FFXIV Players are VERY MAD at Me for Skipping a Cutscene

[@XenosysVex]

Like this comment if you think Xeno has a "BALD take" in this video

[@GainHP]

The amount of drama you create from a healer strike to CS skips is hilarious

[@Masanian]

BALD

[@felisrising7160]

I actually fully agree with your take here. nobody is owed courtesy, courtesy is either given or it is not. But these people threw their hands up and abandoned the entire duty which is just silly. A lot of people just seem like they are entitled to play the way they want to play when everything is just what it is.

[@suarez6969]

@@felisrising7160 same the only cutscenes that really matter are those ones after completing the dungeon. Why are people so butt hurt about this.

[@aaronsound]

Bald, My Liege

[@OriginalRockCandy]

You know what happens when i watch a cutscene and someone pulls? I continue to watch the 10 second cutscene and join the group when it's done. It's not that deep. If they die, well...pull again lmao

[@Slybandito7]

the fact that this isnt a more common sentiment is so bizarre.

[@Eisenight]

Eh, its cuz they want to be right not doing what's right. That's the Internet nowadays.

[@hallo-mt5tx]

this is people getting irrationally angry about someone they already didnt like breaking an inconsequential social norm its like seeing someone you hate not holding open the door for the person behind them and calling them a horrible person for it thats the level of pettiness here

[@StormierNik]

Yeah, it's seriously not a big deal that something like that happened. I hold strong to the fact that xenos could have just fixed the situation, but the other people were being unreasonably petty. I've done that before too when im just running on autopilot, and im thinking of the OTHER people's time so i make sure to keep things smooth and go ahead. Only to look back and see one in a cutscene and go "Oh shit" but uh.. like normal people, they end up just joining anyway lol

[@FloDaddelt]

@@Slybandito7 not bizzare with mentally ill children.

[@VentusLionheart]

If a tank insta pulls and I'm in a cutscene, and by the time I'm out, the boss has lost 10% HP, great! Get me the F out of this dungeon as fast as possible. But I'm still watching my cutscenes at least once.

[@MeldinX2]

True. It's fine either way. Dunno why people get so darn upset about it. The worst case here is that the players that rush in die. And if that happens it's just a respawn and try again. Not a big deal.

[@porochu8871]

LOOOL legit Oh no they missed the raidwide at 10s while watching the cutscene 😢

[@Thasky_]

Aren't all the dungeos boss cutscenes literally the exact same with the camera panning over the path to the arena, panning then over the players, then showing the boss? I'm a cutscene skipper so I really don't know

[@crowevil4658]

@@Thasky_about 90% of them. Yes.

[@TheSzellin]

Absolutely based take. Hell yes.

[@Corvus7159]

Baldo turned not waiting 8 seconds into several videos of nonsense. Honestly I'm impressed with how much he can drag out content

[@AcidUsagi]

I mean lets be real. the people who did the 34 page forum thread, they give us the content. They didn't need to but they did.

[@Corvus7159]

​@AcidUsagi True, they certainly contributed. He could've easily avoided it to begin with but we all know he can't pass up the opportunity

[@AcidUsagi]

@@Corvus7159 yeah. But this is his job and drama sells so *shrug* i suppose

[@lynxcomplex3099]

@@Corvus7159 Local bald man does his job. Corvus surprised.

[@ExireHG]

Telling people to run a Trust if you watch cutscenes. Healer going full baby rage about it and hijacking the entire run. Both of these are L's but also separate things.

[@Paien75]

This lol

[@KallenFans1]

@@cablefeed3738 That isn't what happens. He was running and didnt notice they were watching the cutscene and died on his own. After coming back and everyone was done he did a ready check and they now refused to play with him because he pulled once on his own while cutscene was going. I think Xeno's take is fine as a healer main. If tank pulls while i'm watching i just join the fight when cutscene is done, it's really not that deep.

[@CyframerEX]

Yeah Xeno often misplaces people's reactions on things and doesn't realize that most of what people are discussing are his reactions and takes from the situation, rather than his original actions.

[@alexmaganda5827]

@@KallenFans1 excactly

[@skcans]

How is it an L to tell people to run trusts? The fact of the matter is people who are impatient have all the power in dungeons because there's no wall that prevents people from early pulling, it's a reality you have to accept. There's always a chance you'll run into impatient people in duty finder but you are 100% guaranteed to go at your own pace and can enjoy watching cutscenes at your own leisure with trusts. Square added trusts for this exact reason. You don't have to like or agree with their reasoning, but if they gave you the option to prevent yourself from getting "griefed" and you choose not to take it, that's on you

[@Xirtas]

Healer is a fucking drama queen. Shit happens, just wipe and go again. It's not that deep.

[@LightTheBlackMage]

It’s a healer player bro, healers always cry

[@CrimsonRayne]

@@LightTheBlackMage there are crap ppl everywhere, not just healer

[@karlongkar]

its baffling how it is always the fucking healer main in every drama.

[@LightTheBlackMage]

@@CrimsonRayne Yeah but it’s always the healers with a glorified sense of entitlement who cry first.

[@LightTheBlackMage]

@@karlongkar RIGHT???

[@AgentRood]

I don't really care if you don't watch the cutscenes. I just thought it was an L take that if the person you were with wanted to watch the cutscene, they should run with a trust. Edt: Also, I think the other guy flipping his shit was over reacting and stupid.

[@Nan0bo7]

L

[@captainziggy82]

You’re right lol

[@nightsgasp]

Yeah. In the dungeon the other guys were the asshole. But in discussing it afterwards, everyone was an asshole.

[@nedra.0808]

so fucking right

[@realnova1g]

Doing trust dungeons must be so sad lol

[@cblake7462]

I see very little drama over this kind of thing in the EU servers. It'll commonly go something like this: *tank pulls boss* Healer: wait for cutscene. Tank: My bad, I didn't notice. Healer: No worries bro. *duty continues as normal*

[@atheistium]

That’s how it should be. But this does happen on EU sadly

[@Rometopia]

I love Xeno and the healer was an ass but this is one hell of a strawman. You were saying things like never watch cutscenes and only watch them in the inn. Only watch cutscenes using trusts etc. Dictating how to play like the healer.

