FGO can NOT Keep Up

[@ChaldeaGurus]

BIG thank you to Soberoni and Justin for coming on with me! I think discussion like this is healthy. If FGO is maintaining for money, I accept it but am sad about it. Fate deserves more than to just be attached to dated rpgs. But what do YOU think? Comment below and we can talk about it all ya want! I'm interested to see what you have to say.

[@MomijiHVods]

One of the biggest points of comparison to FGO in terms of “older games keeping up with modern gachas” is granblue and the difference In adaptation is night and day. Even though it’s a browser game it now has a comprehensive tutorial that crash courses you through the game’s systems, gives you a 5* character for each element, one limited of your choice and has been keeping up with modern games in terms of QOL. The biggest sign of FGO showing its age for me is how long it takes to upgrade a servant in FGO. You can’t ascend a servant all at once, you need to alternate between leveling and ascending, but games like HSR and Genshin that also do that don’t have you navigate slowly between the same 4 menus for 5 minutes, and if you run out of a material while ascending or leveling skills, and you have login tickets or pure prisms, you can’t click on the material you need to shortcut yourself to the shop to grab them, you need to back out of ascension, go into the shop, buy them there, then back out, then back into ascension and that was like 8-10 menus right there just to exchange for 1 mat. It’s a lot and needs some ways to speed up the process.

[@alainblandi2885]

For new players, FGO is carried by its name? Yeah. But at the same time, it is a franchise that's not stagnant, they keep making new games, manga, anime... and every release feeds FGO more people. All being said, FGO's story continues to be unbeatable in the gacha space, and the art style (at least on the updated sprites and the arts) is quite timeless. Honestly, i'd hate if they made a 3D game of FGO2.

[@billdecou242]

Yea I'm hoping they just go the L2D route with their next gacha. It wouldn't even have to be fate, could be KnK or Tsukihime or go totally wild and make a new IP and get cameos from the other franchises.

[@ryrin6091]

The story is brought up a lot as the strong point but even this I would like to call into question. Again let's think in terms of what a new player will encounter. Hours of story that is anywhere from decent to mediocre to outright bad. If a new player manages to get through that they finally get to Camelot, Babylonia, and Solomon. Those are very good story chapters, but getting to that point is a tough sell. Especially when you consider the grind required to do so unless you use very strong friend supports. Epic of Remnant is hit or miss. Lostbelt is pretty consistently good but the amount of text to read goes way up. Then there's the actual experience of reading. It's really bad by VN standards and FGO has more than enough text at this point to be considered a VN. Only two lines can be displayed at once and it will regularly push lines off the screen which forces players to press the log button if they miss it. This may seem like a small thing but this is a persistent issue that you're asking a new player to tolerate for 100+ hours of reading. It's not a comfortable or welcoming experience. People say FGO's story is great, but the actual experience of playing and reading that content is nearly impenetrable for new players. It's a very tough sell which I know because I've tried to sell people on it. The ones who try bounce off of it pretty quickly. Usually landing on Star Rail or Genshin.

[@alainblandi2885]

@ryrin6091 but there isn't much you can do about that part. They can't just delete the first bad chapters and the story is still ongoing.

[@Hansen_0101]

3D style with the same type of gameplay would be soooo cool kinda like pokemon. I disagree to keep it being 2D especially since the highlight of the game is the character.

[@alainblandi2885]

@Hansen_0101 personally, i think that the art in fgo is one of the best things of the game, love the variety of artists they have and the multiple art styles, a lot of that is lost in 3D. And 2D can still be super charming, it just needs a better way of presenting it, being closer the the characters, maybe like Darkest Dungeon UI coupd help.

[@MrBrawl43]

If I have to put it into terms I can understand. FGO is the LeBron James of the gacha league. In its 9 years, it was considered the best. Even when it switched teams. Now, it’s still one of the best however, you got the new guys drafted to the gacha league and they are getting wins over FGO and their team.

[@ChaldeaGurus]

Well put, actually! I like that~ ^O^

[@foualter102]

this is a great analogy, love this one.

[@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec]

You may have to convince the Japanese customers they want an FGO 2/ different gameplay Fate game

[@Flaris]

I think the premise is just silly. Just because something has gotten old doesn’t make it worthless. FGO needs to continually seek to improve where it can. But it doesn’t need to compete or keep up with games released right now. I feel like people just want to be hip and with the cool new thing. Sorry that you’ve gotten invested in an old franchise. But here it is. FGO is here and not going anywhere. FGO 2 isn’t going to happen anytime soon. And that’s the only way it is going to “compete” with games like Honkai. It’s fine to want different experiences or gameplay types. No one is held hostage to keep playing FGO.

[@billdecou242]

I do think they could modernize the game though even within the confines of it being an older title. Lower pity closer to the standard of 20 multis (similar to Blue Archive spark system) and not being a one time only would be big for it I feel. Hopefully they give us the new account binding for anniversary too for NA, there is no realistic reason it could not have been done (even if it was linked to Google or Apple ID) years ago. As for an FGO 2, I kind of think Nasu might be cooking something up and make it another IP. Maybe as an SRPG an action game would be cool too but think they will stick with turn based.

[@ryrin6091]

Well it's not continually seeking to improve and hasn't been for years. It's a 9 year old gacha game with 2015 phone game DNA at its core. Of course it can't be Star Rail, but they can do a whole lot more than they're currently doing which is basically nothing. People have to stop making excuses for it. FGO is a very very tough sell currently. It's nearly impenetrable for new players. No one said it's worthless. And yes actually it should be trying to keep up with new games. Like why shouldn't it? Why should it coast along content to fall behind? They could do better and we should expect better.

[@numberhunter62]

Gameplay wise FGO isn't bad, it's actually got some depth if you look into it, but the problem is for the most part you're doing the same thing over and over again when farming. The biggest problem is you can't really do anything with your Servants except send them in to battle. The story is great but in between those story releases there's essentially nothing to do. It especially sucks that you can't replay story fights. If they did some sort of compatibility with the new game allowing for you to use save data, transfer code, or something like that to move/unlock your FGO units into the new game then there shouldn't be much issues with FGO players.

[@joshuamoore9875]

A single player offline turn based rpg fgo game for consoles would be perfect.

