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[@samblindao5421]

The hardest part of being a fate fan is because you know how much better fgo could be

[@scares3859]

😂😭😭

[@pougetguillaume4632]

The hardest part of being a type moon fan is that you know fgo is the future of TM Why did we get spoiled mahoyo 2 in freaking fgo 💀

[@luthfimisbah5103]

​@@pougetguillaume4632blame Nasu for being high whenever he's involved with story department lol (copium for Mahoyo 3)

[@Miraak_FirstDovahkiin]

It hurt so bad knowing they could make a game like genshin impact EASILY... Fgo arcade already exist but its only for japan (type moon HATE non japanese people), if they wanted they could make a game like extella but gacha with 3d character and cool noble phantasm... Instead we get a game with shitty rates, 3 turn brain rot, absolutely no late game content, servants with lazy design (space ersh is also summer eresh, ciel 3rd stage is arcueid...), the worst pity everseen in a gacha and an enormous powercreep. Fgo is hard carried by the IP and thats just sad

[@Gonzora]

​@@Miraak_FirstDovahkiinIt's just my opinion but as a turn-based lover, I really wouldn't want FGO to become like Genshin, especially if they imitate Mihoyo and don't enable controller support on Android. On the other hand, if one day FGO evolves into an HSR-like (so a turn based game with nice 3d and a map to explore that is NOT a f--kin' open world) then I'll sign up right away.

[@reiyun]

Yeah "just use the wiki" is an excuse. There's really no reason for any of that information to not be included in the game for those that want or may need to see it. Yes yes pull for your waifu/husbando but some people still would appreciate having easy access to that info inside the game.

[@alexandrunache9078]

Exactly, there are many times where you don't care for waifu and husbandos. So what's left? Obviously how it will improve your game experience. There is so much cope and stockholm syndrome with fgo players it saddens me this is what happened with it The problem is both the players and the devs tho. The devs don't care enough to do anything with the community, no feedback no nothing (you can only contant support through email like it's 2010) and the players are so used to this treatment that they don't even try or wish for the better. It's as if both know the game is dying so there's no effort in trying to make a change (even tho the popularity and player retention is so high)

[@therranolleo468]

the problem with the UI is not that "its not bad because you're gonna google them anyways" its bad because the game doesn't even provide the information in the first place, I've played this game for 9 years and I agree that the presentation of a servant's kit in FGO is atrocious compared to other gacha games nowadays majority of players (or newer ones) aren't gonna be wiki brained like us, its about easing the newer players into the game as best as possible WITHOUT the need of a 3rd party resource, I know plenty of good games that has their community say "if you're joining in, you're gonna need a wiki", and while the game itself it good, its presentation of needing a 3rd party resource to find crucial information about the characters itself is bad design by all metrics I don't expect the game to shove every minute detail and hidden mechanics to minmax characters in the game itself, that's what the wiki and guide forums are for, but the fact that they don't even show what you're upgrading and spending your resources on is the bad point, for all the player knows they could've just pumped all their resources into upgrading Imperial Priveledge that hasn't budged a single point other than the cooldown reducing, since they don't know what is even being upgraded

[@garrettdesoto1740]

Seconding this. When I first started out, I didn't bother with the wiki, and I had no idea what I was doing. I distinctly remember thinking Mana Burst was worthless because I had no idea it had such a high magnitude relative to base Charisma. Took me nearly a month before I sat down and labbed it out, at which point I realized this was a wiki game. That's also when I learned about basic mechanics like multiplicative stacking. Long-term, it was fine, but as a new player I struggled against content that I by all rights should've been able to clear easily simply because the game does not make its basic mechanics and numbers visible to players.

[@NexusVFD]

I dont think the being wiki brained thing is a fair point regardless of what game you're playing cos at the end of the day we are literally in the information age. There is NO excuse for not looking anything up. However, I will concede that FGO and A LOT of other gacha games fail hard in their skill/ultimate descriptions cos even Hoyo games suffer from it despite them actually telling you the most possible information. And dont even get me started on how reliant other games are on secondary items necessary to boost your damage which also have their own set of descriptors you have to decipher, but like FGO has CEs and that's basically it.

[@NLRensa]

Isn't it kinda crazy that we even have to depend on DATAMINERS to know precisely what our skill kit's values are? Because those numbers aren't even listed in-game. Everything on the wikis are all thanks to dataminers. FGO is the only gacha game, to my knowledge, where this is the case... 🤔

[@ChaldeaWarmaster]

Yeah, I am with you there. Some of the traits are not so clear cut on some Servants either that you would never know about it until you looked it up on a datamining site or a wiki.

[@yukio9723]

I rather find the detail in 3rd party website than adding it to the game for basically annoying tutorial which u usually skip and make the game bigger in size

[@Hashimoto_Akira]

Skill descriptions is one of the worst parts of FGO, I HATE having to open up wiki every time I pick a servant I don't use too often

[@coreyodell6220]

That and power mods/alignments for me. Just make all the traits visible, plz

[@Hashimoto_Akira]

@@coreyodell6220 Yeah, that also sucks. Myst said it's fine since even if you can't check the enemy's traits, you've already made the party at this point, but personally, I often die during my first run of some story bosses, so I'd like to have a chance to check all the traits in-game and make my party for the second run accordingly, instead of, once again, pulling up the wiki

[@imatiu]

On one hand, I agree that there should be the option of having more info for skills and some of the more obscure elements, but then I remember how recent games that I have played, like Wuthering Waves, have a huge issue with over complicated skill descriptions and translation errors. And that game has less than 30 units as of now, I can see why the people in charge of FGO would think that adding detailed descriptions would be too much of an issue, for too little gain.

[@Hashimoto_Akira]

@@imatiu I don't think it's gonna be all that big of a deal. The skill descriptions of the newer units are ALREADY often too long and overly complicated, the only thing they need to do is instead of writing the useless [Lv.10] like five times in skill descriptions, write 20% or whatever AND they already did it for the appends. It's not gonna make them any more complicated - it's just gonna add some clarity while not even making them any longer

[@imatiu]

@@Hashimoto_Akira It doesn't seem like much, but lets test it just for argument sake. I will use Iyo since she is the current event Servant in NA, she would require the following changes, the first skill would require the Arts card effectiveness and Special attack Divine percentages, plus the amount of Curse the ability applies to enemies, that would be XX%, XX% and XXXX amount. But, each one of those percentages is level dependent so repeat and change 10 times, so for a single skill she would require 21 changes to the first skill description, 30 for the second and 21 for the third. So for a single character, not counting NPs or passives, just the skills, it would be necessary 72 changes to the skill descriptions, and this is not even a high number since there are characters with skills that are strenghtened after Rank up quests. So at a bare minimum, let's say 100 changes to descriptions per Servant, with over 500 Servants in JP, that would make it about 50 000 changes to descriptions, bare minimum... even if the games had clean programming and making the changes was simple, let's say like 3 changes per minute that is still like 280 work hours, and this is assuming a lot of factors in pro of the changes being easy to do, which I don't think is the case.

[@Chapterhouse86]

I'm sorry, but there is NO excuse to not find a way to put the skill details in the game menus. It's shockingly stupid to make me leave the game and look it up on the wiki. It's so lazy, it's hard to fathom. The omega cope to say it's not a big deal is absurd. I should be able to tell how much my damage will be increased by a skill within the actual game. Is it that much to ask, really?

[@karnas1mp]

agree, and don't get me started with the battery not being known like how the hell do i know how much battery i can get from a fickin skill

[@jundoun3275]

I think the jp get updated no?

[@blux_cross]

True, just inputting the numbers are a billion times better than just "significant" or "moderate" They clearly have shown they can do it with like CE and Appends

[@imtoolazyforaprofilepic4961]

It hurts more because some skills and append are actually stating the percentages

[@PlushieMistress]

I can never compare gacha games fairly because literally every other gacha i pick up I drop out of boredom within a couple months (outside of AK ig) so maybe I'm just sick in the head or smth. FGO remains to be the one game I stick to with all its goods and flaws.

[@dinolamb8400]

Same here, for me at least most gacha are boring to play after a while. I just hate how they time gate(energy system)content from you some times. One of the only gacha games I can play for a while is limbus company as it energy system doesn’t gate kept you from content(unless you don’t login to get your modules).

[@yuue925]

I really burned out really fast of some recent gacha games...A lot of them actually focus a lot on the fomo and "you have to play everyday to not waste energy, not miss limited rewards (how dare you miss this one gacha token!) etc" while FGO I just log get the rewards and play the story when it's released and that's all ...maybe it's just me but I want to be able to play a game when I have the time to / want to not when a game wants me to play...FGO has it's flaws it's an old game after all with the old gacha systems but it's the only one I keep coming back to in the end...Also fgo doesn't have the horrendous artefact system....this thing is neither good or fun....it's just player retention at its finest.

[@prpl_moon]

I totally get you, with gacha games especially it's really hard for me to maintain interest if I start them from 0 when there's no interesting/good unit, they feel not worth wasting time with

[@GalenVaughn]

pretty much the same and it’s more to do you just don’t feel like getting into a new gacha when you’re 6 years deep into fgo

[@Sparksparky1]

Especially when fgo is a 2D game and not a 3D gacha game also fgo takes a different approach to gameplay compared to most gacha games dare i say but fgo gameplay is completely original compared l to other gacha games

[@NobuNobuSimp]

"Who cares for pulling for gameplay". Everyone with Skadi, Castoria, Koyanskaya, Oberon, Merlin etc.

[@coreyodell6220]

To me, those people are included in playing who I like. I like Arts units best, so when they introduce a new arts support why wouldn't I get it? It makes all my arts units better! Ushi is great and all, but for me, if I really like the unit I wanna use them at their best. If I don't have Castoria (who I would have pulled for regardless since she's awesome), my favourite character Spishtar is now gimped. Moreso for some servants than others. All Buster units I liked used to basically rot in my account until Koyan/Oberon came and gave me an efficient way to use them productively! I love my Ereshkigal and Ishtar, so ofc I wanna pull their supports! It's a matter of preference, ofc, but I think "pulling for gameplay" and "pulling for love" are more entwined than a lot of people say

[@darkdrac7012]

I would say supports are a different story, not only they can upgrade your favourite units so that you use them even more, you may also like the supports themselves, not my fault they made all main supports such good characters.

[@abrahammesrajecorrea2349]

Specially during boss battles or challenges that ask you to use your own servants instead of friend support ones. That's where you might regret not pulling fo any meta support if they weren't your waifu/husbando

[@ChaldeaWarmaster]

@@NobuNobuSimp they were interesting characters first. When Castoria came out we were excited. Little did we know how downright powerful she can be as a support

[@NobuNobuSimp]

@ChaldeaWarmaster She came out as a support first though. Then she was added as a character in LB6

[@naotohex]

For the part of the video he goes into the skills and how they dont explain a lot is very good. I dont think its right of the devs to not explain what exactly the skills are doing and “use the wiki” is a horrible excuse. You brought up how other gatchas you look up stuff, but the fact is FGO doesnt even explain the base mechanics of skills. Looking up team comps and other things is different then having to look up the literal basics of the game.