[@JustinK0]

watch them at the inn or do trust if you're going to cry when someone doesn't play the same as you haha

[@MitoDrium]

This is what happens if people that don't watch Xeno stumble on his videos or hear about one of his takes from somewhere. I've watched him enough to know what he meant was "If you're gonna complain about other people not waiting on you to watch the cutscenes, go play with trusts" He didn't say it like that, because that's how he is, and people like to take his exact words and then treat it as if he's trying to make is gospel (which he honestly should expect at this point) I like doing MSQ runs with people because the trusts are super fking slow, but i also don't wet my pants in rage when they start pulling before the cutscene is done. I just join the fight afterwards. And it happens rarely to begin with, it's a non issue and the healer made it one.

[@Brandon-gz9nx]

​@JustinK0 then do trusts if you want to skip cutscenes. See how horrible that argument is?

[@gnynt7799]

Just watch the cutscene and don't get assmad when the rest of the group pulls. The game gives you a teleport into the fight when you're done, it's NBD.

[@sildra4755]

Honestly I think this entire thing is being taken so unnecessarily seriously by everyone involved lmao

[@Zavitor]

Yet still being taken more seriously than Healer Strike.

[@linkaiser8709]

@@Zavitor Wait the healer Strike was supposed to be taken seriously?

[@Klaudiuszeg]

Including xeno who biched about someone watching cutscene

[@sildra4755]

@@Klaudiuszeg hence the “everyone involved”

[@misterfoss4220]

Did he forget what his L take was. "If you want to watch a cutscene play with trusts", thats an insane take imo. The party he was in was still toxic. But two things can be true.

[@ichsanelf]

From what I get fron Xeno's take, "if you want to watch the cutscene WITH THAT ATTITUDE(the healer)" yeah.. you need go with the trust.

[@NotTheWheel]

Not really toxic - when Xeno was mentally AFK griefing and apparently died three times before then. "I wasn't mad they let me die" like no shit you let yourself die. I probably would have finished the Dungeon but I think as a final F you to someone who was wasting everyone's collective time it's justified.

[@AwefulWaffle88]

@@NotTheWheel Bro that party was toxic. Mentally AFK griefing? This shit happens in 99% of parties, this is just the ONE time the party got pissed about it because they wanted to watch the cutscene. You know what? That's FAIR of them. But to hold the dungeon hostage is not only toxic, it's against ToS. The others wasted time. Not Xeno's fault. Xeno's 1 L take is that if you want to watch the cutscenes, do it in Trust. Beginning of content, I let everyone watch. If someone asks if they can watch? I let them watch. Two weeks after the content if no one says anything and I don't notice they're in cutscene, I pull. If I notice them in cutscene, I'll let em watch. But sometimes your brain just slips. That's not deserving of being held hostage.

[@v4lv0g4]

If you are so hard up to watch a dumb cutscene with a sprite swap then do it in trust. That is entirely fair. Not at all insane. Grow up.

[@NotTheWheel]

​@@v4lv0g4 It's been common courtesy for 10 years do it with normal living people. It takes 10 seconds. Now granted as a healer main I've always felt compelled to skip them so I can be ready for anything. For players like Xeno rushing in, because as a healer I keep people alive no matter what. For me it wasn't just the not waiting for the cutscene. By Xeno's own admission he was mentally AFK, pressing W and dying multiple times and only after dying to the final boss did he decide to do a ready check. By rushing in not paying attention Xeno wasted more time. To be surprised that people be upset is the ridiculous take. I don't think I'd have dropped the dungeon - I'd have been mad about it internally... but that shit happens. Now do I personally care or think Xeno is a bad person after the fact - do I hate him for doing this? NO - hell no. Do I think he was 100% in the wrong? Yes - because that's the culture we have and telling people to use trusts is the biggest fucking cope of all god damn time. And Xeno knows its a big time cope. He knows the culture, The culture is not - "If I want to experience the story, I play with trusts" He knows better to be respectful. Like this isn't a big deal, he doesn't need to double down, he didn't even need to tell the story. He's completely in the wrong.

[@jesser.3702]

"I'm not going to participate in this behavior." - The person holding the newb hostage in the dungeon for another 30+ minutes

[@Mann42]

Your only L take is saying that if you want to watch cutscenes, do the trust. No. I'm playing an MMO. Just because Yoshi-P is trying to turn the MSQ in a single player game doesn't mean I'm gonna be forced to play it that way.

[@pasteldreams5413]

this. also shitting on people who complain when people don't play the way they want them to while he's also complaining about people not playing how he wants them to. only L takes

[@AaronWOfficial]

100% agree, I just let people watch the cutscene its only 1 before the last boss and it lasts about 10 - 15 seconds not the end of the world.

[@neoh7939]

well but i do hope people understand that someone not waiting for you is not an offense

[@ExploringTheNebula]

Then don't complain when people don't wanna wait for your ass

[@Mann42]

@@neoh7939 Not at all, if the party wants to go ahead and pull and can function without me, that's totally fine. I think it's polite to wait, and I will for other people, but I've never complained if the team doesn't.

[@Harbinger421]

If he doesnt want to watch cutscenes he doesnt have to watch cutscenes. I watch them because i run content as a DRK with 2 friends and the one random DPS that joins us. I watch them once then never again.

[@davidepannone6021]

The fact he still doesn't understand why people called him out is hilarious lol. Most people (then obviously have brainlets) got mad about the "use trust if you wanna watch cutscenes" take, not the fact xeno skipped the cutscene and pulled lol.

[@avogel7937]

its still wild to me yall cope about this game having the best community in gaming.

[@gildias2556]

Lol true. They're mad someone on the Internet has a different opinion than them lol.

[@illusionaury]

100%. Would be the exact same situation as WoW if SE had the same approach as blizzard. Ffxiv community has a large number of forced compliance players.

[@Vioblight]

I agree. The community in general is great and respect people’s cut scenes. But yeah worse than that is how those other players reacted. I’m so glad my casual FFXIV experiences are never like this. I had one negative group once that ended up being friendly when I told them I used to play wow also lol. 😂

[@yourmomnom]

You must not be in many other games communities

[@puppetstudio4989]

Do people like you genuinely forgot how many people play ffxiv

[@Erekt0]

As a dark knight player, why did you get my job nerfed?