[@ShadowEliteHD]

FGO is extremely dated. The problem with overly successful gatcha game is that there's no real end in sight unless the money starts falling off badly. If they shut down FGO for FGO2 for example people would be livid because all the money they dropped on FGO.

[@cortomontagnon5625]

They should just reboot the game at this point

[@Yunglex313]

And still some developers find valid reason to do it. Cygames is making an expansive reboot of Shadowverse, despite it being one of their two most successful gacha game franchises in the last decade, granted they have more reasons for expanding, which primarily tie back to the fact that they have been extremely successful at bringing in new players to very hostile high speed competitive card game, when the new guys are just really learning the game, where as FGO has always been very new player friendly in being able to complete content with non premium character's and easy to perform without the newer servants and there is no real competitive style of play. But the thing is, FGO is in need of some new ideas, and there is a lot that can't be done with FGO's infrastructure.

[@randypc1]

I say it would depend on how they went about it. One of the reasons why many continue with FGO despite its many flaws is that it help funds Type-Moon's other projects. If they kept FGO as an offline only, allow replay of main story, I believe players would be largely understanding. After all, eventually every gacha will eventually have to come to an end. Even better if we can somehow port servants over, but that is never going to happen.

[@LordAshura]

FGO probably accepts that they can't really get new players anymore. Why invest more money when there is no growth to be gained from. They probably gonna coast until the game can't make enough to stay open.

[@Kumire_921]

It gets new players every year wdym, last year Samurai Remant + collab brought a wave of newer players.. that's their strength. If during the anniversary they announce a new anime/game there you go, more players will come.

[@potato2097]

3d but retain the turn based battle! And new players and retaining them is quite hard. How long does fgo can stay this way, are they just going to just hope the whales keeps whaling? With little new players. Been recommending fgo to friends but in the end they leave..

[@foualter102]

im a FGO player since day 1 (NA version), and i have tried those open world games, but in the end, the one that i am still playing is FGO, and the reason is that those open world games need to be grind that much for those materials, and as a working adult already its hard to continue gaming after work, thats where FGO comes in as i can casually play it whatever i like...

[@orpheusnanaya]

I feel that there is nothing wrong with the discussion that FGO needs to at least improve on the game. It doesn't need to be like other gacha games, it just needs to make the experience better as you continue so newer players if they jump in later have an amazing time as it isn't just the same. With FGO as the only gacha game I played originally I was fine with the simplicity. Now that I've played other games that try to improve on the game mechanics or make units that really change it up, I've been hoping FGO would do the same. I'm not really sure how to go about it but something needs to change outside of just releasing units that we've been asking for when their profits dip

[@0niJames]

14:30 "I don't think FGO has a moment like that" There's several moments when the gameplay merges perfectly with the tone the story is trying to convey Camelot: vs Gawain Camelot: vs LArtoria Babylonia: w/support Gilgamesh with special dialogues vs Tiamat Goetia LB1 vs Ivan the Terrible with fucking Des Irae playing in the background LB4 w/ support Super Karna vs Arjuna Alter LB5 vs Demeter LB5 vs Zeus LB5 vs Wodime LB6 vs Cernunnos LB6 vs Oberon LB7 vs ORT But agree those feel like scarce moments where the game merges gameplay + music + story + characters and come VERY late. Still, I haven't felt any emotions like I've felt with FGO in any other gacha game. This fucking game and its god damn storytelling, the gameplay doesn't deserve to have a story this good. But that's Type Moon for you.

[@ChaldeaGurus]

So when I mean by there wasn't a moment like that. I meant early on. Even in that example I mention Solomon moment with Goetia. But that takes a lot of investment. There needed to be more of a hook earlier in the game's story.

[@fsdaru4083]

Fgo is my fave gacha, but it is sad that the gameplay that gets old af, or the fact the rng mega farming gets old as its a monotonous time sink. I adore FGO, but I gotta agree with you guys, FGO 2 or something similar with arcade's type of system/resources would make fgo more on the limelight.

[@creaturetransylvania8943]

I really don't understand this mindset,all things become monotonous if you keep doing it constantly. This will not change simply because different sort of gameplay.

[@ryrin6091]

@@creaturetransylvania8943 I mean that's just not true. Clearly some games' gameplay has more depth than others and some games have systems in place to mitigate the grind. It's ridiculous that FGO is 95% farming and yet doesn't have an auto-battle. HSR is not only more fun and satisfying to engage with in the moment to moment gameplay, but it has an auto-battle so that you don't sit there and loop the same node 4 times in a row doing the exact same thing every single time. If you can't imagine all the ways FGO could clearly be better and more fun to play then you're just not even trying.

[@creaturetransylvania8943]

@@ryrin6091 I'm not lazy. I want to play,not watch. Also heads up don't exaggerate when talking to me,that stuff really pisses me off.

[@creaturetransylvania8943]

@@ryrin6091 I doubt we'll reach a agreement,you are attracted to the new shiny & can only feel appeal with immediate dopamine. We are very different mindsets,so agree to disagree,it shall be just left at us seeing the other as illogical.

[@dippnachos056]

I think there's a reason why JP version has the Lasengle Account. This is because the company can backup the data of the players once they are sure to make a sequel to FGO.... And I'm pretty sure, and this is a hot take, that FGO will be ending sooner, in terms of its story and the direction. Like look on their latest collab (not rerun), Aoko and co. are probably the last major collab that they will get outside the Fate "canon" verse (just correct me if there are still some more franchise of Type-Moon but I think now that the game has the 4 heroines of each respective franchises, they will now stick to more Fate-related collab like Strange Fake etc.)...

[@ChaldeaGurus]

I believe once FGO arc 2 ends, it'll probably lead to a FGO 2 if there is one. It still makes a ton of money so I don't see it FULLY ending without something. a sequel or something.

[@gudakoalter]

you know what would be amazing... remake FGO in a modern style like in star rail. FGO is one of the inspiration of star rail so why make an FGO game with star rail aesthetics. it doesn't have to be as extensive like the dungeon crawling map but it's a start. imagine a remake of a story with voice and music like in the anime, rewrite storylines like in the manga, see 3d or live 2d models of our FGO husbandos and waifus.

