Fighting the Tide in Hell Gate

In this video we are returning from New Haven and pushing against the tide as we head for the Gate.
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[@dhenschel4]

10:10 lightning bolt straight ahead!

[@TimBatSea]

Good thing we aren't sinners! 😂 Thank you for watching. CUOTO

[@MEdGrant]

You can always find an “expert” happy to tell you how to do your job. 🤔 You don’t even need to ask them; they will tell you anyway.

[@TimBatSea]

💯! Have you been reading the comments? 😂 Thank you for watching. CUOTO

[@user-tj8wv7ri7d]

Tide? Current? Schmurern! I give up. For 30 years, taking the boat up and down the Inside Passage, from Olympia to SE AK, it was always the same problem. To wifey..."Honey we got to get underway at 0430 'cause we got to make the ebb at Deception Pass or Seymour Narrows..or just fill in the blank." "The what?" "The ebb, the slack, when I'm not pushing against a current!" The current?" You know the tide that go back and forth moving all that water from or into the Pacific in and around these islands, that creates a current?" "Tide?, what about them?" "Oh forget about it!!"

[@TimBatSea]

😂😂😂😂😂 Thank you very much for watching. I feel your pain. Try it in a second language (Crisálida speaks very little English). CUOTO

[@user-tj8wv7ri7d]

@@TimBatSea Mira! como conmigo😂

[@lukeoforcas]

Deception pass is a monster if you don’t know how to navigate it. I’ve been through it with over a one foot rise in water from west to east. Good to have some surplus horsepower for that turbulence.

[@t.d.bowman9585]

Flow lol😂

[@Chardy3800]

Been running boats all my life for pleasure and some guiding and we have always referred to any current as tide.

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching. CUOTO

[@DuaneKerzic]

It all depends on how you define tide. The Gate can be a biotch if you are against the tide. Been though there a lot of times on sailboats. Sometimes the people walking along the river walk faster than the boat can go if you miss the tide. The history of the Gate is amazing when you read about all the explosives that were used.

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching and welcome to the channel Duane. CUOTO

[@frankcherry3810]

The New York History lesson you give us on things around the rivers is priceless. I will never be back in the Heights again, but I get all excited to see places I have been. Also, its the reasons I watch when you are back up north.

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you Frank. I hope to be working over quite a bit this winter, so more nyc content to come. CUOTO

[@warrenhuntley6110]

I like seeing the different water ways around NYC I travailed all the rivers around NY with my family including helgate thanks for showing it

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching Warren. CUOTO

[@charlesyoung3377]

I do see fuel oil barges on the other side of Roosevelt Island for “Big Allis” (Ravenswood Generating Station.) I imagine they can only come in and out from the south only. Always love the ride along through the gate and by my old stomping grounds! Thank you TBaS!

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching Charles. Yea. You are correct. I have (only once) gone in from the south to the power station. CUOTO

[@doogssmee9742]

The horizontal water movement is directly regional to the vertical water movement!!

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching. CUOTO

[@johnduffy532]

On the equinox, March 21 and September 21 the sun shines straight down the east-west streets at sunrise and sunset. This is intuitive when you think about it since on the equinox the sun is directly over the equator. Hence, all over the world, any east/west street would be subject to this phenomena.

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching John. Still very cool. CUOTO

[@chrissimmonds4898]

I ran the Mississippi River and the ICW. Current in the river tide in the bays sounds and canals 🤙🏼🤙🏼

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching and welcome to the channel Chris. CUOTO

[@SeabreezeRJ]

1:5 likes:views ratio is down from the early days, but significant. This is a great platform and I'm glad we met through it, Cap. BZ on another fantastic vid. My favorite part of the gate, and possibly the one that makes most folks nervous. I noticed that there was not a mention of jitter or side swipe like our recreational vessels get as we are flying downriver above hull speeds! Thank you and please keep it up. looking forward to Annapolis videos! #CUOTO ~__/)__*

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching all of these years. I'm working on an Annapolis video now. CUOTO

[@Subielicious22]

Are you SURE it’s not Hell’s Gate? 😂😂 Triboro Bridge forever!!! Hope you’re having a great time at the Annapolis Boat Show!! I hope you were able to get some of those Boathouse crab cakes!! #CUOTO

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching and supporting the channels Ian! You are the man! CUOTO

[@rinrat6754]

Really interesting history. Look up the Ripple Rock explosion (British Columbia, Canada) for 1950's video of the exact same thing - tunnel under a hazardous reef, massive boom.