[@Talcor]

The community had a worse take, that forum is unhinged lol

[@MorryOnTheFence]

The L take was you saying that you should only watch cutscenes in Trust. The healer refusing to continue and abandoning rather than just getting the boss done was not a W.

[@juanroman71]

He didn't phrase it very well but after watching the whole video, I'm pretty sure he meant if you expect to watch vids and have people wait, that's what trust is for. Maybe still not the greatest opinion but as long as the tank doesn't die, I think it's fair.

[@meuanglao7]

@@juanroman71 That's exactly what he meant, and it's still an L take. Trusts weren't made for people to watch the cutscenes, they were made for people with anxiety and people who are running dps and don't want to wait for the queues.

[@juanroman71]

@@meuanglao7 *shrug* you are entitled to your opinion I guess. I for one do not find it that serious.

[@TheDeliveryMoogle]

Two L's telling people if they want to watch cut scenes they should do trust's and the second L being bald 🤣

[@meuanglao7]

@@juanroman71 1) that is literally why trusts were made 2) it's not that serious, but he's blatantly missing the point lmao he's wrong about something stupid and won't take the L and let it go

[@HeirkuGaming]

Same as other. The L take was telling people to go play with trusts to watch a 10 second cutscene in an MMORPG. I'll quote Xeno from other video. "Whenever you play with other people you have to expect that they are not going to play the way you want to play." And why is he exempt? He knows people watch cutscenes, he trying to expect them to play another way. But legit counter pointed himself the whole time, as he repeated that line in various forms a few times. (Most REASONABLE people dont care about the healer/dungeon drama just that bad take)

[@siyrean]

the L take was your rant about how everyone should skip cut scenes or play trusts, not that this toxic group was in the right. Everyone has pulled not realising a cut scene was going on, that group was being really shit about it. But saying people who don't skip cut scenes are in the wrong was the L take.

[@v4lv0g4]

But isn’t he saying that throwing a fit about the cutscenes is wrong? That reacting the way they did means they’re wrong? Waiting for the cutscene is a courtesy and always has been. The L take is being an asshole about not getting to watch it then flipping the table, not the guy who wanted to get on with it and was excited for the fight.

[@siyrean]

@@v4lv0g4 you may want to watch the video he's referencing. what people were upset about was his rant saying sprouts should use trusts if they want to watch the cutscene. the group he was in, everyone agreed they were acting like dicks.

[@gnynt7799]

​@@siyrean I watched that vid and I don't think he said you need to skip cutscenes. Afaik he just said don't get mad at people pulling. You can watch the cutscenes and pop in after it's done. You'll miss the name of the first raidwide damage spell but you'll see it four more times. Just don't expect everyone else to hold their game up for you.

[@imtired927]

He's right to say skip cutscenes in dungeons they do not matter at all

[@hogobogo3923]

so childish to not just play the video game after the party let him die. why do people take such offense over the smallest shit its not that serious

[@jboogiedtb]

Because its the most fake nice passive aggressive bullied kids grown up commmunity in gaming.

[@Geeker1337]

Real shit, I’m pulling everything off rip now 👍

[@feetpicburglar]

Because this community entity consists of fragile adults

[@Slybandito7]

Because of MY IMMERSION, i NEED to see that 10 second panning shot and see the boss do 3 Autos and a raid wide. Its TOXIC to make me miss such an important event

[@chelsthegameruiner8669]

​@@Slybandito7Yeah man, I gotta see the cutscene of a boss pouring himself a bowl of cereal, turning around, then roaring at me once he realizes his breakfast is interrupted

[@linkaiser8709]

I have always considered XIV players to be a community plagued by toxic positivity and downright twofaced individuals who are only leashed by the ToS and would explode into a hellhole much worse than World of Warcraft if the ToS banhammer wasn't looming over their head.

[@Corvus7159]

Completely accurate. Everywhere you go it's like walking on eggshells, be it casuals or hardcore players.

[@dylansetright3359]

I once had a healer straight up refuse to heal me as a DPS for the entire dungeon of The Vault because our tank pulled the first real mob pull to the ranged guy so we were hitting everything at once and didn't pull them to the Ninjas doton. We mentioned that we did it in a way where we were hitting EVERYTHING and that was enough for the healer to decide that I shouldn't be healed the rest of the dungeon now.

[@kellevichy]

@@dylansetright3359 Hope you reported them

[@coolyeh1017]

XIV players are like any other players. It is just that the GMs actually respond to reports and do ban people for overtly toxic behavior. Since the GMs do their jobs, the players cannot be toxic in game and take it elsewhere, which may be jarring comparing to the in-game to social media.

[@MichaSennin]

@@Corvus7159 nah, the eggshells are you. behave in casual content do whatever you want with the FC: its the same in WoW and FF alike. Also in case you didnt read it yet, the new WoW ToS is very close to the current FF AULA. Just so you clowns know :)

[@teknog8r]

he managed to cause a real healer strike

[@dusieqq]

is this content drought already xeno?

[@MaiaNetliss]

Yes unironically

[@TeemoTemosson]

@@MaiaNetliss He should farm Wuk Lamat hate for videos.

[@OldManInternet]

To be fair, it IS his most unliked video. It's probably interesting to him, even if you don't care lol

[@Gillian_FFXIV]

@@TeemoTemosson Real shit LMAO

[@TeemoTemosson]

@@OldManInternet This one will be a close second since he's gaslighting the people that said he had a bad take. People are annoyed because he said cutscene viewers should use Trusts and not queue with other players. It's fine to have that opinion, but generally speaking the community doesn't share that opinion. If he wants to skip cutscenes then he should queue with Trusts or queue with his audience.

[@goldmeistergeneral]

Intentionally holding a dungeon hostage is a reportable instance of harrassment and the healer was 100% in the wrong

[@IDC-P5GHD4Z8J7]

If the tank can pull when he wants then the healer can heal when they want.

[@Isaac31415]

​@@IDC-P5GHD4Z8J7doesnt work that way and you know it. You go as tank and dont want to tank? Go as healer and dont want to heal? Dps and dont attack? All reportable.