[@EvaFuji]

Personally I started playing FGO because of its story and not the gameplay but I'm okay with that. The age gap is too great to compare it with more recent games. I don't think your take is unreasonable but the stance FGO holds on its development is not either. It's 9 years old after all, to compete with those other games they would need to make a new FGO. Basically trying to compete is pointless for them even if they could (which they can't) they wouldn't want to. It's like trying to renovate a house from 60 years ago and trying to sell it. It's not worth it nor will it sell, your only true option is to build a new one.

[@ChaldeaGurus]

Only problem with your example is people would buy a house from 60 years ago, renovate it and try to sell it. And someone would buy it too! :o Though I get what you're saying. It's why FGO 2 would be a good option! =)

[@ahoyforsenchou7288]

"The age gap is too great to compare it with more recent games." From a gameplay perspective, maybe. From a market perspective, well, the market waits for nobody. The comparison with new games HAS to be made because new games are what will kill it if it doesn't acknowledge them.

[@EvaFuji]

@@ChaldeaGurus oh well I wouldn't lmao earthquakes don't care about renovations

[@jkosch]

I doubt there will be a new FGO before the Ordeal Calls and the finale of the current plot arc are through. Which mean I think it will be at least a year.

[@ElEscolta]

It honestly baffled me how they had a perfect way to make something new with Arcade but now its been pretty much abandoned, that could of been a perfect way to capitalize on something like Genshin hype but the fact its arcade only pretty much killed it

[@wilton1990]

So something for me is I'm a Canadian playing both FGO, and another game like Arknights called Path to Nowhere. Amazing game, love the story, the characters, Shantae's VA tells Albert Wesker's VA to call her Daddy, Fun times. But the thing tht keeps me continuing to play Path to Nowhere More consistently than FGO, ESPECIALLY now that the Cobalt Apples are out and I can just spam save those and only use enough AP to do enough weekly missions to just... not play and get my 3 SQ... is that PtN is also A LOT cheaper. I recently did the math and if I want to save enough enough Cubes in PtN to at least hit Pity (which is at 80 pulls and you barely reach even THAT high sometimes) Then it's roughly 30 bucks a month for the Battle pass that lasts 50ish days and the Black Key daily bonus for cubes and Stamina. If I want to reach pity for a new Servant in FGO because my luck is just that bad... It'll cost me 698 Dollar (Again, Canadian) to make sure I get just ONE copy of a Servant... that's not taking into account if I wanted to get more NP levels where it would probably end up costing me more because the rates are SO BAD with the CE pool mixed in with the Servants. FGO Needs to change or put better systems in place, or it's going to end up getting ditched to these games that don't make you pay nearly as much to get a character you want.

[@Kumire_921]

"Can't keep up", still on tops of the chart whenever they decide to press the "kill meme button" and release one long awaited character lol, see Aoko. As a fate fan i think most of us would rather see the money earned by fgo to be used elsewhere like a Fate Strange Fake full adaptation or Lostbelt anime. Hell, game is 9 years old and still has a better story than everything else in the market, it doesn't even have to be full 3D to compete against them. The only thing i want though is a proper PC client and real bind system , they have no excuses for that.

[@michealcummings9469]

@Kumire_921, so do you enjoy the FGO Pity System? Pity doesn't carry over and hard pity is 330 (for reference, R1999 Hard Pity is 140). They need to change that and no communication either (no dedicated Discord). They need to change.

[@brandondejesus8618]

Heres my hot take make a FGO fighting game made by arc system works would be 🔥, the amount of content they could dish out would be awesome. They have the potential to make it work especially with how Meltity Blood handled Saber, Ushi and Dante so a potential fgo fighting game would be a good way to expand the franchise.

[@moaz7760]

I wanna see this turning into a 4 hours podcast, but please invite Honako. He had a lot to say about this topic since the 8th anniversary ❤❤

[@The_Wolf_At_Your_Door]

Always nice to see a Guru video!

[@aizeroth8858]

FGO has always been a story focused game, so even if the gameplay is lacking people will still stick around. But now we are not even getting story. It took them 1 year just to get Ordeal Call 2 out which wasn't even anything crazy in the first place (not like LB5 6 or 7). It really feels like they are just stalling to get as much money as possible until the game eventually dies. Personally I will quit after LB7 because the next 2 years in NA look abysmal.

[@frelatrz9246]

I hope they cut the year gap ike in fgo kr but will see

[@ai-donogaming]

Three thoughts come to mind. First I agree with the sentiment that FGO is relying on the Fate title. Next, if FGO2 has the progress the players put into the game transfer from FGO to the new one, then I would support the creation of FGO2. If not, I would rather they either have a new Fate game or other Type-Moon project. One that doesn't have a gacha mechanic to it. Opting instead to have Season Passes, or other in game dlc purchases. Lastly, I may have missed It, but I don't recall the gacha rates in FGO in comparison to other games being talked about. Which I believe will be a bigger factor of whether or not FGO can stay relevant in today's gacha market.

[@ayumideck]

If an FGO2 comes, it wouldn't be impossible to allow classic players to transfer their Servants. I'm optimistically thinking that's why they finally did a proper account binding method. There's a Japanese gacha game called Tales of the Rays that is ending service this July, but it'll be the first gacha game to retain its assets and allow players to log into their accounts and play offline using a new offline app its devs are implementing. It's technically an App to app data transfer because the offline version of the app isn't even out yet. So yeah, FGO2 can happen without killing anyone's investment if Lasengle is tech savy enough

[@xanthosamoni2072]

I believe all good things come to an end so I truly believe FGO should wrap it's story up. It's not like other Fate media like the Memorial movie or Samurai/Remnant aren't well received either. By now there really shouldn't be an excuse on not developing another mainstay Fate game.

[@AzureResonance66]

I enjoy FGO, but the underlying issue really is QoL. The gameplay can be very tedious and annoying. The farming aspect is monotonous, esp when lottery is here. There's no Auto-Play nor is there a "times X" amount to consume stamina and do Ex, 3 runs in one. Most time, i just do logins now and barely even "play" the game.

