Figuring out the Chakram - Strange but Effective!

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Well, I ain't no Xena... Nor a Sikh warrior. The chakram or chakkar is a unique weapon from India, a throwing quoit (sharpened metal ring). It is said to have been used with a rather exotic method, by spinning it around one's finger to build up momentum, then releasing it forward.
It can also be thrown like a sharp frisbee, or vertically like other throwing blades, which is a lot easier. This video is not about the historical background but rather the practical aspects of it. How difficult is it to use? How stable is it in flight? Will I cut myself with it? :)
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[@SavageGamer_]

“Hey Billy, catch the frisbee!” “...” “Billy?”

[@animatoraoi3672]

*heads get cut off*

[@leannihi6807]

Lmao

[@ricklu5887]

who else got the reference?

[@stevensnyder6966]

Invisible Billy's adventures

[@andrei1151]

Asdf!

[@R42PH]

I've got a theory about the whole "severed limbs" thing: an indian ancestor of Joerg Sprave managed to launch Chakrams at ludicrous speed thanks to contraptions made of bow limbs and wood.

[@DuskWolf224]

While laughing heartily and saying "Let me show you its features!"

[@cyng6734]

*"Indian ancestor of Joerdsparve"* Hahahahahahaha I'm died😂💀

[@iamconfused2930]

@Zar Doz I'm sorry man, google translate must have shit the bed. That translates to: "Show me your these features". Or roughly something like that.

[@anewman6495]

My theory is that there was a devided bloodline between Joerg and Adam

[@snorgonofborkkad]

That’s not how you use a colon. Learn how grammar works.

[@Bahnking]

Get yourself a disc golfer to throw that thing. They should be able to adjust their technique to avoid hand injury, while getting good power and accuracy on the ring. Its common to be able to throw a 170 gram disc 100 meters with a few years of practice (pros can reach 150-200 meters).

[@bean5629]

I was thinking the same thing, could work with backhands or sidearm throws(or even overhand for that matter). Rollers might be a bit ineffective :) Profile on that ring looks just like the profile on a distance driver.

[@jeremyb5321]

Same. I’ve often thought of milling a metal disc just to see.

[@aj-tf7xk]

I was also thinking an angled hammer throw, to get some gravity into it.

[@aj-tf7xk]

I've cut myself with slightly damaged frisbees that way

[@testermonkey2304]

hell i played a ton of ultimate frisbee and i could through a normal competition frisbee 100m and hit the person standing still in the end zone. Watching him throw that thing I was thinking the entire time. I could prolly whip that thing fast enough to go through that branch.

[@bbbbbbb51]

I just want to point out that your vertical throws will definitely *feel* stronger because the wood you're throwing it into's grain is going vertical as well.

[@hitrykzmotion3975]

Big brain

[@SassMuffinGaming]

In ultimate frisbee we call a vertical throw a hammer, because it is a stronger throw.

[@erikasakura7721]

Also that softwood test had the branch bend on impact so, with the reduced resistance it's much less likely to cut through.

[@derektimmons6495]

@@hitrykzmotion3975 that’s actually a thing though. Martial artists are taught to kick with the grain because it offers less resistance and doesn’t repel. Your more likely to experience less resistance. How much though is tough to say

[@CletusBoBetus]

@@derektimmons6495 true, but this is for show/practice. Here, we’re measuring the power of a weapon, so we don’t want variables changing. (I.E. the direction of the wood grain.

[@AviansEnthusiast]

"If it looks stupid and it works, it ain't stupid."

[@bigsepticc9948]

If breaking it works, don’t stop breaking it

[@corneliusmcmuffin3256]

If it’s stupid but it works it’s still stupid but it works

[@ecopis]

@Sagrotan I agree but this thing does some real damage. I dont know if padded armor is the righ king of armor to deal with this. Deffinitely cant cut throught iron or steel.

[@danagumm9215]

@Sagrotan So, since the waves of slaves were naked with no armor then it worked? Huh go figure.

[@rzr0015]

@Sagrotan "The only reason this thing ever existed is because the Indian rulers at the time sent quite literally waves of naked slaves at each other" I don't think anyone sends naked soldiers into battlefields. This is just like saying europian kings sent naked footsoldiers. Footsoldiers may have lower quality gear because they are expendable, it doesn't mean they are naked.

[@darthplagueis13]

Why does it seem like 70% of the weapons that are unique to indian history just were created following the rule of cool?

[@VilleKivinen]

If they were more effective than what others had, others would have copied it.

[@insomniacryan9916]

Ville Kivinen Good point, that.

[@itsyuboi3218]

Brain Strain the easiest option is more frequently the one adopted just like the crossbow

[@4shtia]

@Brain Strain So crossbows were more effective with less training and hence time?

[@AClockworkWizard]

@Brain Strain You just explained why longbows were less effective than crossbows.

[@monkeytime3169]

_Gets a knock at the door._ "Hey neighbour, our chakram landed in your yard. Can you get it out for us?"

[@scottmantooth8785]

*sorry that it's embedded in the side of someone's head, but no worries i'm sure the chakram suffered no damage and will wash off easy peasy*

[@jpizzleforizzle]

I think there were about 10 of these on my roof growing up.

[@Tristanalkemper]

Are we just going to collectively ignore the fact that this is just medieval Tron?

[@whitewolf3051]

What does that make Xena Warrior Princess? The chakram is practically her primary and only ranged weapon.

[@gustavopereira4924]

Lmao

[@gustavopereira4924]

And a long time ago, a simple cut would kill them too , like the programs

[@j.jimenez7545]

And here I thought tron disks were stupid weapons

[@whitewolf3051]

@@j.jimenez7545 Obviously not, since those in India used them. Not using Indians, because people will think American Indians instead of those from India.

[@yashbheda3335]

With this weapon in indian mythology , A general target area is the neck. That's why the index finger method is more common as it is closer to the neck level height I think . Also I've seen it being used on a horse back by warriors to make it more easy to access upper body . Generally people prefer calling it chakra , also famous as a trademark weapon for krishna a form of vishu of the holy Trinity in Hindu religion. It's also called sudarshan chakra when used by a god or vishnu chakra in a more coarse way. Fun side note : Chakram is a Sanskrit (ancient Indian language ) pronounciation , in modern Indian culture chakram means someone who has a thing missing in his head (a mad person but not in a bad way , a simple way to make fun of your friend kinda way ) .... Chakra means a circle in many indian languages hindi , sanskrit , gujarati etc .

[@sim.frischh9781]

Going for the neck seems logical, for one it´s hard to protect the neck without immobilizing the head. Also the enemy will, when he sees that flying at him, try to protect his face and turn the head, giving the thrower an opening for attacks with other weapons.

[@creepy_assassin6234]

'Chakram' is the word for 'wheel' in a few south Indian languages. (in mine at least, and I assume it's the same in similar languages of the neighboring states)

[@morganlumer]

You've seen it being used by a person on horseback?

[@Xaiff]

@@morganlumer maybe those dang mongolian horde again.

[@Xaiff]

@@creepy_assassin6234 Skall said "Chakar" if I didn't misheard. Does that term exist in your language?

[@ShadowForge762]

"Mom! The viking guy is killing trees with frisbees again!" "Shhh... Just ignore him sweetie."

[@justsatan6747]

"I don't want you to get influenced by HONEY NO!" 'NADIR PIER"

[@markocumic8287]

SoundOf1HandClapping this’d be the coolest neighbour if you were a kid tbh

[@divineorb8899]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@obscureoccultist9158]

@@markocumic8287 true though it would suck having to duck everytime you see danger plates flying

[@yaboi6681]

Bessie, get the shotgun! The neighbor’s doin’ it again

[@johnwallace2319]

Theory of a guy sitting here: They used a finger because it was much more sharp than yours, and while holding and releasing is possible without cutting yourself, in a fight, while your eyes are on someone else and hands are moving quickly, you would cut yourself, thus putting a finger in is not a huge risk. A small finger in a big loop, where the inside is not sharp is easy to do without looking. 2nd part of my theory: they used their whole bodies to throw, like a football or baseball, the spin of the finger was just to get it rotating, not so much for momentum, in one move you could go from putting it from one hand onto finger of the other, wind up the throw as you gave a spin, and then throw it forward but slightly over head, making sure to swing the momentum of the ring on the outside so as not to cut your neck, and then momentum swinging around the inside (as it is a loop), but now elevated over your head (like a low football throw or a baseball pitch). Thereby your body is safe, and you were able to throw it quickly, utilizing throwing technique as well as the advantage of a loop (as opposed to a discus). 3rd part of my theory: when picking the loop from one hand to the opposing finger, use your thumb to make sure it does not slide past your knuckle, only on the forward motion (that is the part over your head, when the loop is on the inside turn) do you remove your thumb and due to momentum, it won't fall past the knuckle nor will it need your finger to wrap around it, and when releasing, essentially point a straight finger (full hand point, a' la old statues/paintings of generals) at your target as you throw your entire arm forward in the baseball-esque throw. This comes from years of playing bean-bag dodgeball, Chinese style, am extremely loose bag of beads, where momentum of sack is key, as well as rapid fire is used by one player. Try this out with a plastic throwing disk/loop toy, get the hang of technique and let us know if after practice, this logical approach works.