[@IDC-P5GHD4Z8J7]

@@Isaac31415 report it if you want. You nor the Gamemaster would be able to tell whether im sandbagging or not. Someone tried to troll in Aglaia and me and my friends made the next boss fight a living hell for it. Just listening to spotify and doing basic rotations. Its EZ. It do be working that way, buddy.

[@N0sdrinker]

Resetiing is so easy on FF that it should be a none issue. Yes he should have waiting the 15 sec for them to watch the scene, but after he dies once they could just finish the damn dungeon.

[@666stryder666]

"I'm a GNB main! Doubledown is wut I do!" I'm stealing this quote to put on my adventurer plate.

[@Staineless84]

I didn't downvote cos you pulled early, my downvote was on your take that "If you wanna watch the cutscene, run trusts." Nothing else in that video was an L :P

[@mizuhashitsunoka]

I only disagreed with his take that cutscene watchers should do Trust. That was the L take. As someone who caught up to the game in 6 months, I saw every single cutscene that I wanted, including alliance raids. There are assholes who do ready checks but pull anyway, but you get used to it. Sometimes the ready check means something, something it doesn't. But fr tho, don't expect every cutscene watcher to do trust unless they allow incomplete parties to enter combat with npc as well. It's just mildly annoying to miss certain portions of the boss, especially if i queued as a dps. Coz now i missed the window where i can offload all the skills without worrying about aoe. But the problem is immediately resolved if i queue as a tank. Go on, pull the boss ninja. I am sure you can do a fantastic job while the tank is busy in the cutscene.

[@antonytomas1]

"The best community in gaming"* *Unless you disagree with us about anything

[@troll5262]

To be a little fair the award it got wasn't for 'best community' it was 'best community *support*'. Then it got warped to remove the support bit. Then made into the GCBTW meme and just stuck.

[@MichaSennin]

its one person, clown.

[@ShibeX9]

Why did he blow up a hospital?

[@Ra7eNzTH]

😤💣💣💣🏥

[@valoreins]

the hospital refused his hair transplant surgery

[@Kugaine]

I'm pretty sure people are more upset about Xeno telling cutscene watchers to go do trusts and get out of public parties (the goofy take). This is completely separate from "dungeon ettiquete" which is appreciated but not required. Person throwing a fit in party chat towards Xeno and giving up is still dumb.

[@danferrusquia2819]

Normalize letting people have one bad take without jumping down their throat lmao

[@sirflimflam]

People being stupid doesn't erase his absolutely terrible take on "use trust if you want to watch cutscenes" that's still garbage even if the drama got out of control

[@sneaky7615]

FFXIV's community respect and follow term of service guideline when it's not support their argument challenge (Ultimate)

[@Akinon93]

those "before last boss" and "after last boss" cutscenes haven't even been a real thing since at least Stormblood, if not Heavensward. They quickly realized that always having players wait around in 5-10 min cutscenes would cause community drama, and there was basically no point for it since they could just play the big cutscene after leaving the dungeon. those players (healer especially) were being ridiculous and taking the game way too seriously

[@TheDireLynx]

the part being responded to isn't even the part people got upset at. can't wait for part 3 where xeno addresses the L take instead of the "what the fuck, did those toxic casuals really do that?" part.

[@dr.philfanfiction6778]

I skip all cutscenes. I never know where I am or what is going on. I know three things: MSQ symbol Hit bad guys Stay out of bad I’m just here for the combat and time with friends. To each their own. Some love the story and more power to them, but that isn’t me.

[@LotofNothing]

Most sane take o7

[@abilityup6734]

Imo the story's only worth it near the end or in the middle if there's a twist. ShB had the best and EW was ok. Most of the time there's just sooo much building it's a snore.

[@lck0ut348]

Fairly sane take That's pretty rare for a xiv player

[@LucasOliveira-cy1os]

Based

[@chelsthegameruiner8669]

I only wait for cutscenes to avoid people bitching at me honestly. I remember back in Shadowbringers, several months after Puppet's Bunker released, a tank was auto pulling bosses and everyone got on his ass for it and even threatened to report him. I said I'd pull early too since its 11 at night and the players threatened to report me then. I basically told them "what's stopping you? The fact that GMs will see its bullshit and likely suspend you for a bit instead?" They were silent the rest of that raid simce they knew I had no issue chewing them out. It was late, I was tired and not in the mood to watch a 10 second cutscene of the boss turning around ominously and unzipping their pants or something

[@dylansetright3359]

People get toxic if someone pulls early in Crystal Tower raids when 22 out of 24 have already done it

[@chelsthegameruiner8669]

​@@dylansetright3359Yeah. Like I get it's a courtesy thing but if it's late at night, I'm not exactly going to sit around (especially after multiple wipes) to watch a cutscene that holds no story value and only serves to make a boss look badass. Even then, the bosses don't feel badass. They're no Gehrman who stands up from his wheelchair and turns his curved sword into a scythe, or Morgot who turns his walking cane into a cool looking sword. Hell, they're not Artorius, who eats my ass out like a grape fruit in the morning with a bowl of Cheerios. I listed FromSoftware bosses specifically since there's a story to be told with each boss and their respective cutscenes. Artorius is a prime example with the Abyss having consumed him and breaking his arm (I think, it's been a long time). I look at FFXIV raid and dungeon bosses and shrug since they're nobodies that we'll forget a few minutes later

[@647586]

The first time i heard about you was people telling me I'm just a xeno fanboy when i complained about warrior on stormblood launch and i was like who the hell is that. Then i looked you up and was like this guy's funny as hell

[@MaiaNetliss]

Average WAR player experience tbh

[@hornet002]

Theres a reason you get a teleport in after 15 secs instead of locking out anymore Also the reason the important cutscenes are after the boss not before it these days

[@smileyxiii481]

The more FFXIV drama videos that watch, the more I realize how toxic FFXIV players are.

[@blueray222]

It's even worse when people still try to pretend that it's "the best community in any game". That era is long gone now that XIV has become the magnet for all the miserable WoW lifers who jumped ship, attention-seeking addicts, and people who gravitate towards things based just on what they're told is popular. You could say that claim was arguably true around the ARR-HW era, but nobody wants to abandon that kind of praise even if it's blatantly untrue now with the toxic/petty players half running the asylum.

