Fighting with my cheap Infrared Heating - Conclusion after the winter months: This is Junk.

[@brianharper8304]

thanks for your honest opinion,I've heard about these panels & all of their "benefits" but finding independent reviews is really difficult.

[@5th_decile]

If you follow the rationale of "local" heating, it seems to me that (cheaper) infrared light bulbs and heated clothing (or just extra layers of clothing) should work better.

[@brianharper8304]

@@5th_decile with the current energy crisis looming,that makes good sense.

[@5th_decile]

@@brianharper8304 I'm taping some lampshades with aluminum-foil from the inside: that should focus the infrared light in the desired direction. I hope to get a comfortable mode of operation at my desk with a heating budget of 100W (as opposed to this guys' 1000W). I just think that these infrared panels follow the same principle as infrared bulbs (heating the panel until such a temperature where its blackbody radiation is in the infrared) except that you have to spend that energy to get an entire plate up to the right temperature in stead of just 'one point'.

[@jeroenberkenbosch7072]

ermm , a lott out there not sponsored , maybe foreighn to you ! but not sponsored .

[@anachronisticon]

Forget heating the room. Heat yourself directly. I use a foot warming heater and a heated seat pad. They use trivial amounts of power (30W maybe) and provide direct gentle heat.

[@5th_decile]

Cold hands are annoying though (to a lesser extent, a cold face). Wearing gloves during desk work is unpractical. I think I'll solve that issue using infrared bulbs.

[@anachronisticon]

@J J Good point. I have a dehumidifier for exactly that reason. Although I'm in the process of rebuilding my wood stove, because direct heat will only take you so far in my completely uninsulated old house!

[@valaki-ph1hd]

@@5th_decile igen az asztali infra hasznal az egeszsegednek nem lessz hideg a kezed csak csinald 250 watt a tavolsagot allitsd a leg kellemesebbre

[@5th_decile]

@@valaki-ph1hd thx for allowing me to practise my hungarian 😅. The advantage of electric / infrared to conventional heating or heat pump to me seems the directionality of that method (certainly if you use laser or LED). If you don't use that directionality, I think there are only disadvantages (certainly from a thermodynamic point of view).

[@brianmgrim]

Anachronisticon: Have you ever performed a skin voltage test while being in such close proximity to that electrical field?

[@D3Sshooter]

I have a 5x5x4 meter room and no issue with 2 panels at 1000Watt, but those were not 170 Euro but 590 a piece... you need to get far end infra-red.... and place them at a proper place.... So I am more then happy with a brand type and EU certification.

[@nonyanks2510]

First and foremost InfraRed heats only objects not air. Second, heat only the area you need to heat to reduce heating simple curtains to reduce load are inexpensive, flexible and very effective.

[@evandenenden]

For us it was the best investment ever together with my 24 solarpanels and battery system. I installed 3x 1000 watt in living room and kitchen, 2x 800 watt in 2 bedrooms, 1x 600 watt in shower and again on de 2nd floor 2x 800 watt for bedrooms and 1x 600 watt in shower. We are very happy with it. Pay-out time compared with a new gas furnace plus radiators was 4 years. Now with the crazy energy prices even better. For us it was the best ever made financial investment in the house.

[@TheSvetlo9]

Where do you live and which energy class does your house has?

[@Movie16Master]

I just got a 14kw solar system with battery pack installed. I have been looking into infrared heating to help heat the bedrooms during the winter.

[@evandenenden]

@@TheSvetlo9Belgium and we went from class F to B

[@evandenenden]

@@Movie16Master Make sure you understand the heating system. - IR doesn't heat air - Have no obstacles in front or in line with the heater - See the system as the sun, .. what's in the shade, it doesn't warm up. - Hanging on the wall or on the ceilings is the best option. - calculate for 40 to 60 Watt per square meter

[@chicoktc]

@@evandenenden this is impressive Ed. I'm in NL, and considering a few of these for next winter (I'm dreading the new gas prices come June when my contract expires!!). F is quite bad, my house is at D I think. I also have solar panels, but no batteries. Where did you get yours? Would you recommend a company (in BE or NL) that sells and installs? thanks!

[@eel845]

I have a similar infrared heater installed behind my chair at a 1-2m distance. Works great for me and keeps my desk area warm and comfortable, while the rest of the room is slightly cooler (my partner prefers a lower temperature)

[@gonzalomoreno1062]

This devices emit infrared light that we can't see but acts on the same principles (inverse square law) so the closest you are from the source the quickest the fall of of the light/heat you will have. So I think you misunderstood the way they are supposed to work. They can heat you but from a sufficient distance so you are heated equally, but also they are intended to heat the objects and floor of the room. That is not going to happen instantly, so maybe that's not what you wanted. They will heat the objects and after some time the objects will heat the air of the room and after that a thermostat would be an option (thermostats detect air temperature, you was trying to use the wrong way trying to detect the direct heat of the infrared emitter). Please reconsider the theory behind the infrared heaters and maybe you will like them once you understand how they are supposed to work.

[@RazagalArtanis]

Exactly this. Many people don't appreciate that central heating in homes is designed to heat the structure and the air becoming warm is a loss of efficiency. The Infra read heaters are incredibly efficient had heating objects first, which then radiate the heat into the room. If you choose an underpowered Infrared system it will never be able to heat anything.

[@robertp.wainman4094]

Does the heating of objects in the room mean wooden furniture will eventually become dry and damaged?

[@DeniseFariaFigueiredo]

​@@robertp.wainman4094 No. Air humidity is kept the same and that's one of the main points in using infrared. Anything that doesn't use infrared, as far as I know, will work by heating the air by expressive amounts and that will in turn mean dryer air. Infrared will only change the temperature of the wood, nothing else (practically speaking).

[@TheCASimone]

I heat my whole home with the correct sizes for each space. I tried to use the panel I used in my bedroom (600w) in larger open plan living space and it failed. If I went about it that way I would have thought it was junk too. I however I used it in my bedroom first and knew it most certainly was heating up that space perfectly. After getting two 700w panels they worked amazing in the open plan area. You MUST use the recommended size. It is not conventional heating and therefore conventional approach or habits do not apply.