[@MystFGO]

Well I went on to say that I still think the game should have more information of course but at the same time if you are gonna google everything to the point of some guide maker telling you how to optimize/play your characters then I don't see the huge issue tbh.

[@Chapterhouse86]

@@MystFGO Yeah, fine, people look stuff up for games. Sure. But to not include ANY of the basic info of how the skills function, and what you are getting for upgrading them is beyond pathetic really. I love FGO, but there is no excuse. Especially with how much money they have made.

[@shinyamiyano224]

⁠@@MystFGO problem here is, with other gacha games, it’s just an option. But for FGO? If you don’t use wiki, you just put yourself in a disadvantage. What would happened if all of the external sources got deleted?

[@gangler52]

I agree it's better to include that stuff in the game, but I still think he was overblowing the issue. He kept talking like "How do you know if this attack works on this guy", but seemed to completely ignore the obvious option of just using the attack to see if it works. It's probably a very modern idea that you should know the entire game before you even pick up the controller. Or touch screen as the case may be here.

[@LordNeltharion]

​@gangler52 I mean with how reliant FGO is on its wiki it's not surprising that if you didn't have that resource not knowing if a servant is say a sky attribute but a skill buffs one's that are the only way to know is to test it yourself and with the very large roster of FGO that's going to get very tiring very quickly. The game could arguably put a small ui on servants somewhere showing those type of small traits because as they lay out the game is usually in the top 10 of gacha games they should bring it up to a morden standard.

[@Ramen-4-Life]

The best part of the video was when Pseychie was just about to drop it, and the whole 'Two new appends, but not enough coins' drama happened. He went back to edit it to address that nonsense before finally uploading.

[@mgbenz]

FGO's UI and UX shouldn't be excused. FGOs UI is slow and outdated even by 2015 standards. That's an objective fact. As for the UX, when a game fails or refuses to provide information for you and you have to look up a wiki then it is an absolute failure. Players should generally never be required to look up outside sources for what a game can and should provide in-game especially if it's something as important as a character's stats and skills.

[@doorto6152]

Pokémon has this same issue. You gotta find a resource like serebii to find a Pokémon’s base stats or discover how base stats translate to the actual stats in-game. Not to mention convoluted evolution methods. That last one makes me think Pokemon does this intentionally. They *want* players to find wikis to answer these questions. In other words, they want you to find a community. It’s a way for a single-player game with very light PvP features (compared to dedicated PvP games like Overwatch) to have a social aspect to the game. Not to say I agree with this idea. Just presenting it as part of a good faith discussion to argue as devil’s advocate.

[@MaoCroatia]

My take on the auto-battle feature. Honestly, FGO does kind of need it, but I get why people argue against it. The big difference between other gachas and FGO is that they have so much more content. PGR is a game I play most alongside FGO, and I will have a ton of diffferent mini events to do, so farming is not really something the devs want players to waste their time on. Do you want to replay a boss? Just go back to the story. With your own team? Sure, here is a game mode with all the bosses, choose your team and your boss. Try this extremely maldy gamemode if you want Play some fun chibi character game mode. If you add auto battle to FGO, what do you have left? Absolutely nothing. Once you clear interludes and rank ups, and are caught up with the story, the only thing you do is farm. So in short, players can just auto clear the node for their daily rewards, save the rest of the serum, and just expend all that AP at a lotto event, majorly boosting their progress. But on the other hand, not everyone has an equal opportunity to play. Some people need their phones on work, meaning the only time to play is at home, or during a commute. And let's be fair, FGO won't be their only focus outside of a job. Besides, auto-battle is a convinience feature, not something you have to use, and it is on the devs to create something else to focus on, instead of just farming.

[@tsukujam3080]

At the very least they could increase the cap of storm pod

[@christof6809]

the ONLY reason fgo works the way it does, is because of the type moon franchise. Everyone that plays fgo, has at least been in touch with another form of media from type moon. Only Fgo can release a character like ciel or arceuid (WHICH NEVER APPEARED IN THE GAME BEFORE) and they immediatly jump to the Nr.1 spot (earnings) again, thats just how much love the players have for these (and many other) characters, no other game can do something like this.

[@5hadow95]

FGO is also a completely different way of playing than 99% of gacha games. I will give the daily/weekly schedule as a comparison. The other games have you doing a few small tasks with all of the dailies able to be completed within an hour of gameplay, and the weeklys within 5-7 similar logins. Most people would be on, get daily rewards, auto battle/skip battle, maybe level something up, and then get off. These games also give many rewards for having completing such tasks, and is meant to reward and entice casual players to continue just logging in and just doing small stuff on a regular basis. FGO has you doing some small tasks with all of the dailies completed usually under 1.5 hours (more like 4 in JP) due to battle time, and the weeklies within a week...if you are lucky. Your reward for it all is an empty task dailies/weeklies, plus a handful of shards. It is not meant to reward casual players, making you spend more time on the game to get something out of it, thus increasing your physical interaction with the game.

[@alb7466]

Only other type moon media i've engaged with is Melty Blood and honestly I am just not interested in their works other than fate really

[@rafresendenrafresenden.1644]

@@5hadow95 FGO dailes are like 10 minutes, other gachas are 1 hour or more

[@kusanagi-no-tachi5303]

​@@5hadow95I mean, the dailies in Hoyo games and FGO are pretty much the same if we're only talking about daily missions. HSR roughly gives you 2.5 pulls with some level up mats in 7 days, while FGO gives you exactly 3 pulls and 210 mana prisms for weekly + daily missions. And that's not counting the Quartz and the 1 ticket we get per week if you login every day. It is easier to farm character mats in HSR for example than in FGO, but since you're only talking about dailies...

[@yuuschzhie8822]

@@rafresendenrafresenden.1644 not even dailies, our WEEKLIES are five minutes

[@NobuNobuSimp]

FGO wiki is a solution to a problem that inherently shouldn't exist. A seperate 3rd party website should not be giving you the info that for some reason is ommitted from the game.

[@JakeMatthews-OnLo]

Well this a better reaction than, “FGO shouldn’t be compared” and “this guy got a few thing wrong he sucks” that other FGO Tubers have. Honestly at this point the Best FGO Tubers are the ones who tell you the up and downs of servants and remind you to roll with your heart without regurgitating stat sheets and acting condescending to the characters while going thorough it as their only form of comedy. Most his criticism were fair, and really FGO should add actually numbers to their skills somewhere and have trial quest for all new servants to make more justifiable for players to roll for it.

[@amari7782]

What other fgotuber has done any of wat you said? I’m curious

[@stingerredshock3418]

@@amari7782same

[@akirayuki6275]

I also wish numbers were shown, mainly batteries, there's been many times in which I'd use a new character I wanted to pull, but haven't checked their kit in depth and I'd make assumptions on how much battery they have, or even servants I only use once in a while. It'd be useful also for people who don't farm that much and as such can't max a servants skill immediately, and there's maybe a threshold of skill level they can stop at to allow for some setups

[@JakeMatthews-OnLo]

@@amari7782I’m not gonna name drop because it’ll start bigger pointless arguments, I’ll just say after years of watching FGOTubers, the only ones I like and tolerate are Fino, Myst, story readers like Tanner (most of the times), Dai, Green (when he’s not having a meltdown ranting because he can get very toxic), and Otto bean (who’s can be very bias, and sadly has a podcast with some of my divisive co-host) and I still remember old ones like Voice Saint Quartz who’ve sadly stopped making FGO Content.

[@JakeMatthews-OnLo]

@@amari7782I’m not giving answers because every KZbinr has active followers so you can look for answers your self. I’m not going through everyone’s video to tell you which comments I found condescending for their dry shit humor, or who had an angry post on this video.

[@jlester163]

1:29:42 i for one am not a streamer so i dont have anything or anyone to keep me company for hours. I for SURE(and have) will accidentally fall asleep on my 100th repeat on lotto, just let me use 50 gapples and be done with it, i'd rather play another or watch a movie than to sit and press for the 100th time in the same repeating pattern MANUALLY on a node, and fyi hell no im watching and playing at the same time it makes the chances of misclickiing higher

[@Xedllin]

Me sitting on my 1k+ golden apples just because I get bored even just doing 4 stages doing the literal same thing for each run... Auto/rerun/multirun is the most stupidest thing FGO players tend to defend especially when it comes to people who stream as they play or use FGA.

[@coldfrost5]

yeah the why he say that it's kinda rubbing the wrong way like i get it when it's a challenge quest or hard boss but when during farming and grinding especially lotto event and it will get repetitive and tired and wasting time, the game is not an mmorpg grinding when your can move to attack you and timing your skill. Autobattle make your time not wasted cuz time is precious resource for me. Also myst take for the refund energy is bs kinda bs cuz it only doesn't effect you if you are a veteren player with many apple but not to new player.

[@AstolfoOfCharlemagne]

There's a reason why after the years went on and the rise of other gachas introduced auto and/or quest sweeps after all, and it became either a standard or introduced not long into a game's life (Arknights, Blue Archive, Princess Connect, Star Rail, Nikke -- there's many notable ones to list and each one throughout the years). FGO (to me) became the biggest highlight of the example of not respecting the time of a player, I want to be in the party that believes there's people in the development team that cannot be this tone deaf after now nine years, but ultimately cannot execute due to the higher ups not allowing it. This ultimately is so easy to fix with as much as allowing people to sweep Free Quests after clearing them the necessary times for a reward, then obviously having to do the logical manual labor for anything that's story (Main, Interlude, Even, etcetera). But here we are, ultimately many of the bad, dated and more negative details continue to be highlighted by how other games come to light a fire under FGO's feet quite literally as the years go by.

[@aokyoutsuki7744]

was about to comment this, i realize the main rebuttal to this about "but the gameplay" stems from people who play games AS their career path, not for the people slaving many hours a day on jobs and responsibilities that really take their utmost attention better have the accessibility than not

[@lordironhidex]

Yeah the "read the wiki" stuff that you and your chat is coping is because you have already been used to it. I am also a long-time player but I agree with what Pseychie is stating

[@internetgoat4831]

I'm an Ex-FGO player but goddamn I never realized how much of an apologist or defenders FGO players are when it comes to FGO. No wonder the game does not have tremendous improvements in a decade besides additional content or events.

[@ceobe108]

Yeah that’s the FGO classic, you see them act like the game has no issues and call it nitpicks.

[@ahoyforsenchou7288]

"I never realized how much of an apologist or defenders FGO players are when it comes to FGO" Seriously? How did you never notice this?

[@internetgoat4831]

​@@ahoyforsenchou7288 Because I'm not in too deep the Gacha Communities despite playing these Games. I'm well adjusted enough to know a Gacha game isn't healthy enough, much worse if you get yourself into their communities.

[@haganetsume8173]

Man, the amount of denials and copium myst has in this is insane.

