Fifth Gear- BMW 1series Coupe VS.Porsche Cayman DOG FIGHT!!!

A Cool video in witch the beemer dog fights the porsche, do you know who's gona win? think again...
Tiff VS Jason Plato

[@e4t662]

I had an E30 M3. It made me a lifelong BMW maniac.

[@MultiSpeede]

How did the 1 series win the handling test and the cayman won the drift test? It should be the exact other way around?

[@georgediaz34]

Exactly what I was tbinking

[@fnativ9582]

i mean... for me 1 series won everything, cuz if he would know to drift it... there s no way he would lose =]] i have a 118D 2.0D 2011, i love it, you can be confortable while drfiting at almost 45 degree angle XD but it s about skills, he does better a racing line then sliding ,witch is normal XD still, i m so impressed , ofc my 2.0D 215Hp wouldn't be able to beat that porche but we re talking about a 1 series beating a porsche XD it s nuts

[@orobian]

@Synicade I'm italian. We always had italian cars and lots of problems. Now we have almost only Toyota. The last summer I had the chance to drive a mighty Chevy Suburban for two weeks around California, Arizona, Iowa and Nevada......what a blast! I'm sure I could go to Mars and back with that beauty! Reliable, comfy and absolutely top notch!

[@yeahbuddy7598]

So true.

[@TheVengefulCo]

@papachels the 135i has no limited slip differential lol

[@Octavia2vrs]

N54 forever :D

[@Omega08082]

I'm getting my 2009 128i convertible tomorrow. I'm excited! I've also put on some 18" Chrome wheels.

[@BeybladeGeeks]

@St3nic3 I'm prty sure he's aware of it... He's suggesting an m1 vs cayman race

[@DirtDude117]

The 135i doesn't have an LSD

[@epicurean_driver]

+DirtDude117 It has an electronic one

[@DirtDude117]

pilotagepassion It has an electronically controlled open differential. Nothing controlling slip at all just basic ABS.

[@myloft5633]

+DirtDude117 +pilotagepassion I think you're both saying the same thing. I might be wrong but I think he's talking about the electronics faking a "mechanical" LSD.

[@nutsackmania]

Electronics are not LSD. Electronic slip intervention is reactive and a fucking travesty. If you had ever driven a car at the limit EVER in your life you would know this.

[@BigUriel]

"Electronic LSD" is just marketing talk to fool people who don't know much about cars. It has no LSD, the ESP just breaks the inside wheel when it detects spin.

[@paulbi2008]

Bloody good fun to watch. And two great cars which I wouldn't mind owning.

[@supershark9k708]

The 135 just looks like a better setup for spirited driving I might be looking into one here in the future

[@TheChannel1978]

Wished this was back on TV. Prefer track tests to the endless jokes in Top Gear

[@adm924s]

agreed top gear is now utter shit. old cars are all now branded as crap and bits happen to "fall" off. You note how there's always a camera sat at the side of the road to capture an "accident" on a trip. They have a "race" where you have to obey the speed limits-so the car may as well be a cheap family saloon. Again-to film at the side of the road the crew has to go ahead of the car in the "race" to set the camera down to film the car in said "race" speeding past, the crew then put the camera away and catch up again (in their van ! ) to do the same again.

[@knifedance2402]

@@adm924s Right. Because old cars are mostly crap compared to new ones. A lot of people just still like them.

[@adm924s]

@@knifedance2402 It's nothing to do with them being worse, their doors don't just fall off, accidents don't just happen where a camera is positioned, races where the car that's "racing" against a train etc KEEPS getting overtaken by the film crew to film a driveby shot.... It turned into a shit obviously staged unfunny sitcom, great if you like Allo Allo or you're not really interested in cars.

[@knifedance2402]

@@adm924s Oh, that’s completely true. The failures you see sometimes aren’t necessarily due to age, but it is true that older cars are buy-and-large inferior to newer ones.

[@disndat11]

Fact is, no one will drive their fine German cars like these two maniacs do. I own a Boxster S and I cruise with the top down and enjoy life 90% of time and push it to red line only 10% of the time. It is such a joy to own a fine German car. We live only once and we all should own and drive one, at least once in our life time. Bottoms up(Salute, y fuerze al canute), from Iran

[@PrickityPrick]

i can assure everyone that there is always at least one comment with the words 'top gear' in every fifth gear video i love both shows, theres nothing wrong with either of them

[@DFWsCars]

This video single handedly made me pick up a 135.

[@DFWsCars]

that and used soo much cheaper than a Cayman.

[@kirkham1991]

How're you finding the 135i's reliability? I'm looking at picking one up soon.

