]

/cd 20 A without some form of a countdown, you can MASSIVELY hamper a ninja. Their openers, when accounting for pugs, require 4 casts of Mudra. An instant pull, they will only get 3. And since mudra are the biggest hitters for Ninjas, that's a big loss and that's just the start. Go back to my big rant on E11 and 12S for why it matters so much. Yes, it's high end content. But a HALF A SECOND of leeway screws up my entire rotation. Things get misaligned, I'm not using skills under buffs, etc. Also the part later. People are using party buffs. An attack does 1000 potency? Now it does 1600 potency because you have DRG buffs, AST buffs, DNC buffs, etc. Even a bad opener is improved just by being timed along with everyone else.

[@lightyar1]

All I have to say on this is this: I remember doing one of the crystal tower raids (I think it was the last boss in LotA), and someone used a 15 second countdown before the fight. What followed was one of the smoothest fights of that boss I've experienced. This is as someone who has so far only done Ramuh EX, Tsu's Ballad, and Dancing Plague EX synced. No savage content experience yet. If that's not evidence that openers matter, I don't know what is.

[@tiraraymond6629]

Openers have really helped me understand classes better. My ability to contribute throughout an entire fight has gone up because of them.

[@oscara8454]

The only opener I know is dancer T-T. Maybe Bard. Just beat Emerald Weapon extreme. We killed it with just a sliver left until enrage. Every bit of dps counts

[@bs.music.kyi9]

I never even knew openers were controversial. I am a new tank (in between hw and storm blood, and pumped to try raiding) and learned how to play my job with ur videos and always thought that openers were a standard that I always had to do. Honestly, I think I’m better off for it because this isn’t even an argument. Openers are just better.

[@OsirisNeits]

That's great info and all, but where do you get the "opener" in the thumbnail?

[@WeskAlber]

There is no opener in the thumbnail though

[@OsirisNeits]

@@WeskAlber Hey, it was your joke. Anyway, I looked it up, and apparently there's a really ugly club that blocks it on the outside. Pass.

[@ladyellen7993]

“Annoying voice,” he says, when his job guides are some of the main things I like to put on as background

[@daverailey6234]

Late to the party but what if you have trouble remembering openers.

[@WeskAlber]

Treat it more as a guideline til you get it down. Some kinda opener is still better than no opener

[@Reynsoon]

I was doing EW EX2 as an RDM, and prepull Verthunder makes things align so right nowadays that your damage gets boosted by an order of magnitude.

[@reniecoffey]

I'm just now getting through stormblood on white mage, so I haven't seen any really hard content yet, but despite that, I absolutely cannot understand why having a great flow, stability, and confidence is something that is contentious in the community...

[@soberbard]

my favourite as a healer main is when ppl shotgun countdown when i play astro so i dont even have my div on time. wish ppl would at least rcheck if they are making the cd shorter than my card...

[@Cassapphic]

A lot of getting better at dps in this game is practice, having a consistent way to start fights helps get practice for how the player should act in future fights (edit: looking back on this with more experience with the game god I wish any somewhat relevant fight at like 70+ maybe earlier had a timer. As a dancer main who doesn’t want to pull early, not having a countdown means I need to telekinetically guess when the tank will pull or risk screwing up a huge part of my rotation by misaligning my dances)

[@TheAdventangel]

New monk main anyone can tell me how they work wit the camera for hitting positionals?

[@WeskAlber]

What do you mean with the camera? Camera has nothing to do with positionals

[@depoant]

I understand that is important for high end content like extreme stuff (which I most avoid for not having the patience for the stuff, same as PVP), I don't know how to fully explain but it feels...like I'm being forced to play in a way because it's the "right way" and feels less fun to figure out stuff for yourself and finding a way to play that you enjoy, a rotation that you fell confortable, I have been yelled for "overhealing", I do take care to manage my mana, but someone freaked out because I was keeping the party at full health as a white mage once in a trial, sometimes after a day's work I just want to enjoy my red mage flashy skills, so my take is, if isn't anything overly difficult, it's fine to be slacky with optimal stuff and max/min dmg/cd, you video has great content as always anyway

[@WeskAlber]

No reason not to let everyone else practice their rotations though.. Plus a lot of the higher end base tend to be LMAOOOO PEOPLE SUCKKKKKK but also are hypocrites in that they never give them the chance to learn. Learning an opener or that openers even exist is improving ability. But they happily will pull ASAP with no warning.