[@oh4835]

Ikr, it's like seeing a gaslit abuse victim. Every time he laughs like an idiot on a valid point, I'm like cringing so hard why he doesn't see outdated systems as an issue

[@ShamamalamaSama]

"You just got to read the wiki" is massive copium. The fact that the devs of a 9 year old game that rakes in millions of dollars every year can't even fix basic presentation issues is wild. That twitch chat calling this a nitpick is part of the reason why the devs feel like they can get away with things that would've been unacceptable in any other gacha game.

[@MrHoxworth]

FGO players and Genshin players are the core reasons why problems with those games are not fixed the "it's fine, it's always been like that" and similiar excuses don't change it's an issue

[@rohmattrimulyadi9171]

​@@MrHoxworthyeah fgo and genshin players are on par of how much hating its own game but simultaniously defending it and throws money on it

[@slaine7874]

It's always interesting to see how two people who love FGO can have a completely different take on the game's problems. I think a lot of us that complain are actually doing it out of love, because we want the game to be better and for the BILLIONS of dollars this franchises brings in to be reinvested into it in more ways. I for instance love the game and agreed with him on every single criticism and I think he could have gone further with some of them. Do I hate this game? Obviously not, I'm still playing it. Sure some of that is sunk-cost but I'm also just here to see how the ride ends. I think a lot of CCs in general are overly flowery about the game to the point where they start viewing legitimate game problems as "nitpicking." If something that fundamentally improves quality-of-life in all these games is missing in FGO, no matter how niche you may see that feature, it's still embarrassing that a top grossing game is failing to modernize and makes next to zero attempt to bring in new players by bringing aspects of the game up to modern standards. I hate to always bring up Hoyoverse but you have to admit they do reinvest a significant portion of their profits back into the game and community. There's regular live concerts, multiple fully animated shorts for almost every new character, and regular newsletters before a patch drops to let everyone know what's in it, what's changed, and what is planned for the future. Their games are far from perfect, but Lasengle could desperately use them as an example on engagement and improvement.

[@AnArrogantFool]

i agree so much especially the nitpicking comment, i cant believe critiquing outdated UI for them is consider "nitpicking" i think i loss some brain cell NGL.

[@EbullientSMP]

Myst: the movie

[@juliuskazunaga8916]

😂😂😂😂

[@tuvshuu2400]

1:29:42 , well thats just because fgo has nothing else to do aside from farming in late game. Who actually enjoys farming for hours on end during lotteries and shit?

[@amari7782]

Except in other games they also suffer from the same problem in one way or another. The main point is that if you wanna play just to have a system that takes away any reason to play for the day then why play the game at alo

[@2BAMaster9]

@@amari7782Exactly. Auto battle ruins games

[@DigitalStarry]

@@amari7782well they could add better permanent content that isnt boring farming. Monthly grail fronts and boss replays for one

[@abrahammesrajecorrea2349]

​@@amari7782... because yoy may have a life and responsabilities to attend to and CAN'T farm in the moment but maybe some other time you can? I fail to see how people can't understand that. Like when I was unable to farm Summer 4 back in the day because of University with exams week, having a heavy week in my part time job and commuting (while sleeping in the bus instead of playing FGO, sometimes even sleeping while playing FGO) made me miss Summer Hokusai until the rerun. Just add it as an option in case you're busy but still allow people to manually farm. It's not that hard to understand 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@amari7782]

@@abrahammesrajecorrea2349 except the issue at hand is that in those situations it really doesn’t sound like it’d actually fix the issue. I get having some kind of option but at the same time games that do have it tend to rely on it to a point that you really don’t need to even play the game at all.

[@dkcgaming1892]

The worst part of being an FGO fan is seeing the little things that can make FGO great but Nasu, Lasengle, and the suits all of them combined simply do not want it to be good. It will stay mediocre because all the pieces are there but little bad decisions like unable to see atrributes and traits and skill magnitudes and inconsistent Rank Up schedules just pile up and make it incredibly frustrating.

[@Helixneek]

I still believe that most of FGO shenanigans are caused by Aniplex meddling. Nasu and the Lasengle devs want to make good content and they clearly can, but they can't do much if the owners of the company and the ones who give the budget don't care about it.

[@dkcgaming1892]

@@Helixneek Nasu has more power than you think, and I 100% believe a lot of the bad gameplay decisions are because of his meddling.

[@abrahammesrajecorrea2349]

​@@dkcgaming1892guy is into old school games, so of course he wouldn't see a problem with part of the gameplay when compared to other games, I guess...

[@ryanwest6035]

@@Helixneek Nasu/Type Moon has denied numerous animation updates and character buffs as per 2-San because "the moment didn't feel right". Basically Nasu wants an Ordeal Call 2 Id situation for Jalter but its just stupid when stuff like Iskandar doesn't get a buff during last years Grail Front and than you have to factor in every Anniversasry has 14 random buffs anyway.

[@Helixneek]

@@ryanwest6035 @dkcgaming1892 oh i didn't know that. Thanks for the info

[@alreadyd1d]

This video kinda shows, that many fgo players deserve bad treatment, lol.

[@shinyamiyano224]

Man y’all spoiled this game too much. I see people defending about not having the quick clear, but when farming is like 99% of content, player could benefit from having it. And also I saw some on the live chat said that FGO doesn’t need too much content because players need time to work, aren’t you contradicting yourself there? And again, I just find the “use the wiki” logic very stupid. When you have to rely on dataminers and 3rd party site to even access to the most basic stuffs in game, it’s not just “oh I’m used to it”. It the game having UI problems and devs are too lazy to fix it. FGO are probably the only gacha still pulling this shit, no other gacha is having this problem. This is 2024, not Stone Age. And they made tons of money already, they could have try to keep the game quality up to today standard.

[@DigitalStarry]

And if FGO came out this year it would have flopped horribly. The only reason it gets away with it is because it came to the market early enough and now people are too invested to quit

[@lendlibuan8652]

Yep you are right, and bulk ussage of ap is avalid solution and yet he said “meh” to it. What is he, a masochist? That’s why out of all the fgo youtubers, he is is the most close minded to it to be honest.

[@MystFGO]

But the farming being 99% is specifically why I think auto clears would be awkward too. Because think about, since there is hardly other meaningful content besides some new story every 1-3 months, what would you even be playing the game for then? BUT if we did have stuff like rotational end game content for juicy rewards, other game modes etc. THEN I feel like auto clears for farming could be warranted of course so one could spend their time on the actual meaningful content.

[@Babamukuru_]

​@@MystFGO I think thats what people are mostly trying to say tbh. The game SHOULD have rotating end game modes, rogue likes, tower events or other meaningful content. Because right now its just grinding, either grinding to grail and max out your favorite servants or grinding to level all your servants... Once the story is cleared there's pretty much no content except farming for the sake of farming, so it would be nice that some of this farming time could be cut down in favor of actual endgame content to do. And these autofarm and efficiency requests are based on the assumption that FGO will actually add meaningful content to do...

[@lendlibuan8652]

@@MystFGO that’s why he suggested instead of full auto, we can do bulk farming so that it will still have the essence of what makes the fgo combat system like 3 turn farming and broken supports and etc. The point is, not having some kind of auto or the lack of way to alleviate the tediousness (I’m being generous for calling it tedious by the way) of the farming for this game and it will also lead the developers to create better game modes instead of just farming as an end game content.

[@mensalveare9130]

Riddle me this, folks. How many times did you or chat say "That is dumb, you will only save a few seconds, there is no need for that" during the whole video? How many "few seconds" did that add up to? How many times do you have to repeat those "few seconds" every day? Every hour? Why are you so hell-bent of having your time wasted in every single aspect of a game that rakes in MILLIONS each month? Why are you completely okay with coddling the small, indie company?

[@oh4835]

Because they don't think. They're like mindless zombies. We shouldn't expect them to have common sense, cause if they did the game would've fixed the shitpile of problems they have right now.

[@anime_walls2099]

A 2hr video is new in this era

[@cephon6198]

usually video game essays are 8hrs long

[@simplyrem779]

Please keep in mind Pseychie critics is based on the industry standard. Anyone can say "i don't really mind it", but that's not reflecting the rest of the player base.

[@pickaxepixie518]

1:48:30 i think i heard somwhere they said something like "its as hard to rerun events as it is to make new ones" which is total cap btw. cant find a source for it tho

[@gangler52]

Like Myst says, the review rating the late game challenge content "Within Expectations" is pretty generous. Challenge content basically doesn't exist in the game. Once a month they'll release 1 challenge quest that'll be around for a week or two and then gone forever. The quest will reward 1 clear. Basically they give you a taste of challenge content once in a blue moon. Get their little dispenser and put a droplet of challenge content on your tongue. But if you were to ask an FGO player about challenge content on any random day the answer probably is that there flatout is no challenge content available for them to participate in. They could search every menu, go through all the maps, and find nothing that wouldn't be easily clearable so long as they brought 1 fully levelled servant with class advantage.

[@gangler52]

In Granblue I can just log on and tackle Super Bahamut or Hexachromatic Hierarch. I can do that today, yesterday, tomorrow, any time at all as long as the servers are running.

[@ryanwest6035]

Bruh you're talking out your ass Let me see you clear the Herc, Sigurd, Arjuna and Cu Alter Advanced Quests with just 1 servant.

[@gangler52]

@@ryanwest6035 The Advanced Quest that rewards nothing after its initial clear, and is likely already cleared? It's little better than the monthly event challenge quests. It's a novelty if you wanna spend your AP doing nothing.

[@ahmadmalik3549]

The last line of defense people on copium is "it's not that bad"

[@xLuis89x]

it's the most used line when FGO players see any kind of criticism about their game.

[@oh4835]

It's a complete brain rot response

[@hitathighs]

FGO players not wanting auto clears is insane to me. Is playing the same stage dozens of times considered fun for you guys? It's kinda sad that the game doesn't have enough content to satiate its players, so most of their time is just spent farming stages. Isn't that a fundamental failing of a game?

[@imtoolazyforaprofilepic4961]

I use Fate Grand Automata to clear it for me and get shunned for it. It's nonsense.

[@EYYYYYJustin]

​@@imtoolazyforaprofilepic4961 what is this automata thing. Tell me!

[@chainofenkidu9451]

ok at some point the "is it really that big of a deal" really stacks up, you can't just say that something doesn't matter if it is in fgo or not, but if other games remove those feature it will be instant downgrade to the ux, then I don't see why fgo suddenly get to have a pass for not having them.

[@President-of-Funny]

1:36:05 myst you're normalising it. yes no other gacha game currently does this, to buy level up mats without using money. at least to my knowledge. but the point is that there shouldn't BE a limit on using pure prisms. its holding back the system. because eventually you'll get to a point where you've bought out everything and have remaining pure prisms doing nothing at all.

[@MystFGO]

Oh I still agree on that don't worry. My NA account is so farmed up that all that I buy with pure prisms are just a max stack of new materials when they drop because I don't need the old ones lol.

[@gluttonyfang6674]

Fate Grand Order is a terrible and atrocious game blessed with a good writer and creative artists.