[@baylego]

I kinda agree with the first one but, if it where so sharp you wouldn't want to wear it

[@mrsnezbit2219]

The finger it's like a slingshot swing, it's for keeping the weapon ready, it's not the spin that puts the power but the whole body when you shoot

[@ammboking]

They most likely used the fingertrhow, because you can throw that thing from a formation of soldiers. You wont endanger your comrades like you would with a frisbee throw. And you can do it from the second or even third line. Just spin it above your head

[@oscardavis9313]

baylego though you would presumably wear some kind of clothing, not to forget the fact that only the outer edges were sharp

[@randomsandwichian]

Lost you midway, but yes, I too believe it is as all martial arts are done, using the full range of body motion, especially mid fight. One other weapon that uses the full body motion to use and fight with is the rope dart; uses built up kinetic energy, projected from an arc, just with a built in return mechanism.

[@R0ckB3ast3]

Could be a lethal weapon if trained since childhood with muscle memory, force and accuracy to go along with it. But that goes for almost everything. If you're really proficient at thowing rocks, they can be lethal too.

[@atlanticsquib7232]

Yeah, I think that’s actually the weapons downfall. The amount of time and dedication to allow this to be a potentially dangerous weapon is just not practical

[@IAmInsideYourWalls-wm9ek]

I’d disagree, having used them it’s relatively easy to get a hang of throwing them accurately using the method of spinning it round your finger although I had someone teach me the proper technique (someone put the technique in one of the comments above if you want that). Gotta say it’s a pretty decent throwing weapon although not really ideal and I’d recommend parallel shuriken as opposed to these or decent throwing knives

[@ajarofmayonnaise3250]

@@IAmInsideYourWalls-wm9ek bruh chakras would do double damage of shurikens they were more of a distraction than a weapon of choice

[@IAmInsideYourWalls-wm9ek]

@@ajarofmayonnaise3250 standard ones yes but i believe parallels would do considerable damage, my original comment was sort of misleading tho as what I'm referring to as shuriken weren't actually called shuriken since they were just basic throwing spikes

[@ajarofmayonnaise3250]

@@IAmInsideYourWalls-wm9ek what do you mean by the parallel ones I don’t understand pls Explain

[@UngodlyFreak]

Your accuracy sucked because you didn't do the Xena battle cry as you threw it

[@borimirtheboring]

Came here for Xena references. Not disappointed.

[@Riceball01]

I was going to say the same thing. If he had used the Xena battle cry then he could have bounced it off of things to hit his target.

[@danielschmidtke9213]

Well, he also wasn't wearing a leather miniskirt, so that might have had something to do with it.

[@TheLostArchangel666]

@Hans Hanzo Yes.

[@J2FINE1]

well xena was a fukkin beast

[@BlizzardWizard99]

I have a theory why the branches didn’t cut, is because the branches had to much give and bent and moved from the impact. If you hit someone’s leg or upper arm there is less give than a branch. Edit: It probably wouldn’t sever the limb, but still do more damage than it did to the tree branches.

[@Ezekiel_Allium]

I definitely agree, but i still doubt it would sever limbs, it would at the deepest stop at the bone

[@pretty-dusty]

I disagree, I think muscle and flesh would HUGELY dampen the blow by the time it cuts to the bone.

[@BIkaloss]

@@Ezekiel_Allium Perhaps the bigger sized ones thrown by a really strong dude could.

[@Ezekiel_Allium]

@@BIkaloss throwing something hard enough to go through limb bones would be an amazing feat. I'm not gonna say its impossible, but you would have to be amazing strong while also being well trained enough to hit a moving target. The chakrams are going to lose a lot of energy both in flight, and as they cut through the meat, with the meat and tendons acting as cushioning and lowering the speed before it ever hits the bone. So you'd have to be strong enough to compensate for all of that

[@-Devy-]

I mean, that was literally the entire point of him throwing at the branches. To see if it could retain enough energy against something that had more give.

[@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight]

If a chakram glows with neon lights, you have a Tron identity disk.

[@snorgonofborkkad]

Did you just figure that out?

[@samueltheblonde]

Hah!

[@williammann7457]

If you throw 5 in a row you have light discs

[@notgray88]

or a terraria weapon

[@Aries_Luck]

Do people get derezzed from getting hit by it?

[@zienwolf]

I've read in a weapons history book that a small wooden rod was used to throw these things. Gives you more power and control. Also you're using a backhand to throw parallel to the ground. Throwing forehand, with your hand on top of the curve will give you more power because you can put the force of your torso, arm, and wrist in it simultaneously.

[@allanroberts7129]

That throw is often times referred to as a 'flick' and, with all do respect, you aren't doing it at all. Pretend you're holding a whip that you just spun over your head. Continue that wide arm motion from your shoulder all the way down to your index finger. Point at the target as it leaves your finger. Upon release, your arm should be dead still without any remaining momentum. I played ultimate frisbee, and the flick is preferred by almost everyone who learns it. It tends to be faster and more accurate than spinning your whole body like a Ferris wheel and releasing once you finally start building up speed. Ideally, every last ounce of energy gets injected into the disk. I know a person (star of the Frisbee team) who can throw a Frisbee fast enough for it to create a buzzing sound as it flies. At full speed, even moderately beefy frisbees explode when they hit a wall. Again, the motion requires an investment in energy from your entire body in the same manor that a whip works. Just like the sound of a whip cracking, you'll know when you got it. Also, don't spin it multiple times on your finger when practicing. It should make almost a full revolution, but no more. Not until you can casually snap it and hit the mark every single time.

[@spaceblockb5284]

thank you, i was thinking he should do it like a frisbee flick.

[@hagenjohnson8454]

Dude was seriously killing me spinning it the wrong way. Hopefully he tries again the right way. I flick far more than I backhand because i get more power out of it.

[@Tigerstarblade11]

Yeeeeaaa get this guy to throw one lol

[@stresselemental]

I don't understand your whip comparison. Cracking a whip (bull whip, Stockwell, snake whips even) don't require your whole body at all. The only reason cracking a whip would require your full body would be for a very long whip. To crack a bull whip it only requires the energy to swing it to that the whip is in tension (not much at all) and can easily be done with just your elbow.

[@spaceblockb5284]

@@stresselemental a proper whip for whipping people requires your full body, so just pretend your whipping some people.

[@zacjohnson9076]

My theory on the "severing limbs" is that he was talking about a much heavier or larger blade. Still seems far fetched, but more believable.

[@michaelgimenez4032]

What you didnt know that the first Chakrams were forged of depleted uranium? Read a book once in a while mate 😉

[@zacjohnson9076]

@@michaelgimenez4032 How could I be so blind, it's obvious!

[@noahcaelum6796]

What they would do to cut limbs or heads is not throw them. They would have a double bladed chakras with a cloth wrap on part of it and the would quite literally hook it around someone’s neck or armpit and wrench until it tore through.

[@noahcaelum6796]

Thrown weapons are by their nature unreliable. Imagine throwing a shuriken. It’s hard to hit a stationary target, much less a moving target. And in combat samurai used shuriken more for a surprise attack or as a last resort to guard something.

[@voodoodummie]

maybe these chakrams were the sidearms of these weapons, and in reality they were just hula hoop dancers of death.

[@Drutgaami]

This was used by hardcore sikh warriors trained in "Gatka" form of martial arts. It was never used as a primary weapon, and was used by warriors riding on elephants, or sometimes horses too. It was used effectively for injuring at long distances rather than killing the victim. And it came in various sizes, and a lot depended on the training of the person using it. It's just like many other weapons of that time....to be effective with this, you needed lot of training.

[@rollingthunder1043]

So basically it's Indian Shuriken! For those who don't know, a shuriken was used - by both samurai and ninja - as a tool of annoyance and distraction, NOT a killing weapon. There are only maybe 2 or 3 spots on the human body that a shuriken hit stands any chance of being fatal, and those are A) fantastically hard to hit in a lethal way, and B) usually armoured; the eye, throat and in theory the heart - though good luck getting most shuriken to penetrate deep enough to even hit the heart. Shuriken were thrown to distract and annoy the enemy - a ninja star to the cheek or leg or arm would hurt like hell, especially if you weren't expecting it - to allow the thrower to either escape, play mind games with the enemy (many feudal Japanese were superstitious enough that if they felt a sudden pain in their arm and suddenly realized they were bleeding, but had never seen a swordsman strike the blow, they would attribute it to a ghost, which would badly mess with their head) or follow up with a more lethal strike in close quarters.