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching. CUOTO

[@frankcherry3810]

My favorite ride… JFK blvd down to Manhattan and Brooklyn bridges! I will be waving at the Brooklyn Heights Pomade

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching. CUOTO

[@lewlewis8970]

Thanks for the boat ride. Loved it.

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching Lew! CUOTO

[@eddieweigel9490]

My Dad used to say tides are water moving up and down and currents put the motion in the ocean 😊

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for Eddie. CUOTO

[@kenaston4220]

Nice video Tim, a pleasant way to view and enjoy the New York Skyline, I felt sorry for all those cars chokes up there! Over here we use the terms, Tidal stream Tidal flow, Tidal current, I suppose different folk just use different terms for the same thing. Incidentally, we also have the name "gat" and sometimes "gut" that refers to a deeper water cut or passageway through a sandbank. All the best to you Tim and thank you.

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching Ken. Don't feel too bad for them, it's a daily occurrence. 😂 CUOTO

[@tedmorley298]

As always Capt, really enjoy the channel. Regarding the tide versus current debate- it might be helpful for folks to understand that current is the force imparted by the horizontal movement of water and tide is the vertical movement of water however, you are correct in that you are fighting the tide. Tide may rise and fall but the horizontal movement of water the rising waters create would be a "tidal current", whereas the tide itself is bringing more water into a constricted area and is therefore creating a force vector. These frequencies and amplitudes can be calculated, just like a height of tide, by the time and total cycle. We have the same discussions here all the time as it is often hard for folks to understand that what creates the current force is the tide as opposed to a current created in a river that is created by the flow of water and differential pressures. Keep the videos coming, it's always great to see things in action!! Next time you are down in Lauderdale visiting Courtney I'd love to catch up.

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching Ted. Yes! Next time in FLL let's make it happen. CUOTO

[@lenwhatever4187]

Grew up in the city, moved to another city even bigger.... then we moved to a small city with more of a town vibe..... I don't have any any reason to go back to a city... except maybe by boat.

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching. CUOTO

[@davidsheffield3551]

thats the new england way. the way i learned. keep a eye on the tide!!!!

[@TimBatSea]

💯 David! Thank you for watching. CUOTO

[@williamsestrom6355]

Wow, I've done that run a few times delivering a sailboat and when the tide is fair on a Saturday evening, we were passing cars on the FDR as they sat in traffic. But once I mis-timed it and had to fight the tide (OK, current) and could hardly move, especially in that area of the eddy. I'm impressed with how much power you have to be able make 5 or 6 knots against the tide and still have some in reserve. Very interesting video, Cap. Keep 'em coming! CUOTO

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching William..4200hp and a lite barge seem to help out. CUOTO

[@williamsestrom6355]

LOL 4200. I had a 5 HP long shaft kicker on the J/24 and we had an 18 HP Atomic 4 on the 30 footer. Not hardly 4200!! No wonder we were slower than the FDR traffic in that foul tide! But with the Main up and motor going in a fair tide we passed the FDR traffic. As you said, the tide is everything there. Better plan ahead in a sailboat !! Thanks to Mr. Eldridge! @@TimBatSea

[@tomsummers1137]

I am especially impressed by the kindness with which you suffer us armchair sailors. In the days before TWI C, (totally worthless identification credential), some of these same folks would wander the docks, and pester us for jobs. Now they’ve taken to their respective bunkers with their devices..

[@TimBatSea]

😂😂😂😂 Thank you very much for watching Tom. I appreciate that. CUOTO

[@tonysimons2860]

Thanks!

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you very very much Tony! I really appreciate that! CUOTO

[@pheenjpheenish5105]

It would be cool to see NY harbor. I have commented a few times on various vids and 3 or 4 knots current is huge (we usually use mph/not in the ocean). Getting up to bonneville locks sometimes your in 7-8 mph current, so it makes you at .5 or .2 mph over ground for about a 4 mile stretch. Then it is the dance of how shallow you want to risk vs speed because less current. Nothing like getting too close to the fast water and knowing you just added another half hour to this push with a 10 second mess up but as every captain knows you just deal with it. At the same time tide dictates currents so yeah i'm just worried about it, we have 140 miles of river before the first locks.

