Film Study: Does Josh Allen deserve any blame for the failed 4th and 5 play?

[@Princecharisma111]

NFL fans really think u can’t give opinions about a game if you never played in the NFL. That’s some ironic gatekeeping

[@robcanisto8635]

That opinion is in the minority though! usually held by people who know the least about ball lmao

[@bingchiIIing232]

its just cope

[@juststop022]

​@@robcanisto8635 what opinion? Allen haters right?

[@XxGlobalGamerxX]

Allen was not making that pass to Shakir. Homie was under fire within a second

[@variableization]

Completely this. There are at least 3 defenders immediately free. No one immediately and obviously open. This is a failure of play calling and protection. That Allen threw a remotely catchable pass to the TE is borderline inhuman. Whatever the "hot read" was here seemed like a low percentage play, and so does the orbit to Shakir. I'm blaming this play on the Chiefs calling and playing very good defense on 4th and 5 with the game on the line.

[@markspack]

Play calling was the major issue plus Allen is experienced enough to be able to adjust the protection when everyone in the world knows Spags was gonna be blitzing, the fact that he started running right away tells you they didn’t have a counter for the blitz, if the orbit route to Shakir was the first read then Allen would stood there, took the hit and hit Shakir but it’s not even a guaranteed first down so yeah Joe Brady got out coached by a large margin.

[@Day1JoeMiltonBeliever]

​@@variableizationvery "inhuman" of him going 1/4 5 yards in the most important drive of his career🤣

[@variableization]

@@Day1JoeMiltonBeliever I was talking about one part of one play.

[@redesignedlife777]

Only thing i saw was some big ass freight trains bout to hit Josh….. it’s hard as hell to see everything down the field. It was amazing he was even able to hit Kincaid.

[@TrillVilla5]

Allen got beat off of tendency. Instead of trying to make a play in the pocket, he ran right into the blitz because Josh always rolls to his right. Only runs left on his sneaks and tush pushes. Allen lost the game for the Bills as much as the coaching staff did. You don't sit your best offensive weapon for almost the entirety of the 4th quarter and expect to win. You don't do the same thing over and over and over again and expect the same results.

[@maximus._]

how did allen lose them the game when his pass hit his receiver right in the hands?

[@Day1JoeMiltonBeliever]

​​@@maximus._lmao stop that was a literally prayer, Kinkaid literally had to go backwards trying to catch that. Most important drive of his career and he goes 1/4 5 yards, Cook carried him all game too😂

[@maximus._]

@@Day1JoeMiltonBeliever did it hit Kincaid in the hands or nah?

[@choiyatlam2552]

I think you missed the major reason why Allen was setting protection to the left, Chris Jones was on the left as an Edge. Do you trust the LT on CJ one-on-one in true passing situation? Hindsight is 20-20, Allen may think he can handle one free rusher, but Spags used the overloaded pressure and CB blitz that fooled Allen.

[@jimmydoyle6843]

Coach needed to call a timeout once the Chiefs lined up. The play called by Brady never had a chance.

[@sweeet768]

Corner on the play near shakir was just WAITING for that throw to happen, in no world is that a guaranteed first down. Allen was under pressure from the second he snapped it and had he thrown it that way it could’ve been swatted so it was basically do or die

[@dutchflats]

The long and short of this is that Andy Reid and Steve Spagnuolo are a quantum level smarter than McDermott et al.!

[@K9marcel]

Before the 4th and 5 It was a 1st and 10

[@nickwilson6393]

Ryan leaf a real one😭

[@lavenderlunchbox]

Why not call a timeout 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@cayden_bia]

Absolute facts five blockers vs 6 on the line? Call a timeout get ur people in the right place. And I'm pretty sure the offensive line didn't know their correct assignment. Two people came through right away. Call a timeout and get it figured out.

[@zackwheat5770]

Check out the high end zone angle. The pass wobbles and hooks back left slightly while in flight. Makes it much more difficult to catch.

[@sebclot9478]

Still, you gotta make that play.

[@darrelle9426]

That’s why the greats like Peyton had automatic hot reads for plays like this that would of killed them if that guy just turned around

[@sebclot9478]

Yeah, there should have been a hot read there. The WR that was left free by the bitzing corner would have been the perfect target, but his was a short crossing route, which was the worst option for a corner blitz from that side.