[@douglasdea637]

@@rollingthunder1043 So.... a ring shaped pommel!

[@kulgan18]

That actually makes a lot of sense, considering from an Elephant the weapon would have been a lot more effective shooting downward.

[@andrewparker5096]

I've noticed that the exotic nature of many, not all, ancient Eastern weapons (Indian and Japanese mostly but a lot of Southeast Asian too) comes from how they viewed their weapons e.g. the kris is wavy because it was a status symbol regardless of whether or not it actually improved the weapon. There are several Indian weapons like the pata and the chakra that in retrospect don't make any sense. Why throw a wobbly sharpened disc at an enemy that has a buckler/mail (or a tree branch apparently) or use a long stiff blade gauntlet for gymnastic cutting. It all probably comes down to how they viewed weapons in their culture.

[@Drutgaami]

@ Andrew Parker- Yes it was status symbol too....only elite warriors, trained in "Gatka" would carry it. It was a holy form of martial arts for the Sikhs....and till date...not everyone can learn it.

[@Dther99]

Chakram: *exists* Ultimate Frisbee Players: My time has come.

[@jasongarfitt1147]

Yeah we need one of those ultimate Frisbee players to try this

[@vinnie666]

wonder how well i could arc that thing....

[@jsizzle7311]

Or even better, disc golf pros. Let's see garret gurthie or eagle McMahon or Simon lizotte throw this thing

[@frankvillas2317]

@@jsizzle7311 do you think it's understandable or overstable?

[@jsizzle7311]

@@frankvillas2317 I'd imagine overstable assuming the weight is higher than any production driver.

[@hoggarththewisesmeagol8362]

There’s a video somewhere of a Sikh martial artist throwing these. He was throwing them horizontally and rapidly. The power of his throws could cut thighs and arms to the bone

[@ilyaakadishtungha7337]

Think it was from Deadliest Warrior, the Rajput episode. Either that or some other documentary where they went to one of the last remaining masters of Sikh martial arts for a demonstration. I remember that video, dude managed to cut cleanly through a bunch of sugar canes tied together!

[@brianrauch2770]

@@ilyaakadishtungha7337 it is from deadliest warrior love that show

[@nicholasgeere5125]

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[@wolfgangzeiler2605]

Cutting through sugarcane is not comparable to cutting bone, covered by flesh and perhaps cloth. The effectiveness of the weapon is clearly exaggarated by the source. A bit similar to Vegetius writing about sling projectiles embedded in flesh, making internet warriors think slings were deadly penetrating weapons of doom. Nevertheless, the chakram is an intriguing piece of steel which I really like. I made myself some crude stuff following similar principles a long time ago, for me the vertical throw was the best method for power and accuracy. The horizontal throw however would be a good choice if there were a bunch of people standing together.

[@hoggarththewisesmeagol8362]

Wolfgang Zeiler But why is sugarcane not comparable to flesh and bone? The Sikh masters thought so

[@PhantomSavage]

I think the claim they can severe limbs is only half nonsense... I don't think it would actually cut all the way through bone AND muscle tissue like that, it doesn't have enough speed or heft to it to achieve it, but I do think when expertly thrown by someone extremely proficent in the weapon, it could bury itself maybe half-through a bone in your arm or leg, and given the state of medicine at the time I'm sure many people that were hit with these probably had to have amputations after battle to stop the severe bleeding. If you see a group of warriors with dressed, amputated limbs and you see that weird death frisbee thing with all that blood on it, you're going to assume that thing probably just cut clean through on the first hit. There were probably rare exceptions to this, with lucky direct hits to thinner and more fragile areas, like wrists, ankles, and probably the base of the neck from behind, but in general I think these things were just nasty throwing weapons. The real effectiveness I think, however, didn't come from the weapons sharpness or weird shape, but from the fact you had maybe a whole row of guys throwing a ton of these in a volley, all going fast enough and hard enough and with enough accuracy to do some real damage and cause some real fear. An average warrior probably wouldn't be very afraid of one or two of these, even in the hands of an expert, but I can definitely see where facing down an entire barrage of death frisbees thrown by dudes with massive arm muscles would be quite formidable.

[@catsdragon7478]

Yeah, i can definitely see what your explaining. That would be very intimidating😮

[@tx7140]

I think it's a stretch to make any claims on the efficacy of a weapon when you're literally using a random thing you bought on ebay and not an historical reproduction. I think that it's incredibly likely that the chakram used in medieval times was likely a lot heavier and thicker, which would also explain why the throwing technique relied more on guiding its momentum than powering the throw mainly through body mechanics. Either way, it's not at all wise to make assumptions from someone who's a) not trained to use the weapon in question and b) not using a weapon which is necessarily historical.

[@emilior934]

I can definitely picture a 3ft/1M diameter chakram used in a wall of death type of battle. Cutting people in half and what not. Like krillins technique from dragon ball z.

[@Azelai777]

Aim for the throat

[@dasgoofinhiemer5039]

a plastic disc golf driver less than 180 grams in weight can open you up if bone is close enough to skin, break bones in worst case. By trained arm a chakram will most certainly severe an un armored arm, but I think the ability to rapid fire them was their greatest attribute.

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

Seeing this weapon, I'd be more afraid of cutting my own fingers off more than anything

[@calus_bath_water]

Could you stop being everywhere dude?

[@FoieGras4u]

Just Some Guy without a Mustache Spamming comments doesn’t make you special, it makes you look like you don’t get off your fat ass

[@lws7142]

Please leave you Justin Y wannabe

[@itsyaboychipsahoy.7989]

@@FoieGras4u This is quarantine. Are you saying you're different?

[@andregon4366]

People have 10 on average, 2 or 3 less fingers wouldn't make much of a difference. Why would you want all those fingers for anyway?

[@architectofheaven]

I've always associated the chakram with Lord Krishna, who was an avatar of Vishnu, and holds the Sudarshana Chakra. And as I recall, in some depictions, he holds a rod or stick on which the chakram spins. (Did you try that rather than a finger?) Sudarshana Chakra was one of the divine weapons that were capable of destroying the entire universe. So be careful. ; )

[@EphemeralTao]

It's the same principle as an atl-atl or sling, extra force produced by extra leverage. The historical versions were likely somewhat larger and heavier, and using a rod of some sort to spin and launch them would add considerable extra leverage and give enough force to break ribs at a distance.

[@jamta69]

Its the pinky finger

[@beepbeepgamer1305]

he uses his finger, he never really quite used the chakram actually but there was this occasion that a official in the government during his times committed upto 100 sins but his mother is a devotee of vishnu, so she asked forgiveness for her son and he did forgive him. But he then again committed another sin in front of krishna himself by insulting him thus krishna using his chakram to cut the head of shisupala [the guy who committed the sins] for his 101th sin. And it is that that this ancient weapon wields the power to destroy the universe according to the epics. But really a great concept and practical use too from my opinion.

[@fnkvx]

Imagine robbing someone and they pull out the hula hoops

[@syariefdirgantara7670]

Finger hula hoops that can cut clean a limb from 30 yards 😁

[@barnykirashi]

Why did you try robbing the youngest daughter of Ixaocan's emperor?

[@justastrider3252]

The forbidden hula hoop

[@williamstoneman6977]

@@justastrider3252 or the hula hoop of doom

[@russwhite3952]

was this filmed in someones parents basement

[@andytpatt]

My brother is insane at generating power with a horizontal throw, his whole core is engaged and it's accurate. Tried teaching me and I couldn't comprehend how his body does what he does...training is definitely key

[@syariefdirgantara7670]

Your brother must be an ardent devotee or disciple of Shri Khrisna wielding Sudharsana Chakra.

[@sebacoustic]

@@syariefdirgantara7670 either that or he plays a lot of ultimate frisbee

[@kingofpotato9]

Brother simp

[@tomothybahamothy]

@@kingofpotato9 haha

[@luissimon9004]

chakram? you mean angry donut

[@Skallagrim]

Hah, that's good.

[@RikthDcruze]

more like donut of death

[@TechSupportDave]

@@RikthDcruze hoola hoop of pain.

[@cherryblitz4790]

Donut of destruction

[@alanwatts8239]

Fingerdrop spinner

[@lenaoxton8540]

"Frisbee golfers are the least harmful people on earth" This video: hold my beer.

[@kayEnt3rtainm3nt]

There's a term I've never heard before.

[@thomasmarston8232]

Lowkey apocalypse prep by hobby 😏

[@greenman5255]

Skallagrim Princess Warrior.