[@aiki__wx]

if FGO had gameplay like wuthering waves, it would be insane. I don't understand why they don't at least make FGO arcade a PC port.

[@frelatrz9246]

Im afraid if they port the game, (gbo2 nightmare)

[@ammarazlan2673]

selling fgo story is like telling people to watch one piece

[@ChaldeaGurus]

That is the most accurate statement I've ever heard XD

[@JueViole-r8s]

Do not worry about them, customers are slaves, they can't support criticism, they don't want a better game or fgo 2.

[@victorrusu1913]

Personally, the game is good as is, only things i would change are less dead weeks and more qol changes.

[@JueViole-r8s]

@@victorrusu1913 Dead years* OC 1 and OC2 gap is 1 year. You confirm what i said, thanks!

[@victorrusu1913]

At this point you're just lying for free, there's been 9 months between oc 1 and oc 2, Fgo deffinetly has problems, but it's not as bad as you people make it sound.

[@JueViole-r8s]

@@victorrusu1913 You are right customer-san, sorry 9 months are just a few dead weeks haha the game is perfect, please continue farming for skills levels and buying for more swimsuit servants! And never post any critics and censor every people that try to harm your precious!

[@anubisgodess2353]

I personally don't know if I'm on board for fgo 2 Frankly because I haven't finished a lot of Content in fgo 😅. But aside from that I would like to see something different for fgo it just feels so hard to keep my attention when most of the game mechanics are the same rinse and repeat. With games like weathering waves I can run around uncover treasure encounter boss monsters an ultimately go around and see different things. Fgo however feels stagnant and as much as there may be some events that are fun I feel like we need some fresh blood. Hell it's gotten to the point for me or I don't even really care about logging in to fgo as much I haven't logged into fgo in almost a week because I don't care about the grill fronts cuz they're just not interesting to me. But overall I still do enjoy fgo there's no way I'm leaving my pharaohs behind but I really would like something different to be able to engage with the game more and maybe if they had brought over the style of arcade to a main console instead of an arcade game that interest could have been kept a lot more.

[@harrysliyoko8809]

I want TM to make the games they've promised for decades before they make fgo 2 . Also , after seeing what has become of Genshin fandom on the internet i'm terrified of FGO having the slightest chance of going mainstream.

[@infinitykiyen6270]

I will be honest FGO could have developed to FGO Arcade route but man... That "Arcade only in Japan" is hurting the game like a lot... Damn...

[@Devil935]

What would help a lot is update the first few chapter's to a standard like others, and finally adding voice acting in said chapters. It would help a lot in highting the scenes but as of right now its hard for new players to read so much compared to other games. As for people who want to play a game with interesting combats its a hard sell to casuals who find out its an rpg, not to say being an rpg is bad but games that do it well they have a lot of style to them, FGO lacks that. I love this game and play it mostly for the story content but its hard to convince people a game just for the story alone

[@RyugaSemVoid]

The best thing they can do when they reach the enf of part 2 is definitely make a fully offline version of the game since it is pretty much a full game at this point then finally start making fgo 2 in the style of genshin impact

[@godsson7533]

I got a wuthering waves Ad😂😂

[@OK00110]

fgo is like a blueprint for other gacha games it doesnt need to keep up

[@ChaldeaGurus]

That's a bold claim! What about FGO makes it a blueprint for other gacha?

[@jkosch]

0:17 Huh, I have never seen the faces of Justin and Soberoni before. Also (for the statistics): Mothman! 🦋

[@Yunglex313]

One thing I will say is that I haven't touched FGO in months. I got tired of playing it. I do still plan on going back to it for the story, but I think I am done grinding events. I played Code Geass Lost Stories for a minute, bounced of it when I realized they aren't going make that game free to play friendly, and you effectively have to spend A LOT of money to be able to complete its content. I started Granblue Fantasy right before GBF Relink came out, which was around the time of the new year, so I got a bunch of free stuff, a started a pretty good collection of characters, and was able to start building teams to compete with completion within the first month. Only issue I had was learning how the grid system worked, and just a few weeks ago, they added new tutorial content to address that. I say all this to make the point that I am enjoying this game. FGO, as a game I feel, is hard to enjoy. Even after all the money I spent, I just don't want to play it, and that I feel is telling of how fun the actual game is.

[@loverofjesusMKII]

I genuinely struggle to get myself to play the game anymore. The gacha rates feel all the more abysmal after playing Hoyovere's games. In the worst case scenario in star rail it's 180 pulls for the rate up as well as an off rate up 5*. The pity carries over and repeats too. Meanwhile in FGO, It's bloody 300 with nothing of value garunteed and then the value of any falled rolls goes to waste once the banner ends Reading the story has become a chore instead of fun when most of what comes out is fanservice filler, meanwhile all these other games are fully voiced in multiple languages. And the gameplay is just boring at this point. The game is 99.9% farming with repetitive overly optimized teams but no autoplay. And don't get me started on how obnoxious all the doujin coomers with not respect for the source material are.

[@peanutfish94]

FGO has been my main go to gacha game for 3 years now and I still love it to death and I play it every day, I want it to keep improving, even if it is subtly. Like I don't want it to be like Wuwa/Genshin etc. cuz those don't interest me or I've put them down cuz I got too bored of them. I like Arknights and Azur Lane but after like a year I've been on and off with them or just outright dropped, which hasn't ever happened to me with FGO and I doubt it will ever at this point. Are there stuff to improve on with FGO? Absolutely. They can make pity better by doing what Genshin does and remember the amount of rolls you've put in after the first copy or heck just reset the pity count after you got the rateup SSR the first time so that way you can still get another guaranteed if you have the rolls for it. They can make skills say how much of a percentage your skills do like Gil's Charisma for example, increases the party's Atk by 21% at max level but you wouldn't know that unless you use something like FGO Wiki or Chaldea App so they could bake that information into the skills in-game which would help reduce needing stuff like FGO Wiki or Chaldea App to just know that information. (which they have shown that information before with Appends and with the most recent Traum Story-only Mystic Code). Or heck I've seen people say they could skill up to a specific rank for a skill if they already had the mats for it and just immediately jump to that specific level for that skill, similar with how people want to inject as many embers to multiple levels at a time when using embers. And with how Jp's been doing stuff it's more pumping out more content than in last year or the year before (current NA year) for the past like 6 or so months now which is huge and instills hope into me that FGO is improving. But what I'm getting at, I want FGO to still be FGO, could it use some improvements here and there? Yeah absolutely but I still want it to keep being FGO and not just another Genshin or Wuwa cuz I don't care about that that's not FGO to me, I just want the game I love playing to keep on getting better and better.

