BBC documentary Series Fighter Pilots 1981 complete Episode 4 - Going Solo
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@hellcatjoe11 жыл бұрын
The Yard of Ale is an RAF tradition. Every student pilot who lands his first solo, downs the Yard (roughly two an a half pints). As you said, these chaps are smart capable trainee pilots, but they also like to have a laugh and celebrate their brilliant achievement with traditions such as this, having a couple of drinks afterward, in my opinion, is not considered stupid at all.
@macmax84523 жыл бұрын
That flight instructor did everything to weaken confidence and impede learning
@Biggles24983 жыл бұрын
mac max : He was a total wanker !
@Seminal_Ideas6 ай бұрын
I was thinking that too. Bad tempered and overly critical. Barking at poor old Martin Oxborough all the way down to the piano keys.
@stephenking9271Ай бұрын
Old school methods Being critical & pressuring it’s a tactic to separate character someone who can handle pressure. Trainers/Seniors push buttons to get you out of your comfort zone it’s to make you work. Remember this is an era where the RAF stood out as the best. IMO you will find many pilots who went through the ranks & remember it very well for many reasons. Harsh environment & training was heavy but it worked. For example when you are sparring/boxing training with someone who doesn’t pose any challenges is no good for you, you will not learn improve. Spar/box someone who is extremely skilled & pressures you to work hard you speed up your capabilities & skill. Simple as that!
@chrisaskin61443 жыл бұрын
My old stamping ground - Linton-on-Ouse. I was there as an armourer Nov 82 to May 84, and enjoyed every minute. In May 84 I left for two short detachments - Hereford and Scampton - followed by a posting as a Sergeant to Church Fenton, doing more of the same - and I enjoyed that too.
@meirionowen59794 жыл бұрын
At 14:00, this instuctor is extraordinary. He's lucky his pilot students don't smash straight down into the ground when he shouts at them like that. His actions are the opposite to everything he's just said.
@stewartw.91514 жыл бұрын
I agree - he is like a bloody nag! I have had several great instructors in civilian flight training, licence renewal tests etc over many years of flying - not one would nag and go on like this! But they were all great teachers without it!
@iainbradford42544 жыл бұрын
Fully agree, what a hypocrite. Great instructional technique, be better, try harder, watch me do it 'that's magic now'. I thought it was Alan Partridge instructing at one point.
@musicjuly3415 Жыл бұрын
I think it was just some idiot in the BBC production team that made him do a separate voice recording to make it more tense for the viewers.
@johnathandaviddunster3810 ай бұрын
Sounds like a lot of teachers from the old days ....
@user-ey3os2tm6q10 жыл бұрын
1985. Iwasthere. Im an iragi pilot.my course was 71raf lintn-on-ouse. It was nice
@diggledoggle41924 жыл бұрын
6 years later the people who trained you fought against you
@wonkabar1865 жыл бұрын
Funny, Mike Jameson ended up flying 737s for EasyJet, he can be seen in some episodes of ‘Airline’
@davidmag35164 жыл бұрын
Hopes he's not still whining like a ninny..?
@steveaustin93866 жыл бұрын
What a great time to be in the forces.
@andrewcutter17854 жыл бұрын
The instructor was extremely unprofessional. He ridiculed the student remorselesly, potentially ruining any confidence the student had gained. I speak as a teacher and if he had taught like that in my college, he would have been sacked.
@Rambogner3 жыл бұрын
I disagree
@dronemonkey2038 Жыл бұрын
@@Rambogner why? It’s not great…
@bushranger719 жыл бұрын
it is all about accuracy, the proper pitch attitude and the correct thrust settings and above all else keeping it in trim. You can hear the quite escalation of workload for the student pilot. These early jet trainer cockpits are also hot and uncomfortable and a tight fit for even average sized pilots. It is not as easy as people might think!
@allybally00212 жыл бұрын
Good clutch control and use of mirrors at all times helps too.
@adamw29116 жыл бұрын
Cannot believe the pilots are being criticised for having a yard of ale. They are fit, tough and hard working young men not snowflakes. They've EARNED the right to down that in one.