[@Shundi12]

I have a home office and I used my 2KW fan heater to heat the approx 12m squared room. The problem is, that electricity prices in the last few years have become very expensive. I found the most efficient way of heating a small office is to buy a low powered infrared panel (mine is 350W) and put that under and at the back of the desk that I'm working at. That keeps me pretty warm for most of the day and costs just under 10p an hour at the time of writing (about 80p per day). On colder days, I'll run the 2KW fan heater for about 30 minutes to bring the room up to temperature, then the infrared heater does just enough to keep it at that temperature. So a combination of using a powerful heater for a small amount of time and then a low powered one to keep that heat ticking over seems to be the most cost effective way of heating a small office.

[@ch.ajaysingh]

Which infrared heater do you use?

[@WartalesinSkyrim]

These are amazing as a mirror infrared panel in the bathroom; you just switch it on when you go under a shower or a few minutes before and when you are done you stand in front of a warm radiation mirror while dressing. Usually takes 3-5 minutes. It doesn't work really well to heat the air temperature in a cold room, but thats just due to the lower wattage. If you want to heat up the room like the 2000w heater, you'd just need infrared panels with the same amount of wattage; as these will heat up to 100 C degrees and will than also heat up the room the same amount; as it's just an electric heater in that sense. But you should hang your panel above your workplace to have a better effect. Then also get a small panel below the desk. Still, i can't imagine sitting so close to a 1000w infrared panel. The one in the bathroom with 600w gets really warm.

[@RichardHubbuck]

Ceiling mount it.

[@TheBrummybear]

I had a similar problem.. I looked at the infra red panels and ordinary heating like fan heaters and convectors. I finally settled on a 750w 30cmsq oil radiator. It sits under my desk and it's heavenly. It has a settable thermostat. They are very cheap to buy at only 20 euro.

[@DevonDumpling123]

Also one of the safest to use from the point of view or fire risk most of my family are fire fighters though anything can cause a fire (almost) I know of blazes started by a glass paperweight on a desk by the sun!

[@odys3803]

Definitely not the most efficient.

[@marktweedie9691]

To have made this work a bit better, and use it as more of a small area heater, it would have needed to be on a stand, about 1m in front of the desk, towards the camera, and with the centre at the same height as the desk, so it could heat equally above and below the desk. It might have been necessary to leave it on for 30 minutes before using the room, so the wall behind the desk got warmed up as well. If that wasn’t convenient regarding the camera position, then the heater could alternatively have been set at 30 to 45 degrees angle from the desk, near the box files on the left of the picture, and it might have worked nearly the same. Some of them do have optional stands or castors, as not everyone wants to mount them on walls or ceilings. The cheaper panels may not have those options, unfortunately. (It’s my Physics background that would suggest trying those variations, where possible.)

[@ArnoldvanKampen]

Another problem might be that it only switches on or off. As soon as it switches off. the cold air around you should then instantly be a chill factor. Just today I was driving in my car here in Holland (autumn now). So: Into the sun: warm. Into a shadow of a building: cold. Or compare it with being outside on a fresh day: Sun: warm, able to tolerate the fresh air. Clouds shift in front of sun: chilly immediately. ?

[@evandenenden]

Other remarks on your review. See the IR panel as the sun. If you sit in the sun the one in your shade does not receive sunlight (IR light) that's the reason why you are cold on the other side of your body when positioned to close to the IR panel. Than, the IR panel needs time to warm-up the surrounding objects and you, like the sun needs time to warm up things. With an sufficient amount of IR heating per M2 you should not have any problems of heating up spaces.

[@sdgelectronics]

If you're doing space heating as described, IR panels are not the solution and no more efficient than any other form of electric heating

[@evandenenden]

@@sdgelectronics Space heating is not realy efficient. When in the shower we like to feel the warmth on our skin. When cooking in the kitchen we like to feel the warmth there, the same on the dining table, Livingroom and bedrooms. But, you know, . . We are happy with our choices and on top of it, a lot cheaper as before with a gas furnace with so called space heating.

[@jeroenberkenbosch7072]

glad you explain how it is !

[@davedevonlad7402]

For that sized room you need 2 or even 3 panels to heat it effectively. Also those windows don't help as infrared goes straight through glass and those windows are huge. That will never work in a room that large with one heater. If you are heated but the rest of the room is not the heat radiating from you upwards will pull in cold air from the rest of the unheated room causing a cold upwash. You need to heat the rest of that room. If you want to use a small under desk heater make sure it's in a relatively small room or make sure the only place the heat can escape is past your body.

[@airsoftworldltd6846]

It would help your review -and your heating situation- if you understood how infrared radiation heater panels work, which you obviously do not. Your panel is too small and I doubt that the one you have is actually 1000W as it looks physically too small. The most efficient placement for your single panel would be on the ceiling above you and your desk. It would then heat you more uniformly but also gently warm your desk which would in turn radiate the heat also. Infrared is blocked from travelling by obstacles in its ‘line of sight’ such as the chair you are sitting on. Your LHS blocks heat directly warming to your RHS, when the panel is positioned as per your review. Infrared does not heat air, it heats the surfaces it sees directly, which is why it is far more efficient than convection heating, which wastes 95% of it’s energy heating the air in your entire room, while your brick and stone walls absorb it, thus taking forever to warm up the room and constantly needing to feed your walls with energy. Your biggest problem is the extremely poorly insulated room, it’s a heat sink. Solve that and you solve your heating issue. You are currently urinating into the sea and complaining that you can’t form a warm pool :)

[@chukidee6634]

This is a fantastic comment

[@PixelfriedhofTutorials]

Well, once again: If a supplier tells a customer, that his product is sufficient for his room size, but then obviously isn't, I think it's quite OK, to give it a bad review. You are right, it seems to be too small sized - but supplier advertised it as OK. So not my fault. I also had it mounted to the ceiling. Didn't work either. First then I tried placing it behind me or on my left.