[@DFWsCars]

RKE Photography been pretty solid, here in the US they extended the warranty on the turbo rattle & fuel issues (haven't had either). It's mostly been minor trim stuff which is easy enough to fix (visor mirror plastic, had to caulk the convertible window).

[@kirkham1991]

Thanks for the reply! I'm looking for one with 50k miles or less if my budget can stretch. Turbos are the main worry, but taking the buying price into consideration 4-$5000 worth of turbo repair at worst wouldn't be as bad as it sounds...

[@DFWsCars]

RKE Photography good luck in your search- it's a hell of a car for the $

[@zinny999]

Drifting ? These guys are nuts, these aren't made for drifiting to begin with. It would need more mods to get anywhere Drift ready. how about just track time, becasue that what some owners of these cars will be doing on the weekend. How about just some long trips and let see which car make a better pleasant trips. How about bling factors? Is all related to what most owners would do with their cars.

[@gsahrens]

the Cayman is costing twice as much as the 1 Series Coupe here in Germany.. That is absurd

[@SuperStig1992]

I'm pretty sure if Tiff was powersliding the BMW, he probably would have got a much higher score than 20. I mean he is a legend behind the wheel of any car.

[@D00FY]

This is the most awesome car show ive ever seen

[@psychdoggg]

I can't stand how Tiff sounds like he's laughing, even when he's trying to be serious.

[@amato773]

Finalmente una persona che capisce questa BMW oltre a non avere tenuta di strada ma non ha ne la lancetta della temperatura acqua e ne la ruota di scorta ha plastica che fa schifo e noi Italiani la compriamo e disprezziamo le nostre auto...

[@comradecleb]

BMW has been my car since i was 5, never once had it disappointed me. just gotta love the ultimate driving machine!!:D

[@Nunoelement]

I don't know why a drift challenge is important in a road test like this, no one who buys either of these cars will be drifting.

[@unclepic1]

No he isnt they're both good, but Plato just won the British Touring Car Championship so i would def say he has some skill.

[@NoubsV]

No vehicle is made to perfection. Our Cayenne GTS has no problems, but our R63 AMG has tons. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't. Doesn't mean every R63 AMG is going to be problematic.

[@AvdaficationTV]

oh,sorry accidentaly clicked this while watching top gear,,,

[@Smennyboy]

Might be, but they are most definitively not the only ones testing drivers more than cars

[@marshknute]

"Aimed at a younger audience...who would normally buy a Porsche Cayman." I don't know of any kids my age who own a 135i or a Cayman.

[@fikes73]

love these guys, both cars too

[@chemkouv]

the bald drift judge, on the right, must have witnessed an outrageous drifting...

[@AmatuerBoxerNic]

that's absolutely right! I always try to tell people this. On the race track there is no better german car then the M3. M is just made for the Race-Track, AMG is made for fun driving in the city.

[@savvasxatzimixalis]

i totally agree.Your view is for sure advisable .haha what cars do you have driven ?

[@whiterazer1]

Yes but European cars are more liked in the US than American cars in Europe ( I think, because I barely see any american cars here in europe, and on the internet I see lots of american bmw fans). But somewhere you are right, american cars are straight line powerhouses while european cars are built more for handing in all situations.

[@AceKing47]

Oh wow... I actually can't choose. I'm sure the Cayman S is a helluva lot better though. I've driven both a 2000 Boxster S and a brand new Cayman, and despite the Cayman being a full generation ahead, the Boxster was much quicker just because it was an S. But... the 135i is twin turbo'd, and I do quite like BMW... it's close.

[@SRBZoran]

I know, its easier to get to know about that on internet. I just say that if somebody wants to buy a car like one of those he should test them and see which one is best for him. Here on YT we (car lovers) are supporting our favorite brand, and talking about specs without many of us even driven any of cars reviewed in this video or any other video like this :D

[@mixmaster8148]

I like Top Gear but I love 5Th Gear its more real, less acting

[@EvolutionSev]

Love the 5th gear lads just as much as the Top Gear boys. Good show them both of them!

[@shaft9000]

Agreed; there's better pure enthusiast vibe here. I love the Stig and can tolerate Clarkson well enough, but TG relies too much on persona.

[@DavidOliveiraYadin]

No, it's not normal. But the younger audience he's referring to is people around "22 to 30" years I think. Which, in some cases, can already afford one. Have in mind the best selling car car in Europe is the VW Golf from around 20.000€ (27.000 USD).

[@PeterM0911]

Yes. The BMW is better than any other car. But I like the Porsche.