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching. You should be able to find a few years of NYC content here before I went to Puerto Rico. And more to come. CUOTO

[@eddieweigel9490]

Hey Tim wow that tide is ripping toward you guys

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching Eddie. CUOTO

[@edswider9309]

Wow Tim b at sea tour guide very cool

[@TimBatSea]

😂 Thank you very much for watching Ed. CUOTO

[@petematusick7471]

Thank you, I thoroughly enjoy your videos.

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching Peter. CUOTO

[@dhenschel4]

18:20 'I don't know which one it is" - I believe that is 71st Street. And that's the John Finley Walk that ramps up from the north and south and then heads west along the 71st Street Pedestrian Bridge. Thanks for the tour!

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching. CUOTO

[@nsylvester]

Capt. Tim, thanks for making this videos! Very informative and entertaining. Greetings from RI

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching Sylvester. CUOTO

[@ThamesShips]

Excellent video. I always like seeing the NY skyline and your commentary and history lessons are also excellent.

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you very much for watching and supporting the channel! CUOTO

[@edswider9309]

Tim you’ve been around to long they are arm chair skippers personally keep it up we all enjoy the videos

[@edswider9309]

I forgot cuoto

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you very much Ed. I appreciate that. CUOTO

[@OlDuckOffroad]

Great commentary during the video. I like the little tidbits of knowledge, like about the difference in how a wake affects the barge differently depending on the direction of the other boat.

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching. I appreciate you paying attention. CUOTO

[@butchhubbard6124]

Thanks for the ride Tim 😊

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching Butch. CUOTO

[@ralphaverill2001]

Thanks for the history lesson. I liked the metaphor of keeping some "throttle in [your] back pocket" in case things get squirrely.

[@TimBatSea]

Not a bad lesson to carry in life. Thank you for watching Ralph. CUOTO

[@netrhyda8761]

Nicely done!

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching. CUOTO

[@JimAllen-Persona]

I was on Randall's Island Sunday and you can drive/park right next to the river. I took a picture of the river headed right underneath Hell Gate from the south and you can literally see one current running southbound in the middle of northbound currents. Actually parked just a little south of the bridge (there's a soccer field there). Really nasty current... I could see where it's problematic. Also, just FYI- it's housing the largest of the "undocumented" in NYC in a huge tent... I got stopped and had to turn around on a narrow road. A lot bigger than it looks from the Triboro (yeah, RFK my ass). Interesting though, they have a huge psych hospital and the NYC fire academy on the islands.

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching Jim. CUOTO

[@ThumperKJFK]

That little ferry passed you, I was amazed at how much you and the barge started to heave..Buy the way. I watched them build that Cable tram, and dig the 63rd st Subway tunnels which is right under those two towers for the cable. Nice video Tim CUOTO.

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching Gregory. CUOTO

[@billh1471]

I thought the cable car was shutdown after a problem a few years ago. Good to know its still running. Fun way to get to Roosevelt Island

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching Bill. CUOTO

[@6r4metroman]

30lbs... good for you 🙂

[@TimBatSea]

I think I gained it all back in Spain. 😂 Thank you for watching. CUOTO

[@johnduffy532]

I think I could see the towers of the GW bridge to the right early in the video. Thanks for another great video.

[@TimBatSea]

Negative. You most likely saw the towers of the Harlem River Bridge. Thank you for watching John. CUOTO

[@James-seafan]

Excellent video thank you Tim

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching James. CUOTO

[@James-seafan]

your welcome Tim

[@ranger2316]

Hey from Tampa-St. Pete! Tim, thanks for taking us along . If I'm honest, I actually like watching these videos more than the PR videos. The scenery is interesting, but more importantly you don't have two harbor pilots telling you what to do! BTW, you're looking good! Are you on KETO?

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you very much for watching. Yes. Although I gained 10 bls back while in Spain. CUOTO

[@jamesterrill1938]

Great video and you telling the stories,,,CUOTO

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching James. CUOTO

[@stephenstange4194]

Congrats on the weight loss!!

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching Stephen. I think I gained it all back while in Spain. 😂 CUOTO

[@brianmccusker3852]

Whitey Ford ballpark. I live in Oregon and looked it up while following your progression through parts of New York. Wish you would have kept going with the narrative, but a shift change happened. Great videos of the city from the water, thanks Tim.

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching Brian. CUOTO

[@RagtimeBillyPeaches]

We here on the best coast also call it tide, and I, personally, have to row against it. So for me, it's wind and tide. Very important! Speaking of a 6 minute line: In the early to mid sixties I worked for the Douglas Aircraft Company. All timekeeping was done on a 6 minute line.