[@jbertucci]

And he's a lesbian too, LOL

[@blackpowderkun]

The amputation capacity mentioned may be a lost in translation thing. Like people who got hit by it on the limbs may have required amputation after the battle. Is that chakram historically accurate? I've always thought it may be made from heavier metals or Woots steel.

[@scouttyra]

I had a similar thought, maybe it had capacity to cut to the bone, add some layers of storytellers and some dramatic flair and you have a weapon that can take someone's limbs off.

[@IPostSwords]

I've seen antiques made with pattern welded steel, but no antiques made of crucible steel. But some may have been made.

[@jonnybgoode7742]

@sid viciouss sounds more dangerous to the user than the intended target 😂😂

[@Redicule_research._ridiculous]

Or they let the thing spin fast, the buzzsaw effrct might do the trick Notice that his throwing makes the thing wobbly, which minigates the buzzsaw effect

[@snoweefrost4412]

I doubt any injury by this would demand amputation. Amputation was done due to a large amount of bone fragmentation or an infection. This strikes me as a soft tissue weapon/curiosity with little practicality much like a Lantern Shield or Small Sword.

[@anubis8181]

Just watch Xena Warrior Princess it's totally historically accurate I swear.

[@blackfootplays8432]

Bro my fingers are tingly pls stop

[@arthurbenedetti9146]

duh, her cleavage is the strongest part of her armor, making the enemy stunned for abou 5-10 seconds. Its not only historicaly accurate as it is revolutionary

[@TheMorriganAensland]

@@arthurbenedetti9146 I mean...if most fighters at the time were men, chances are most of them WOULD be at least a little distracted and greatly underestimate her. Doubly so if her outfits showed off more skin than most women at the time. Which is actually a rather good psychological advantage. I mean...table skirts were invented because men were thought to be such uncontrollable beings of lust, that the sight of a bare table leg, would drive them into a frenzy of lust. As in they'd start humping the table leg. Though another thing to note is most of her fights were fairly close quarters. More of skirmishes than actual fighting in true battles or war with large numbers.

[@Juanderful1]

I was 13 when Xena came out I watched her a lot....

[@littlebear1520]

I am intrigued as a blacksmith to make one of those and I figured out how to make them out of a circular saw blade and with a mixture of forgingI have not put it to work yet because of the situation with coronavirus they put a statewide burning ban on where I am do you know if it's made out of hardened steel or if it's made out of a softer steel it must be pretty malleable to have a sharp edge you cannot break

[@bon7029]

Janissaries: We like killing people and playing frisbee. Blacksmith: I got just the thing for you.

[@Cassian2506]

Consider this: if you are accurate enough to hit an enemy's neck with this you really don't need much force to fuck up his day

[@pubcle]

That's assuming that the enemy doesn't react at all and there's nothing protecting the throat. Sure, if you're incredibly good with a throwing knife, you *could* potentially do serious damage with it, but there was a reason throwing knives were never seriously considered a military weapon, usually throwing a knife would be a resort if someone was at range and you needed injury or distraction without having better means immediately available. I'd theoretically state, as I've never held a Chakram, that this is worse than that because its relatively wide, making it easier to block and spot, has a slower moving design that while having a longer distance also makes it much more reactable. Now if the claim some others have made is correct that it was primarily for mounted troops that has some more benefits as a sort of ranged side arm so to say. Still not an immensely effective weapon, but has a suitable use.

[@MatheusVenti]

@@pubcle Another obvious disadvantage of a throwable weapon is that if it misses or if it is blocked you lose it. And even a throwing knife have a lot of uses besides throwing. So the Chakram is a really limited weapon indeed.

[@zeppie_]

@@MatheusVenti not just that, you’re quite literally handing your weapon over to your opponent

[@Rhyolite-hyena]

@@zeppie_ Its not a main. You throw then follow up with the melee

[@perforatededge1053]

Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning featured Chakram. They were depicted inaccurately and relied on magic to fly back to the wielder but were some of the most fun I've had with a mid-ranged weapon in an RPG.

[@Edwardin1989]

I loved that game. I wish they would remaster/remake it. It's like dragon's dogma where you change classes.

[@perforatededge1053]

@@Edwardin1989 THQ Nordic now owns the rights so there is hope for a remaster/remake. I would love a full contiuation.

[@Tengokuchi]

They were a fun weapon to use. I liked that game but it felt like it wanted to be an MMO.

[@smward87]

​@@Tengokuchi Yeah because it was meant to be the introduction to the world and the follow up game was going to be an MMO using the same combat system. You know before all the legal issues happened and caused it to all go away.

[@jakebatty530]

Man I fucking miss that game, the combat was unbelievably satisfying, would straight up buy a remaster

[@UKSoundDesigner]

The fascinating thing for me isn't the slice, but what happens after the impact. Vertically, it sticks in, okay, but horizontally, after it hits, the rest of the hoop bends up and down, opening up the wound further with a lever action. Look what it does to the leather sheets at 10:15. I think with a bit more weight, and a razor edge, this would be horrible to get hit by.

[@TheOpalHammer]

That might have something more to do with the grain of the wood...

[@DaggerSecurity]

Good points. Also, he should consider buying a pig carcass from his local butcher and using it for a more lifelike target test. It would be much cheaper than a DIY or commercial ballistic dummy

[@baddgerpaw]

@@DaggerSecurity I think Skalagrim has talked about that and he's not a fan of the idea, I think it's because hes vegetarian so he doesn't wanna use animal corpses. I might be wrong

[@ProjectMaelstrom]

@@HessianLikeTheFabric technically the pig skin is the most similar to human one . However you can always have some Ballistic gel with enplaced bones for the maximum accuracy.

[@CorruptPianist]

Hey, if an ancient warrior says he was lopping limbs off with that thing, I'm not gonna doubt him just because a researcher couldn't cut wood with it.

[@patrickreynolds5463]

I am sure that we would all suck shooting something accurately at 350 yards with the bow and arrow without proper training and it might seem impossible, but I wouldn't doubt that an English longbowman could be effective...

[@albussd]

@@GimmickBox39 Skeleton contorted because of the use of bow? I don't understand. Could you pls explain?

[@russiancheems2275]

Dam that researcher was a weak lil b!tch weren’t they

[@josephperoutka8158]

@@albussd their skeletal profile was asymmetric because of how much they used the bow. They practiced so much that certain bones thickened up to reinforce areas of high stress (forearms, etc).

[@Knifykat]

funny thing about archers and longbowmen is that they were usually large and quite strong, it is not easy in any way to pull back a longbow, so i could see how it would twist your skeleton just funny how in media the archer is always small and nimble but that is just unrealistic

[@mennorach]

My first thought on the "severing limbs" is that you might not have enough mass in your projectile. A chakra might be made hollow and filled with lead to keep the size, while drastically increasing the weight. A weapon like that could very well be made from a sheet of metal.

[@TheOpalHammer]

I feel like that would make a already complicated task of forging into a herculean task. I find it more likely that they just make them larger and thicker.

[@DANGVINH17]

My first thought is i should unscrew my pommel and throw it! It's easier and more effective than this.

[@AdamCeladin]

Fantastic Video Skall !!! You figure it out that finger spinning technique much better than i did! Great work :) I think over hand and under hand techniques work it as well mainly for a longer distances

[@Assdafflabaff]

Hah good to see you here, I was just about to post a comment to come watch your video on Chakrams. You were doing some awesome throws.

[@crenfick7750]

Your video convinced me how terrifying this weapon is on the battlefield.

[@lookabovelookbelow]

The legend himself! Hope your mending OK. Respect from the uk 🇬🇧👌

[@jareth7456]

Adam your video on this really showed the potential of this weapon and as cool as it was only touched on its combative use ,so I'm getting a set and then I'll do a video on other aspects of this weapon. I believe it was very versatile and effective for it to have been in use for so long and hopefully I will do it justice.

[@soupxv213]

It’s been awhile since I’ve seen your videos (I’m sorry) but while watching this video I found myself wondering if you had done one on this particular blade, but I remembered that you commented on another video I watched awhile ago and hoped to see you here, and I am glad to have found you again!!

[@freestatefellow]

Skall - Two points related to disc golfing 1. Check out driving techniques. IIRC, backhand drives move in as straight a line as possible to give you a consistent accurate release. Forehand drives could work off horseback. Hammer throws could work in a more packed environment where you don't have the side-to-side room to wind up. 2. Disc golf baskets are about torso sized, and with a bit of practice, casual golfers can hit those from 5-10 yards with decent consistency. Not exactly equivalent, but still a decent indicator of potential accuracy.

[@lincolnpetersen6229]

Yeah he should hit up his local ultimate frisbee club and he should get someone that would have way more power and accuracy then he could achieve in the short term.

[@onlyashadow1121]

Frisbee golf*

[@lincolnpetersen6229]

@@onlyashadow1121 I mean ultimate guys will know frisbee disc golf guys too.