[@Foogi9000]

I wanna try and improve with Samurai and learn the opener but my horrendous sleep schedule coupled with depression just gives me a lack of motivation. What should I do?

[@bigadam]

Not sure if this is just a meme comment, but do what you can to improve your sleep and depression before worrying about acquiring new skills. Improving sleep might help with the depression on its own

[@Ghilliedude3]

Im getting into end game bard, one of the biggest things ive learned from watching more experienced play is not clipping my GCD. Its really easy to see proc and press proc, but making sure that im getting only 2 weaves in has really brought up my over all performance. I think this kind of optimization is fun, but it's something that i would have taken ages to realize by myself.

[@user-xo2og8kv1o]

i play for a few days coming from another mmo and i have a genuine question. so what happens if the fight takes longer? is there a timer that makes u wipe when u are behind in time? why cant u just fight the boss for longer, are resources running out? what is it? im coming from a mmo where those prinicples only apply when going for a world record speedrun or something, where u have to beat that .x seconds to get the record. its really hard to imagine that this is a requirement just to get a clear. i also hate how the only skillexpression in ff14 seems to be if you get an extra gcd in more than another player... but thats the nature of this combat system i guess. let me know if im wrong about that assumption tho.

[@JelisW]

As you go, there will be more DPS checks, and more of them per boss. Basically, you have to unload a minimum amount damage in a specific amount of time, or you will have a full-party wipe. This can range from things like having to take down certain adds before the boss finishes casting a very huge unavoidable arena-wide attack, or straight up hp dmg requirements like with the Odin fight, which, iirc, _must_ be reduced to 50% by the 6min mark or you wipe, or simply "kill the boss before it finishes long-casting this huge ass mega-attack" (again like Odin, who does shin-zantetsuken near the end, and you have about 35 seconds from cast start to kill him or he kills you). In normal dungeons, especially if you're still in ARR, the DPS checks are _very_ forgiving, but they do get tighter in the hard mode ones, and with Savage raids, your margin for error is often tiny. Just yesterday I watched a friend's static wipe three times in a row when they were in the last... I wanna say 10% of the boss' HP bar because there were missing a measly 4k DPS, and the boss hit enrage. 4k can be as simple as a handful of missed GCDs, or taking a couple of hit that you should have been able to avoid, forcing the healer to spend more time than absolutely necessary on healing and therefore contributing less to the DPS.

[@JelisW]

Also, while DPS checks in dungeons are generally more forgiving, being efficient with DPS is still vital to the overall success of a run. I dunno if you tank or heal, but as tank, I have about 3 substantive defensive skills (and a couple more minor ones), and these skills give me a defensive boost lasting a mere 10-20s, and are on cooldowns of anywhere between 1.5min (rampart) to a whopping 6min (my invulnerability skill). Healers too, have a limited number of healing skills they can use before they are all either on cooldown (for the oGCDs), or the mana runs out (for the GCDs). We tend to talk as if the tanks and the healers have the bulk of the responsibility for the success of a run, but that's only because we're the most _visible_. When we go down, the speed with which the rest of the team goes down is very obvious. But the truth of the matter is, if the DPS don't pull their weight, there is only so long we can drag the fight on before the tanks and healers run out of skills, at which point we can't keep up with the damage being inflicted, and everyone wipes. DPS is its own form of mitigation.