[@PhoenixBlaze15]

An FGO 2 would help with reviving the games popularity, but us long time players are too attached to the current game for all the progress(money) we put into it. Unless the developers create a major upgrade that incorporates the current game(servants w/np,stats,&grail lvls) into the new system, we have to face the inevitable some day. Thank you for the video Mu! Sorry that some took your concerns for the game as talking poorly about it. Keep up the good work! Mothman! (Think I need to see a doctor about that word tick?) 😨

[@billdecou242]

Well Nasu isn't going to be as active in FGO right? He is probaly going to work on another VN or another game after a short break. I could see something like a KnK or Tsukihime SRPG as a possible option. Keep the fan service aspect but modernize it similar to Reverse 1999 with L2D models and fully voiced story (which I personally feel is if FGO was made modern day, for better and worse).

[@gshorter]

So I watched an interesting video the other day about how these gatcha games and games as a service are part of the problem with the AAA game industry. Long and short of it was mentioned here, time. With so many people playing and spending money on a Genshin, Star Rail and even FGO, traditional gaming has slowed down because companies planned their games during a pre-Genshin/Fortnight era. Very interesting

[@ChaldeaGurus]

It's comparable to all the streaming apps we have nowadays. So many are out there, it's hard to get it all without spending a lot of money and then actually watching the shows on that service. Gacha is the same. You gotta choose where your time and money goes. TBH while that comment taking away from AAA games is true, the game also needs to be good. Baldur's Gate, RE 4 Remake, FF7R, Spider-man 2. These were all good games that made WAVEs when they came out. If the game is good enough, people will put down the gacha to play it. Just said that some gacha games play better than a AAA game :(

[@gshorter]

@@ChaldeaGurus funny thing, I played none of those games and yes I continued with Star Rail, FGO and even redownloaded Blue Archive! 😆 But anime is my real vice. That’s where most of my free time has been going.

[@ChaldeaGurus]

@@gshorter I am always tempted to go back to Blue Archive! What drew you back to it?

[@gshorter]

@@ChaldeaGurus they actually had a Certain Scientific Railgun colab (colabs right?? lol) and I figured I’d check it out and yeah had fun with it. Also they have a lot of cool rewards to get for catching up and I needed a change of pace mobile game from FGO and Star Rail.

[@AltriaRuler]

I think fgo needs to catch up to fgo jp like the majority of gachas have done. 2 years is ridiculously long to wait for servents.

[@billdecou242]

There are some things I feel they could do to modernize the game for sure. But I feel they need a direct rival to really step up. Takt.op was the latest that had potential, but that flopped since it was supposed to release with the anime like 2 years before or something. Reverse 1999 could step up to the plate if they improve the game and allow low rarities to I3 and upgrade old units with mechanics like Eureka (had hopes for first anni but that didn't happen). The issue with Mihoyo becoming so big is that they perpetuated the modern standard of rng gear and limited increasing cost refills. Both of which ruin my personal enjoyment. Also the biggest QoL update they could do in FGO (if they can in the engine) is the option to play a stage one time and spend x times more energy and drops. If you could run a 90++ 3 or 4 times at once for 120/160 AP (especially if you see all the drops too) as an example.

[@lastminute1066]

Release FGO arcade for console/computers and port the servant roster you’ve collected in the OG FGO. I feel like that would go well.

[@tomeetipee]

At the end of the day, we play games because they are fun. FGO was fun for me for a good 4 years. Much of the story is still the absolute peak you can find in gacha. But lately, other games have just become more fun for me. Plus the stalling of the lostbelt arc and the tediousness of FGO event farming is just not appealing to me anymore. So its benched for other games.

[@hessianqrow7977]

It doesn't help that FGO has a reputation for having one of the worst Gatcha Systems and is grind heavy which dosnt have a skip feature 😅

[@fletchernight587]

Could FGO use improvements? Yes! Do I want to see a FGO2? Hell no! Especially if it is another Genshin (Breath of the Wild) clone.

[@derangedluke8146]

I saw your initial tweet about this yesterday and people were strawmanning it to death. It all came off as desperate cope to avoid acknowledging the truth of how dated FGO is now. Its dated 2014/2015 mobile game DNA stands out more and more the longer the game goes on. People reaching for really lazy cope defenses such as "You shouldn't compare FGO to HSR". I play both FGO and HSR so I absolutely will compare them and it's completely valid to do so. FGO might be the greatest example of a game being a victim of its financial success. It's painfully overdue to move on to completely new game and format. The lostbelt arc still has not reached a true conclusion after 6 years. JP is clearly stalling out the story until at least 10th anniversary. While much of the main story arc is good it's a pain in the ass to read literally hundreds of hours of story in the current dated format. A format that sort of worked early on before Camelot when the story started to turn into a real VN. This is the point when the game decided to become way more ambitious but the problem is the foundation was never built with that in mind. It's severely held it back ever since no matter how much they tried to improve it at times.

[@xanaviii]

FGO's two biggest hurdles: lack of QoL, and not globally synchronized. There is just TOO much information that you cannot find in-game. How come I don't know how much NP battery my own skills provide? How do i know 1 attack buff is higher than the other? What traits do my servant have? A lot of this information needs to be memorized, and that's just hostile to new players. And the grind for materials is completely unintuitive. Not knowing where to get the 10+ different materials you need for just 1 servant, that all have to be farmed for in different places...it really makes me appreciate Starrail: 1 boss matt, 1 skill mat, and 1 enemy mat. Simple. And the fact that FGO has mulitple servers that are all de-synced, really hurts generating global hype for the game. It is painful going to an anime con in the US, and seeing almost 0 Fate art or merch. No one is buzzing about "current" NA servants, because anyone who cares made art for them 2 years ago when JP announced them.