@bodieofci54184 жыл бұрын
Martin Withers at the end before his trip to the Falklands :)
@anna-elizabeth4 жыл бұрын
"Have a nice Dambusters raid on the downwind." Flt. Lt. Jameson is awesome.
@davidmag35164 жыл бұрын
Hyper Patronising!
@Deejaynext11 жыл бұрын
thanks so much this is fantastic..!
@whitedawg198411 жыл бұрын
Flying is easy its doing the nav, comms, concentrating and workload thats tricky
@archerry64572 жыл бұрын
Linton might have been an odd place but survived until flying ceased in 2019.
@timgosling61893 жыл бұрын
Why was there always a special beer promotion on in the local pub the night before you got decompressed in the North Luffenham chamber. That was rank!
@19thLion12 жыл бұрын
Outstanding Pipe at 25:51... pip pip!
@arturo4685 ай бұрын
Retired airline pilot here. The instructor (14:10 onwards) has completely the wrong attitude. He will demoralise the student and make learning more difficult than it needs to be.
@davidmag35166 жыл бұрын
I watched this series as a 11 year old and have watched it many times on KZbin over the last 3 or 4 years. I often wonder do some of the instructors profiled in this ever do the same and think my goodness what a prat I was! This guy Jameson saying that you need to build a relationship and not shout at the student. Next thing he's bollocking like mad about trimming the plane out,,,,,, blah blah. This instructor only had 5 years of flying himself. He is then 'biting his finger nails' and moaning like an old woman when Martin Oxborough goes solo. - Not very cool.... Elsewhere there is bollocking going on 'Your making some stuuuuuupid mistakes!' How the hell a student is meant to fly under that is beyond me. Poor instructing from my point of view.
@stephenschaapveld18705 жыл бұрын
Completely agree, the bollocking was unbelievable, funny at 14:58 after bollocking him for most of the circuit just before touch down he say "now just relax" unbelievable. What a terrible instructor. Reminds me of my first instructor who basically gave me anxiety and ruined my flying career.
@Creighton-Jones5 жыл бұрын
When I learned to fly, as a civilian undertaking the PPL syllabus and paying for my own training, it was not that much better. Curiously I found that those who only instructed part time were considerably more relaxed, friendly and effective than those who were full time. However with regard to the TV series I believe that editing may have made something to do with how the instruction and 'patter' appears on screen. Nevertheless a good point about the instructors own limited career history at that point in time,
@robertemmett9064 жыл бұрын
Came here to say this. Of course had instructors like this, I think I've learned to deal with them mentally. Shouting and dripping at someone may help motivate squaddies yomping in army basic training, but this attitude when a person is trying their best to combine a lot of fine mental and motor skills, these goats bleating and taking their own insecurities out on students, just embarrassing, poor drills, counter productive and sad.
@Deejaynext11 жыл бұрын
i must qualify this remark also as i'm sure the argument will be "do you have to be a car enthusiast to drive a car?" to which of course the answer is no but my response to that is that we aren't there yet. flying a plane is still a task for specialists. not everyone can fly a plane, at least, not yet.
@paulmurphy422 ай бұрын
DONE !!!
@TryThinkingAboutIt6 жыл бұрын
28:21 '....Don't be so tense....' If the instructor had himself been instructed on how to instruct (as opposed to doing it like it was done to him) he might not have wasted so much money (fuel, air time) by increasing the student's tension: and getting in the way of his learning. Why do people who can do it - and then without any subsequent training- think they can teach others to do it?
@archerry64572 жыл бұрын
Excellent comment. As an instructor (not aviation), it was difficult to listen to. I wonder if it was hammed-up for the TV show?
@archerry64572 жыл бұрын
Appalling yard technique 😉
@paulmivvi78284 жыл бұрын
Big pressure release = 7:58
@michaelwallace68673 жыл бұрын
"...sticking up like chapel hat pegs". He read Viz.
@channelfogg66292 жыл бұрын
I see the nagging and berating style of instruction still continues.
@paulsmith1096 жыл бұрын
This just will not do!!!