[@delphidelion]

@@lincolnpetersen6229 Hate to be the pedant here, but frisbee is a brand name. It's just disc.

[@D4rkTooga]

3.- Use weed, perfect trips and throws.

[@sudharsanvenkatesan7540]

I noticed that when you use your finger to spin it, you go in the clockwise direction (looking from the top). From what Ive seen with actual chakra throwers and my own experience with hollowed out frisbees, it works a lot better to go in the counter-clockwise direction (if youre right handed of course). You can also generate more force without worrying about wrecking yourself.

[@thatguy5]

I just commented the same thing

[@MadHerbertPotts]

It isn’t just me then? Cool. Thank you

[@Gilthwixt1]

When you're tired of tanking so you swap from Dark Knight to Dancer in FFXIV

[@ShoweringSun]

Have tried ninja fuma shuriken 😂

[@AP2brolic]

Nobody knows what this means

[@MrMasterBoop]

@@AP2brolic clearly lots of people knows what he means.

[@AP2brolic]

@@MrMasterBoop what is FFXIV

[@AP2brolic]

@@MrMasterBoop is it a wow clone

[@GraubartDerErste]

2:02 - "You see those warriors from Hammerfell? They've got curved swords. Curved. Swords.

[@Narutorz]

ᏒᏋፈᏂᏖᏕᎷᏗᏁᏁ I hate that I know exactly what you’re referencing

[@ConnorSinclairCavin]

As one of my favorite weapons both to use and make i can confirm that if the weapon is made correctly as well as if you are practiced it can cut clean through multiple bones, branches, young trees... your wall of the garage after already going through a ski rack... The one you seemed to have gotten appears to be made with too little mass and too soft a metal Correctly made versions have a wide enough body that you can grip from the inside or have a safe zone to hold onto The rotational energy is far more important and influential than the forward momentum for the damage it inflicts, it is basically a flying exacto disk, spin to win boys, spin to win As for the melee use versions they are normally the larger sizes (sort of sword+shield in one) or the smallest sizes (punch blades) Your weapon appears to be rather dinged up in its flatness which really messes up the flight Yes, it is hard as heck to properly make one. An obsidian micro edged version of this or gold microedged version would be about as scary a projectile as can be thrown

[@ConnorSinclairCavin]

rum agent it felt like it seeing it too, sadly my chakram was taken by a friend’s older brother when they moved (still pissed about that actually) but if i get/make a new one i will, if thrown right and made right they can go through nearly anything

[@hideousruin]

Bullshit. Maybe some chicken bones. One of those things ain't even going to go through a human finger bone.

[@ConnorSinclairCavin]

@@hideousruin sorry, didnt see your reply. The ones he has would probably lop fingers or hand bones at best if thrown perfectly, however the ones i had were actually made for combat and had more heft to them while maintaining a very fine edge. Also its not nearly as hard to cleave bone as people seem to think, although the spinning nature of the chakram edge really makes it more likely to work (its kind of like someone doing a sliding draw cut with a katana instead of a flat impact with a longsword, or like a rotational saw)

[@jayahir9359]

@@hideousruin boy watch some real well trained warriors use it.

[@jasdanvm3845]

The Obsidian one would be terrifying. But it's sharpness would only survive one flight sadly.

[@jordanbwalt]

From my understanding, a chakram is best held, for melee, by cupping the blade on the opposing end that you'd expect, pinched between the thumb and forefingers/palm, in the webbing of your thumb itself. They're also most frequently thrown with a forehand grip (the blade hanging toward the back of your hand and pointed away from the body. When starting the throw, your palm will be facing toward your target). Thus, you can pinch the blade from the outside, via index and thumb, with the index pressed against the innermost part of the blade, running in parallel to it. Using this forehand frisbee throw, you can generate incredible spin and power with the slingshot effect of the finger, without having to worry about your finger/hand getting in the way, as well as being able to generate greater rotational speed using the whole body and an outstretched arm.

[@GreatSageSunWukong]

When I've seen Sikh demonstrations they throw it differently to you, rather than having the arm across their body and releasing it as their arm returns to the side that arm is located, they do the opposite, pulling the arm back and releasing the disc as their arm crosses the body. If you get what I mean and they kind of stoop a bit I think thats to make sure the arm remains level during the throw. Don't know if it would work better like that it certainly has less wobble when they do it.

[@Manigrio]

you mean the Sikh throw it like skipping a rock on the water, while Skallagrim throws it like a frisbee right?

[@GreatSageSunWukong]

Gurr yes exactly, wish I'd thought of that at the time of writing

[@zkeletonz001]

That can generally called be a "sidearm" throw.

[@alexsolosm]

That sounds similar to how people throw discus in track and field events.

[@mmuffin97]

Yea I have seen the traditional way that this weapon is being used, he's not doing his homework well

[@bulldog71ss33]

As a Disc Golfer, the physics and effectiveness of this weapon makes perfect sense to me. I bet I could chuck the shit out of that thing and it would be extremely dangerous at a good distance.

[@rivahoukes1554]

When the zombie apocalypse comes grab some saw table blades and frisbee them like a dangerous park goer

[@danielschwagler6229]

totally agree....his footwork is painful as it would be with new disc golfers...that would dramatically improve his throw.

[@bulldog71ss33]

@@danielschwagler6229 Footwork, arm snap, and follow-through are key.

[@TheThylacinus]

I immediately thought of Silat from the Berserk manga series.

[@Remington-wl7jp]

Poor guy mastered so many unique weapons just to get blown the fuck out by Guts' big hunk of metal.

[@edvard8449]

YES.

[@NOU-iw3gb]

Yeah the kushan people

[@erxan4163]

@⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻ i dont this reference , please explain , enlighten me with your wiseness

[@RikthDcruze]

@⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻ Her name is Casca... which Indian girl has a name like that? NONE. maybe she is an African.

[@louisvictor3473]

You can definitely use the cut from a sheet method to get the shape you want. You just cut it from a sheet as thick as the inside, and grind it to shape. Not recommended with historical metal, but works well with modern homogeneous steels. The inner material isn't really wasted as you can cut smaller diameters ones from it too. You probably would cut it from smallest to largest though.

[@RikthDcruze]

That's why Indian warriors used it. With the coming of full body armour most of Indian subcontinent stopped using it. But the Sikh warriors kept it alive. Once use of guns were in full swing, People stopped using metal armour and Sikh soldiers again started to use it with greater effect than ever.

[@stormcat2330]

Vertical throw: more power/force Mystical spinning finger throw: more slice

[@ericthered2963]

Folding it up and throw it like a pommel: more blunt trauma

[@mikked01]

Also the morally correct way to end him.

[@boris_bulletdodger9109]

I remember that kind of weapons in manga “Berserk”!

[@dadrising6464]

Ah, a man of culture

[@plastic_love_]

i clicked the video because that reminded me of silat ....but he seems doesnt talk about berserk anyway haha

[@lordot8665]

I was looking for this comment

[@theJustin_A]

@@plastic_love_ silat??

[@ARQP000]

@@theJustin_A Silat from Berserk. He's an assassin character from that manga.

[@aidanwarren4980]

Talks about the usefulness of the aerofoil shape. Proceeds to throw it vertically, making the aerofoil worse than useless.

[@ikitclaw7146]

lol and the fact this flys so slow when you throw it so the aerofoil works, you could deflect it with a sword easily if its thrown from any decent range and with shield itd be childs play, arrows are way more effective and u can carry more, fire them further.

[@PlatoonGoon]

@@ikitclaw7146 These aren't useful in singles, but when there are a dozen or more you won't be able to deflect it. Think of it as swatting a frisbee, when it's one it's easy but as you add more and more you can't possibly block them all. Or most of them really. All that being said, this was meant to protect their heads from swords by placing rigid rings around cloth turbans. You act like everyone could pick up a 5.56 back then

[@ikitclaw7146]

@@PlatoonGoon why would they have 5.56? arrows are fired from bows.. lol

[@Neion8]

@@ikitclaw7146 True, but I imagine this might be an equivalent to the Roman Pillum; semi-close quarters ranged weapons that every role could use and you throw before engaging to give you an advantage or throw while retreating to slow their chasing - given that it's something that most everyone could wear and no one would want to risk taking one of these to an unprotected area. After all, you don't need to have max range - just more than your enemy to have an advantage. The fact that they also provide suplimental armour against slashes (and make grappeling a chakrum user a really dumb idea) when not used is just a bonus given that their shape allows them to be worn like deadly jewelery.

[@ikitclaw7146]

@@Neion8 yeh i can see that happening, it would have some fear effect seeing all those coming at you but id be far more scared of the pilum lol pointed sticks ftw!

[@thedoomofred5174]

Ahh I see it suffers from the golfer’s bane, the random tree branch.