[@airsoftworldltd6846]

@@PixelfriedhofTutorials I think you may have purchased a faulty or ‘cheap Chinese’ made panel. I was going to say this in my first comment but thought I had already said too much :) I have bought multiples of the same panel/same brand from a Electrical Trade Wholesaler in the UK some time ago. Almost every one proved to have a different performance. Only one of these panels actually worked ‘as advertised’. They were supposed to be ‘Made in the U.K.’ but after I investigated further, they were in fact made from Chinese sourced kit parts and assembled in the UK. The best company I found was an Austrian manufacturer, who I am sure truly designed and manufactured their panel brand in Austria. They were very good but expensive - and I cannot seem to find them now! Regarding your panel size for the room we see in your review; there is no way possible to heat that size and construction of room from this single panel you had. It would take at least 4 panels, maybe 6. However, the cost for buying and running this many would not be economical and therefore a better means of heating this room should be used. A partition wall, cheaply made from upcycled materials would help your situation with the intention of only heating the desk/office end of the room. No matter what heat you use, if your only source of heating is concentrated in the ‘office end’ of this room, it will always distribute the heat into the total room space and seriously lower your overall comfort level. Ideally, you really need to insulate the brick/stone walls and ceiling from the air in the room, which will never stop it’s first job; trying to heat them up to room temperature. However, I would guess by now that you have already decided to use your dining room table as your office and have given up on the idea of trying to heat this ‘terrace’ :) Best wishes for whatever you decide to do!

[@giriusmerkys4635]

to control it, you need timer (eg. cycle of 30s work and 20s pause), not thermostat

[@musicisitall]

thermostat works perfectly at my house.

[@eel845]

mine came with a thermostat

[@rikmoran3963]

I’ve not used a panel, but I do have a Veito free standing infrared heater for the same sort of use as you. It has four heat settings and unless the weather is very cold, i rarely use anything above the first setting. It’s great if you have a cold draughty house as it heats you directly and not the air. I’ve noticed panels vary tremendously on price, so I’m wondering if the one you purchased is not a good quality one.

[@__Andrew_]

Hey please share your thoughts on the drum background music does anybody think it does anything to improve this video or does it just annoy you?

[@wisevirginsmedia]

Thanks for an honest review. Have you ever thought of a jumper and a body warmer?

[@ninaannie696]

My family uses infrapanels in climate that goes sometimes to -20 Celcius degrees in winter and their panels work and feel great. You need to buy panel from good company and appropriate to room size and they run cheap and heat objects and you, not just air.

[@dprimo920]

Product recommendation?

[@FraYoshi]

please, name of the panels? Thanks..

[@jeroenberkenbosch7072]

true , been looking at vids of this for a while now . and some are 80,- to 150,- if you want a picture in it ? then its 249 , as you cant cover it up yourself with a poster or something . it has to be printed on the surface . as it does get 100 - 120 degrees celcius ! depending on manufacturer and wattage . hence they never would advice you to install at ground level , so one can get burned by it ! so in some way it will heat up the air ! but after a loooooooonnnnggg time .

[@chrishyde1216]

Is Herschel a good company?

[@iangunter6591]

thanks for you review mate. this was quite informative for me.

[@amber7591]

I have a love hate relationship with the infrared. I bought one for my living room cuz it's colder by the windows. It works as a supplement to my furnace. It helps maintain the warmth in the room but it has to run all day and it wont heat a big room unless it's filled with stuff. It said it can heat up to 1000 sq ft but idk about that. It cant warm the air. I think my oil filled radiator works better and I like that its silent. Ceramic fan forced is best for quick heat though.

[@Dunky80]

Aren't you meant to use the far infrared panels to heat the room surely that was too small to do that so you wouldn't have got the benefit. I don't think you're meant to use it like the old infrared lamp heaters?

[@n0spam911]

he did use as far IR but because there was no effect he moved closer. As he said it was advertised to work for 5m - 10m

[@jeroenberkenbosch7072]

exactly . he thinks one second heat ! and his unit was to weak for that space !

[@youknow6968]

On amazon 1000w panel heaters look a lot bigger, that size usually is around 300w.

[@tomaszgiba]

This is true. I am a little perplexed by quality, price of panels and range of opinions about if they work or not. I just ordered 400w panel that is size of the one in this video. Looks like there's plenty of "infrared" panels that are cheap but essentially are just metal plates heated by electricity. We'll see.

[@uncalcioalcalcio2855]

In this October here in Italy Lake of Como my similar panel 800 watt warm the hall enough, but in December, January, February is weak and not enough power, but now in October I can have some warm watching my tv and staying on pc. Yes I expected more efficacy, but the money, for 139 euro, is not so much. It does some work, more or less.

[@mike289homebuilt5]

Everyone will tell me im wrong, but once infrared is absorbed it produces heat. 500 watts of electric produces a specific amout of heating. Point it twords something that wont catch fire like black tile. They used to make a Ceramic element heater that output more heat than the wattage of input. I would think its piezoelectric or some affect.

[@mynestintheforest]

I was considering getting one. I have done my research and I am not getting it and sticking with an always reliable wood stove. Great review. Totally makes sense.

[@ricktomlin5529]

If you understand hearing theories you will see how great infrared heating is. Infrared heating gives you twice the heating for the same input of electricity. It is true that infrared heating works by heating objects. So in a typical room it will heat furniture, people, floor, walls etc. As these objects are heated air circulates the room removing heat from the objects and transferring the heat to the air. Each object heated by infrared is now converted into radiators by heating the air as it circulates. So if the infrared was turned off the objects continue to radiate their heat. Before reviewing something you should really try to understand the theory behind it.

[@willsmithorg]

He understands it, and he found it doesn't work for him.

[@LaszloRobertZsiros]

@@willsmithorg Well, apparently he didn't understand it, just bought a random 1 kW panel, sat right in front of it and made a complaint about how radiation works.

[@jeroenberkenbosch7072]

bingo !

[@Ludifant]

I bought a 400W panel and installed it in my workplace, I have to be in a 3m radius. The effect is quite strange and not comparable with a room heater. (Oh, you need good insulation, any draft will totally negate the effect). But once you get used to it, it´s quite comfortable. My central heater broke down and through lockdown there is no one to repair it and this is day two, it´s december, coldest month of the year and today it is 2 degrees Celsius, the winter is setting in... I am quite happy with my infrared heater panel now :) It doesn´t heat the room (much) but it´s lovely to have a place to be warm, for instance to wash with the water I heated for that purpose.. The house, which was built in 1910, but completely insulated to beyond modern standards) maintains a temperature of about 10-12 degrees, just from being well insulated and me heating it up by cooking, using the fridge, washing machine etc. I have around 60m2 and 180m3, so high ceilings and I am starting to wonder if I actually need central heating or if it is even a logical choice. I just bought a second panel, so... I don´t know what you are talking about. I guess it´s a matter of expectations or you are not in a well insulated room. Or maybe you bought a really, really cheap panel, mine was about 200,- euro´s for 400 watts (Eurom / mon soleil verre). It has a built in thermostat, that measures the air above the panel. I keep it at 21 degrees, that stops my hands from freezing and with a sweater and some long underpants, I am quite comfortable. :) I am curious how it will hold up, though when we start getting below zero, which will be next week..