[@dylansetright3359]

@@blueray222 lol i find the toxic people are often the ones who try to blame everything on EX WOW players. They just go oh its not our faults its theirs!

[@_alreph]

@@blueray222it’s most definitely not the WoW players, FF has its own unique mentally ill hugbox toxicity.

[@Jay-mx5ky]

​@blueray222 also your claim that heavensward/arr is the least toxic era of the game is crazy considering the amount of gatekeeping and the impatience people had for playing their job improperly.

[@ShadowNinjaMaster93]

My man, FFXIV is still leagues better than most other games out there.

[@AlchemicSoul]

Official XIV board is a goldmine, it's like the WoW board it's the actual definition of toxicity. It's been that way since ARR too, I admire the consistency.

[@578t7645uyb5]

The only thing you were wrong about is saying that Trusts are meant for story cutscenes, because if 2 or more people are experiencing a dungeon together for the first time they can't do a Trust together lol. You are absolutely wrong about that.

[@KRSx360]

I remember tanking in neir 3 and people got mad I pulled the last boss early on accident and everyone flipped out and the only reason I did was because i didn't know someone in another alliance had a cutscene + it's a 40m raid late at night so the last thing on my mind is "holy shit let's end this".

[@crackensvideo]

24 man's its toxic as shit if you pull and ONE PERSON is in a cutscene. Like, I got shit to do and so do 22 other people.

[@chelsthegameruiner8669]

Were you a mentor actually? I remember something similar happening in Puppet's Bunker and everyone got on the guy's case and threatened to report him

[@georgecameron4754]

Wouldn't that mean that "holy shit let's end this" would be the *first* thing on your mind? LOL

[@SocknGamers]

The time it took him to FIND the cutscene was longer than the cutscene itself. Man couldn't wait that long. Xeno, we both know why you think 8 seconds is a long time. And it's not a good reason.

[@ruily276]

You are acting like something important happens in the first 8 seconds of a boss being pulled.

[@voistar5387]

And the irony is he picked two dungeons cutscenes that actually are somewhat important. Vanguard shows that the commander is the corrupt sheriff from previous quests which sets up the mystery of what happened in the barrier with this guy being this heavily intergrated into the military after supposedly three days. And Origenics is the previously mentioned father of Nostalgia and her sister, so seeing what became of him is important. Even in his attempt to gaslight is crazed die-hard viewers about what exactly people were upset about in the previous video (which was telling people to do trusts if they want to watch cutscenes and saying that you are in the wrong for disagress) he still messes ul and self sabotages his arguement.

[@Lonewolfprime.]

You missed the big clue my guy: it’s the trusts sh!t you said during your rant. That was the main massive L take. The way that party handled it wasn’t right, but you weren’t any better. It’s just L city here.

[@imtired927]

No it isn't, people who get roulettes have shit to do and dungeon cutscenes have never mattered in the history of this game

[@Lonewolfprime.]

@@imtired927 It has been well established that people normally wait or apologize to first time cutscene watchers if they did bumrush. He’s playing an MMO and not taking into consideration how these other people wish to play. If anything, this guy should be doing trusts according to his logic. Did the party do good? No. However, he wasn’t any better by not communicating with them and choosing to throw a tantrum instead about them, and how he couldn’t just solo the boss with Dark Knight like he could on baby mode War. They’re not that long of cutscenses, and since this is a *story driven* MMO yes, some cutscenes *do* matter to the experience of that new player. If people “have sh!t” to do, then they should form their own speedrunning party or explain it to the party, or manage their time better if they aren’t considerate enough to do that. You sound like you’re a new player, as it’s common courtesy to wait for first timers as a form of simple courtesy.

[@imtired927]

@@Lonewolfprime. That's a lot of words just to say "I have no brain" OMG boss walks into the room, the most thrilling and important cutscene possible. Literally just go in and do the fight even if you watch it or not. Youre the kind of person no one wants to play with I can tell.

[@Lonewolfprime.]

@@imtired927 Did I say that I personally care if they charge in? No. So get your assumptions out of here. Also you’re the type to skim comments as well, it’s always the toxic ones that does this: I just noticed lol. I said that it has been established since old days that first time cutscene watchers are always given time to watch it usually, and if someone would pull, they would apologize or say they were going to. You are playing a MMO: not a single player game. Do I care if someone does it without no explanation? Not really, but expect to get sh!t for not being a team player. Already with the insults? Don’t bother responding back if you can’t give back a good argument.

[@hallo-mt5tx]

honestly, the worst part about this game is the part of the community that seems to just be proud about their fragility and delusions stemming from that like making up out of thin air that xeno is a wow player because wow player = bad, so that must mean xeno = wow player

[@chelsthegameruiner8669]

Yeah I was always confused about the WoW player hatred. Like I get WoW has its assholes but I come from the Destiny 2 community which is arguably worse so I'm used to it. Funnily enough, the nicest players I've met in this game were all former WoW players. Also, scratch the D2 community part, the PSO2 NGS community makes the D2 and WoW toxicity look like playground bullying. I kid you not, the PSO2 community is so deranged now that they'll actively try to run those critical of PSO2 off the internet. Syberbolt got it extremely bad where he was stalked online and falsely accused of predatory behavior. The stalker also filed false DMCA strikes (which is illegal) in the hopes of getting his personal information. I'd say PSO2 player is more of a bad omen than WoW player, since I could actually vibe with a WoW player. A PSO2 player would likely try to cut my throat if I spoke negatively about their game

[@FuyuYuki92]

Was the party overreacting? Definitely. Could Xeno simply have typed in the chat: "Sorry wasn't paying attention, let's go again" That might have solved the issue 😅

[@StarkBeaumont]

Xeno still missing that it wasn't about what happened (that group especially the healer was a Karen) but him saying "use Trust if you wanna watch cs"

[@kahome]

He is not wrong tho. If you really want to focus mainly on story trust is the way to go. Sometimes playing with other players means it won't go the way you want. As for me I use trust to level because the npc does more dmg than the average players in this game. Einstenien by far is the best dps I have played with in df dungeons lately, no joke 😂 Yoshi p and his team did a good job on trust this expansion. Ppl should use trust more.