[@ivanbluecool]

Fgo has good gameplay but it doesn't really keep you invested after you are done playing. Plus farming can only do so much when you are a veteran. Fgo was pretty much a game that hot lucky the IP was so strong

[@oct91988]

Amazing and insightful

[@josephmaduay8197]

On one hand its kinda sad comparing FGOs dated gameplay to other new gen gachas. But on the other hand FGO was bound to get surpassed by new gacha games eventually, its only just a matter of time. I think they should really just end the story of this game with a banger story and make a new game instead of overstaying their welcome. A lot of other games are offering better terms for gacha in general, and, dare I say it, have better story than FGO.

[@MajorGari]

I honestly think they should make a few changes for quality of life... For example, in blue archive if you don't want to read the entire story of a node, when you click skip you receive a summary of what happened. Other way to improve is making the ascension and skill leveling faster, having an option to show where you can farm a certain material if you need and, lastly... make the gatcha a bit more generous (c'mon 300 pulls X 180 and sometimes you need multiple copies of that servant to make it run smoothly on those hardcore challenge quests is bullshit). Those simple solutions, imo, may be enough to sustain FGO for a long time forward, specially considering how popular the franchise is already, a new FGO would be welcome too, but I think this is enough.

[@TheOturanArtist]

They need to use the models they made for Arcade and make a console game out of it.

[@TY9231]

I would rather FGO keep the same client and have a big overhaul update. The FGO name and client are too marketable to switch over. I feel like a big update that keeps the FGO feel, allows you to keep your hard earned (and hard bought) Servants, and maybe gets everyone on the same schedule (though Clairvoyance EX is nice) would be the most likely.

[@GDYganesitutos]

There are no new players, the research they themselves put on famitsu at the beginning of the year said that less than 2% of active players had started playing the game less than a year ago, the real "new players" are actually people who have been playing for 2-3 Years, FGO money nowadays basically comes from old whales who have been playing the game for years,The early game of this game is horrible and no one nowadays will want to put themselves through the suffering of having to go through this bad experience when there are many other better games on the market,In practice, every day FGO loses more players than it gains, it won't happen immediately, but eventually this will become unsustainable if nothing is done about it.

[@robertjaysonalcantara7016]

I haven't even logged in for a solid week. I have very low motivation to play after experiencing what could have been after experiencing Honkai Star Rail for a year. HSR is what I wish FGO had evolved into if only they decided not to pad out the story and freaking move on with either a sequel or a spinoff. And now it is just way too late, the shareholders became too complacent, the playerbase are just accepting sunk cost fallacy, and the future is just bleak overall because no one really like stagnation. Even long time FGO veterans I follow starts HSR simply because there is not much content in FGO to milk upon anymore. All I wish for this year's anniversary is for them to quit padding and just fekkin wrap the darn thing up. Many are just simply tired, alot has move on at this point.

[@tyrantprime]

Its not easy. Just becauss they have the money it doesnt mean it goes to them automatically. Remember that lasengle is still under sony aniplex's chains so they cant do anything about it, and until they go independent, they wont be able to make any potential im afraid.

[@creaturetransylvania8943]

So basically they should take something like Fate/Extra record & just add a gacha system. (I admit I didn't watch the video,just read some comments)

[@ВзглядИзнутри-з1в]

Genshin is developed by 1,500 people. FGO are created by less than 300 of which more than 250 are marketers and administrators. How do you see the new Fate being updated or developed? And most importantly, why would Aniplex order a new game? They are happy with their earnings, and without payment from Aniplex it is impossible to create a new game.

[@ChaldeaGurus]

Well I actually have a video where I go over a few updates ideas! Check it out~ Aniplex is who I'm disappointed by. Ordering a new game could be getting them more money but they are settling instead of trying to compete in the market.

[@ВзглядИзнутри-з1в]

@@ChaldeaGurus Aniplex is a terrible company. Salaries for FGO developers are among the lowest in Japan. But I still hope that on the 10th anniversary of the game they will show us a new version or a separate game.

[@kiraqueen6853]

Great video, and I definitely agree that FGO does need to change cuz of how... outdated the systems and gameplay are. It was FINE when it came out but its 2024, genshin literally changed the landscape for gacha games, and it NEEDS to adapt.

[@MrDarksol]

It still surprises me that FGO is still looking on the dated side even if they finally gave us the servants that Japan had for a few years to give them to me now but by that point it's way too little way too late and the game just from what I remember doesn't feel like it's advancing anything. Like oh sure it is advancing everything but it isn't giving us many quality of life improvements or anything of that nature that would make people want to come back and play It. Not to mention the gacha is still terrible in comparison to every other mobile game which is something that I remembered a lot of people saying was an issue.

[@vollied4865]

Y'all completely didn't mention how other games are constantly copying FGO Archetype Earths banner nearly tripled genshins sales: Nahida is a 1 to 1 copy of a kit just smol HSR completely copied FGOs craft essences just ruined it with mihoyos garbage anti consumer practices Blue archive: we have terrors instead of Alters, our volume F is just a copy of Solomon but better. Nikke basically has the same gacha system as FGO just with higher rates, and that amazing selector system to make story banner worth summoning on. And that's not evening mentioning how often the Devs of these games openly state how much they're inspired by Fate as a whole. Yes FGO can improve and grow but I think y'all need to stop glazing that dogshit genshin so much.