[@WeskAlber]

I think you missed a couple bits of the video. I covered the idea of longer fights. People make mistakes, they die to mechanics, sometimes the same mechanics over and over. If, using an opener, you could clear on 7:59 with a tough mechanic at 8:00, a slower clear means people will die, and possibly an entire wipe. Or maybe yes, mana is running out because the healers have to keep saving people from their mistakes. The bigger reason I was suggesting was the fact that your average player can perform better when given an opener. I used my single GCDs as a base example, and then explained that's just the beginning. Many other jobs will lose far more than a single GCD. 12S i lose more than a single GCD. I went over that too. A job like Ninja basically NEEDS an opener to be not a nightmare mess. I opened the video with RDM which the two barely resemble each other. And everyone can benefit from party buffs. Also even some DUNGEON bosses have DPS checks

[@user-xo2og8kv1o]

@@WeskAlber dont get me wrong, im not trying to argue against the importance of an opener. it its important, like in almost every mmo. but having everyone to time everything frame perfet to not do the fight longer and play mechanics is a weak argument in my opinion.

[@WeskAlber]

It wasn't my only argument though and I never said anything about "frame perfect." But as for that idea, it's true though. The longer a fight goes, the more that can go wrong. This applies to Savage especially. Skipping tough mechanics is a goal not for speedrunning but for safety. We already meet the DPS checks by a ton, but skipping mechanics we don't like/struggle at is great. Back in 3.3, every Akh Morn in Final Steps was a chance to wipe. Every set of orbs, a chance to wipe. People struggled SO MUCH with that mechanic. 4.0, Royal Menagerie was hard for people. People would leave/vote abandon immediately so they wouldn't have to carry 7 dead bodies across the finish line. This is also when Ozma created the Wiping City of Mhach. Every meteor phase was a potential wipe, because people did not know left from right. Ending the fight before the next meteor could save the run 3.5, the only time I ever got 7 comms (not because of my play ability, sadly) was when I carried a group through A11N. Literally every single mechanic, someone would die. Every Hawk Blaster, GA-100, Laser Sword, Whirlwind, someone died. It took us 3-4 tries I believe to kill the boss and even the winning run, half the group died. Including me, because one mechanic is a heal check and I was on DRG. But that was the ONLY death i had. O11N, people NEVER could understand Larboard vs. Starboard. 2-3 people would drop, every run, every time that mech happened. And don't get me started on the flame puddles + flamethrower. There are mechanics, even in the casual content, that massively cause issues. Even if I hope to help the playerbase improve, not everyone is some god gamer. Mistakes will happen, wipes will happen. But every mechanic you skip is a potential run saved Also given how prominent "Skip Soar or Disband" was... most people probably like the idea of faster fights.

[@kippert1987]

This idea is very new to me, so I've got a question or two. If I am a tank, what am I aiming to do. In my head I've currently got the following: 1. Start a 5 or 10 second countdown timer before a boss 2. The moment that timer hits 0 is the moment I'm expecting my first hit (likely ranged) to land, or is that the point I press the button in the knowledge that there is a bit of leeway anyway? I guess I'm not sure how important it is for me to immediately have emnity the moment the countdown finishes, vs. just knowing that I will have emnity by the time the boss performs an action. Does that make sense? The next question is, does that mean I need to be in range of the enemy for my attack to land when the countdown finishes? Lots of questions, but yeah, just trying to figure out how I actually do this. Cheers

[@WeskAlber]

20 second countdown ideally,. Aim for the fight to begin at exactly 0. Even in Savage, a DPS can take an auto attack and live. If you're using a ranged hit, try to make that ranged hit, well, hit, at "Go" If you are going to be starting with a melee hit, sprint in, and i mean Sprint, not normal walk speed, at like, 1 second. By the time it hits 0, you'll be in range. Look at how we handle E11S, if you ain't one of the people just listening to avoid spoilers.

[@kippert1987]

@@WeskAlber great, that makes sense. I'll need to practice a bit at that but at least I've got the thing to aim for, thanks.

[@theshadyattic5023]

Playing more Ninja at 80 opened my eyes to doing a countdown whenever I tank. Nothing more annoying than a tank rushing in to start when I haven't even gotten Huton up yet

[@WeskAlber]

There's a reason why I put in the ninja section I wasn't even going to TRY using it in a Pug lol

[@ioverslept.]