[@Lonewolfprime.]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@kahomeHe isn’t though, that’s not why Trust was made. It was made specifically to counteract the insane queue times certain roles were having during that time period.

[@scruffopone3989]

@@kahome Sometimes people who do new content want to experience it with other people who are also doing it for the first time too. It's almost like it's a story driven multiplayer game. Or sometimes you just wanna shoot the shit with other people also doing the dungeon. Like the bare minimum to doing stuff in FF14 is glancing at chat and responding, even when you're autopiloting. And that really is the bare minimum.

[@Penumbra20]

Is anybody gonna tell him that this incident occurred in Vanguard, not in Origenics, so the second cutscene he watched as an example and said "Okay, this one actually has something going on in it" was the cutscene the party was watching, not the first one he referenced?

[@MaiaNetliss]

Theyre not telling him because the video is edited and that context happened on stream lmao.

[@Geeker1337]

Yeah I’m gonna pull off rip on any dungeon 💪

[@Slybandito7]

i mean its pretty irrelevant, that "something going on" was some rando saying 1 line of dialogue that was still incredibly short. Not a big deal

[@handles_are_idiotic]

jesus that's what you call "something going on"? no wonder throwing the name "Sollution 9" with 0 context in a discord server can get you banned. Y'all think everything is important

[@Astroastromancer]

Ngl the boss cutscenes in dungeons usually aren't even that important, so I personally wouldn't care if somebody pulls early, though I do feel bad when I accidentally pull and I'm on autopilot

[@Minizor27]

there's a seemingly large sect of xiv's community that has a blatant disrespect for other people's time. not getting aggro, healing, etc. when something doesn't go according to an invisible script is rude to, at minimum, two uninvolved people. it's wild to me people would rather waste net double digits of minutes instead of simply using their words or sucking it up. really, what was lost if one person couldn't see two autos and a raidwide in the first 15s? ridiculous behavior lol

[@johntaylor9096]

I still don't know what's going on in story been skipping since a realm reborn and still love the game 😂😂

[@Locked_Character]

I watch all the cutscene and i couldn't tell you at all whats happening, bro 😂

[@sparc64]

SAME

[@syverah_nahja4047]

inb4 someone essays the entire plot

[@Kurainuz]

not a problem to skip. The problem is skipping and pulling the boss while people are on a cutescene. And when called about it geting angry, instead of just saying: "sorry bro didnt realize" and continue your day. The other party members did bad too escalating the situation, but "if you want to see cutescenes do trust run is a really bad take" Specially when the devs have warned some times that it bacame a common practise to not wait for the people in cutescenes during msq they would take measures to force it similar to castrum.

[@superjoran2899]

@@Kurainuz it's a close up on the boss bro its not that deep, and when it ends it's just like 5% less dmg, people act like the boss is insta killed

[@gordonjackson4040]

I’ve leveled 6 jobs now to max mostly through DT dungeons. My groups have always waited for first time cutscenes and my experiences have been super chill. 😅 10-15 cutscenes seconds really ain’t a big deal for either side. They’re a minor annoyance at most like a stoplight that stays red too long when there’s no traffic.

[@VentusLionheart]

People always complain about the hardcore players being toxic, but really, 90% of the time, it's the casuals being toxic by setting some arbitrary rule that everyone MUST follow. Otherwise, they start yapping more than Wuk Lamat and make an iceberg out of ice.

[@esko911]

this 100%

[@MeldinX2]

I think in all fairness. No one can stop people watching the cutscenes. And no one can stop people from rushing in. But if you rush in and die then you can't be upset. But you should not be upset that you did not wait either. It's just a death it's not even a big deal. It's just respawn and retry.

[@SageTigerStar]

My fave experience so far was doing Praetorium, I was on SCH and my tank was a Lalafell dressed as Mario. They somehow got out of the cutscene just before Nero (without logging out and back in), and they entered the arena and pulled while me and the 3 others were still stuck. They typed "oops" in chat, but we were nowhere near coming out of it, and then they announced "Hello? I'm Dying." and I, still in CS with the others, told him im not gonna perform the skip just to run down that hallway and hope I can save him and he said I was griefing because I was the healer and needed to do my F***ing job. Since I was curious, I asked how he skipped the CS without logging out and he said "not my fault your rig is trash." like...bruh, that makes no sense (and we did clarify that he had it ENG dialogue, so it wasn't a regional thing). XD So anyways we vote kicked him cuz he actually got pretty toxic towards me and the DPS didn't like it, so *they* were the ones who started the vote, haha.

[@cattysplat]

@@SageTigerStar They lied because saying you skipped cutscene in MSQ is reportable.

[@veemon9009]

ngl, any time a player plays a way that you don't agree with, not participating out of spite is a negative for everybody. you escalate the situation instead of just ignoring it and moving on, its petty and counter-productive. while i do agree that i personally would let people watch the cutscenes before fighting the boss, if someone chooses to go ahead, it's best to salvage the situation and get it all over with.

[@BlindShadow17]

The healer in the dungeon should go on strike to get back at Xeno.

[@MymmikCosplay]

people bullying a tank for pulling early would ruin my msq experience more than the tank pulling early and dying and just having to reset when I was out

[@realKiraMG]

About 1 day after Xeno posted the vid on KZbin I did the 2nd or 3rd Dawntrail dungeon. The tank ignored the last cutscene and pulled, so I missed the entire first part of the fight. When I said "cmon man, it's like 10 secs", he responded with " If u want to watch cutscenes, do trusts", so I told him if he wants to skip them, he should do trusts. Meanwhile we kept killing the boss, and then moved on with our lives at the end, though it did kind of ruin my first run of it. It's pathetic to see that people are looking for someone's approval to be assholes (like how this dude watched Xenos' video most likely, latched on to 1 thing that he said on that vid and kept repeating it like a parrot to prove his point)

[@dylansetright3359]

All you probably missed was a few autos and a raidwide lets be real. Any real mechs aren't until about 30 seconds in and you were very likely in there by then

[@realKiraMG]

@@dylansetright3359 Funny thing is I zoned in and the boss was at 10% HP and I was like wtf, why is this over? But there was a phase 2 thankfully ye I don't care that much, I cared more about some elitist attitude that he showed later but it's not worth anyone's time. Just always baffling how people's minds work.