[@ReInvader]

not too much, many stories as lb7, ordean call or some singularities are bad, neither speak about the events which are enormous wells of text of sh*ts

[@xLuis89x]

and a loved IP

[@DaSzyslak]

Watching this video is like watching a dashcam of a cop talking with a girl who lives through domestic violence and when the police remarks how bad that is and how she could live in a better life and relationship, she just says "Yes but... He's so good at me when he's not drunk"

[@Prahalad3362]

I watched it on release, and while it is a well researched video and the ranking is fair, he actually does a lot of disservice to FGO itself too. These are the main points I had in support or against his video back then: 1. FGO should remain VN like: TRUE. Imo FGO should keep its VN like style and not be 3D like HSR or other games, as it is a live service VN gacha, with its creative head wanting to follow this vision. I will also agree that live 2D art should be implemented. 2. I personally dont know about voiced stories, because each script of FGO is so large that i really dont think there would be enough space (You cant bring up other gachas, due to how monstrous FGOs scripts can be). BUT I CAN BE WRONG ABOUT THIS. 3. You mention developers a lot, and I assume you mean game devs. For FGO fans, our game devs are beloved, because there have been instances where they fought against the corporation to get us features and QoL. And most of us believe the servant coins and Anni 9 systems were also corporation greed and not devs. 4. By saying main story chapter had a 16 month gap for LB 6 and 7 is kind of disingenious because even though they are not full fledged LBs, Tunguska and Traum are very pivotal to the story and lore, just brushing that aside imo is not right. But I do agree FGO stories should try to come out more frequently. The problem is Nasu, who can change the story on a whim, writes novel length stuff (he revamped LB 6 completely coz he was inspired by Oberon) and that detriments game major updates for story. 5. The points inflation is slightly false. IDK about Summer 7 event, but almost every other event if not all which had a points system actually cost the same AP (stamina) irrespective of the actual points required, they just arbitarily put those numbers 6. Servant coins are scum of the earth 7. Every event chapter that has lore relevance is permanently playable, the other are fluff and character building arcs if at all 8. Extremely great observation about in game information for FGO. They really need to work on that. 9. GSSRs and Destiny Summons are a steal in almost any gacha game, not only FGO, if you look at the price of getting an additional unit in most gachas.

[@ryanwest6035]

you only have to see how much gig downloading all the valentine voice cut scenes adds to see that having main story fully voiced would make fgo unplayable for 90% of its audience as they would need to upgrade phones, especially on ios. i remember once mentioning this and had someone say they should copy cygames and let people download voices per chapter node/scene.. but here's the thing..that's probably a cygames patent as i've never seen that done in a non cygames gatcha. A lot of people go "why can't fgo do this" and to be honest a lot of stuff is under patent. Why can't i level skills from 1 to 10 instantly and consume all the mats at once? Because that sort of thing is under patent by DENA/CyGames. I don't think people realize how horrible patents are for video games, there used to be loading games you can play while a game loads but after someone slapped a patent on that GG.... fighting games have notoriously bad training modes... because whenever something is done to advance it they get writ up and patented.

[@blocklv55]

@@ryanwest6035 Finally someone mentioning patents, it's so annoying seeing people compare games and just say they should port qol not realize that there are patents to block exactly that.

[@haroldmosley1751]

I'd like to say I really appreciate the way you itemized your responses to his points.

[@Sparksparky1]

Well for the global side of things what lasangle can do is make English/global dub if people would rather treat fgo as something to listen to over something to read and I'm talking about giving them the same accents from where the servants originated from it Also makes the story more immerseve I would also give the user to turn of the whole English dub thing I'd they think its annoying them let's look at the British servants for example For example artoria having a cockney accent simply because she was raised and born in Orkney despite arthurian legend being welsh meanwhile merlin has his welsh accent and sherlock having his British accent meanwhile the nordic servants get a Scandinavian accent like sigurd and brynhildr As for anime adaptions you can keep the original american voice actors like artorias and merlins

[@DigitalStarry]

GSSRs are a scam, its a random chance lol at least in some other games for their anniversaries they let you pick what character you want

[@lostanimeworld11]

Septem was more of a dis-service for me, because I dislike Nero after that disaster of a chapter.

[@MystFGO]

😂😂

[@rocketcat086]

50:02 pain. This part hits like ur parents saying " I'm not mad , just disappointed"

[@lollolz-w2n]

Holy Stockholm syndrome, the mental gymnastics to say 'it is not that bad' is hilarious. I don't think Myst ever played a modern gacha that isn't a Hoyo title.

[@ReInvader]

well, the average of mobil game are tr*sh, specially gacha games.

[@lollolz-w2n]

@@ReInvader Oh for sure, Pseychie made a video with an example of a horrible cash grab game, but I mean the excuses made compared to good modern gacha games are just sad. And the question 'what can we do???' is also hilarious, you know what you could do? Stop giving a publisher that obviously takes you out like a fish money. It is that easy.

[@ikram1572]

@@ReInvader Nah man, gacha games have the most best stories since they need to hook you with something other than gameplay. Like when I played Nikke for *plot* but got interested in the actual story. Or Guardian Tales where they have a great story and the most fun gameplay I've had from any gacha games.

[@ReInvader]

@@ikram1572 at the end you search for gameplay, if the gameplay is bad one decente history cannot save it. Please man, its gameplay on average is based on micropayments and tedious farming. You come from college, work and the last thing you want is to continue doing sh*ty activities. And they are services, when their time finally, the serves will fallen and all of you made will be nothing. I reached the 7 world of GT and the history is not many better than one main pokemon game. Any rpg has better history

[@ikram1572]

@@ReInvader Gameplay is important yeah, but the main selling point of gacha games are usually the story. FGO's gameplay is dogwater, the story carries the game. And you played GT till world 7, that's literally a world away from where the good stuff happens. It's like playing FGO and dropping it at the 5th singularity. At the end of the day gameplay varies from person to person, some might like the grindy nature of FGO or some might like a RPG like GT.

[@pod2781]

I agree with everyone who says relying on the wiki is BS. "Increase offensive debuff resistance". ... Okay, by how much? What counts as an offensive debuff and what doesn't? It's silly, honestly.

[@antialpaka1186]

When you talk about the voice lines the servants say when you level them up and when he bring up the problem with the wiki you really let out the apologist. "People who are interested in the game will eventually look up stuff in the wiki as well." Yeah, No Shit Sherlock, but this is about essential imformation. Imagine they would make a character that looks absolutely gorgeous and everyone rolls for him/her. And then they find out that all skills and the NP are complete garbage and they just wasted 200 SQ.

[@ivanbluecool]

Fgo could definitely be better in a lot of ways that they the fgo company have already used in events. Just keep reusing the features you already made. Tesla fest is a good example of this. Let us have a 90+ node to start so veterans can just start farming. Would be better especially for the fuyuki locked events where they need to down scale for new players. Silver apples for the rest of the stages so people do them once for the net gain. Also lower cost of runs to 30 not 40. It gives players more time to play so fgo can hold them longer Use the BP system again as an alternative for boss grinding as that's a system that could be fun to bring back. 6 unit comp without support wish that was one we could do as am option. Same with forced story support if we already have the unit as my ereshkigal is definitely stronger than the support one. The low star damage boost from old hag fest. That balances the entire roster and gives back to those who grailed their low stars the most. Basically to conclude. Fgo is fun. It's f2p friendly with the amount f support you get from fp and welfares overall but it could be better using the systems it already had in game more often

[@inokori7146]

the amount of players coping and just taking FGO's bullshit in the chat is so worrisome lmao even Myst is coping out the whazoo, but i guess when youve been on an abusive relationship for 9 years you welcome the beating

[@asmmahfuz8569]

This is the exact reason FGO got away with all their BS. Just look at the 9th anni and you will see what happens when the players actually fights back. Even after witnessing this, players are be like, "it's fine, I like when I am beaten down".

[@somerinsimp4327]

Fgo players are beyond help, especially over at Japan.

[@DigitalStarry]

Can you really be surprised? The people who got fed up with FGOs BS quit years ago. The only ones left are the people who rationalize that what the game is doing is okay. Im actually surprised Fate is even allowing a collab with Star Rail even if its just for UBW. Because if FGO players play it for the collab they may never go back to FGO because of how much better Star Rail is.

[@MystFGO]

I was mostly coping to play devil's advocate at some points, I actually agree with almost everything in the video overall. And like Starry said, if one is still playing after all this time you of course see the game a bit differently anyway at this point.

[@inokori7146]

@@MystFGO thats fair, i played until Illya (god knows how long ago that was but i dont) and after i got her (after an insane amount of pulls btw) i realized i had no other motivation to play the game and just quit i probably didnt knew about summer Illya at that point lmao

[@celebi99v68]

I usually don't comment on KZbin but I think this is a good video to express my opinions on the game It's going to be super long so probably no one is going to read this but that's ok I've played FGO JP for more than 7 years and I think some of the bad things said in the original video are fair, especially for a new player, but for a lot of others He is just nitpicking for the sake of prolonging some sections I think the game has some flaws, some bigger than others, but I also think It does a lot of things right and people just take it for granted like: -Ascensions: It's basically 3 skin for every character just for having them and They can also have additionals skins that are completly free It's HUGE Sometimes You like every stage of a pg but other times You pull a character just because You like one specific stage -Rank Up: Most games don't bother to buff older characters but FGO does Not every buff is gamechanging but most of them are good and help increasing the viability of the Servant quite a bit -Powercreep: The game is already 9 years old but doesn't have a powercreep problem Yes, new Servants have more things going on in their kits than old ones but outside of a few trash pg every character in the game is usable, some are stronger than others but if You have the big cards supports you can always use your favorite Servants -Animations: Characters in this game have a lot of animations Al least like 7 for the face cards, 1 extra, 2 for skills a 1 NP And most 5 stars since like 4 years ago have 2 set of animations And They also did animations update Yeah They basically don't do that anymore but while I would love to have them back, outside of a few Servants like Nursery Rhyme or some old low stars, We don't really need them, 95% of the roster already has good animations, They could fix the remaining 5% and improve some ok ones but It's not the end of the world There are also some other minor things that are still quite cool like: -Gacha animations It's not a super important thing but nowdays in gacha games you basically see 2 "animations" for multis a color for multis with 5 stars and a color for multis without 5 stars In FGO you don't know anything until the last card and We also have Gold/Rainbow spins, double face cards, no spin Gold servant, a few unique servants animations It makes pulling fun and not a "I'll skip this 7 multi and see if I won the 50/50" -Support system For most games that don't have a Guild system friends are completly useless while in FGO You HAVE to pick a support servant and is also pretty important I also like other things like the basic gameplay structure, Skills having meaningful Cooldowns, Stamina system I like the menus, They are really easy to navigate, I started a long time ago without knowing a thing about japanese and It was still super easy to understand them I wrote about a lot of good things that the game has and I didn't even touch things like story,characters, music ecc.. Now, I said at the start that the game has flaws so I'll now talk about them Starting with basic Qol like - Maxing skills in 1 tap instead of 10 - Being able to do a multi with 10 tickets - Having numbers on skills For the gacha I think the 2 most important things the should be improved are: -4 star pity: You pull 300 SQ and you choose a 4 star in rate up -Lowering a bit the 5 star pity, I don't want It too low because I don't want FGO to became a "shop game" like modern gachas but 900 is still too high, probably 600 is a good number -Voice acting for the story would be pretty cool to have -Schedule: Dead months are a big NO but not having new things to do every single week is fine for me Gacha should be something that You play when You have time and not a daily/weekly nuisance End game content: -Improving rewards from CQ, 1 lore is too little in 2024 -Add 3 permanent old CQ/story battle every week This way you have "New content" weekly and more endgame things to do They don't even need to waste time thinking about new CQ and everyone is happy I think this game can improve in a lot of different ways but I also love It and really think a lot of things the game does are really cool If You finished reading this message thanks I probably wasted a lot of time writing this message but It's Saturday evening, It's OK lol

[@ramsesruiz1245]

I would like to see monthly Tower like events. I agree with almost all of your takes except for voice in the chapters. I agree that some important scenes can get voices that gives more charm and hype

[@dreamimgflowerd976]

I would also say make the bond CE a bit more usefull. Like turn them into passives. There are almosgt no serveants who's bond CE would be used. Herc's bond CE and Georgois for CQ are one of the very few that are sometimes being used.