Well if people get careless when a fight is at 1% and die, wouldnt your better dps just make them go careless sooner and have the same outcome?

[@WeskAlber]

It's less about getting careless and more about difficult mechanics happening. If the difficult mechanic never happens...

[@wollyram6248]

Well done. I wish there was more meta content about FF14, so thank you for this 👍

[@WeskAlber]

Bet you liked my "Meta doesn't matter" video lol

[@wollyram6248]

@@WeskAlber Not that sort of meta :) most if not all FF14 content is very object focused, it's rare and pleasing to encounter content that is more general, and touches on "meta" subjects.

[@TheDaxter11]

The only time I get annoyed at openers is when its taking me fucking forever to get them in my head so I can do them without having to look at a picture. I spent what felt like 2 hours day before yesterday sat outside my guild house staring at a training dummy trying to get the Monk opener from your video in my head so I could do it from memory without having to look away from the screen. I beat that thing up so fucking much in the process. Thankfully, minus occasionally messing it up or having a mind blank on it every now and then, I've got it and I can do it just fine now.

[@WeskAlber]

Even some small mistakes, it should be mostly fine. Like I even mention, there are even multiple openers for most jobs. I don't know what your mistakes are specifically, but it may even be a mistake that becomes the alt opener. Unlikely, but still. My point here is it's a bit more flexible than it seems. As long as it isn't a mistake that massively misaligns your CDs for the entire fight. See my E12S complaining

[@omnilanceiii5217]

Only took me two freaken months to realize the crime against humanity that is the pun on your thumbnail...well played >.>

[@lazengan2024]

I feel this I often get shit for doing a ready check and 20s timers by the average player for openers but it’s just a natural part of the game. only recently got into raiding and learning but after learning it becomes second nature and obvious why we would want to do it. it’s safe very rarely are you in danger during the opener windows and it improves our chances. I still have a long way to go before I’m great but an opener isn’t something the average player should shun at all. I agree with this video but I can already see the casual player base that can’t be asked to do anything getting upset or thinking it’s toxic or elitist even if people aren’t enforcing it.

[@damonr-fk5rp]

One of the things I always open with as a tank is by saying "Please respect the ready check and countdown timer, thank you." I make it a politeness thing. If you disrespect the countdown timer, then in my book, you're rude.

[@grandruby5343]

Now I know not to pull instantly and try to understand my classes (even if they’re only 3 at the moment) a lot more better, thanks!

[@zomgl2pnoobffs]

I just want to say that your comments about not letting players improve are spot on. I've quit entire MMOs because the community consists only of people who've run a map or fight 1000 times before, won't let you learn it, and *also* complain that you haven't already learned it. Utterly selfish. Who would want to play games with such people?

[@andy4an]

i like people using a timer just so i can practice being efficient in real situations. and i don't do any content more intense than normal raids

[@FriskyPanda167]

Anywhere to find like level 70 rotations? Cuz everything I find is level 80/90. Like...bruh ...not everybody is leveled yet 😂

[@WeskAlber]

My Leveling guides, actually lol. They're not optimized cuz that's not the point, but they give you a jumping off point.

[@FriskyPanda167]

@@WeskAlber fair enough. Something to watch at work tonight lol.

[@EbonySeraphim]

I just had a debate on reddit about underperformance-toxicity and had to argue that WHM during dungeon content can easily be seen to hit harder than a reasonably performing DPS role, 1) in general because WHM is OP in dungeons and 2) because said DPS role is holding onto their DPS buff cooldowns due to boss coming up. This 2nd idea was foreign to the other poster who massively engaged in a pointless knowledge-flex about fflogs, completely missing the variance in playstyles or goals leading to "results that don't give you an excuse to be toxic." Someone else even came in and asked me why would a DPS not use a DPS buff cooldown. They argued that I'd be losing DPS by 1) holding onto the buff and 2) not using it during AoE trash where the DPS numbers are higher. That was literally a conversation with players peacocking game knowledge on 4-man dungeons. I don't care if I play the "entirety" of a 4-man dungeon at somewhat higher efficiency if I skip practicing openers on every-single-boss fight. Trash mobs are not worth optimizing anything for. As long as I do my basic rotation, and use that buff if I'm sure we're far away from the next boss, I'm good. The average tank does NOT do cooldown on any boss in dungeon, and certainly isn't the kind that's waiting for ready up, or taking feedback to delay start for 15-20 seconds for that buff to come off cooldown. As such, I'm holding it always so I can use it to open on normal bosses correctly so when I run normal tier raids, or extreme trials, I'm able to do with with solid practice behind me because openers start to matter for those fights, but that doesn't mean it should have been the start to practice.