[@clawsthewolf89]

I do think if fgo were to venture into 3D i could see and hsr version of fgo But overall yea i do think fgo needs to innovate or they will become the bedrock of gacha games

[@GibbyGibbstein]

I first started playing Fgo in early May of 2018 when I was still in high-school, now im active duty Air force so ive been with fgo for over half of its current life span, and its been with me for my entire adult life span, and frankly this game is riddled with issues that are seemingly going to cause the death of this game. Fgo runs on an old, outdated engine, one that Lasengle has stated that they have no current plans to upgrade from ( I am not a game developer or coder but this seems like a mistake to me as this game's engine is one of its current glaring flaws as the hardware itself severely holds the game back) This engine is so outdated it has people asking for an FGO 2. Now, while I dont think fgo 2 is a terrible idea there are things we need to be aware of. Fgo was never operated by a generous company, it took us almost 10 years; 10 WHOLE YEARS, to get a pity system. If FGO 2 became a reality then how would this work? Would every servant from the current FGO be in the game at launch? If not then how will people deal with potentially going without their favorite servants? Would FGO 1 progress transfer to FGO 2? If not then id imagine most people would have no desire to start from scratch knowing they have to obtain their favorite characters again if that is even possible. I dont hate the concept of Fgo 2 but im not foolish enough to trust lasengle, and the Fgo 2 "solution" is basically just saying "Kill the game and start over" To me, this is a less viable option, and Lasengle has stated they arent planning on an engine upgrade. So, what should Lasengle do? Well, looking at the comment section it seems everyone has 1 major complaint in general and that is FGO's core gameplay. In my personal opinion, this game was at its peak in terms of enjoyment prior to the existence of the 3 turn meta. Now dont get me wrong, being able to 3 turn farming nodes was a massive QOL change, but this also ruined the gameplay as lasengle (prior to becoming lasengle) allowed their greed to overshadow engaging gameplay, and as a result they hyper focused on making more and more aoe servants, and more farming supports until now all the game is gameplay wise is a "watch the np animation" simulator. The core gameplay and the balance are just really bad. Most new servants are uninspired aoe farmers that quite frankly dont do anything different from their older counter parts outside of maybe more damage which usually doesnt even matter because most of these servants just obliterate everything anyways. Arjuna alter was one of the first examples of this unit who could just wipe anything with his np, and then Koyanskaya came out. Now, guess who im still using despite there being more buster options like Tiamat and Kukulkan? Godjuna. Why? Because I dont need to use anyone else. In fact if I do use someone else it's because I force myself to because im tired of watching him peg the universe for the 900 thousandth time. Aoe servant balance has gotten SO BAD that id argue ST servants are basically dead now, obviously some strong ones still release like summer Castoria or Bhima, but why use ST servants when I can throw an aoe np at someone that does 600k damage to them on neutral (COUGH KUKULKAN COUGH) What practical use do these servants have? If Lasengle isnt going to make fgo 2 or upgrade their engine then they need to innovate with what they do have. They need to make the core gameplay fun again. Take a step back from constant farming, find ways to make st servants relevant again, improve the quality of challenging content so you cant just aoe spam minturn CQs anymore. We need more events like Tesla cup. People may hate Grail front but at least it's a break from the constant bore of watchinng my Ibuki obliterate all lancer enemies, or watch my Godjuna destroy anything on my screen. With all that being said is Fgo doing well? Yes, and no. Fgo is doing well monitarily but it isnt really growing as a game. Awhile back it was revealed in Famitsu that out of the current playerbase only around 2% of the players have accounts that are a year old or younger. This means that fgo isnt growing at a healthy rate and most of its playerbase comprises of people who have accounts older than 1 year. This means that if people continue to drop fgo it will be losing more players than what it gains, it is standing on a thin line over a canyon. So why arent people playing fgo? Simply put, there is no incentive to. What does this game have to offer beyond its story and large character cast? Other more modern gachas offer things like better rates, well written stories, well implemented pity, generous events, soundtrack, etc. Take Nikke for example. Most people dont take Nikke seriously and consider it to be a coomer bait game. That's cool, but did you know that the "coomer bait" game has made over 750 million USD in just a year and a half? A very highly praised story that is both very dark and highly touching? A soundtrack composed by artists such as cosmograph and Hiroyuki Sawano, ssrs that have higher rates than fgo 4 stars, an entire company that actually engages with their community because they dont just care about money but also because they ACTUALLY want their game to be fun? A retroactive pity system that can be indefinitely saved for ANY banner that only requires 200 combined total pulls on ANY event banner? For fuck's sake FGO just got its pity system on NA last year after almost a DECADE and it is one of the WORST pity systems I have EVER seen in a gacha. Whether people want to admit it or just cope that it isnt true, Fgo has been alive for a long time, we are in the point of FGO's life where we are at the start of the end, we are at the beginning of the end of FGO's life cycle. Fgo's situation isnt unsalvageable but they really need to get it together, innovate on the gameplay and make it engaging. Release servants with interesting and unique kits that dont just exist solely to be generic looper number 912, better dev to community communication, etc. That is all.

[@gudakoalter]

FGO JP is just too influential that it dictates what happens to the global version. also Lasengle are aware of the new decade competition. all I can say is to let them cook their sequel project. there could be a reason why they made a account binding on their server and not through google.

[@szczepan4737]

If FGO2 would transfer our account with all the ssr servants we obtained then wonderful. But if I would have to start from scratch and once again had to pull for them then nope, I'm out.

[@UndeadEggmiester]

Unfortunately fgo is what nearly a 10 year old game. The thing is the game still isn't dying, sure it's no longer the top of dog but it's still makes a ton of money. I didn't think they're going to risk a new game because as we know the Japanese hate taking risks and prefer the status quo. Unless this game starts to lose a ton of money fast I doubt they're even considering it.

[@theshig9618]

Hear me out: Ritsuka, after everything they have been through, and all the strength of will they've gained, becomes a Threat to Humanity themselves, FGO 2's 1st arc is the new Protagonist character and their team having to fight their way through Ritsuka's army of Servants.

[@carrotssirlot8267]

Fgo needs to start fresh brand new for gameplay wise, like arcade gameplay but in mobile I am copium that Fate grand order/ fate type mobile will ever be release at this point since Fgo is still making a lot of money in Japan unless the huge Japanese fanbase demands for it unlikely any fate mobile games would be release anytime soon. Edit I do prefer turn base games type if they release a new fgo and it's turn base still hopefully it's like honkai star rail huge copium though haha

[@Alister39]

Interesting how a certain fgo content creator was so pressed for your ‘hot take’ when he’s known to do hot takes himself, Twitter users will really twist your words lmao

[@RogueMastermind]