@SenorCrazylegs7 жыл бұрын
14:55 "Just relax" Ha ha. After that continual bollocking. How instruction has changed.
@stephenvince99944 жыл бұрын
Yup, absolutely appalling instructional tech. Glad he wasn't my instructor.....
@thepumpdoctor13 жыл бұрын
@@stephenvince9994 Agreed. Poor guy. All my flight instructors were generally very calm unless something needed to be done right now. There is enough stress in the cockpit without that. Funny that he says in the debrief that "he was a little bit tense, probably fear of the ground meeting the aircraft ...." more like fear of the instructor?
@timgosling61893 жыл бұрын
@@thepumpdoctor1 it was a long time ago but the CFS doctrine was something like 'Assess, Analyse, Insentivise'. Summed up by the phrase 'That was crap; do it better or you're chopped'.
@slideryt2 ай бұрын
All the dramatic huffing and puffing going on in the Tower was ridiculous.
@Deejaynext11 жыл бұрын
21:22 - OMG!! what is this guy in disguise or something..?! XD
@Chopper8945 жыл бұрын
I wonder where these guys are today?
@notmenotme6144 жыл бұрын
This is the guy who did the solo flight... kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3PXkphsYptkgqM
@andyvan56924 жыл бұрын
hasn't that decompression test just given everyone the benz!!, or like in the james Bond film (thunderball?) just killed you, like in a submarine or in space?
@Lenoch_6 жыл бұрын
18:00 world‘s nicest military flight instructor
@petermitchell6348 Жыл бұрын
Who on earth chose the music in this series? Sounds like I'm sitting in a church.
@TFT-bp8zk8 ай бұрын
Ridicule and shame doesn't make better pilots. I've seen a lot of these British military training documentaries and as a flight instructor of 20 years it doesn't make for good instruction or well trained students. All it makes is people washing out of flight training for no good reason at all. And don't give me the party line about "oh it's got to be stressful because the job is stressful" or "if the student can't handle it then they're not gonna make it anyway and probably get kills" BS. You don't do that to students in primary flight.
@simonhellier72813 жыл бұрын
Is this instructor patient enough to instruct? Talks too much...
@Deejaynext11 жыл бұрын
~ 24:00 mark - i disagree with what seems to be the universal military perspective ( at least in UK and Canada ) in this regard in that i believe the candidate must *want* to fly specifically and show some aptitude / predisposition for it. i just don't accept the view that "this person is an outstanding officer, therefore, he can be anything we teach him to be". that's rubbish IMO. i'm sure he can be made a pilot, but such a person will never be a *great* pilot.
@jesterschameleon186210 ай бұрын
Proper Airforce, .. pre 'Woke'
@anthonyhamlin107829 күн бұрын
Was that a fart?
@Antifaith2911 жыл бұрын
But they could. Its really not all that hard. My 15 year old son can fly a plane. I think the difference is ( to use your car analogy ) The difference between a regular road user and an F1 Driver as far as fast jets go anyway.
@busterruff93697 ай бұрын
Terrible instructor ,very patronising
@Deejaynext11 жыл бұрын
~ 28:00 - uuuuhhh what a terrible ending. smart people doing stupid things. alcohol's role in western ( especially UK and Australia's ) popular culture has got to change.
@mkmdexplorationparanormal56105 жыл бұрын
Why has it got to change ? This is our culture, it won't change, why should it
@g13flat5 жыл бұрын
"Has got to change"? It's called tradition. I suppose you would rather had that they sipped a herbal tea.
@davidwhite86334 жыл бұрын
g13flat Well , It has been said that tradition is usually mindless imitation . Don’t you agree ?
@josimpson60384 жыл бұрын
DJ Next Oh for goodness sake, what a stupid comment.
@Antifaith2911 жыл бұрын
Agreed 100% The weekend culture here is disgusting. Even more so that its just accepted as normal behavior.
@stephenvince99945 ай бұрын
Im a retired commercial pilot having been in the game some 40 odd years. That instructor is simply the worst Ive seen... by a considerable margin...