[@WeskAlber]

It doesn't matter if it's 4 man or 8 man or savage or ultimate. Good habits are still good habits.And it's a good habit to use CDs on trash. In Relict, I have a full opener for the 3rd boss, but I otherwise use my resources on a rotation. 1st trash pack: Litany + LC 2nd Pack: Dragon Sight + LotD Boss: DS, LC, and LotD 3rd pack: Lit + LC + LotD 4th pack DS + LotD Boss: DS + LC + LotD 5th pack: Lit + LC + LotD 6th pack: DS + LotD 7th pack (single enemy): Nothing Final Boss: Everything, starting the fight with 2 eyes Look how many CDs I get. Practicing openers is good where you can, even in dungeons, but its still good to CD trash. It's why I say the FINAL boss of a dungeon can use a Countdown cuz those tend to benefit from it

[@EbonySeraphim]

@@WeskAlber Monk is the only DPS role I play and I have solid experience behind me from extreme trials and non-savage raids, and I'm also coming back from a 9 month break. My habit is simple: use those cooldowns on first trash pull of dungeon, and first after boss. Beyond that, I need to specifically know that there will be enough time and it's usually not "yes" if it isn't a pull right after a boss fight. I had to look it up but Lance Charge is on the same cooldown as Monk's buffs at 90 seconds. Monk has three buffs that all take part in the opener and synergize so your usage in Matoya's Relict lines up exactly with mine except I am holding all three buffs and using them exactly where you have Lance Charge used: only the first pull after a boss, and the boss fights as well. All other resources (Monk oGCDs) are used basically on cooldown with Tornado Kick (45 seconds) maybe needing a judgement call if it's being used late on a trash pull right before a boss. Elixir Field at 30 seconds is short enough to be an almost no brainer unless it's the finishing hit of an enemy right before a boss. Battle Litany is an interesting one, because while it is on a very long cooldown (180 = 90 +90), because you choose when to activate it and the cooldown runs while the tank is gathering up a few pulls for a single pack. Monk, will hold activating buffs while the tank is still running forward gathering enemies and only when they've settled on a spot to start AoEing down enemies, will they be used. This means the 2nd, 4th, 6th and 7th packs are better for the nature of Battle Litany. Monk would find themselves at a loss for the next fight if they popped buff cooldowns at the start of those same packs. Maybe the 6th pack is OK to use Monk buffs because the 7th enemy takes some time to kill. To my point on the reddit thread: if someone looked at a WHM at some point during parse, and saw that they outdid my Monk DPS for a pull or two then called me trash, that person is toxic. I am always at least executing my AoE rotation as fast as GCD allows, and still usually perform above average without those buffs all the time.

[@WeskAlber]

@@EbonySeraphim I'm not arguing that "lol u suck" isn't toxic, just that trash is worth more effort than you'd think.

[@callmeobsequious]

I didn't know people thought this about openers, I'm not even in savage content and I learn them. But put it like this: Even IF openers are "only for savage content"...why wouldn't you learn to use them and build on them, committing them to muscle memory as you go through the game so when savage content hits, you're ready if you want to do it...? Lol

[@kfk4441]

The same mentality of being mediocre not even trying openers is the same of you pulling you tank it. Be better and help others be better, don't create a toxic environment and team work gets easier

[@SoldierSurplus]

If it wasn't already difficult to get everything right at endgame and even certain points in progression, I would agree 100%. Whenever I think of optimization on that level, my mind can't keep up. I mainly play red mage because of the ease of use and the flair. I didn't even know there was a concrete opener for it, despite reading guides. How does one safely practice openers in a realistic environment without royally messing up mechanics that are prevalent in higher tier activities?