[@sanibelt]

Any updates on how it's held up?

[@saskiazieltjens]

Yes how was the winter?

[@MsLincos]

Curious too.

[@jeroenberkenbosch7072]

that size needs more , at least 3 x 600 watts . then even a livingroom is comfortable without long-johns ! but yeah still expensive at that time i see ! 89,- 350 watt toilet ceiling size , 150,- 120x50 cm 600 watts ? 20,- + including thermostat ? 249,- if you want it as a pictureframe . but thats importcost i guees added .

[@jacksonvonblau7311]

Panel looks very small to be a 1000w.......your Wintergarten looks like a cold trap....24m sq is a big room. Hershell panels have consistent good reviews and are larger 120x80 cm radiant area.....suspect your Wintergarten would require 2 panels....if you were using 2kw before, why do you expect 1000w cheapest infrared heater to be adequate? You gets what you pays for. Good review though.

[@appytube3385]

You are right - it doesnt heat the world lol

[@jeroenberkenbosch7072]

and more german manufacturers , but yeah a 1000 for that small size . doubt he purchased that on a local sales site ! maybe e-bay or amazon . didnt check its power usage even . if you have friends or buy online anyway . go also for a socket wattage meter ? as it does look like 350-450 watts , likely more for a toilet or small bathroom .

[@joshuagrant3821]

Thanks from Leipzig, you just saved us some money. I was wondering though, what if you turned it around and heated the stone wall? Perhaps it could work similar to an old ceramic kaminofen.

[@jeroenberkenbosch7072]

nope , and didnt save you money as you can see by now ! your gas or wood heaters a lott in germany . just look beyond . there are enough who think this is a good product against gas heating . that you see one miss , and i see a lott of people here sometimes making the overkill mistake . a decent livingroom can be "localy" heated with 2 - 1,20 mtr x o,50 mtr 600 watt - 700 watt panels and thermostat . but why dont you look yourself for a infrared panel store in your area ? any country by now has them ! so you can look for yourself , if they are no good , then you should be able to return them .

[@JohnJones-ky6ki]

@@jeroenberkenbosch7072 Beste manier is om met een airco je kamer te verwarmen, doe ik al 3 jaar. Op een koude avond verbruik is 3 to 4 kilowatt.

[@jeroenberkenbosch7072]

@@JohnJones-ky6ki prijs van zoiets , dus hybride airco ?

[@MrIanspeed]

Did you ever consider an air source heat pump? My workshop (56m3) uses a cheap split mini heat pump 12,000BTU, when it's putting out 45c from the indoor unit and the outdoor unit is in 3c it's using about 400-600w... Best thing ever. But I would never get one for our cottage as it isn't insulated enough...

[@PixelfriedhofTutorials]

That is exactly what I will do. We will get solar panels installed for generating power and that will then power the split pump.

[@MrIanspeed]

@@PixelfriedhofTutorials That's where I messed up, I never considered the solar panels or battery wall. My workshop with all electronics and two computers running uses 330watts per hour. Today the workshop is pushing that to 550 - 650w for the 15minutes it took the heat pump to warm up the workshop, external was 7c. I'm considering the solar panels and battery wall, my workshop is south/west on a hillside with two fields in front of it, so perfect for SP & a small turbine... Be good to hear your thoughts on the heat pump when you get it installed. On a side note, my heat pump/air con unit uses R290 refrigerant (pure Propane so environmentally friendly) and was a pre gassed system so I was able to do a self install with no problems at all. Not sure how the regulations are for that in Germany though. Total cost was around 420 euro.

[@jeroenberkenbosch7072]

also a good idea . so its a aircon that works both ways ? keep in mind , also that has temp limits . the lower the temp , the higher the energy usage .

[@MrIanspeed]

@@jeroenberkenbosch7072 yes, heating and cooling, we had an issue with firmware on it for a week before the engineer came out last winter and we had to use a halogen heater, ouch, 1.2Kw and couldn't get the place anywhere near as warm as my heat pump. Overall this summer it's been brilliant in the 39c, keeping it around 21c. The only winter drawback I find with it is if there is a lot of humidity in the minus c, i.e fog/mist, then the external unit can frost up and then has go in to defrost most before it will start heating again, which can use a bit more power, but overall far more efficient than standard electric heaters and infrared panels, as long as the building is well insulted :-)

[@jeroenberkenbosch7072]

@@MrIanspeed hmm , heatpumps air-water about 7k , so if one just is "roughing it " ? IR panels are still a cheap alternative ! as i am from before the time "central heating " was only affordable for middle management people , only in the 80`s - 90`s it got installed by the social building cooperation as "updating" the heating system . but i am used to having a cold bedroom , so only livingroom is for me priority ! also most buildings here are insulated , double pane windows and even double insulated roofs ! chimneys removed a few years back , as no one uses gas heaters anymore as much then for nostalgic woodburners !

[@jordanshim380]

Summary: He didn't buy the right panel for his use case, went as cheap as possible based off what information we have and as a result of this, he suffered for these poor decisions. The rest of the video is just fluff.

[@tonyknight9912]

You should have put it on the ceiling so it heats you from above. I have one in the bathroom and it is superb ! You need to get an IR heater that is suitable for the volume of the room.

[@PixelfriedhofTutorials]

You heard i mounted it to the ceiling before?

[@tonyknight9912]

@@PixelfriedhofTutorials You need to get a rating twice that recommended for the area / volume you have. That way it will heat up the area much quicker, where by you can then control it in some manner. They take ~ 15 minutes to heat up and then need to warm the whole volume of the room in order to take effect. They are not for quick in and out type use but in a bathroom for instance after half an hour they are magic and you feel the heat all around. A combination of blow heater and IR heater for your application would be ideal and after a while you may be able to turn off the blow heater. You should try it like this, but I suggest you need an IR panel of something like 1200W as you have a lot of brickwork there and it is a large mass to absorb the IR to start with.