[@celebi99v68]

Yeah the complete voiced chapters is something that is never going to happen because of time and storage space but in an ideal world It would be cool to have Bond CE is another thing that needs to be improved but I haven't listed every positive and negative because after like 1.5 hour of writing my brain couldn't keep up anymore ahaha

[@ramsesruiz1245]

@@celebi99v68 the Ce thing is indeed a thing. It might difficult to improve the older Craft essences due to how they are designed to just help some traits or card types that are not useful (with some exceptions of course) so they may improve the effects of upcoming ce but this obviously will make older ce even worst so... Maybe add some kind of really significant boost related to atk and/or hp once we get the bond ce could work. They need to add a major value and usefulness to the bond ce over a other ce to make a improvement there. Related to the qol, I saw in other comments that some of those improvements are locked behind pattents issues. If it is true, maybe getting features exactly as seen in other games probably doesn't happen.

[@CristobalAndres1403]

iirc they can't implement the mechanic of leveling a skill from 1 to 10 because it seems that mechanic is patented in Japan.

[@bobromorca7198]

I am for autobattle, but mostly because when you farm an event, it gets really boring repeating the same loop over and over again. It is fun to find the right combo to min turn, especially when going for the 90++ nodes but having to do this over and over again is killing my brain cells. So i do think that something like Arknights autobattle would work - make the game just repeat your steps. I also think that many of these things that were talked about come from love for FGO. I am not a day one player but I got into the game just a week or two before summer 1 started. Occasionally I check out other games, not much and when I see their features, I really wish that FGO had something similar, along with a tiny voice somewhere inside wondering how come when a game is earning so much, there aren't more fixes to already existing issues? I really just want to see the game be as awesome as it could be.

[@lllKXlll]

Grind is not supposed to be fun, different games have different approaches on how to make the grind more bearable or enjoyable, but the essence is that its charm is not on the activity itself but on the planning and rewards. The simple truth is that grind isn't for everyone, but taking it away definitely takes something out of the game, which is not always the right answer.

[@Susanoo449]

​@@lllKXlllit will not stop people from doing it manually, lots of people use FGA anyway, you don't see the game "losing something " out of it

[@bobromorca7198]

@@lllKXlll I am sorry, I do not think I quite understand? Grinding can be fun and quite frankly should be fun in a game. It is fun to do grinding even in FGO for a little while too.

[@coldfrost5]

​@@Susanoo449me playing fgo on phone farming lotto event manually for 300 time, "wait you guys use fga?"

[@Susanoo449]

@@coldfrost5 some of us don't have time kek

[@Desast000]

active player here still waiting for EOS

[@hollowficate]

Me: *Praying for EOS*

[@dark_rit]

Waiting for EOS over doing it yourself will never not be funny. If you wanted it to end you would right click uninstall right now. If you're staying for lore we're on the internet where everything in the nasuverse is available if you bother looking.

[@Desast000]

​@@dark_rit is life really THAT serious?

[@rocketcat086]

Anytime I see a fgo critique video I'm always like boo this man he's making too much sense

[@MrHoxworth]

daily farming isn't "playing the game" it's a chore something you GOTTA do, you can't just opt out since not matter how OP a character is if they are level 1 they gotta get folded simply by stat advantage, having to do it maualy feels more like a additional JOB now something you do for fun, what "fun" is in doing the same shit on repeat untill you run out and then again and again each time your stamina restores. Don't act like it's the "game" part of any game Also as someone who play's some of the Hoyo's games, Wiki nowadays is useless, you get the sets you need and their stats in game (dunno about genshin since I don't play it), also constelations/eidolons/mindscapes are far better then just a stat increase since you are going to get them on standard characters when you fail those 50/50's, dupes in general are for those truly dedicated who are willing to make strong character to OP one (or OP into a God tier) signatures are more important since in some cases like Yunli are making a world of diffrence between not having them and having and on Wiki point as somone who put "couple" of hours in terraria it's one of the most irritating things that can be, you wanna know anything ? Wiki it's a cope out solution to a bigger problem Also I'm not someone dissimiliar with farming, but compared to "daily fariming" it's something with an end point, I can farm for example Doubble penetrating Unkempt Herald in Borderlands 2 for hours but the moment I get it that's it I have it I don't have to return each day to farm (this was edited and expanded as I went thorught the video)

[@atpr3241]

Tbh, FGO is fundamentally flawed due to using a pre-existing model of the game from 2015. It would need to be reworked from the ground up to truly appease everyone's critiques

[@StereotypicalOtakuu]

Myst, I'm more than halfway through this video, and I am a year 1 FGO veteran who has spent over 1.5k+ hours and over $3000 on the game. I've spent countless hours outside of the game doing homework through guides and wikis. I am what some people would consider an expert at the game. And I have to tell you: you're making so many excuses for F/GO that it's actually disappointing. Nearly everything you have a nitpick from the reviewer, or say "I don't really think it's that big of a deal", is a significant problem that's prevented me from returning to the game in the past two or three years. For example, auto-battle and the poor UI are all basic quality of life changes that should have been made a long time ago. Being able to spend your energy without having to sit there and physically click every single skill and card is a GOOD thing. It doesn't mean the gameplay is bad; it simply means we don't have to participate in more of the farmfest if we do not want to. Time is valuable, a resource that is just as important, if not more, than money, and I no longer want to burn it tapping at a phone screen while hunched over. Not being able to easily transfer data so that I can play the game on my PC and swap back to phone is a real issue, a deeply frustrating one. I was in my early twenties when F/GO released in the U.S., now, I'm about to be 30 years old. I'm not quite the same person anymore, and that extends to my gaming habits. I like having a big screen to play gacha games on. I like not burning hours on farming lotto nodes. It's not worth my time. Arguably, I don't think it's worth anyone's time; people just put up with it. The fact that you, as someone who makes money off of creating content for this game (and thus spend an enormous amount of time with it), don't see these things as 'legitimate' problems, is genuinely troubling for me to think about, conceptually. You may not have a million subscribers, but I worry that your mindset is a microcosm of the collective F/GO playerbase's opinions. The reality is, F/GO is not a good gacha "game". I have my bias with it because I love the story, I love the characters; I wouldn't have given it so much of my time and money if I didn't. But it's just not a good game. How can so much money have been made off Grand Order, and yet, we don't have these basic, fundamental improvements to the game? Even disregarding the gameplay and interface-related criticisms, how are we in Year 9 of F/GO with no partially, or fully-voiced story cutscenes?

[@cristopherandrade3668]

Alright here's my take for FGO: 1.) The Pity system. I kinda agree with Psyche in this one cuz at the end of the day it's really REALLY shitty pity. Been playing for what 8 yrs now and yes the amount of salt already numbed my body to the point of masochism that the only reason why I still play the game was to get to the end of the storyline of Ordeal Call. Cuz let's be honest or at least imo, FGO is already concluded after Solomon arc. Let's say I also consider Lostbelt arc then it's already concluded after Lost Belt 7. To me Ordeal Call is just an epilogue or at least a way for Lasengle to milk the franchise so that's it still floats. Cuz after Ordeal Call imo at least 50 to 60% of player will quit cuz y'know it's already over and I'm sorry but one of those players who will definitely quit FGO after Ordeal Call as I don't wanna walk into the hell of FGO given to me when I 1st walk into it. 2.) About the UI system... I've played a lot of old school RPG's so I think I'm kinda okayish for it but yeah it is really REALLY outdate. The 2015 vibe is really showing there and to me it's kinda frustrating as you need to manually do this and do that just to upgrade a servant or even a Craft Essence. Also it sucks that part of UI system doesn't display more info, I mean sure anything can be wiki'd nowadays and even other Gacha games are doing that but they now fixed that part and only FGO is not catching up into that part. 3.) About story progression, there's not a lot to say about it as it's FGO's strongest suit. I'm just gonna wonder what will happen to it after Ordeal Call was concluded cuz Nasu will not take part of it anymore according to the interviews. 4.) About the gameplay and ease on access to the game. I mean Myst, you have to consider that not all players playing FGO are all casual and doesn't have anything to do. I fact most of us playing it are either students taking some schools or exams or like me who go to work... Meaning thet have limited time to play games so you saying that the game is fine if it doesn't have auto-battle is kinda insulting to me as I always sacrifice my sleep just to play the game (and yes I play the game before I sleep so sometimes I can't finish some events causing me to lose either an event CE or a welfare servant which I already happened before (don't have that warfare servant from Himiko event back then cuz of that)). So having it can be convenient to some players like us who are also busy in life. Again this my take so all can free to agree or disagree with me and I will respect it but that's all of the critiques I have with FGO and again like I said I don't think I will continue playing this game in the future after Ordeal Call is already concluded cuz I wanna be freed from FGO's chain.

[@Fgtr4Life]

I'm currently at the UI part at 1:09:50 as I type this, and I laughed a bit after hearing you say that the upgrade system isn't that bad. I've been sitting here since 20 minutes into the video consolidating and upgrading servants and CEs. Not a battle has crossed my screen in all this time. I wouldn't call it outright bad either, it's just so *tedious* at times. Also, I gotta comment that for games like star rail, WuWa, etc. all the scaling percentages and numbers are in game. You don't need the wiki for anything one a casual-mid casual level in those games, but the wiki stands as a nice bonus. I've been playing FGO since both JP and EN launch, and if the wiki didn't exist I probably would've stopped playing because you *need* it if you want to know any of the underlying values for anything, casual or otherwise.