[@scruffopone3989]

"Do trusts if you wanna watch cutscenes", counterpoint, do trusts if you can't be bothered to wait like 30 seconds for the sake of other people enjoying content. It's a MMO, of course people are inconsiderate towards people who can't be bothered to do teamplay.

[@tyty8484]

The only time Xenos legit *UPSET* me is when he was playing the end of EW and probably browsing reddit or some bs. And then Zenos was dialoguing ABOUT XENOS SPECIFICALLY AND THE WHOLE THING WENT RIGHT OVER HIS *BALD ASS HEAD!!!* sorry, i'm ok

[@dylansetright3359]

Can't blame him at that point it would have been the two thousandth Zenos monologue at that point

[@maximumkorb]

I'm with Xeno on this - don't waste other people's time. That's it.

[@Boredum]

Genuinely insane how people are pulling off this level of mental gymnastics for a DUNGEON. IN. FF14. A FUCKING DUNGEON. The important cutscenes don't even start up TILL YOU LEAVE THE FUCKING DUNGEON.

[@zekego]

There is a couple that are very long, in particular Aerochemical Research Center has a lore impacting and long cutscene in it. The biggest reason people criticized him though was telling people to do the trust to see cutscenes, effectively telling people they should never watch any cutscene in a dungeon with people in it.

[@bankai7623]

I love msq but some ppl play the game with out caring for the story and thats okay.

[@omarrich8546]

is not about the cutscenes is about Telling people to run a Trust if you watch cutscenes. is that hard to uderstand what the L take was??

[@asteroidxarmageddon2354]

"Dark Knight was severely overtuned for 60% of Endwalker" Wasn't Dark Knight the best Tank to have in a party composition in Omega Ultimate?

[@jf4156]

This is why I do everything as warrior

[@AmaterasuSlash]

I havent watched a cutscene in this entire game. Im slamming escape soon as the screen cuts.

[@TheIceLurker]

I’ll never understand why people get upset at pulling early in dungeons. This isn’t EX where you need a whole pre-pull prep strategy and countdown. Just fucking pull the boss the first 30 seconds is auto attacks and an aoe.

[@dylansetright3359]

@@luckytanuki5449 that aint happening in DT, SHB or EW the cutscenes are too short

[@zekego]

@@dylansetright3359 Aetherochemical Research Facility is still in the game. Lore cutscene and super long to the point you will miss most of the boss if party pulls. That said, the real bad take was telling people to do trusts instead of even queueing with others if you want to watch cutscenes.

[@dylansetright3359]

@@zekego that ain't happening in SHB, EW or DT or did we miss that part?

[@zekego]

@@dylansetright3359 The only thing I missed is that these instances are removed from the game now.

[@yinkirsey5450]

Didn’t think anyone would care about the dungeon cutscene’s. Thought it was alliance raids only

[@Klaudiuszeg]

Dungeons are now part of the MSQ, there are no longer stand alone content

[@1241-c4e]

the "casual" side of ffxiv is so toxic and annoying cry babies that are bad at the game

[@Spiritchuckpvp]

I've said it once and I'll say it again: The most toxic and elitist players are always the casuals. Skip cutscenes? "You're a piece of shit how dare you". Clear and ultimate raid? "Tryhard no one cares". Ask the DPS nicely to use AoE buttons in dungeons? "You don't pay my sub". Putting effort into being better at this game is met with ridicule, which is crazy.

[@aSaiyan_Cloeku]

I just watchingZ the bald dad cause he play WAR for like just a few more days than I do though. 🤷🏽

[@zydeox1221]

So, the game is marketed as a story game, it's a multiplayer game. To watch a cutscene in a dungeon with other players is to basically to do what this game is marketed as... How do you tell anyone to go play with trusts if they want to experience story? I fundamentally disagree with this mentality. Massive Bald take.

[@atheistium]

Playing with trusts is better imo if the story is super important to you. Set your own pace and the npcs often talk too

[@amethonys2798]

If you play for the story you should do trusts anyway.....the NPCs constantly banter and talk throughout the dungeon adding "immersion" or whatever.

[@Cocytus127]

Xeno is right about everything in this scenario. Nobody is entitled to waste the time of somebody else, ESPECIALLY when they don't even complain to you about it and even accommodate you.

[@Blazephoenix213]

I love when players break TOS trying to "serve justice" like you pull, you tank. It just baffles me how so many think this is okay, not participating IS causing grief.

[@mellamojd]

Looks toxic, smells toxic

[@thatoneguyffs]

I skipped all DT cut scenes.

[@Vincent-nl4wc]

I skipped must of dialogues of level 92 to 95 of msq and a FC member skipped msq just to get to extreme as soon as possible XD

[@thatoneguyffs]

@@Vincent-nl4wc I just don't got time well I do but I dont want msq to take 6 months to get through.

[@Munushew]

Ah yes Xenos, my favorite WoW player

[@Magflyer]

It actually makes sense to go trust if you want to experience the story and watch cutscenes in dungeon. The NPCs give voiced reactions in parts of the dungeon when running on trust. So if you're really keen on the lore or story, trust is the best way to experience it. The last boss cutscene doesn't even give anything to the story and just highlights the last boss.

[@nobodyknowme9317]

what a great community this game has

[@wildheaven1827]

You play the trust if you dont want to wait for other players.

[@kahome]

I use trust to avoid players like them. Yall, trust is so much better now. You want to spam dungeon to lvl? Use trust because they'll do more dps than your average ffxiv players and won't get hit by mechanics *sometimes.

[@atheistium]

@@kahometrust is so good. No drama, no shitty DPS or AFK healers, no crying over pulling bosses “early”.

[@juliusthompson4794]

It just ain't that serious.... I can't trip on no pre-dungeon final boss cutscene. They literally just seconds... At the same time, I ain't gonna go some abandon the tank cause they were in they zone and pulled. Its dungeon content.....supposed to be pretty chill anyway.