[@matthewtroise6250]

which is a better buy a 1m coupe or an e92 m3? im most concerned about performance, from what im hearing the 1m coupe can hang with the m3, is this true? i need specifics like any recalls or failures with either models? which layout is better, etc. things like that, i figure since you work for bmw, hopefully as a mechanic, you could really help me out, thanks in advance

[@SRBZoran]

I can't believe how many people are talking about acceleration... The real thing is time on track, feeling you are getting when driving car, difference of 0.2; 0,3 s more to 60 or things like that are stupid and you hardly feel that. Balance, driving dynamics and many other things are much, much more important!

[@ultramarine13]

@Emzieroy, not true. BMW's tag line is "The ultimate Driving Machine", so it had better be able to back it up. In this case, I'd say that it's the Porsche that has the disadvantage, considering the BMW has 60 bhp more, not to mention the extra 100 ft-lbs. And adding mods to the BMW wouldn't necessarily be the answer, especially considering it doesn't need more power.

[@dreadfest]

@chris2586 i could say this true of a 128i. however, a 135i cost more then a 3 series that are not 35i. it also cost more then the x3...

[@MeganoOdles]

Very true, I'm 25 years old I have driven quite a few high powered cars, I personally rate the S2000 highly in terms of feel, can't imagine how good a non-turbo high revving mid-engine car would feel like.

[@AlejandritoOldSkool]

THE VERY GOOODDDDDDDDDDDDD VIDEO

[@animeonperseest]

well it gives some image what the car is like on the limit, but i agree that its more for show.

[@chrismusclemanone]

Still love both of them.They 're great cars

[@sher854]

Extacly Its stupid when people say "Money can't buy happiness"

[@lifepathsthroughdark]

The prosche is not actually a mid-engined car. It has the engine in the back, situated horizontally. Just as a volkswagen beetle but in a much evolutioned package

[@colinsleeper3805]

@Fiinniinnii The 1 series m coupe has 335 hp an 370 lb-ft torque

[@SKOPE915]

lol finallly!! no more looking for people's comments Thanks youtube ;D

[@BigGee84]

You have that back-to-front.

[@pokemon989359]

@TerminatorTX11 .....Plato won the world touring car championship. Fifth gear had a segment about it. He beat Ben Collins (stig 2.0) by a mile as well.

[@PiranhaJaw22]

a beemer is a motorcycle. a bimmer is for the car.

[@Henrikix]

The one driving the Porche looks like hes having a seisure while drifting

[@dexterwallace4060]

I get why they are comparing these 2 cars exactly. But the 128 is not a lot cheaper and the porsche Cayman also came with the 3.2 liter for 40k so these cars arent apples to apples on purpose.

[@bassbeatle]

nope... black with red insides.... damn now thats hot!

[@xray707]

The average Cayman is going to run close to $70K. The BMW is going to run less than $50 K with every option. Not sure how you can compare the two.

[@emirhansanli618]

Comparing a BMW and a merc doesnt make sense, a Merc is for "fun" driving going mental power slides, brute force. A bmw is more composed, made for handling and control. completely different traits in both cars.

[@sultanabran1]

can't believe there an open centre diff in the Porsche. that's madness

[@infidel900rr]

good point, but the "S" would put the price point way off between the two cars.

[@GundamZero702]

I heard they discontinued to 1 series BMW, is that true and if so would the price rise for one?

[@aaronmatharu123]

OMFG I THOUGHT THEY CRASHED AT 2.20 I DIED INSIDE O.O

[@777TheJoe]

Yeah because even though Porsche makes the fast cars doesn't mean they lead the industry. BMW sells more cars than Porsche ever could. You don't see Porsche driving everywhere. BMW makes cars that last much longer than Porsche too. I have personally seen BMW with way over 500000 miles that still run to this day.

[@savvasxatzimixalis]

yeap but it is easier for somebody to get to know about the accelaration of the car instead of the balance and driving dynamics...

[@TerminatorTX11]

Yeah but even then, Tiff had more racing experience then him and even fifth gear said themselfs; ''Our best driver is Tiff''

[@MrHoHo666]

BMW- Always a GREAT choice!!!

[@cglawrence]

The thing I hate about 5th gear is they ride together and never swap the cars out to see if they can have a true unbiased opinion and/or driving skills per person.

[@1g2002541]

I don't know the porsche cayman, but the 135i actually does not has so racing orientated spring damping. That meaning it should make significant body roll around the column. If replace the shocks and trusts w/ harder damping, and the stock brakes, it should do great on track.

[@michaellevere4312]

I like how Tiff is complaining how Jason is driving during the 'flying' lap. Tiff, Who is still driving in the WTCC?

[@SlowJoe76]

@ 8:59 to 9:11 THAT'S BMW DNA. 'll take the BMW.