[@hollowficate]

You know the community is problematic when critising the UI for servant upgrade is seen as nick picking. 1:36:06 HI3. Also this is from a veteran standpoint. I'm aware it's rough as newbie but not impossible tho.

[@TheKazuma410P]

1:10:29 That is kind of false, I know of Nikke having voice lines for limit break and level up. Not subtitled though, so you have to check the voice line to know what they say there. But the ascension dialogue is very nice and I don't remember a game that has some similar interactiont there.

[@alexandrunache9078]

HSR for ascension as well and I think HI3 also has level up voice lines (so there's no excuse that only newer games do that)

[@TheBloodyNights]

I don't have a ton of experience with gacha games. DBZ: Dokkan Battle, Fire Emblem Heroes, Granblue, Genshin Impact, Star Rail, and ZZZ I think are it for me besides FGO, I guess I did play a tiny bit of SF Duel, and KOF: All Stars. I pretty much dropped all of them except FGO. The great thing about FGO to me is, I feel like it doesn't waste my time. I log in spend like 5-10 minutes grinding a resource, I can use apples to play more, or make an apple if I don't have time to spend my ap. When an event comes I focus on that over a standard grind, and when singularity/lost belt shows up, I set aside time to really play the game to read through the story. Which is basically as long as it would take for me to play through a normal sized video game, more or less depending on the game. A skip button isn't needed for such a tiny grind. Lottos are the only painful moments if you go hard, but FGA is there for that when it gets too tedius. Other gacha's want me to do some weird dailies that are super tedius, or I grind artifacts, gears etc with random stats and they are useless, while also needing to grind for EXP, Gold, Skill material, ascension material etc Maxing out a Mihoyo character...is torture tbh. I agree that it's a bit dumb that you can't see the values of skills, and I know that even 7 years in NA? That I still have no idea if a servant is earth, sky etc. Though I also don't think using the wiki is that hard. And for pretty much any game I don't play casually I'm usually looking something up. Menu's are easy to navigate though, and I don't feel quite as cluttered as most mihoyo games. Pity system does suck though, especially if you are gunning for the 4 star servant. I wish there was a selector. I'm still annoyed that Martha Ruler's banner during christmas was a shared rate up with Beowulf and I got 4 Beowulf's and 0 Martha's even though I already have her NP5, I still needed 5 more of her for 120 all appends. I also think crossplay would be nice so I could use my tablet to play at home, and my phone while I'm out. But over all FGO's characters, and story carry it. The gameplay can be fun too. Which is why it beats out every other gacha that I've played. Honestly I think this will also be the last gacha I play. My wallet will be safer that way!

[@charlesj12345]

2220 sq for np2 arc still hurts me to this day

[@samuelyonatanprastajati_0126]

I really think grail front should be a weekly content that could have been easily modified a bit for the enemy and material reward. Oh yeah and the tower event where a servant needs to rest after a battle could have been easily turned into monthly content. This type of content would actually also encourage players to level up more servants and actually could use them in meaningful battle.

[@gangler52]

It's insane to me that FGO has an entire game mode that only exists during events maybe once or twice a year. There is no permanent Grail Front content to speak of. Honestly, there's very little permanent content at all, which imo is the biggest problem with the game. The game almost ceases to be a game when there's no event running.

[@onimateria]

I played a lot of gacha games over the years but FGO is one of the few that stuck with me despite it's issues tbh. I think it's funny he's using other gachas as better examples but... As someone who still plays Arknights and Nikke... The skill descriptions on those games are inadequate too. Sometimes its lost in translation, sometimes it's hard to understand a skill until someone actually makes a spreadsheet. Anyone who plays gacha for gameplay will read outside sources because they are never adequate enough in-game. As for voiced lines, I do enjoy an occasional voiced line but I read and skip them fairly often in other games. I am not going to wait for the VO to finish when I am already done reading. And for pity, Nikke is actually insanely generous for F2P for a gacha game, no other game compares to that. That's why it has a lot of skin battle passes and skin gachas to compensate and honestly it's nice for someone like me who doesn't care about skins all that much. It does have a lot of material packs while gatekeeping f2p players to a limited amounts of daily materials which is a big negative. Mihoyo games pity is a trap because you need multiple duplicates for a decent amount characters to get a complete character. Not to mention the double gacha system with equipment... As for material gathering. I do not want a material upgrade system (Arknights). A lot of gachas complicate the materials needed for upgrades, I do not want to grind a lesser material to upgrade to a high grade material. Because 9 times out of 10, you only use the high grade and the highest grade material. They add a million different materials overtime anyways. As for no battle pass, or item shop? Really? Do you really want me to spend money to get forced to get a good CE on a battle pass? Or buy materials with $$ instead of farming? Those games either gatekeep you in stamina/ limited attempts per day/ or low drop rates / massive amounts of materials required to encourage spending money. I don't think using predatory aspects of other gachas as positives are good examples. FGO getting a 6/10 in terms of gacha QoL, rates etc is an agreeable score overall. We are sticking around for the excellent story and characters while complaining about the other shortcomings all the time.

[@Truck-kun11]

I still think that 6/10 is a bit too generous when you compare FGO to other games of the same type on the market, and that the plethora of basic QoL that the game still lacks brings the score down to a 5/10 in my opinion.

[@doubleoz1]

Agree, however giving it a 6 is justified as well since the fate franchise give birth to all glorious doujin out there XD

[@A77Everything]

I believe he doesn't give any gacha game, no matter how good, above an 8 because their function as gachas inherently makes them not a 9 or 10. I don't know if that changes your opinion, as his scale caps at 8 essentially

[@pougetguillaume4632]

Unfortunatly his rating system SUCKS He will never give below 5 because the game exist and therefore it deserves at least 5 (wtf no this is stupid) or above 8 because it's a gacha and gacha are predatory (then why do you only cover gacha???? Rating are comparative in the first place, apples and oranges and all that give us 9 and 10 already you don't review any other type of game) So he only uses like 4 numbers: 5 (cash grabs), 6 (only for fgo iirc), 7 and 8 (top score) so in reality he uses 2 number 90% of the time: 7 and 8 It's really stupid, mid is 7 and peak is 8 wtf

[@DigitalStarry]

@@pougetguillaume4632i agree, he might as well just use a 1-5 scoring system or something because most of the numbers don’t exist in his rating scale. 5/10s should be averages, 2/10s should be barely functional cash grabs and so forth

[@ikram1572]

@@pougetguillaume4632 ikr, it's stupid only reviewing gacha games when you use the standard of regular games. What's the point.

[@Auchaser643]

I wholeheartedly disagree with your "why you playing the game?" Rebuttal regarding auto skip. Nobody realistically says "oh boy i sure do love running qp or ember nodes, doing the same rotation manually over and over" like, come on that is a ridiculous notion. Being able to skip the farming is a good thing, there is a reason the community loved FGA, it made the worst part of the game bearable. Zero idea why you would think skipping farming, which would allow you to focus on other aspects of the game itself is a bad idea or why you got weirdly defensive there, it is a literal waste of time so you can get to where you can actually do what you are looking to do. Then again, I also disagreed with the "meh it's in the wiki, it's fine" notion. It is NEVER fine for a player to have to use an external resource to have all the information needed, an external resource should be an addition to the game and not a crutch holding it up.

[@imtoolazyforaprofilepic4961]

I love the Arknights approach of "finding the optimal farming" being a joy in itself. The excuse of FGO denying and avoiding autofarm because there's "no other thing to do without it" is lame. All servants will hit the bond 10 eventually, you get SQ by building them and so many charismatic characters will one way or another convince you to shake up your teams beyond the *Morgan+Vitch/Ibuki+Castoria* in every stage and boss. There's no excuse, autofarm or at least stacking should be implemented.

[@AbdulazizOla]

1:57:45 mostly main characters of the chapter are in the first banner, while the second banner let you guessing while you read the chapter as who will be released, it is different

[@evilmgo2]

Oh gods. FGO HAS a gearing system its called Craft Essence, and you cant even farm it. Myst is defending stuff like mindless repeat of skills everyday to farm mats you need... ITS NOT FUN when you have to do it a billion times to get anyting done. It's repetitive and doesnt engage any brain power cause nothing changes. at all. It's just a bad practice to force someone to do it. I know he spent half of his life playing it but defending outdated mechanics or ui is just silly.

[@hollowficate]

Brainrot. Too much of mindless repetitive stuff can do that to you. It boggles my mind that people are against options.

[@xLuis89x]

@@hollowficate I mean, what is there to expect? he spent waay too much money in the game even when it slapped him in the face, he loves getting shit on and espending a lot of time doing a repetitive sequence every time he ''plays'' the game.

[@Emalight_1st]

Myst saying account crossplay is not a big deal, when I have lost my old account (due to a broken phone) and couldn't get it back made me angry. Everyday I lament for my NP 3 Arjuna Alter, Skadi, and NP 2 Oberon to return to me.

[@Truck-kun11]

1:35:51 I don't know, I think only in... ALL OF THEM! Practically every Gacha nowadays has a store where you can buy materials and that restocks monthly or mechanics that let you convert low rarity materials into rarer materials to make grinding easier.

[@haroldmosley1751]

I'm curious since the only other gacha games I play are Star rail and ZZZ. how many of those shops do you get the currency for just gameplay? Because unless I've been missing something the Hoyo games require you to roll the gacha to get that resource.

[@amari7782]

@@haroldmosley1751 i know Arknights has it but there version is just farm for lower tier materials and convert. Wuthering waves has it Pgr just gives you tons of material boxes

[@Assasin2]

I’ve never played a game that just lets you do that without requiring you roll the gacha a ton. Most of the games that do that require you farm hard on the content that gives you the mats because they give you so few per run, or they require you to roll the gacha constantly so then it’s hardly an “amazing” feature if I’m being punished for saving for someone.

[@yuue925]

​​@@Assasin2 I mean fgo mats aren't locked behind the gacha (you can't get any with gacha token). You get them on your story progress, or with pure prism you get from the story, events you grind or daily quests . You can get exp and other things (like the monthly summon tickets) also from mana prisms which isn't lock behind gacha either but you get with dailies and events. Da vinci mana prism shop is the equivalent monthly shop you get in other gachas like hsr , genshin etc but the token you need in hoyo games for example is locked behind the gacha that's what' s really annoying to me. It's litterally there to bait people to get mats they can't get anymore due to the limited energy system again like when you lack one mat and you don't have energy to get it anymore etc AND if you're out of the shop token you can't get the summon tickets anymore either and then you need to roll in the gacha if you want more etc etc.