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching. I appreciate that. CUOTO

[@edswider9309]

Tim as I am listening to your video of docking I am applying that approach as I dock my 25 luhrs I am hitting a lot less poles cuoto pal

[@TimBatSea]

Excellent Ed! That's great. Thank you for watching. CUOTO

[@walkthedogs240]

Love your channel. That "one day a year" solar event is colloquially called "ManhattanHenge". The best viewing streets are the wide, two-way avenues with unobstructed Hudson River views to the west: 14th Street, 23rd Street, 34th Street, 42nd Street and 57th Street. I'm sure it's more spectacular from your vantage point on the East River than on the street. I totally agree with you about the food in Spain! I could eat tapas, paella and fideua every day for the rest of my life. Just not a fan of Spanish breakfasts which, for me, tended to be bocadillo de jamón (ham sandwiches). We actually stopped at a MickeyDs in Ronda to get an egg sammich.

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching. You are absolutely correct! 💯! After living in Madrid while attending school, the first thing I wanted to do apon getting home was eat a big "real" breakfast and drink a large glass of whole milk. 😂 CUOTO

[@user-jh1hz2ee4u]

love your vids i go to the merchant marine academy and wanna work on tugs can you make more vids of you docking or even just more vids of you cruising even just in the sound I don't need action I just love watching the tugboats working thanks keep it up fair winds and following seas tim.

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching. You should be able to find almost 300 videos that you may like. Study hard and I may see you on the dock one day. CUOTO

[@2020HotShotTruckingLLC]

Café con leche and those little shops that have meat hanging from the ceiling and they slice some off for you to eat... nah, no reason to gain weight. It's the tables where the center is piled with platters of food everyone shares that will get you! I was in Valladolid and Madrid for 10 days back in '96 - loved every minute of it!!!

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching. Crisálida and I wish we were back there now! I think I gained it all back. 😂 CUOTO

[@2020HotShotTruckingLLC]

@@TimBatSea Back around that time I lost about 40 Lbs. People asked me how I did it and I replied "I traded my wife in for a sailboat!" I had gotten complacent and my bad habits of snacking in front of the TV caught up to me. When I became single and started sailing a 25' Lancer, I was staying out on lakes every weekend and generally active all the time. Wasn't trying to lose weight, it just happened. As we age, our metabolism slows down and we have to make lifestyle changes to combat it. Best of luck (and best of health) to you!

[@garthjones3747]

up in the PNW tidal is 15 feet more when heading north creates a must know how to read a chart important what is the range out your way? great video almost the same weather here as you have there G.

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching Garth. The PNW is an area I really would like to see someday. CUOTO

[@mikehemming1331]

Fantastic yet again Tim thanks for taking time to take us all with you - the 8th September was my 50th wedding anniversary

[@TimBatSea]

Happy Anniversary! Thank you for watching. CUOTO

[@mikehemming1331]

@@TimBatSea thanks Tim and well done on losing that weight, I’ve just decided this morning I need to try and do the same

[@jasonharper2601]

another great video full of knowledge. always an armchair "expert". wow, the current is viaiblw. looks like is really rippin

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you very much for watching Jason. CUOTO

[@georgewootton2644]

Tim ... In reference to 18:35 "Neil deGrasse Tyson my favorite astrophysicist" have you watched his KZbin interview May 2020 "Neil deGrasse Tyson Celebrates Mother's Day With His Mom" ? This talk with his mom was a real gem ... insights into how his upbringing nurtured his interest in science. Another first class video Tim ... stay safe ... CUOTO

[@TimBatSea]

I have not, but I'm about to take bus from Portland Maine to Boston, then the train to NYC. So I am going to download it right now to enjoy it on the way. Thank you very much for watching and for the recommendation. CUOTO

[@georgewootton2644]

Tim ... the interview illustrates the best traits of the "human condition" ... very uplifting interaction between Neil and his mother. CUOTO @@TimBatSea

[@ohnomrbill7984]

The tide running against you was very evident against the small rock, with a channel marker, on your starboard side once you turned as you passed under the Triboro. I was curious and found a chart. I'm not sure if it was Holmes Rock or Hog Back. Another interesting video, thanks. CUOTO

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching! CUOTO

[@petematusick7471]

Tim, in your opening shot on the upper control room, behind you is a black panel and above it says emergency exit. What is that ? and how does it work? Thanks, keep up the good videos.