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

Next time, watch the video.

[@garyowen4112]

@@PixelfriedhofTutorials you will find that its not 1000w,more likely 300w from the size of panel

[@EduardoCanastra]

it works better in the ceiling

[@ashleylaw]

Your room is too big for just that tiny panel. You need 2 panels of 500 watt each positioned higher up on the wall remember the Sun is in the sky not at waist height. Mine work fine.

[@madharry6792]

Bless you, you have to appreciate the principle of infrared heaters. They heat by heating the walls or floors of a room. They are not meant to directly heat humans. The one close to your left side will of course turn you into a roast 😊. My suggestion, if you haven’t already sold your IR heater, is to move it on the opposite wall (your right side) and raise it so it is above your head in seated position. Turn it on an hour before you start in your room. It will heat up your left side wall and the wall will radiate heat (like it does on a hot summer evening long after the sun is set).

[@PixelfriedhofTutorials]

That's what I did in the first instance. I mounted to ceiling, wall behind, left, right. Nothing. Only when I putted it left, I felt the heat - a little too much.

[@lroche3262]

Infrared heaters are for direct heating indeed. Meant to heat humans directly, like the sun shine, the patio heaters, and fire places. Much better than warming up the air, which takes longer and it is more expensive.

[@diversitylove5460]

I think effective depends on mass and proximity

[@handsofdoubt31]

I genuinely think you should take this video down. Your experience doesn't tally with any others I've found. Seems to me you bought a very cheap panel, which could be either rubbish or defective. A 1000W panel that close to you should keep you extremely toasty warm. You've only experienced one cheap/poor product and have based your opinion on it. There are people out there fitting these as their entire house heating system. They wouldn't do that if they didn't work. My advice.....get a good quality panel of about 700W and mount it on the wall directly behind you. It won't heat the entire large space you have but it should do around half of that volume.......the half where you are sitting. This technology could be a key part to decarbonising the energy sector. There are very few vids on youtube about real life experience and I don't think yours is a true reflection of the tech and will put people off.

[@vacation_generation]

Great video. These issues will be affecting all us Northern European's this winter. I'm already having these discussions with my wife, that come winter, we're going to have a problem keeping warm.

[@jeroenberkenbosch7072]

if your happily married , do the same as we all did when we only had one heater in the livingroom !

[@cherrelleg8276]

Are u able to get a pellet stove

[@johnwilson1815]

I think your panel is way too small for the room . From the sales videos I've watched you'd probably need around three which are three times the size.

[@ScoobyD2]

This man needs and has earned a beer, danke 🍻

[@RichardHubbuck]

The issue is that they aren’t designed to heat the air; the infrared waves heat objects (which heat the air).

[@fijianz1]

for infrared you must be directly exposed to it... its for personal quick heating not the whole space. If im cold it turn it on directly in front of it whilst my heat pump kicks in. its great for outdoor or drafty areas too but u must be in front of it.

[@STARDRIVE]

Now if only that monitor could radiate IR :) Perhas you want a small 300W desk heater. They are tiny, like a BT speaker. 2 of those next to your keyboard can warm your face and hands, which is about all you need. To warm your body, get a thermos filled with tea.

[@WoutMertens]

are they deep infrared too?

[@STARDRIVE]

@@WoutMertens Don't know..

[@James-cheese]

You mentioned the grilled chicken, and I noticed that you are sitting on a swivel chair - I have an idea that might work 🤔 Try turning your work place into a rotisserie. If you set the rotation speed correctly, you should be 'done' evenly. 👍

[@adrianmaguire5459]

I personally think you had it mounted in the wrong place. Also you don't really understand the way these work! There is an amount of heat that builds up on the face of the panel but far infrared energy heats up objects Which in turn gives of heat. Assuming your ceiling is about 8' then I think that would have been a better place to fit it. Also it's better if you had it set to come on about an hour before you use the desk area and you would have noticed a greater improvement. I fitted an 850 watt one in our bedroom at picture height on the wall opposite our bed (about 6' from the end of the bed) when needed we turn it on about 2 hours before going to bed and the bed is toast when we get in. For the size of the room it's undersized by 500w but we don't like the bedroom to warm and this one has a great picture printed on the front.

[@jeroenberkenbosch7072]

the only thing if one is used with infrared is known ....... the lamps , but they are narrow beam ..... these panels should be wide beam radiating IR ! and mostly ceiling is the best option and indeed , pre-heat . and save gas !

[@patrickryan7385]

I think they only heat what they hit. I think you need panels on the ceiling for it to work effectively.

[@Mikeisready]

Eventually they heat the whole room because heat comes off the objects in the room including people

[@dallan7740]

He says in the video that he tried it on the ceiling.

[@typxxilps]

Infrared can not warm the shadow of your body If you put it above you your head will melt and the bottom side of legs and arms in the shadow will not get warm. There is only 1 chance: a curved mirror that reflects the energy back ... (and might heat the mirror too a bit). The electric heater with a temperature controlled outlet for 20€ works great for us to heat a motorhome in the cold german winter time. And you might have another chance to improve the situation in your new wintergarten office: buy a huge acrylglas panel to separate your sitting area from the whole room during winter months or use a glas sliding door. The efficiency will improve but the main effect will be fast heating of the desk space where you sit and work ... so a glas or acryl "Raumteiler" would save a lot of energy and the heat distribution will also be better. Yes, sliding glas doors like used in kitchens are pretty expensive or not the cheapest but if you think about tinkering a bit then there is a better solution. You can build a wood frame and put a translucent foil on in just to get a feeling how much faster it will be to only heat 1 / 3 of the room but that part you are needing to be heated fast and comfortable and efficient. If you believe in this theory forget about a wooden frame and try to get a huge acrylic panel or for the beginning an old wintergarten rooftop called Polycarbonat Doppelstegplatte. They are quite cheap, have an insulation factor due to the air chamber inside and try to make a slideable mechanism. The effect is great and heating time 3 times faster and 4 times less energy with those doppelstegplatten. Yes, it does not look that nice but for a first solution it is great and if you want a nice looking one you might get acrylic glas (no insulation) or a real sliding door used for Wintergarten. Unless you do not reduce the space and therefore the volume you have to heat you can not really expect any good results except by a "Wärmflasche" you have to exchange every hour or so. Due to the fact that it had been a Wintergarten with its size that is nice to look over from the desk I guess that a permanent separation is not good but a temporarily that can be removed in March when the sun will be back for sure (cause it is a wintergarten that is mostly located on the southern part of the house). Just start with a temporarily "separation" to get behind how much fast and more efficient that solution might be. If you are convinced you can start spending more money / time / effort for a better solution and Acrylglas would be my first choice in case of budget friendly, temporarily solution for strong winter times. You might need a wooden frame to make the separation moveable and slideable ... Btw: cheapest solution to crosscheck the effect is a heavy curtain from the ceiling to the bottom with strong mercury chain to stop the air exchange. You might look at a curtain, but for a week or two just to measure the time and energy consumption (and of cause temperature inside and outside before and while heating) it is the fastest and cheapest solution to get data and a feeling if a acrylglas separation would bring the effects you are looking for. Final thoughts: prolonge the househeating into this room cause electric heating is very expensive kind to heat while the already existing house heating is producing the addional warmth a lot cheaper especially during winter but also in the spring and autumn when we still have dark cold days between summer sun. Good luck