[@korojaspin]

So fucking true its insane, materials should be able to be bought and restocked every 3 month if not monthly and fgo having it for pure prisms good but never restocking is straight up stupid, i literally give the JP version 2 years max before the community release a better game just like what happened with Nintendo and Pokémon emerald

[@sumireako]

Honestly, I'm sorry but i'm hearing a lot of cope coming from this video. And most of the excuses just end up being, "you'll get used to it" which shouldn't be the case, players shouldn't just accept that it won't change because they've clearly shown they can do it. Most of the judgement made in Pseychie's video are made with the knowledge of playing other gacha games, and when a lot of gacha simply show it can be better, it's not an excuse for a company that has the funds, knowledge, and has already done, to not make their game better. My first point and the point that he didn't agree with, "FARMING", I for one do like grinding, rpg are my favorite, but even I will say that fgo has absurd levels of grinding, it might even contest an mmo if not for you only needing to grab the needed stuff. You might like the farming, but that's only because you are an old player that has been farming since the start, who's devoted to playing the game, you are already used to farming and probably has a lot of materials stocked and only need to farm some when you need more, but for a new casual player who barely has anything, and has to farm for every single new servant, including the skills, appendices, that's a lot of grinding. and imagine if they only have time to do this, a few times a week, not even binge farming can solve this. My case in point "EVIL BONE HELL" all fgo players know this hell, you could go the insane route and farm fuyuki C a thousand times, or you can farm fuyuki G to farm it a hundred times, which is still a lot, again consider if they can only do it a few times a week. a player like that would have a hard time progressing. Second point, "USE THE WIKI" is not an excuse when it's an easy, but just a lot of work to fix. heck if they we're smart with coding, they wouldn't need to brute force every single one and create a code that can easily solve this. We shouldn't be relying on the wiki to understand the basics of a character, it should be used for minmaxing, looking for some info that you missed, or looking at a character that you don't have. It's not a good excuse to say, "Just use the wiki" just because you got used to it. a developers job is to make the game better, and this is one simple way of doing that.

[@sumireako]

Heck i think even what i made needs a lower pity counter with what little sq they give, my true wish is they should focus on making more characters since, fgo passion lies in the story of the characters, they can even make more variation of characters that already exist that they are not using, that's already there. They should separate banners by type of servant, even limited ce banners, and lower the pity by a LOT, and they wouldn't suffer a lot, You know why? because your right we don't play this for the gameplay, we play this because a character is cute, or cool, or sexy, or what every the heck Columbus is. We would still roll for it, but with the knowledge that theirs a pity that we can get at least 1 of the featured characters, every month and they keep popping out more, there will still be the people that will spend a lot to cap their favorite character, and there's also a limited version of that character, they will spend more. but at least everyone is happy since, you are getting what you want and they get your money. instead of the uncertainty of never getting the character after spending 800+ sq just to end up not getting what you want, and then the pity resets.

[@Altseinx]

On the AutoBattle part, you can still choose to manual the game should you want to. Not sure why you want to block everyone else from being able to auto-battle just because you don't like to.

[@FrenchieSensei]

About the "skip button" thing I believe he mostly was referring to farm stages. Full auto can obviously be easily bad for a game, but for a game that has a lot of farming stages repeatively that you already cleared with 3 stars, which most gacha games require you to do a loooot, it's definitely a miss not to have a way to spend your AP in a fast way. Then you can enjoy the fights on more fun and entertaining content like story, endgame etc.

[@abs305]

The voiced story would be nice but given how large story chapters are (not to mention the Seiyuus from some of the chars involved) I don't think it'll ever happen which i'm fine with. To bring up with a Genshin comparison it's the same as why world quests like Aranyaka or Golden Slumber will never be voiced.

[@cyber_zenith1501]

57:45 FACTS. It's already been a year since I started playing, and my main reason remains the same: I see a character I like, I save for that character to get it. Being F2P is tough, but I managed to get some of the servants I wanted; honestly, I'm enjoying the time I have playing the events, story and W moments in the gacha, and ofc, watching funny moments from the content creators (tho I don't like the idea of events being locked aways bc of story progress).

[@oh4835]

What you and this FGO youtuber is saying, don't think. Sure. Don't think, just buy product and get excited for next product

[@eeriecode1628]

1:30:00 For the topic of quest skip, I can offer some perspective. When I played Symphogear XD, they eventually added a similar functionality to the non-story quests: since the battle system was mostly autobattle with the option to trigger special moves at certain timings, they added the option to "queue" a certain amount of AP items, and the game would automatically replay the battle until that amount of items was consumed or you lost. This was great for farming events or enhancement materials, since the quests got tedious very quickly, but the game offered a lot of quests where the option wasn't available: the core PvP Arena, where you'd get clapped instantly if you weren't paying attention; daily damage scores against ultra-hard enemies with (semi-)infinite HP; special farming battles against hard enemies with bloated HP; advanced quests that rewarded you with high-tier materials or strong units. In the end, the autofarming simply made the tedious preparation for the real content easier, hard quests and PvP was the core of the game. And FGO... doesn't have that. Advanced Quests? You really have no reason to replay them after the first time, especially since the game doesn't reward you anymore. Hard quests on the Bleached Earth? That might work if you weren't restricted to only thrice a day. Pvp? Thank God the game doesn't have it, that would be hell, but in this case it's yet another point against it in a way. If you take away farming from FGO... what's left?

[@ryanwest6035]

Yeah why would you want to replay certain Advanced Quests for the challenge of using a different comp on a boss fight, I mean if only it gave 99% trash gear like Hoyo weekly bosses it would be so much more fulfilling.

[@homulity5293]

One of my big issues with fgo is how it handles QOL, which is to say rarely. Typcially its an update with anni, and i dont like how they treat it as like... a reward or gift to the player. Take starrail which would just casually drop quality of life in a tone that its owed to the player. Fgo makes enough money that qol should not be as a rare as it is, a there should be a lot of opportunity for fgo to fix various nitpick levek arguments. But i suppose this ties into the issue of the devs never listening with dev letters.

[@gluttonyfang6674]

"It's not that bad" is still bad regardless, because it is still in the "bad" category.

[@gudakoalter]

I've watched this video months go and I do agree with his points and I love his suggestions. Lasengle should be taking notes. FGO may be old but that doesn't mean it's not profitable to be ignored. it's a major cash cow that is still able to compete with Hoyoverse games. a little revamp or fix to the UI, replayability and lowering of the pity will help FGO.

[@Indian_gae_boii]

1:11:24 this is not true for genshin and HSR too I think, if you ascned a character, that character will usually thank you/ tell them how grateful they are 1:13:56 yeah sure you would ideally watch a guide video for a character but genshin and especially star rail has a new guide mechanic where they show a quick buildguide right inside the game HSR has complete guide down to team comp usage rates meanwhile genshins one is a little simple and not that useful

[@MrInuhanyou123]

Fgo is hard carried by nasu lmao. No one obsessed with his lore and characters want to drop the game no matter how bad the gacha is. Partially why I never got into the game and only check the lore

[@kamendude5158]

If anything I like that FGO doesn't try to bait you into spending money, sure you can see them making bait banners before anni with re run summer servants or the like but at that point everyone and their grandmas know they are bait banners. at most I would say that there are only 4 servants that Lasengle could actually money bait people with Castoria, Summer Skadi, Vitch, Oberon, and even then if you already have one of the prime color supporters getting one of the other card type won't feel like a must have. Edit: Yeah I only pay money on the GSSRs and go f2p on the rest of things, I have been playing the game since the prelude of the lostbelt arc and at this point I am so far into the game that I feel like I can skip the more cluttered GSSRs since they usually always have 1 servant I already have lol, maybe next anni I'll do the Destiny Order summon since I skipped the one this anni. Edit2: I must admit I too was a filthy gameplay slave, but after getting all the prime supports I have fully moved on to the "Character I like" meta, although if I had read the LB6 before getting Castoria I would have pulled for her, regardless of the kit just like how I did for Oberon. Edit3: 600SQs would be a game changer for the pity, Myst said that it's rough getting 600 and yeah but after you have a solid account and as long as you aren't a collector you can get 600SQs in 5 to 6 months, sometimes less depending on what events and campaigns are going on (Anni would basically gift you a pity SSR) and if you get the SSR in under 600SQs the time needed to get it back is reduced even more. Edit4: Btw he didn't talk about the NA Exclusive 30 day GSSR Banner with year 1 limited servants sadge. Edit5: The enhancing sections feels kinda nitpicky ngl lol, Making CE bombs does suck tho. Edit6: I agree with Myst, Every Gacha I played for more than a month I decided to research information, there is not a single gacha player that takes the game seriously that doesn't look up stuff in the game's wikipage. Edit7: I always thought that FGO should have a bestiary that could register the enemies that you have fought and recorded their traits, damage and sprites. Edit8: Fake fan didn't notice the glow smh. Edit9: Yeah the misstap of the support happens but, honestly? Even when you are farming it doesn't matter you just do a 8-9 turn instead of a 3 turn Edit10: Quick play would kill FGO as a game don't even try to argue that adding it would be an objectively good thing, that example of Nikke just using all the AP in quick play honestly just felt like he didn't even want to play the game. The using AP on bulk seems good enough but i dunno. I like playing with different comps and doing absurd 3 turns too much I guess as long as the game doesn't reward the use of AP bulk quest it should be fine. Edit11: He said that they MIGHT give you the account back but the time I did need to send them the customer support to get my acc back they responded back the next day and I still have my acc so I dunno if he had a personal experience opposite to mine lol, customer service depends a lot on who is the one providing the service. Edit12: Also I don't really care for Crossplay but I guess it is subjective. Edit13: They let you bully Kiara and Kama but not Goetia smh Edit14: Bronze Mats and early silver mats are hell on earth, the only bronze mats that I don't need 1000+ are the new Traum ones, Chains and Needles. Edit15: Search is not the solution, the filters are enough, and he didn't filter off the embers on the Squirtoria smh. Edit16: FGO does have an auto-sell function, in the FP gacha banner lol Edit17: I'd even say that 90++ and JPs 90* quests are the endgame of FGO Edit18: I have never heard anyone say that Lasengle is being generous by doing 3 weeks events where is he getting the opinions from??? Edit19: I mean, There have been theories that the events are 3 weeks events and no re-runs are because with the shortened staff working at Lasengle they did it as a patch to buy time and now it has become the norm either because they still have a barebones crew working on the game or Aniplex, a lot of the problems in recent years can be pointed at Aniplex by anyone though. Edit20: True, Grail live, on it's own, was good it was just that it took the collab event, not like this year that we have like 3 collab events lol. Edit21: Timegates depend on how they are done, for example the current GUDAGUDA events timegates are a bit shitty because of the cliffhangers it leaves the story in and the nodes are... uh... okay ish Edit22: Tunguska and Traum aren't main story even though they are advertised as such???? Tunguska I could understand it was made an event presumably because of the raids and the time limited gacha DMG boosting CEs and then added as a main interlude but Traum??? The chapter that gets rid of a cast character and answers what happened with David Bluebook, an alternative PoV featured on the Main Story ISN'T a main story chapter??????????????? Edit23: NItocris Alter is a nitpick Edit24: Me when I blame the devs for the burocrautic shenanigans Edit25: 2-san said that two years ago yeah, people are saying that they are waiting for the 30ML campaing Edit26: Ivan's raid mats were ass I prefer the 10 SQs ngl. Edit27: The konami example is wild. Edit28: The picking of Reddit comments is a shady tactic, those are comments that are specific to that thread, of course they are going to talk about how they like the animation updates or the early implementation of something it's what the thread is discussing or announcing, the Grand order subreddit has a purposefully made Shittalking thread that is refreshed every Friday it was made so that the negativity and toxicity the game's development or implementation can cause have a place to be where they don't get downvoted, if he really want to see what people are saying at the time he can scroll through those. Edit29: Poor timing of the video lol, still the NP6 for MAX servant has been something that has been there since the implementation of the coin system. Edit30: Truly, where does he hear these opinions? Edit31: 6/10 is actually above average btw

[@-Dovahkiin]

53:50 GSSR price depends on the country honestly. For me to roll for it twice that's 170 bucks (85 per) which is a hefty amount imo

[@rhymenoceros3303]

I 100% agree that this game is flawed and often has mechanics or things that are just terrible but when it’s good, it is phenomenally good. Incredible story chapters like Camelot and LB 6. Great and memorable characters like Oberon and Caster Artoria. An incredible soundtrack that can hit really hard. And an absolute bevy of unique character designs. For me the good of this game will always outweigh the bad. That’s not to say I think it shouldn’t improve but I could never right off this game for its many flaws. It’s had too many moments that have spoken to me on a personal level.