I definitely wouldn't complain about FGO 2 if it was a completely new game engine, especially if we could get transfer codes to keep our servants, materials, etc., but IMO the biggest problem is that the gameplay itself is just boring and definitely needs to be addressed. When I compare FGO to other Turn-based RPGs, it's not HSR and BG3 I'm comparing FGO to - it's games from the 90's and early 00's. And even then FGO plays like an outdated dinosaur - Golden Sun 1 & 2 were better and deeper turn-based RPGs even with the cancer known as random encounters. Paper Mario 1 & 2 and the Mario & Luigi game series feature action commands and have no random battles; they're easily still among the best turn-based, nay, any and all RPGs ever made if only because of including the greatest combat mechanic in any Turn-based RPG. That just doesn't come across in FGO. Even with less frequent and less grindy events that don't have us all chained to our phones and emulators to clean out the stores or farming up items to open hundreds of lotto boxes, none of FGO's regular gameplay feels engaging. And that's with the competition lighting a fire under Lasengle's arse to make sure there's more to do - in the endgame, spending AP feels like doing chores regardless of quest choice. Story is still good or even great for FGO and all the other titles I mentioned - but competing with modern genre-defining and genre-defying classics Genshin and HSR on story is a massive undertaking. Mihoyo and Hoyoverse wrote stories and freaking incredible music that both keeps things accessible for casual players to keep up with the plot, yet by also referencing mythology and notable written works (along with plenty of optional readable collectibles), there's a whole deep-dive world of lore akin to Hollow Knight or Soulslikes for the absolute lore-dorks to dig into and actually make incredibly accurate calls about where the plot is going, small character details that pay off later, and even play detective during the dialogue and cutscenes. Also, HSR and Genshin Impact are euphoric and phenomenally great, so yeah, unfair comparison to FGO. I can't see myself sticking around past the Lostbelt story wrapping up, or maybe just long enough to finally spend the F2P saved SQ for Ruler Skadi.

[@potato2097]

Golden sun mentioned!! Based 😎😎 Love that game!

[@cortomontagnon5625]

Well fgo really doesn't hold up to today's standards, like be honest does it look like a game that makes that much money ?😂 People play it cuz they love fate not because it's a good game

[@aiki__wx]

it is a good STORY, but a good GAME? nah.

[@beserkerunknown2521]

honestly its mostly those leviathans that keep fgo alive and whales the gameplay is just tapping cards

[@cyechan50]

Id recommend Fate Samauri remnant over Fate grand order for a good intro to the Fate stuff. Hey you like that game play this mobile version. It at least needs a way to auto farm materials.. I still love the story of FGO mobile Tremant had some great moments.

[@kitkro4679]

Can see point but really dont see reason for fgo 2 probably already accepted fact even if they did optimize it to max probably wouldn't make much difference not saying it shouldn't be better it should but 9 year old game you have games with in that space bleach brave souls dragon ball dokkan battle there as old as they are there not at top anymore but there making enough as is none are trying to make 2nd version or better one when everything going as good as there doing now if we did like poor nasu probably wouldn't even get work on other projects i would love gotcha of fgo but dont really see reason to make fgo 2 sense its doing well now same can be said for brave souls and dokkan

[@gunlocksp]

Improve this, improve that. Sigh. Ya all know that Nasu isn't exactly young anymore, right? He got other things to do with his time. How long is he gonna supervise FGO anyways? Would you want a fool to take over and destroy the only redeeming quality about FGO? The story? IF Nasu wants to keep FGO's story going, sure by all means, but never at the cost of his health. I rather FGO just bow out (end the story) gracefully. And once it does, just offer it offline on Steam (like what they did with Rockman X Dive). FGO2? Nah... that would mean more work for Nasu (remember Fate is his baby, no effing way is he gonna let a bunch of noobs crap over all his work). Just end it and one day we can look back at our time with fondness. Or... the alternative would be... what's the saying again? Live long enough to see all our franchises turn to shit. 🤣

[@ChaldeaGurus]

Nasu may be the creator of Fate but he's not the only one who can write it. Fate Zero was written by someone else. And they're prepping for someone to take over anyway. The narrative that fgo dies if Nasu doesn't write it is silly. Besides, these changes do not involve Nasu in that way. He just has to say yes or no. He's not programming this or making art for it. Things can stay the same or they can evolve. And no harm can come from discussing this. Why shut down a conversation on the matter?

[@gunlocksp]

Never did I said "written". I said supervise. You do know they can't just do whatever with the franchise right? Of course it does involve him. You said it yourself, no? He still has to say yes or no. What? Er, not shutting down a conversation per say. I am just offering a different perspective and that is to just let FGO end gracefully.

[@ChaldeaGurus]

Then this isn't a point? He already said he gives FGO his blessing and will move forward after FGO Arc 2 is done. He wanted to give it a FF9 type of ending, one where if it all ended there, it's satisfactory but if it were to continue, it would make sense. With that in mind, I believe FGO could be better and more inviting to newer players. We as a older playerbase are already locked in. But newer players aren't coming in and staying as long. And again, he's already passed the story off to people. Yes he supervises it but how does that change it if he's actively writing something else? It doesn't. Obviously if he wants it to stop, it'll stop, it's over. But, they make a lot of money. So I doubt they'll just let it "die" gracefully.

[@gunlocksp]

Nothing to say to first paragraph. As for your second one... True, however my opinion is that the og game will never do that, save for some drastic changes. What changes? I have 0 clue as I am not one of these new gen kids. The graphics? The gameplay? FGO2 may do just that. As for your last paragraph, what do you mean by "writing something else"? I sincerely hope you are not referring to what I said, cause this would be the 2nd time you're putting words into my mouth. I said he got other things to do with his time. Things that do NOT involve writing nor his job. Why do you think I commented on his age? And may I remind you "they" aka Aniplex do not have any say on the matter? It's Nasu (Type Moon's) work. If they can do whatever, they would've done so many many moons ago, ergo it's obvious, Nasu has the final say on what goes on in FGO. If he wants it ended, it will end (just as you said in your 1st paragraph).

[@gunlocksp]

Anyways I have no clue why you're so invested in this conversation. I did say if Nasu wants FGO to continue, it would. Does that not fit your narrative? What I am offering is merely a different perspective, which is to let the game end. Or is it because you're thinking I am shutting down the conversation? No, if so my reply to you would read as any other which is "the game is fine as it is" or "the game's not wuwa or genshin" or "apple to oranges comparison" yada yada yada. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@jmv-uo5793]

I feel like fgo is dead game