[@aspiringdrummer17]

I should hope so too considering Tiff has an extra 15 years pro racing experience over Jason

[@hotgirlsarehot]

Does anyone know what the real life maintenance (yearly) costs are for the Porsche Cayman S or Cayman R models on average?

[@Clydeslope]

Love my 135i; but I'd like to give the Porsche a spin...

[@ESUNintel]

Any one know if they'll be an M version of the 1-series convertible in the US in 2011? I've been shopping around, but can't make up my mind between the 3-series and 1-series, or if I should wait until 2011 (the 3-series is getting redesigned). Thanks!!

[@TerminatorTX11]

I guess in that sense your right, it matters on what thing you comparing them by really as you said.

[@yorumlar1]

some idiots compares the Bmw againts amg. Bmw is a beast on the racetrack. keep your Amg in straight line cos it can only go straight:)

[@HMSAAB]

mercs are good for straight lines because their heavy engines are meant for speeding into highways, going to long distances with mountains in a comfort way, handling isnt so great because it isnt meant to tear the streets. i have a 335, but i sure would love a cayman s.

[@MiloYellowknee]

I have the identical 135i. It's made me a lifelong BMW driver.

[@xilix]

That was horse shit with the drifting. Plato totally had that in the bag with that last drift.

[@1100HondaCB]

I like Porsche, but I wouldn't have a Caymen. It doesn't appeal to me.

[@Dashtea]

@kunaalbhasin Actually the guy in the Porsche is the Stig

[@hunghuge12]

@papachels I think it had more to do with the driver than the car.

[@chetthehoss]

LOL "The baby BM". Someone ought to remind these guys that a BM is a bowel movement. I guess they're saying that BMW is shit. Nevertheless, Top Gear rules.

[@drummer42065]

@kcirtapnett Maybe the 1M vs the S, but that still adds 10g to the price of the porsche, which kind of breaks the clash between the two in the same price range.

[@yunova]

@l33tp1mp it is mid engined it also has trunk in the rear and boot in the front the engine is right behind the seat YOU should know this

[@levelazn]

no limited slip diff on the 135i, only traction control

[@SubaruWRXspdManual]

Am I the only one that laughed when he said "the baby BM"?

[@Professionalidi0t]

yes

[@ionutbutu2001]

funny i call my 118i BMW baby too...:))

[@johnny_123b]

Since when has 135i got LSD?

[@djscream696]

I have a 2011 135i and there no LSD 😐 unfortunately

[@johnny_123b]

Yes that was my point. They dont come with lsd

[@djscream696]

eternyman but the one shown in the video here has one it's sure 300%, you can't drift like that without lsd.... or we could say you can't drift at all without lsd.

[@johnny_123b]

You can drift without lsd like this. Its way harder, unstable, and near to imposible to sustain drift through whole corner and it really depends on other drivetrain settings. For all i know 135i CAN't be bought with lsd, not even as extra. On the other hand it is possible to install one later

[@djscream696]

eternyman agree with you harder and much unstable, really difficult to control...

[@AlternativeUses]

clarkson liked the cayman but said its existance is superflous next to the 911

[@hunghuge12]

@TheSaikou96 What on a money for money basis?

[@Fiinniinnii]

how much horsepower has the 1series M?

[@PoorIllyrian]

Me two get 335i the new one is awsome and look good same time fast enough

[@lucrativeelfmongrel]

To be honest if you were in the market for a 2 door sports car you would obviously check out the Cayman and a 135i coupe so they are comparable. You'd also check out the TT, the Brera and some sort of Mercedes... ALL COMPARABLE.

[@fctsui57]

They should try these comparisons with the Cayman R and 1 M.

[@akaSkItTLes23]

This video is bullshit. BMW will and always have been the best drivers car.

[@ethownzbh]

Umm...it was faster. Was it not?

[@Tweakey]

Ethanmeister I think he might just be mad that it didn't win all of the challenges.

[@bighands69]

If it is about power sliding then yes the BMW is better. But if it is about driving in terms of performance the modern Cayman is miles better and is considered one of the greatest cars of all time.

[@sydneypaillet4055]

Ummmm no just no

[@tarmac1697]

What better than a porker ?

[@goo5976]

which is the best driver's car? BMW, the ultimate driving machine of course

[@hollowtian6148]

FYI 135i has an open diff, not LSD

[@bmw128racer]

The drifting test is a joke: It's a totally subjective test... And the childish bickering between the two during is annoying.

[@Emil-Roma]

This review is nothing compared to the Top Gear one. But that is bloody great car.

[@TerminatorTX11]

Now he is, not when this video was filmed

[@aspiringdrummer17]

Jason Plato made his professional racing debut in 1997. He joined Fifth Gear in 2005....