[@Soluxya]

I came to this video expecting to defend fgo with my life, but I agreed with all of his points, while Myst started open-minded and then as the video progressed he started coping harder and harder.

[@EC-rk2zl]

Personally I have a HARD opinion in autoplay stuff. I HATE games where almost everything is autoplayed for you (Star Rail, GBF and so on) all fall into this. BUT I Love games that let you autoplay AFTER you cleared a stage ONCE yourself. Then it uses your exact strategy or inputs to clear the stage (Arknights is the perfect example of this). Now I know you will argue, But FGO has random card draws. So that makes it harder! Thats exactly my point. Find a clear thats 100% guaranteed RNG free. Triple Manual button pressing for noble phantasm waves is not fun gameplay. Its simply a chore. For me, thats the perfect balance

[@Xedllin]

Reverse1999 has the same random card per run but what they do is "save" your run when doing auto farms after clearing the stage.

[@Steven9567]

@@Xedllin yup and it auto plays thee rerun son the faster you clear the faster the auto

[@Larfas]

Reason autobattle/Sweep is not in FGO is that it would remove 99% of the game. Theres just nearly nothing else to do

[@haidenhugo]

58:14 Are we talking about the same games? The games that people constantly clear the hardest modes with only 4 stars? The games that people say it's "too easy"? The games that people beg for new end-game content because the one available is so easy it's boring? Those games?

[@ЗуЗу-э3й]

Autobattle should be an option. You may not like and not use it, but many people do appreciate it greatly. I like FGO gameplay and generaly I am a grindy person and I even have enough of free time after work, but spending it on pushing the same 9 buttons for 3 turn run it's a brain rot. Other games have auto but they also have other type of a gameplay, side stories, puzzles, rougelike, whathaveyou, you may spend your AP in three seconds and then go in some mini-game mod or challenges, but FGO have ONLY farm and if you don't grind, then you have nothing to do.

[@DigitalStarry]

Plus people don’t have to use autobattle if they don’t want to. There’s already an unofficial way to autobattle and guess what, it isn’t hurting anyone that it exists.

[@heartunderbruh7735]

Lasengle should honestly implement something like Reverse 1999 auto farming where just sit back and watch your servants attack.

[@Xedllin]

​@@heartunderbruh7735honestly ironic that even Magireco had an auto back then considering it's practically built on whatever code/engine fgo is built from.

[@Steven9567]

you mean boring not rot anyways best to add something like skip if anything edit or the 1999 one

[@devilhero1062]

let be honest here everyone we all have some mental illness when we picked FGO and still continue to this day (i'm talking about day 1 players me myself included) But man FGO really could have been better

[@robertjaysonalcantara7016]

That video is so accurate I really had to take a moment and contemplate why I even bothered to play past LB6 at this point. Pretty soon I'm ready to move on from this game anyway. I'm just...tired.

[@HotaruExtori]

I laughed after realizing the current event on NA is "The Man who Returned from Hell" lmao

[@Rizvi-rk1xy]

28:30 he took your advice and didn't show the rating on his new video

[@TheStuffEnjoyer]

Hey Myst. I like that you reacted to this video. I would have preferred though that you paused the video before commenting. That way it doesn't feel like you talked over and missed something he said in the vid. And I guess it could flow better? Idk lol At least in my opinion anyways. You do you brother 🗿👍

[@Raxen95]

I think this entire reaction can be summed up with: "Yeah it's bad, but I don't mind it. It's not a big deal."

[@dreamimgflowerd976]

Stockholm syndrome for the waifus.

[@musashishinmen4286]

"It's not a big deal" until it is.

[@TheNightofWalpurgis666]

The biggest credit I can give to FGO is that there's ALOT to discuss about it. Outside actively playing the game, still there's something you can do via discussing the lore, anime, VNs, LNs or memes that constitute some parts of FGO. There's still engagement you can do which is as entertaining/fun (maybe more fun) than playing the game. It's one of the reason people keep coming back to this game even if it is butffucks them. The game itself could use a lot of modernity to be brutally honest and the rewards could use a major overhaul. It's just real feel shitty that I just get a lore or some mat drops after dealing with some high difficulty content.

[@irem7651]

I recommend you pause then talk if you ever do another reaction lile this because its harder to hear both you and the person you are reacting to, also I personally wouldn't mind more fgo content reactions

[@MystFGO]

I paused when I had a lot more to say and when I just wanted to add something I kept the video going. But I guess I could always pause even if it's a small addition.

[@FusionLeonidas11]

Let just appreciate that FGO does not have, gacha skins, buy skins, weapons banners, battle pass, monthly pass, getting more copies for new abilities, no rng stats boost.

[@lastime8331]

"Getting more copies for new abilities" like the append system ?

[@Jack_Rakan]

Not all of those are true though. It's true there are no gacha or cash skins, no system with rng stats (besides Imperial Privilege) and no battle and monthly pass. Technically there ARE limited 'weapon' banners in the form of some very good limited Craft Essences, some of which are no longer available. And also, NP1 to NP2 is also technically a huge new ability in the form of the removed 100% charge cap, which sometimes comes in extremely handy for challenge and story quests. Also, the coin system definitely can count as a 'get more copies of a servant to get more abilities for them' system.

[@yuue925]

This! I know the "welcome to gacha hell" joke but playing hoyo games recently I realize that fgo is far from the worst ...At least skins are free , characters often receives FREE buff and not "you need a new gacha unit to make this char you used to love barelly playable" , no pay to win(go faster) system like BP seeing what bp players receive compared to f2p really frustrates me a lot (and that's their goal to be honest that's why they litteraly show the free rewards and paid rewards under it). We often receives free GOOD units and even SSR chars . Also as you said a character is complete at NP1 and the copies doesn't unlock new gameplay for them....And most of all yes fgo doesn't have this horror that is artefact system....I've been playing fgo since 7 years casually and I'm lest frustrated by it than in the year I've played some hoyo games... For f sake their energy system is one of the worst..they barely gives refills ....While I have enough apples in fgo to grind until end of service at this point...

[@orga7777]

@@lastime8331 Luckily only 2 Appends are good and the rest you don't need at all. You can now Max Append 2 skills at NP1. So I think it is fine.

[@yuue925]

@@Jack_Rakan The thing with CE is that while I agree for the 4/5 absolute best (Black grail , Kaleido etc) the rest you mostly get them in events and if you didn't manage to play the event the next year ones often gives the same CE or very similar one just with different art. The Coin system I agree is not defendable this was made for whales in the first place. As for the 100% cap you can "counter it" with some CE or by using the np in a more strategic order for the overcharge. Also on the CE subject at least you can get good ones while wishing on characters banners and it's not an exclusive banner. (I'm f2p and I would never wish on a CE exclusive banner that's for sure while I got some of the best ones with just typical banners but yeah it's more random)

[@axis9038]

how is fgos energy system better than hoyo games? in fgo you cant even do story without ap while in star rail or genshin you can do every single piece of content except mundane farming edit: sheesh the amount of nonsensical deflection towards hoyo games reeks of insecurity, this is a video about fgo lmao

[@hoangnguyen-tq8ln]

Lmao, does this guy think farming in FGO is fun? Just clicking the same skills on repeat is fun?

[@MystFGO]

No but the reason why skips would be bad for FGO is because of the lack of end game content. If you could skip farming then you would just tap a few buttons and log off and only play the game like once a month when new story is out. If there was proper end game content however, I wouldnt mind them implementing ways to speed up farming.

[@ReInvader]

​​@@MystFGO Basically, to fix something bad, you have to even do something worse so that the first one looks less bad. Pff. If this game wasn't Fate, it would have failed since year 1.

[@MrHoxworth]

@@MystFGO Can't believe the cope I'm seeing here, like wow... just wow. Excuse of untold caliber, you know why people came up with 3tf ? It's becosue it's a chore

[@alexandrunache9078]

1:09:40 Sorry Myst but that's just mega cope. I would be surprised if anyone that has played any other gacha has that take. The difference is night and day

[@MystFGO]

I'll stand by that leveling and ascending Servants is perfectly fine as is. CEs though are god awful. And I'm not saying I wouldn't wanna see improvements to the QoL for BOTH, anything positive is always positive.

[@alexandrunache9078]

⁠@@MystFGOThat’s great and all but the part was about the menus, not leveling progression. The progression is fine. The constant switching from menu to menu when it all could have been in one place is not

[@lumocite9870]

The lack of crossplay is what made me quit FGO. I lost my account after my phone broke and never got it back. All that money and time gone. I was bitter about what happened that I actually resent FGO for not having something so basic as account binding. Like seriously though, the only reason they can get away with stuff like this is because the playerbase is so mind controlled and they make too much money to care.

[@mr.alpaca83]

Pseychie's reviews are so good

[@alb7466]

I generally like his content but I feel like he's been dropping the ball a bit sometimes. He made a video talking about purchasing skins in gacha games, yet used FGO footage, a game where it is simply not possible to spend any money on skins. In that same video he also said Azur Lane has a skin gacha, which it doesn't

[@Xedllin]

​@@alb7466technically you can call the cash bundles a "skin gacha" since the skin you get from that is random... But yeah that's the only close thing to a skin gacha AL has xD

[@Flygoniaks]

That section about the traits really doesn't spend long enough talking about how maddeningly inconsistent Servant traits are. I could probably spend hours browsing randomly through the wiki, screaming about the traits that each Servant should have but just don't for some reason, or traits such as "Loved One" that are assigned seemingly at random to Servants without any recognizable pattern or logic that the player could possibly infer. It's like the devs have spontaneous amnesia about the traits they've created in the past, and their meanings...

[@acerolaa6530]

FGA is used by thousands of players and thats reason enough to bring auto battle to the game.. it doesnt need to be in all of the game but definitely for free quests and event farming nodes