[@dreadthemadsmith]

It works best if you scream "Aieaieaieaieeeeya!" before throwing it. Makes it bounce around the room and come back to you.

[@logicandreason3812]

I would guess weight,training and craftsmanship has a lot to do with their effectiveness. Cutting off a arm may be exagerrated, but I wouldn't expect a untrained novice with an ebay version doing well... Sorry Skall. Lots of love :)

[@Aodhan_Raith]

Maybe they trap an arm or something, and use another implement to sever limbs.

[@heinzerbrew]

Nope, a deformed random blade that doesn't look sharp and may or may not have the same physical characteristics as an authentic version, can be used by an unskilled person without the correct muscle groups strengthed, to prove the validity of a weapon tech.

[@tiamat9360]

These is a (Chinese I think) martial arts weapon that’s a disk with blades on it and a handle with a guard on it so a caught blade wouldn’t remove your fingers. I’m not sure of the name it’s like wheels of fire and wind or something

[@Aodhan_Raith]

@@tiamat9360 Are you thinking of deer horn knives?

[@darken2417]

I agree particularly because the cutting of limbs may have been in using the weapon in melee not in throwing.

[@Mani-tg4kq]

this is definitely an underrated throwing weapon against unarmored targets. imagine a whole formation showering 3-4 chakrams per 10 seconds per soldier before charging in! the massive cutting area makes it very difficult to dodge when thrown in mass, it can fly up to 100 meters, and it can create nasty deep cuts to your opponents before you rush in!

[@rockyblacksmith]

On the question of how they're made: there is another alternative in order to forge a seamless ring; You take a small block of metal, punch a hole through the center, and slowly widen it until you get a ring.

[@FieryCoal]

rockyblacksmith good luck with that, you’ll be stretching it for hours, much easier to blacksmith the bar into a circle, and that ain’t easy

[@Bryan_Kay]

Flat ring disc Form press disc into bowel Solder (with lead) newly formed concave face of ring Shape and sharpen. Note solder should not extend beyond outer circumference of ring; IE the cutting edge portion.

[@FieryCoal]

Bryan Kay would it possibly be better to TIG weld instead of solder? I feel like there would be a higher chance of snapping if it was not welded with steel, not to mention I believe it would be able to weld all the way down to the blade to be grinded down and sharpened later edit( MIG too)

[@Bryan_Kay]

@@FieryCoal anything is possible more time grinding at the end but the edge would hold better if there was a bead around the outer circumference using that method.

[@FieryCoal]

Bryan Kay ah, I see

[@arfink]

I suspect that they actually would have cut these from a single sheet, the differing sizes probably all get cut concentrically, and then profiled afterwards with grinding.

[@edwardstables5153]

But was sheet metal of large enough size available when these were historically made? Not saying you're wrong, I'd just imagine that it would be easier to shape a bar with historic tools.

[@SunfishFan68]

edward stables I mean yeah, look at gongs, they are more or less flat metal dishes that have been made for centuries

[@DPS31762]

That's not a bad idea, but I'd think that with modern metalworking methods, the easiest way to make one would be to use a mold and then finish the edges.

[@DudokX]

"In a time of ancient gods... AYYYAAAAAAYAAAAAA!!!"

[@alexanderrdevoogt3235]

Xena warrior princess 👍🏻😃

[@TheJoker137]

Warlords, and Kings...

[@erosrangel976]

Dudok22 AWAKEN, MY MASTERS!!

[@idontwanttoputmyname403]

@@erosrangel976 I was thinking the same...

[@VJK102]

Who could listen to the ayayaya while reading it? XD

[@ninavale.]

You know you're 90's kid when you look at the thumbnail and you see Lucy Lawless as Xena: The Warrior Princess

[@iamblue9976]

Nah l was born in 2004 and saw xena on tv when l was younger

[@jezzmaninjapan]

Hayayayayayayayayayayah !!!!

[@Andrew-it7fb]

My first thought was he would have been better if he had yelled properly when throwing it.

[@MSMcKenzieJr]

This weapon was often whirled with force into the enemy when charging into battle. The Akali Nihangs (Imortal Warriors) are the ones with the skill to use these.

[@keyboardking8008]

the immortals died when the enemy threw the chakram back ?

[@childrenofcod5866]

@@keyboardking8008 they laughed when the enemy cut their hands trying to throw them back without training

[@chaosvolt]

For Skall to easier visualize the physics at work: air goes swoosh over one surface, and goes swoooosh over the other. Uneven swooshening means it falls in slow motion.

[@Stroopwafe1]

Thank you for this

[@morrisdeclercq9008]

Peasants: chakram Me, an intellectual: death frisbee

[@RC-8107]

Damn, beat me to the punch

[@unfortunateson33]

Me, a degenerate: sharp hoola hoop

[@joaonunes7783]

Fun Frisbee

[@obscureoccultist9158]

Me, an ignoramus: Danger plates

[@toastthemost2473]

I'd like to see this thrown with a card throwing technique. You basically curl your arm up beside your head with the card (chakram) held vertically, and then bring your hand straight forward, turn the card (chakram) horizontal, and launch with a wrist flick. Also, a note on melee strikes with the chakram: I would imagine most people who carried chakram wore leather gloves.

[@thomasmarston8232]

Pro Disc Golf is the key to seeing how this could be used… but fr

[@thomasmarston8232]

Totally agree on the leather gloves that was my thought as well

[@gansetsukon]

Hmmm... a ring pommel! What an interesting concept!

[@a.s.r.884]

3:20 minor misconception. It isn't actually worn on the wrist, as that is a kara, which is a seperate thing entirely. And yes the Sikhs did, and for some members of the Khalsa still do, wear it. However it was even possible to wear on the most common turbans you could tie on your head. And depending on the make of the Charkram, it can sever limbs. It's just like how a better made sword will cut limbs when a poorly made sword is stopped by branches.

[@agniroyai1230]

He might have meant holding them on the arms as in the painting

[@fungus2116]

Unless it’s weighted theirs no chance it could cut off an arm

[@douglasgorde5823]

I think it’s also because he hasn’t really had much experience with them compared to swords

[@jonnybgoode7742]

@@fungus2116 not a prayers chance in hell lol

[@a.s.r.884]

@@agniroyai1230 My mistake if that was what he meant.

[@Poth94]

Imagine standing on a battlefield and you see hundreds of these raining down on you

[@cryogopher8902]

Imagine throwing thousands of these and watching them all get thrown back at you since these things are literally useless

[@TechSupportDave]

@@cryogopher8902 not if you throw them right and your target isn't too far away. but it really takes some skill to throw them the right way. like being able to cut through a lot of bamboo using a katana, or being able to make a rock skip on water over 50 times, or breaking the sound barrier with a whip, or throwing a frisbee in a way that it literally makes a loud whiz as it flies.

[@cryogopher8902]

@I eat Cereal with Water and I pour the Water first. My point still stands. These things aren’t like the Roman pilum, they can still be thrown back, It doesn’t matter if they can do serious damage. I couldn’t imagine volleys of these being thrown, they require space, and can’t be thrown against opponents at a certain range. Of course any weapon you practice can become deadly, just that some weapons don’t stand a chance against others. The chakra basically guarantees that the user has skill, it’s not like a spear where you can just pick up and have a decent idea of how to use it. Compared to a volley of arrows, or sling stones, these just don’t match up

[@DragonKnightX12]

@@cryogopher8902 You are right in some way, that it takes skill to use, these were mostly used by Sikh Elites. There wouldn't be a volly of these things like Medieval archers, but it certainly can kill or mortally wound some of the opposing force and they can just throw it back like a Javelin or a Spear.

[@abhyudaysinghparmar6055]

@@cryogopher8902 in ancient times if a weapon or technique is useless u wont be even alive to pass it on. This is not some fancy anime weapon it's an actual which hv been used in thousands of wars for thousands of years.

[@thedudex2439]

Akali Nihang warriors from India would use the chakram by spinning it on their finger (or a stick for extra power) because it made the throw unpredictable to their enemies who wouldn't be able to anticipate the release. If this wasn't needed, then a vertical throw would be used to target a closer individual or a horizontal throw can be used to target a group of enemies at a distance. Small chakrams would also be worn on the arm and could be used in close combat while still attached to the arm. This particularly worked with their fighting style (Sanatan Shastar Vidiya) which is a very deceptive and misdirecting fighting art that uses a whole range of weapons. I highly recommend looking into the Vidiya taught by Gurdev Nidar Singh Nihang.