[@LaOwlett]

IR works by heating the surfaces of objects in the room, which then dissipates heat to the surrounding air. If you don't also have decent insulation, you will lose most of that phase two heating, and your panel won't be very effective.

[@carrikartes1403]

Thank you for this. I was interested and am happy to hear your experience.

[@joeboatman934]

I too am thinking about an infrared panel but the Herschel website (and KZbin vids) indicate that it heats the fabric of the building. It will warm you up noticeably if you stand in the 'beam' in front of the panel and the part of you not in the 'beam' will still freeze! Apparently, and I've yet to prove this to myself when I buy one, a convection heater warms the air and this means that humidity can condense out of the warmed air on to cold walls. An IR panel warms the fabric (ie walls and furniture) of your room and not the air. So the whole room will act like a radiator once it warms up - and then maintaining the warmth will be cheaper as the thermostat turns off the IR panel. Perhaps if your IR panel is further away from you, you will notice that the room becomes warmer and therefore you will then feel warmer! Also, if 'warm' is 24 degrees centigrade, I understand that you will feel warm at a lower 22 degrees with an IR panel. What I don't understand is that Amazon sell a 60 x 60 cm panel at £150, Herschel sells at £315 and Redwell sells at £600-ish. I can't work out the difference in construction!

[@MarkAppleTV]

Me too.. I should most welcome any thoughts on why the price ranges so much. Real difference in quality - or just taking an advantage of a relatively new market ?

[@Patrick.Sanchez]

It's 2022, forget IR panels (tech from years ago), get underfloor IR and 10MW solar panel instalation. No more bills!

[@jeroenberkenbosch7072]

yeah . 3k for floor , 3k for solar ! and do you forget they are slowly turning down the "return" debit ? for now , 100-300,- 2 panels of 600 watt for heating a lvingroom should be enough ! ceiling mounted .

[@Patrick.Sanchez]

@@jeroenberkenbosch7072 ceiling IR = cold floor and boiling head. 10MW I meant per year

[@jeroenberkenbosch7072]

@@Patrick.Sanchez yeah , boiling head , so you walk on bare feet ? or slippers , socks or other footware ? as not all are fortunate to afford the prices i mentioned ! sigh ....... offcourse not directly on top of you , as its a wide beam with 4 mtr ranges !

[@Patrick.Sanchez]

@@jeroenberkenbosch7072 underfloor IR is cheaper than or panels, no?

[@jeroenberkenbosch7072]

@@Patrick.Sanchez 2 panels of 600 watt 149,- ( dependig of room depth so m3 )= 300 + 80,- for thermostat = 380,- , or just a smart switch ? floor is depending on size 1500-2000,- with full instalation pakkage and taking out floor , and extra socket for these rolls ! so what you can afford !

[@HUNmerlin]

recently got a 350W infra panel for my (tiny) bathroom. it does absolutely nothing. it warms itself a bit but that's all. not even sure if it's real infrared since I thought my phone camera should be able to see that, but this thing is dark from all sides and holes. for comparison I have a 150W infrared lamp (that thing with a large red light bulb) and I can feel it's heat instantly from 2 meters). I think many of these panels are some scam

[@MsLincos]

Can you please give me a link what kind of panel you bought? I don't want to make the same mistake. Thank you!

[@jeroenberkenbosch7072]

online bought ? investigate . as it probably is a scam .

[@juniorcobb5162]

That's amazing! I'd love to watch you buy expensive things and listen to you, house, car etc I never thought someone could complain that much over a heater system

[@feboogi]

Those are suppose to be mounted on ceiling . It will heat your entire space...if wsll mounted allow free flowing travel space ...... youre sitting in front of it as youre not allowing the waves to travel .

[@osofhia]

I'm about to buy infrared underfloor heating and went through the dimension of my room with a specialist. They had to measure the cubic metres in order to determine the amount of heaters/mats, and therefore the required wattage. Based on what they told me, your panel is only useful for a very small space. the size of my space is about the same as yours, but I'll be needing several connected heaters.

[@jeroenberkenbosch7072]

correct , cubic meters is the answer . some think still in square feet ! it only heats the surrounding materials , not the air . but even in time the surrounding will also give off the heat .

[@osofhia]

Update after a winter and summer of having the underfloor heating installed. It is amazing. It heats quickly. And heats the objects in the room. The room is about 5m x 5m with a ceiling height of about 2.3m. 3m wide bi-fold doors (where heat is lost) but it just seems to work. And with the thermostat, it is regulated so doesn’t cost very much to run.

[@jeroenberkenbosch7072]

@@osofhia price ? as here its about 2k . and extra powerlines . so only viable for new tennants !

[@osofhia]

@@jeroenberkenbosch7072 that’s about right. I think I paid just under that and needed extra cabling only because the cables provided didn’t reach the power point on the plan. I can add a link to the place I purchased. If I’m allowed to on KZbin.