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching Peter. That is the escape trunk. It has a ladder that goes down to the lower level. CUOTO

[@wetsuit5]

Enjoyable video. Are there any speed restrictions on that waterway either high or low? i.e. Is your speed choices effecting other traffic and their requirements?

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching. I don't believe there are speed restrictions in in the east river. But you are responsible for your wake, so that keeps us slow. The Cape Cod Canal limits you to under 10 kts and you have to be able to complete the transit in 2 hours or less. CUOTO

[@t.d.bowman9585]

Just call it "The Rip". The new term that's Hip. Don't let your control Slip. Or you might take a Dip.

[@TimBatSea]

"Or even Trip"! 😂 Thank you for watching. CUOTO

[@t.d.bowman9585]

@@TimBatSea then you'll get the Whip. Don't let your tears Drip. I think that's it for this Clip

[@tjmcdermott]

Tim, can you tell us about the "EMERGENCY EXIT" sign behind you? It's not talking about the regular door to its left, is it? Is there a hatch of some sort behind the black curtain?

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching. That is the escape trunk. It has a ladder that goes to the lower level. CUOTO

[@Rangersfan381]

Tim, There was a barge fire in Port Liberty Jersey City on Sunday,October 22nd. Do you know any details? Looked like it was carrying old cars

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching. I haven't heard anything about a fire. CUOTO

[@frankcherry3810]

The guys outside are still in t-shirts… must be nice

[@TimBatSea]

That was filmed a couple months ago. Lol. CUOTO

[@milantoombs6696]

Thanks Tim, do you know the city or just the highlights from the water?

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching Milan. 😂 I've been working here for over 20 years and only know the city via the water. I get liat going to see Crisálida in Brooklyn. 😂. CUOTO

[@user-lk8in3rb5d]

I'm a new subscriber, I just discovered your videos, I really enjoy them. Could you please explain why a barge/tug combination is more economical than a small ship for areas such as the Caribbean where either could operate? I live in Alaska, we have regular barge service from the US West Coast, plus small-ish container ships and RoRos. I have always wondered why we have both, and how an operator decides which to use? Many thanks.

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching and welcome to the channel. It really has to do with manning and the high cost of labor. A ship would have minimum crew required that could be something like 17 to 35 crew. Where a tug may only have 4 or 5. CUOTO

[@user-lk8in3rb5d]

Many thanks, that is a huge difference. And, I'm loving the NYC scenery, when I visit there, I always take a few ferry rides just to watch the show.

[@cliffs5810]

Do small 16ft boats mess you up if they steer clear of you? I run my personal boat thru there during the summer. I just try to give bigger boats plenty of room. I'm just a amateur.

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching. That is great. Giving others room helps everyone out. CUOTO

[@frankcherry3810]

#28 to like! Hello from Chiang Mai Thailand

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching Frank. Crisálida and I were just saying how much we would like to be in Thailand. CUOTO

[@bigunone]

Historically it has always been referred to as incoming or outgoing tide not current

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching. CUOTO

[@frankcherry3810]

I use current

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching. CUOTO

[@georgelawton9075]

Drink lots of water 😊

[@TimBatSea]

😂 Thank you very much for watching George. CUOTO

[@toscacomo]

Does the incoming tide come in from both ends of the East river and meet somewhere?

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching. The tide flows to Long Island Sound and bunches up there. CUOTO

[@toscacomo]

Thanks for your answer. Your videos are a treat to watch.

[@lesterwicklein717]

CUOTO!

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching Lester. CUOTO

[@jasonharper2601]

i am interested in the article

[@TimBatSea]

www.nan.usace.army.mil/Portals/37/docs/history/hellgate.pdf

[@Dan-sd5bm]

The A C does not affect the sound quality let it run

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching Dan. CUOTO

[@paratyshow]

👍✅

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching. CUOTO

[@markpontes4457]

Are you in a 3,000 or a 4200?

[@TimBatSea]

Thank you for watching Mark. That video was shot on a 4200. CUOTO

[@edswider9309]

Oh no Tim your complicating your life getting married lots of laughts

[@TimBatSea]

😂😂😂😂 Who said anything about getting married? 😂 I'm just in love. Thank you for watching Ed. CUOTO

[@edswider9309]

Ha ha

[@General_Confusion]

Once you get her up on the plane the current shouldn't be such a problem. 🚤

[@TimBatSea]

Exactly! 😂 Thank you for watching. CUOTO

[@brianbarry6909]

😅😅