[@gustavopradella3186]

2:37 "don't ask me cause my brain reduses to process physics!" 5sec later: explains the basics of aerodynamics

[@SophiaAstatine]

The very basics though

[@gormauslander]

He doesn't really explain how it's happening. It's like saying the sky is blue rather than explaining the refraction of a wide spectrum of electromagnetic waves through a nitrogen rich environment

[@jon_j__]

The high school physics version of aerodynamics is very oversimplified and doesn't really reflect reality. Ask yourself how an aerobatic plane can fly straight and level, indefinitely, while inverted. Or why paper aeroplanes can fly at all (their wings are flat and don't have an aerofoil cross-section). Etc. Trying to understand what's really going on is weird and difficult and is why aerospace engineers exist.

[@gormauslander]

@@jon_j__ well, paper airplanes don't fly, they glide on a boundary layer like an ice skater I have wondered how aerobatic planes fly upside down though. I always assumed it was deflection

[@jon_j__]

@@gormauslander My (admittedly rudimentary) understanding is that lift is indeed caused by deflection. (Specifically, the fact that air that is coming in from the front is deflected downwards by the shape of the wing. Newton's Third Law => equal and opposite forces => lift.) Another commenter lower down linked an interesting instructional series by NASA: www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/airplane/lift1.html As for paper aeroplanes... well.. at the risk of excessive pedantry, I have two issues with your comment. (1) What, precisely, is the boundary layer? For ice skaters, there is indeed a layer of water that is melted by the pressure of the skater and lubricates the interface between the skate and the ice. I truly have no idea what you're suggesting here. (2) I guess we need to decide what is meant by the word "fly". Obviously, powered flight (birds, aeroplanes and helicopters) is flight. In addition, I would describe all forms of glider (vultures, albatrosses, flying squirrels, frisbees, piloted gliders, etc) as "flight". (Sidenote 1: Powered flight only happened because people stopped trying to copy birds and instead copied gliders, then strapped on an engine.) (Sidenote 2: Lighter-than-air flight (hot air balloons and zeppelins) and pointing your engines at the ground (Harrier jets, rockets) is also flight, but it does not involve aerodynamic lift, so it's irrelevant to this conversation.) I would categorise paper aeroplanes as a kind of glider: they can fly a very long way - very much further than can be explained without aerodynamic lift - but they do not have an onboard power source, so they are limited by their initial velocity (ie. how fast you throw them). So, yeah, I just wrote all that to assert that paper aeroplanes do in fact fly. lol.

[@thepixelwizard01]

1:46 Not necessarily. Chakras come in various different sizes and a warrior might carry 3 or 4 different sized ones making it easier to stack on a head gear. So the sheet wouldn't be completely wasted. The smallest size is similar to a large bangle, had duller edges and could be used to punch etc. Btw I would choose bolas (boleadoras) over this anyday

[@azekia]

Slings?

[@bce6936]

@@azekia yep

[@ericj.w.ruijssenaars3421]

Skall's mother: "Have you been playing outside again?" Little Skall : "Yeah, did play frisbee with the kid next door." Skall's mother: "'Did you two have fun?"' Little Skall : "Nah, I cut his head of by accident..."'

[@potatoradio]

When catch the lawn dart is seen as too easy

[@dropdead234]

"By accident." Yeah, right. Well, maybe if by "kid next door," you mean Sweden...

[@spartanwar1185]

I mean it could be argued that decapitating is fun lmao

[@kosmokat111]

love the Bakiraka in berserk for their use of these, they're portrayed in a pretty terrifying way in the berserk manga fr

[@kamrudjacobson4438]

Picturing these being launched en mass into an enemy line, like the Francisca or Pilum. Less about accuracy and more about dozens of saw blades flying around bouncing off your foes or sticking in soft juicy bits.

[@teakpeke3460]

And when they stop, someone picks them up and throws them all back at you. The fun and games never ends with these things!

[@TheMezzaLira]

Ah yes, the infamous Frisbee War

[@MrSamulai]

I can't imagine these would do much against shields.

[@Ninjaananas]

@@MrSamulai Or little armor.

[@blacklightredlight2945]

@@teakpeke3460 As we've seen with skallagrim, it won't matter much if the enemy doesn't know the proper way to use it.

[@marcusc9931]

I've seen it cut half way into a bamboo, and ever since, every time I see it I imagine it going into the shin bone and get sympathy pain.

[@rumpelpumpel7687]

😬 aaaah 😩

[@SoulOfTheReaver]

2:17 it functions on what's known as Bernoulli's Principle. Since the top side has more surface area but flows through the air at the same speed as the bottom side, it forces the air to travel faster over the same distance. This creates a pressure differential, essentially a suction effect, generating the lift and keeping the thing in the air. Same things happens with wings on aircraft. Your airfoil is just curved.

[@JasonPerkinsthingstosee]

i thought Bernoulli's principle was proven incorrect because it relied on the air leaving the back of the foil at the same time which it doesn't and that it was the angle of the air passing over the back of the foil in a plane wing that was providing the lift. From what I see as well, his foil is backwards, much like a spoiler on a car, the air being pushed over the wedge shape would be forced to travel up, thus pushing the blade down.

[@gormauslander]

The nature of a circle means that no matter how you orient the foil, one side will be receiving airflow backwards

[@justarandomtechpriest1578]

@@JasonPerkinsthingstosee were did you learn this

[@JasonPerkinsthingstosee]

@@justarandomtechpriest1578 You can simply look at his shape, which is very similar to that of a spoiler on a car creating downforce, aside from the flat bottom edge. I believe in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5fInKxseq6Lh5Y there is an explanation of what I am referring to.

[@Stethacanthus]

@@JasonPerkinsthingstosee Bernoulli's principle hasn't been proven incorrect overall. It just doesn't fully account for the lift generated by an airfoil, which in fairness Bernoulli was never trying to do. The equal transit theory is still pretty widely taught where fluid dynamics isn't commonly discussed. NASA has a really good lesson series on it too. www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/airplane/lift1.html This just me spitballing here, but the spoiler cross section you are describing probably doesn't have that much of an effect. Besides being a very small surface area to push down on, that cross sections only occurs on the front facing side and not along the sides of the chakra, which would form a complete airfoil. The interior edge towards the back also sharply tapers toward the back edge and that should turn the flow a little bit like an airfoil and generate some lift that I imagine might overpower the inverse effect at the front of not cancel it out. I don't want to get into how the spinning might play in because I am not a physicist and that much fluid dynamics makes my head hurt a little. This is a really cool idea for some experiments, though.

[@nicholassimmons9706]

When using the spinning around the finger method, it will undoubtably have more force, power, and be easier to aim if you spin it counter clockwise; the direction of spin being out laterally and then back inwards toward your torso, rather than clockwise as in out from your torso and then back in laterally. Imagine the way a pitcher twists their wrist when throwing a curve ball.

[@TitaniumEye]

This thing must be a pain in the A to sharpen. It's all blade!

[@presidentdeadpool3198]

4:45 The reason why its being stopped by those branches, is because they're flexing, the force of the throw is being absorbed into the branches, in fact you can see that happening when you put it in slow motion.

[@lauri6052]

yeah but a thing of that size isn't still going to cut of limbs maybe bigger ones could

[@presidentdeadpool3198]

@@lauri6052 Oh, yeah of course, the one he has would do quite a bit a damage, but still not strong enough to sever limbs. And he also forgot to mention, that there's another method to launch that disk, the method is the same as spimning it on your finger, except you spin it on a pole. Now with that extra leverage, that could possibly sever a limb.

[@The-Yellow-Man]

Should really check out the Deadliest Warrior when they tested this on a side of beef wrapped around a spinal chord. Cut through like butter

[@alextravine9422]

Dude. I like how you say you don't understand physics and then explain the correct physics immediately after.

[@joshuadelo]

The question we are all wondering is "will it kiiiill?"

[@siegelfried372]

time for the durability test

[@tattoorocker]

I think they made some on forged and fire

[@MrKenpokarate]

Absolutely a throat, wrist, achilles, or even a good horizontal shot that misses the ribs will be lethal. Especially in the day they were used because medical science wasn't up to par.

[@alexanderpalmperez1429]

@@siegelfried372 å

[@dwightehowell8179]

It is capable of making a potentially fatal cut on naked flesh. It isn't going to take the worlds best armor to deflect one. Even leather or cloth armor soaked in lacquer would make one of these bounce off.

[@50StichesSteel]

This is crazy. I recently got into disc golf and I have been getting pretty good at throwing the discs about 450 feet...Now I have a legitimate long range self defense melee weapon😂🤣👍🤙...I HIGHLY recommend watching a "how to throw a disc golf disc backhand" tutorial. It'll help you get rid of the side to side griplock throws....You may want to wear chainmail when throwing though because you reach back and pull the disc in tight across your chest when you throw

[@lincolnpetersen6229]

Finally someone else that knows how to throw a frisbee.

[@michaelo5665]

I was hoping skall would mention watching some pdga to learn how to throw a couple different ways. Edited to correct pre-coffee spelling.