[@Kurainuz]

I agree with a lot of thing specially on balance with Xenos, but not on this one. Cutescenes are short and people like to enjoy them mostly on first time, we even get bonus things from helping people on their first time on a dungeon. If people had this atitude of skiping without cheking for the other members we will get a lot more castrum situations or just be in jail like when a dungeon starts until everyone watches it

[@williamsmith9297]

To be fair to Xeno they can watch the cutscene, all they miss out on if the boss gets pulled is a couple of attacks. There really isn't a big factor that they miss while they watch the cutscene if the tanks wants to pull on auto pilot.

[@VentusLionheart]

Or get this? Watch your 5 second CS and then join the fight. And then on your next run skip the 5 second CS to fight the boss 5 seconds earlier. Congratulations, you have now seen everything! You are are welcome!

[@Kurainuz]

@@VentusLionheart its a very short cutescene, you can just wait for the rest of your party and not make someone enter a bossfight with some mechanics already past the "turorial" they show the first time they are used. This is why people have the opinion of a lot of tanks having main character syndrome and i said that as a main tank since arr

[@Ty_Jac]

Bro just watch the cutscene then join. Its rly not that deep. No one is obligated to wait for cutscene watchers. Like are we srsly acting this way over a goddamn 15 second cutscene? The situation is such a basic nothing burger you see daily in r/TalesfromDF and yet this community is getting this riled up over it and have to overanalyze to find excuses for the other 3 party members to 1. Let xeno die 2. Shit talk him and 3. Reject him wanting to go and finish the dungeon. Is this srsly how bored you guys are?

[@VentusLionheart]

@@Kurainuz You are stretching. You're talking about a problem that literally does not exist. A dungeon's cutscene is at max 30 seconds, most are like 10 seconds. In that 10 - 30 seconds, the only thing you're missing is an aoe. Some tanks are just on go mode when they enter a dungeon and doesn't check chat of the party list. Refusing to participate in a fight because the tank early pulled is way worse than early pulling, not to mention against the TOS. TLDR; just watch your CS, and enter the fight. It's not a big deal.There is absolutely zero reason to this nothing into a something.

[@-FrenchToast]

endless engagement farm. spoiler, he doesn't actually care about the "want to watch cutscene = run trust" thing.

[@robvog8011]

I did the entire story (with exception of the final trial) with duty support so I could enjoy the story without being rushed. The bonus for that is that I do not have to hold up the party when I am doing roulettes since I have the setting enabled to skip cutscenes I have already viewed. When the raids come out I will watch the cutscenes regardless if the raid starts immediatly or not. I'll simply join the fight when the scene is over.

[@FearedKamil]

Well good news for you is that typically raid cutscenes are when you enter instance, or leave instance. Which means the party can't start the fight til you're done the cutscene

[@robvog8011]

@@FearedKamil There is always a cutscene before the final boss. Happens pretty much every day on roulette where some raids wait and others do not, especially crystal tower. I'm sure the new 24 man raids will have cutscenes as well before the final boss.

[@lolazox3]

it's funny to search the fflogs of ppl on the forums

[@kumoko3728]

this is what im doing rn lmao LMAO PERSON WHO MADE THE POST HAS NOT A SINGLE PARSE ON THEIR NAME

[@N0sdrinker]

His voice inflectional on "he dies" was so fucking funny. Why say mean things?

[@zealous404]

I don't think people are mad at you for pulling ahead I think people are mad about the points you raised in the video outside of the dungeon incident (where the healer is equally at fault too)

[@Renekin93]

It's a fucking zoo out there. People talking about rudeness because some other people start a nothing fight while they are watching a boss scream (without sound) with a shitty filter.

[@MegaDarkness5000]

One day there will be patch that will come along and lock the final boss room for dungeon and alliance raids until all cutscenes are finished. That day will be amazing.

[@hkoizumi3134]

Mind you, this is the guy that used to yell at people for watching cutscene in Praetorium and telling them to watch it at the inn on replay. After all, that is what it's made for right? Because of people like him is why Praetorium cutscene is unskippable on both trust and duty finder. He needs to learn that this is a story based game whether he likes it or not. He is the minority on this so he is the one that needs to yield. And more than anything, it's a common courtesy. This is coming from 7 years of story skipper. I still respected the people around me because I knew better.

[@Zkid531]

"I heard it from another guy so it must be true" is kind of a big problem in America right now lol. Not surprised at all that it applies here also

[@TNTspaz]

God. I can't believe the FF14 community pretends they are like an actually good and nice community sometimes. Literally got people on the forums have hissy fits over this

[@cyanmage1]

if you pay attention on the forums is mostly the same few people saying the same things its hardly any sort of indication of the actual way the player base feels

[@yoitesuoh6157]

Uhh... people weren't pissy on the last video because of your early pull. In fact most people agreed the healer was being overdramatic letting you die and vote abandoning. People just disagree on your take about trusts. Letting people watch cutscenes has been a common courtesy since like heavensward, so don't get surprised if people are annoyed about you early pulling. Also you literally can't use trusts if doing dungeons for the first time with a friend, which is obviously going to be very common in an expansion release. That was the L take, people are not supporting the healers actions. People are just not supporting your general reaction and your take on Trusts.

[@mariovssonic184]

my thing is why didnt they just vote kick Xenos ass out lol, instead of vote to abandon and do the whole thing over lmao. I agree he should let people watch cut scenes, but the way the group handled it was beyond dumb and honestly came off just whiny.

[@abilityup6734]

Oh because they need to scold him like a lititle child since they have no power or anything at all going IRL.

[@Golden_keyboard]

@abilityup6734 but again, why vote abandon instead of vote kick lol???

[@lunaticmode638]

@@Golden_keyboard probably cause it would be an unjust vote kick which is actable on by the ToS. FFXIV players are very scared of the ToS

[@kellevichy]

@@lunaticmode638 They were already against TOS though for greifing him via refusing to heal him. Easily reportable.

[@chelsthegameruiner8669]

​@@lunaticmode638Basically yeah, it's why I rarely speak or joke in chat now. Not trying to start a new account because someone got upset by my existence

[@Bluuedream]

I very rarely notice people type in chat during a dungeon, maybe cause I also play gunbreaker 🤷‍♂

[@tomvanramshorst2146]

Bro really pretending that people dislike him not having watched the cutscene. That wasnt the point of it and he knows it.