[@jeroenberkenbosch7072]

@@osofhia what i seen from an instalation vid .... the wires are only for to the closest registered powerpoint on the floor . they actualy hacked and laid a new line there , and had one where the thermostat was installed , then connect like 8 wires each with the plus and minus and make grooves to direct the lines under the flooring and not to put presure on . tbh , if i watched it and had to do that , would have done it different . but actualy anyone can do it themselves if your technical knowledgable and handy after that vid ! its that : A - 2 k is not affordable for me B - i have a thick hardwood floor , and is a hassle to get out , including the whole interior . hence i said "for new tennants" or people who were allready going on renovating it all !

[@mrtjackson]

Surely it's because it works like light, and your right side is in shadow? Having two, one each side might have worked better?

[@adrianred236]

5:51 Are you not sitting on a swivel chair, is that not the solution to warming all the way around?

[@IJm3]

Panels not bad. You need a waay larger one or 2 of them.

[@andrewjenkinson7052]

"24 square meters LONG" is not a thing! If you mean 24 meters long, how wide is it? If you mean the AREA is 24 square meters could you please give us length, width and height in meters? Thanks

[@landmarkoxford]

You should not expect a thermostat to work in your case because the heater you have installed is far too small to heat such a large room. If you are too hot you need a heater with smaller output. You will find this very effective and cheap to run compared with conventional room heating.

[@gebbione]

nice comment, do you have a comparison to point to with obvious pros and cons? i hate gas but I am looking for more information just i case I will need to get some of these heat panels

[@DICARLOPRODUCTIONS]

@@gebbione I have one mounted on feet right next to my desk in my studio. Mine is 550 watts, and heats my entire 25qm studio comfortably. Of course, if you´re expecting it to heat the room to 80 degrees, ( 26 Celsius) that´s not going to happen. I don´t like overly heated rooms, because they make me tired. I would say the temperature in my studio using my Infrared heater in winter is around 65 degrees, (18 Celsius) which is plenty warm for me. Of course sitting directly next to the heater, it will be warmer. Infrared heaters don´t work as fast as heaters with fans. Even electric oil heaters take time to warm up, so it´s best to buy a timer, and heat up the room 15-20 minutes before. One thing for sure, Infrared heating will cut your electric bill in half.

[@Siberius-]

I think your situation just calls for an infrared floor heater that reflects the infrared at you. Or one that mounts on a wall, though your walls look kinda close. They're not all that pretty, but yea. Some designs are better than others, I'd avoid the ones with a grill that only heaves small holes, because that's dumb, and also avoid grills that are painted a colour instead of being reflective metal, because the grill will absorb quite a bit of the energy.

[@matc6221]

I think if you have an old solid stone walled house, like the one I live in, they are not as effective. I've had similar mixed results. Mine has a thermostat and it was below freezing on Saturday. The heating panel struggled to get past 21C. Which sounds warm but my walls were so cold I was still chilled even will several layers on. I have a 1200w ceiling mounted. It has a suspension system where I can adjust the highlight so the only thing I can think of is to lower it down more closer to me. Maybe it's just too high and the rays aren't reaching me enough? They work very differently to conventional heating and so it might take time finding the best place to put it. Also for a room your size it might be a bit low wattage?

[@lmc4964]

did you try the heater behind you?

[@2009glories]

Then use 2 --- one for each side of your body. You are absolutely right about the thermostat, though (They need a thermostat - digital, preferable.). Also, the price is high for only 1000 output.

[@joe4piet]

Mount it at the ceiling, above you

[@monikaturlay5739]

I have one and I am happy. Before you complain you should be sure that you bought correct heater for size of room. You should check where is the best location for installation. Behind the desk, close to the floor level? I mounted my on the ceiling as close to the centre of the room as possible. That’s only my opinion. I spend on my £95 and I am thinking about buying another for kitchen.

[@anjabo8448]

IR heater doesnt have enything with size of room. It has to warm humans body by direct radiation. If sitting job, the panel has to be on the ceiling. Easy as that. Simple rules.

[@RichardBransonuk]

Try painting your space with dark colours. IR loves black and ignores white altogether.

[@jeroenberkenbosch7072]

eerrrmm , white reflects , black consumes heat ............ imagine the time it takes to heat up a dark room ? before it has stored enough heat to radiate it back ?

[@mikirubiroza8292]

6 chicken heating bulbs and you are roasted....150W or 250W power... Stil i got some idea for my system in need if i will need it.

[@Wisephoton]

I think you have miss understood how infrared radiation works. Infrared travels in straight lines hence why it will always only heat a surface in its line of sight. Which is way only half your body was heated. Even if you placed it on the ceiling it will only heat minimal body surfaces as your hips to your feet will be under your desk surface. Infrared is attractive because it is very efficient at converting energy to heat compared to all other conversions to heat. People also make the mistake of thinking they can fit powerful infrared heaters throughout the home. Again, imagine if you have 3kW heater on the ceiling of each room in your house. It will still only heat a small range of surface so you may need to have 2 or 3 ceiling heaters so they overlap from one area to the next. But again if you imagine zero degree temperatures outside when you walk from one heated area to another in another room the none-radiated gaps will be extremely cold. Heating the air is far more "comfortable" as it travels to all areas and heats all the spaces but yes it is currently expensive.

[@nottooherbal]

Do they shine one way ie. do they heat a wall or ceiling they’re mounted on as well as you?

[@chicoktc]

ideally you have good insulation on the back end. you don't want to waste that energy on the ceiling (or the wall) behind it

[@aperson1181]

are these far infrared or near?

[@lostit2012]

What in the hell ,why does the link in the "show more "section send me to some outrageously priced oil heaters..

[@MarkAppleTV]

Does anyone have any European brands for infra-red panels that they trust? and those that they don't? I am beginning to look into this and note that the price of panels of similar size and power differs enormously

[@woodworks2123]

What brand was this panel?

[@janegrassmarket1414]

Insulate insulate. Insulate everything. Do I see brick walls? That's your problem. They will suck away any heat. Cover with insulation. Maybe a thin layer of cardboard, carpet or rugs or get an expert in. This will also improve video audio. Stand the heater on the floor under the desk. Thoroughly screen off the desk to cut draughts. 10 watt heating on/in the seat (like a car seat heater) 10 watt heat-pad under your feet. Your dog will fight you over this. 😁Roasty toasty cosy.