[@bo_392]

450 ft?! holy shit batman

[@50StichesSteel]

@@bo_392 That didn't happen right away. It took me a good 3 months of practicing alot to get a decent shot going. I only recently have been able to achieve that distance

[@50StichesSteel]

@@lincolnpetersen6229 Yeah man I love it. Unfortunately I got into this at the beginning of this year and when I finally felt confident enough to start competing, every PDGA tournament I registered for has been cancelled...My PDGA number is #134774.

[@BeanMachine360]

The Doughnuts Of Death nothing beats my gunchucks

[@jimhiggins8642]

Gunchucks ftw

[@jordanhobbs3848]

Aviation person here. In simplist terms, the bottom is a straight line, top is curved. The air sticks to the surface (pit the back of a spoon to the stream of a sink) so as it travels across the top, it goes faster due to having to cover more distance. The bottom however, can move at roughly the normal speed. This results in the top having less pressure than the top. The object wants to follow negative, or leaser pressure, so it moves upwards.

[@pitic6555]

DAY: 80 of quarantine just turned a ring into a weapon

[@snorgonofborkkad]

That’s not how you use a colon. Stop writing like that.

[@lws7142]

Nobody thinks that comments like these are funny

[@patheronaetherson2860]

Bladed frisbee

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

how many days until he tries Tira's hula hoop blade?

[@niftystuff1470]

These were used by Sikh warriors. They are not meant to be thrown while you are on foot , it was used by horse riders.

[@Necroxion]

The first Spin users

[@Mathenaut]

@@Necroxion Golden Rotation with chakrams would have infinite cutting ability

[@frostkun7716]

You have to max dexterity

[@Mathenaut]

@@frostkun7716 But throwing weapon damage scales off of strength!

[@kingofpotato9]

@@Mathenaut You may throw it but at the end of the day it is a ranged weapon that wasn't used in melee unless you really had to (like bow &arrow) so i would define it as a ranged weapon and it would use dex

[@TheSonOfTheDragon]

Glad to see that viking intro again, always thought it was badass.

[@aaronyoung8301]

You mentioned from the start that there were 2 methods to make one of those; a bar bent into a circle or it cut out from a large sheet. There's a third: "the stretched donut": take a piece of stock (round is ideal) and punch a hole in the middle. Now, take this "donut" and slowly stretch it out around any form of round object you can think (horn, mandrel, etc), keeping it from "getting away from you." Finally, this ring is flattened to the profile, beveled, then ground to shape, removing limps and bumps that came up during the process. Im a blacksmith with adhd, so... puzzles like that are fun to figure out.

[@damagedcortex1415]

You need to use your WHOLE body if you want to cut through flesh. You use your hip / waist as a GIANT pivot point ro generate more momentum

[@caiolucasnovais3676]

Samurai: makes trowing metal stars India: be a lot cooler if ya made it bigger rounder and *HOLY*

[@kyomademon453]

Wouldn't the shuriken be a knock off version of the chakra

[@NaoyaYami]

"Samurai"?!

[@shu830]

The "holy" thing is especially funny because here in India the Chakram is associated with Vishnu (one of the three supreme gods/ Trimurti) who has a Chakram called "Sudarshan Chakra". Kinda like Thor's Mjolnir.

[@Toowe222]

The Bakiraka when they realise that your skull is still in one piece:

[@ethanwalsh4854]

Ahh yes. Berserk

[@H-Sensei]

With chakram, the rule is very simple... There no formal training...you just start using it from the childhood (mostly for fun)...and gradually you become a chakram throwing wizard... Just like with playing card throwers or frisbee throwers. I've seen some playing card throwing wizards capable of cutting unbelievable things just with that paper piece...so just think what an iron blade of this shape can do...

[@milo14564]

When I was a younger teenager, nearly 40 years ago, the toy stores sold these. They were rubber airfoil with a harder plastic, inner ring, for weight. It was called a Skyro and was supposed to be the next step in frisbee evolution. Watch the Forged in Fire episode that featured the Chakram as a finale weapon. The chakram the smiths made were very effective and, I believe, could remove limbs. Also, them must have been effective, or they wouldn't have been used for combat for such a long period of history. I think the reason that the finger throw existed was because small chakram would be worn on the wrist. I can see the wielder just dipping their hand down to let gravity slip one from the wrist on to a hooked finger, then raise the arm up into the finger twirl. Kind of a quick draw.

[@MusMasi]

I used the same thing 20 years ago they where fun i even sometimes threw them spinning them on my index finger and flicking em. They where fun I think the limbs been severed would of been very rare but could happen.

[@DragonKnightX12]

History channel did a video on it with a guy that is a decent of the sikh warriors and that's what it seemed like. The finger spin was a kind quickdraw, while he threw more like you would do in ultimate frisbee to cut straight through some sugar cane.

[@poMocnyMichal]

Skall, the warrior prince.

[@elasolezito]

Yalalalalala !

[@hobbyman47]

There’s an Indian guy manage to cut a sugar cane. Forgot his name I watch him in history channel about India’s ancient weapons.

[@shu830]

Name. I need need a name. Please.

[@justicar5]

@@shu830 (Akali Nidar Singh Nihang. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJDGiWSJrM52Z7s he is British, born in Wolverhampton

[@evaahh9584]

hobbyman47 sugar cane is not bone

[@vaelophisnyx9873]

@@evaahh9584 Sugar cane is actually fairly similar to the way living, "wet", bone reacts to cutting devices. Bones like you see in movies/video games do not act the same as they're usually dead, "dry", bones that are more akin to rock.

[@hagridsdisappointingson769]

This is probably one of those weapons where most users didn't stay alive long enough to get good with it but there has to be like a legendary Frisbee warrior out there.

[@MunyuShizumi]

When throwing it sideways, the accuracy is less important if what you're aiming at is a formation rather than individual targets, which might prove to be even more effective during battle since most other ranged weapons (slings being a common exception) will telegraph their intended destination far before they're released. If you might throw it anywhere in a 100° arc in front of you, that means that the unfortunate recipient can also expect a chakram to the face from a 100° arc in front of them, thus making it more difficult to shield against compared to ex. arrows. There's also the added benefit of bounciness which somewhat ensures that at least someone in the formation will have a bad day. Could also prove to be a nuisance by catching onto other objects/weapons/feet/etc. as one would probably prefer not to continuously bump into the sharp edge (or be a source of trouble for those around you). Just imagine fiddling to get one off your spear when you're in the second or third row of a formation. I'd assume that a group of skirmishers flanking an enemy formation could cause significant disarray in such a way, and while it may not cause much damage to any one individual, it should certainly assist the main troops in ending them rightly. They're also easy to carry and don't have to be made very well to be effective.

[@TheodoreMinick]

I immediately thought of a way to get the thing off your spear, should it land, ring-toss style, around it. Don't know how effective it would be in formation, as I imagine the guys around you would probably not appreciate it... But if you spin it around right, you can get it to slide right off the top of your spear, just like throwing it with your finger. Accuracy is going to be shit, as it's going to hit the spearhead on the way out, but it's mostly just to clear your own weapon, so as long as you don't hit your buddy, it's all good. Like I said, though, no idea how practical it would be, compared to just spinning the spear around to let the thing just fall off, or even shifting your hands around it.

[@kingjamestres]

Used to throw discus (I know not exactly the same) and I can imagine doing a full or half spin really rotating the shoulders/back and core to add more explosive momentum using the finger throw. starting with the ring at the base of your finger and releasing it at the height as you spun around. Honestly from what you've shown with a few hours of practice this weapon has deadly potential surprisingly so.

[@numbers9to0]

Branches bend, and absorb energy when doing so.

[@santerilaakeristo7305]

ö. . , So do limbs, clothes, flesh, muscle, tendon and bone.

[@santerilaakeristo7305]

True WingChun True WingChun It’s not accurate that limbs, clothes, flesh, muscle, tendon and bone do bent and absorb energy in doing so? I’m not going address that bit about “fighter” because your statement made so many assumptions that it’s pointless really and besides my point. I newer said branch and limb is exactly the same. I just pointed that they have similar qualities. Qualities which make them harder to cut. (And by the way, nobody except you mentioned “very ting branches in the end of tree”.) I wanted to point that out because it seems to me that, like in your case, people often do not realise how much limb, and actually whole body, gives in when hit. Are you so sure that limb is comparable to 4 inch d log or 2x4?

[@Soothsayer-bp8oz]

Hey skallgrim, idk if you'll see this but if you spin it the other way around your finger you can hook it with your finger on release, the way you do with an over hand throw. Allowing you to conserve the momentum, as it should continue to roll and freely roll off your finger, as well as put more power behind it... I've done it with the plastic toy version and you can get pretty accurate with it as well as quite some distance.