[@WeskAlber]

The thing is, Openers happen BEFORE any mechanics come out. The first mechanic in most any given fight, is long after your opener has gotten out. From that point it's rotational practice. And your opener can vastly affect your rotation over an entire fight

[@lazengan2024]

@@WeskAlber exactly

[@808pitfallseed]

If you want to practice your opener in a real setting do stone sky and sea first and once you have it down to muscle memory take it into normal raids and once you can do it perfectly in normal raids take it to extreme then savage at a pace you feel comfortable with

[@akirachisaka9997]

In my previous static, my raid lead won't give me 30 seconds for an AST card. So yeah.

[@akirachisaka9997]

It's really just very very hard to change how some people think. Tried doing a countdown in a dungeon, healer gets angry and prepulled. So yeah.

[@WeskAlber]

Sadly. If it wasn't the last boss, that's the kinda person I kick

[@zuxua7162]

Watching this video in 2024 and seeing all the random stuff that is just... gone from a lot of jobs's toolkits is a weird experience. Still a good video though!

[@TheArnoldification]

I play with a friend who has mained PLD for like 6 years and he never waits to pull it's so frustrating that he doesn't understand the concept of openers lol

[@weebboi9457]

This was me for a while. Then, once I picked up AST and NIN, I realized how important it was to wait. Now I wait till everyone’s ready before the fight (unless it’s roulettes and the fight is easy as crap)

[@ntma]

"t-t-t-TOXIC Q_Q" lol

[@roease6674]

AST is just cry over cards spam malefic heal cry over cards oh divination! Rinse and repeat

[@lovelydumpling]

I'm not going to lie, it's stuff like this that makes me feel like maybe I don't actually like FF14. This stuff stresses me out immensely. The fact that you gotta do this this precise sequence of actions at a precise time and being even a second off throws you totally off sync is just not anything remotely close to something I would call "fun". I like learning the mechanics of the fights themselves, but as far as the rotations go? I absolutely hate them. They're a means to an end at best. (I should clarify, I do still make the effort. But it does stress me out.)

[@catherinel.rosewood2095]

So you’re telling me that it’s not worth it for me to actually try and get somewhere far in the game 🤔 I’ll leave those fights for people who can actually focus on what they’re doing then 😢😅 seeing as even after watching multiple videos on one dungeon for multiple hours I only managed to remember one single boss attack

[@trytoo5167]

As as a sprout I have no idea what youre talking about.

[@MrLee-qh2dk]

Yaaaaawn

[@dusergayne]

Elitist should just PF members so there’s an understanding that they’re looking for Elite players. DF-ing and expecting everyone’s an elite is toxic. Play with elite if you want elite clear but lower expectation when you’re playing with random people. At the end of the day, it’s just a game for a lot of people. I think by the time people try end game contents, they’d have seen opener videos already and have an idea how to do it anyway.

[@WeskAlber]

I think you missed the point

[@dusergayne]

@@WeskAlber i think you also missed my point. But it’s your view against mine.

[@WeskAlber]

@@dusergayne What is your point then? This isn't even a video about elitism

[@matsu1161]

@@dusergayne I've argued with someone who is a lvl80 blm that they shouldn't be spamming fire1 while fire 4 is a thing. Their main point was fire1 has a lower cast time. I understand playing the game however you want to play, but it is really frustrating for the healer and the tank to be spending their resource for an extra minute or two every single pulls, thus making a dungeon an extra 5-10 minutes longer because the average dps is so low

[@wadeslilson4385]

Learning an opener isn't elitist. Even as he mentions in the video, doing your opener improperly is still better than randomly doing your skills. It isn't that hard as a tank to just put up a countdown before the fight so people can get ready, nor is it too much to ask for people to learn a simple opener. Nowhere in this video does he say that everyone needs to be elitist, he's explaining why openers are important, to elite players, and even more so to casual players.