[@drs-Rigo-Reus]

I have a laboratory (:-)) but it does not work there either..... Maybe I should get 40.000 watt versions.

[@B2BEnergy]

I've just installed these in my flat. I have obviously reduce my energy cost by 50% so being an energy expert this is the good thing. My flat is a top floor flat where I do benefit from the heat from downstairs. It is early days. My Bathroom one is definitely beautiful and does work well (but its a small room)

[@RagnarokLoW]

1000w seems very ambitious for that little panel

[@DICARLOPRODUCTIONS]

Well, this is your opinion, but you obviously are more sensitive to cold then others, and you obviously have the cash to pay expensive electric bills. I on the other hand have a 550 watt infrared heater on a stand next to my computer desk in my 25 qm studio, and it heats the room to around 70 degrees, (18 Celsius) which is plenty warm for me. Sometimes it´s actually too warm if I´m sitting right next to it. I´m in Berlin, Germany, and have used the infrared heater since 2019, and it´s cut my electric bill in half. I would suggest that you buy another 1000 watt and mount it on the opposite wall, so that you have heat from both sides. I once had a room that was a Winter Garten, and they can get quite chilly, but it was heated with a gas central heating system like the other rooms in the apartment. I´m thinking about buying 2 x more 550 watt infrared heaters for my other rooms, because it´s going to be a cold winter this year for anyone in Germany heating with gas.

[@borisbolshoi7317]

I think that ir panel you have is broken. I had a 600 watt infrared heater before and i had to 3 times the distance you are away from it. It would burn my skin if I sat the distance you are sat next to it.

[@brendenm4338]

You're right. This guy in the video didn't do his research. He needs a higher wattage.

[@wotireckon]

Thank you for this - a very informative (and quite funny) video. Like you, I thought I'd try them out, so I bought a 350watt panel. Also like you, I found it underwhelming - it is fairly warm up to half a metre away, but after that, not really detectable, which is a shame as I had high hopes for these.

[@OviHentea]

try a 2,000watt

[@michaelmich00]

try more watt

[@tealou-ease5549]

IR panels are only effective when properly spec’d. if you under power the room won’t feel warm. It’s like trying to heat a space with a 20x20cm radiator. When properly powered the room heats with less energy and feels very comfortable, because the heaters manage to effectively heat the thermal mass of the room in less time and then the heater on for less time.

[@jeroenberkenbosch7072]

~350 watts is hardly toiletsize room ........... bathroom ( shower/bath and washingmachine ) is 450 watt ( 600 advised ) . issue is also , cold & damp rooms do take a long time to heat up .

[@handleisGG]

Its LOW it needs to be on a wall preferably infront of you and high up like a picture/art frame or on the ceiling , it'll heat up all the furniture AND you

[@SamA-zl8bp]

Thx for vid. I assume it works a bit like sunlight so the fact you absolutely love white and pale objects and clothes I assume it would effect it. A black desk and dark shirt might be a factor. Just a thought

[@hove7008]

Why not use air conditioner for heating/cooling? It does it fastest and it's most efficient.

[@wickedleeloopy2115]

Infared heaters only heat objects in front of them. They don't actually heat up the air temperature. Money better spent on a battery heated jacket.

[@Mythix2]

there is no way that thing is 1000 watts for that size and price. probably only half that.

[@stanislavcoros]

Inexperienced customer. Quality infrapanels has glass-front side and they should be instsllee on the roof , becouse they produce ´light” in invisible length they need to shine on whole room like normal LED panel would do and where it shines it heats. Pamel itself starts to be a little warm but thats not the main warm producing point. Go lesrn about this product and dont buy low quality ebay scrap

[@ralph17p]

Wintergarten = Conservatory

[@gerfernandez4681]

Thank you very much for the video...

[@binh526]

I think the heater is not placed at it's best. It's probably better to place it behind you or on the ceiling above you. Also the white color will reflect the radiations.

[@andrewwhite1065]

I'm thinking ways to amplify and retain some the heat from radiant or convection heater, that's small to medium in size and a plug-in.... that's the least expensive to run. Any ideas?

[@jeroenberkenbosch7072]

500 watt socket heater ! or other electric heater with a fan ? and make sure your room is insulated , and has double layered glass ! maybe 20,- with thermostat at a local "action" !

[@Mikeisready]

I suggest you partition the room to make your area smaller

[@JohnSmith-oj3uu]

I am guessing you do not own the building? Why not a MiniSplit? Like Daikin or Mr Cool DYI

[@PixelfriedhofTutorials]

I own the building. Split is what I did instead, but this video was just about infrared.

[@rioborzelli7291]

Thank you for your honesty review. Glad I do not need to waste my time with this heating pnl.

[@jeroenberkenbosch7072]

just walk into a local heating panel store . you can see whats up . or not ! weird that one negative can kill 100 unsponsored reviews ! ah no , thats lazyness .

[@Martinko_Pcik]

Put big mirror on the opposite side.

[@willsmithorg]

Thank you, extremely useful.

[@nixonsmateruby1]

Remember, you need to make sure you have bought what you think you brought. There are two types and one is used in places like saunas and one underfloor. You have dodgy characters selling the cheaper version in a panel but for the sake of £5 extra they could sell you a "real" infrared" panel. I bought Termofol and it's 440w per m2 and it was £25 for a metre on eBay, and all I did was add a power source and fixed it to the wall and it worked. I haven't used my gas Central heating at all in 2022, and got my meter removed as I have electric tap and shower, so I was paying a standing charge for a meter I never used.

[@rokobabic8001]

That panel will heat only if you put it in a trash can and set it on fire. 😂

[@jeroenberkenbosch7072]

ah gas lover , let me guees "gazprom" ?

[@rokobabic8001]

@@jeroenberkenbosch7072 nope, wood 😏

[@jeroenberkenbosch7072]

@@rokobabic8001 enjoy the co2 , sweeping your chimney , and killing forrests again , if only one person no problem , but .......... millions doing it will not end the issues nature has ! acid rain , temperature rise and smog during summers !

[@sergion1406]

@@jeroenberkenbosch7072 1kw of green energy cost 1.2 of diesel one.

[@jeroenberkenbosch7072]

@@sergion1406 0,40 ct ............ per KW ! depending on provider and what they see as "green" . plus , many were smart to get a 3 year fixed rate .