[@HA-eb8ux]

1:49 The failure in communication here: analyzing in a "comfy swivel chair" what a perfect player should/could have done is a worthwhile exercise and does not equate to judging Josh Allen to be a subpar competitor and quarterback worthy of exceptional blame. Im sure Josh will go through the exercise. TB12 didnt become GOAT by going into film sessions and having BB say, "you know Tom, youve accomplished a lot in this league and we all know you are a ferocious competitor, lets skip on the analysis this week, any breakdown would be nitpicky".

[@paulcaruana4090]

It's simple. The Bills got out coached again by the Chiefs. If Allen would have dropped back straight , he would have thrown it to Shakir. He rolled R cuz they thought Blitz was coming from Left. They moved protection to left. Chiefs came from R . Chess match won by Chiefs coaching staff

[@grinningchicken]

Tom Brady reads the defense has the receiver on the right line up a little further out which give him a half second more, shifts the protection left, turns throws the checkdown.

[@jyrlan2596]

That's why he's Brady, the best to ever play

[@HBG313]

Gayest to ever play😊​@@jyrlan2596

[@Stanl3y_Ipkiss]

The chiefs showed pressure on the right and blitzed left. They showed pressure on the left and blitzed right. They did this all game to give Josh the impression that’s what they were doing on the 4th & 5. They showed it on the right and blitzed on the right. Just a coaching masterclass.

[@ElectricianAl]

You can’t argue with Kurt. He bagged groceries and played Quarterback and did both pretty damn good…

[@PeterDeMarco]

Solak can be very wrong and Leaf can be an absolute first class idiot for threatening someone over their bad sports take. Two things can be true.

[@sebclot9478]

I think Leaf was being honest when he said that he meant it in jest. He posted without thinking. It's the type of thing you say to your best buddies over a beer. Your buddies all know that you don't really mean it. But that gets completely lost on social media. Especially since there are actually some crazy people who will take it seriously.

[@PeterDeMarco]

@sebclot9478 So a first class idiot. Like I said.

[@jeremybrown9611]

Bad read, bad blocking, bad play calling and ULTIMATELY TERRIBLE OFFICIATING

[@10thletter40]

Aw man, everything was good until the end. I'm sorry the villains one but relax

[@Waverider088]

Great breakdown

[@Turtlemannnn90]

Not only did the corner have a straight away rush at Josh BUT THE RIGHT TACKLE DID NOT BLOCK ANYONE ON THAT PLAY! NOT EVEN THE LINEBACKER WHO WAS CLEARLY BLITZING LOL

[@jimmydoyle6843]

Here’s a thought, everyone has said that the offensive play call on the 4th and 5 was going to fail because of the defensive pressure from the weak side. WHY DOESNT COACH CALL TIMEOUT. Bills had 3 timeouts. This play is obviously the game on the line.

[@andhisband]

I actually found Ryan Leaf hilarious. As the worst QB ever, he still found room to talk "easy chair in a heated room." LOL

[@cayden_bia]

An actual good take on Ryan Fitzpatrick, who is the best back up of all time btw.

[@almightysheck]

idk how you can blame the qb for getting corner blitzed, even then that ball coulda been caught . i'm a bills fan who has been so traumatized by this play ever since i saw it live .

[@cayden_bia]

Shoulda called a timeout to be honest. I know saying it in hindsight seems pretty stupid. But six people on the line vs five blockers usually doesn't end up well especially when the center doesn't help pick up a blocker

[@thomaspick4123]

I like these discussions. It makes me pass gas, so I feel more comfortable.

[@jimmyh2019]

both sides need to calm down. it's not hospital medicine or military operations. it's just a game.

[@getmoney3806]

Josh Allen has always struggled reading coverages. Thats why he threw so many picks. Hes gotten better with it but here in the most important down of his season he slid his protection the wrong way & ignored his hot. Mahomes, Burrow or Lamar as shown in the video would have seen that corner blitz.

[@arizona_anime_fan]

yes, josh allen can't read defenses. that's why he's the highest rated post season qb in history. that's why he's regularly throws for 4k and 30+ td a year. thats why he was an mvp candidate. because he can't read defenses. josh allen reads defenses just fine. no one plays a perfect game... wait. josh allen did. ok, one person has played a perfect game in the playoffs against the no.1 defense in the league. outside of that one guy no one plays perfect games in the playoffs. against top defenses and teams. yet somehow josh allen has managed to only throw 4 ints in his whole career in the playoffs against 25 tds, 66% completions, averaging over 250y/g. huh. weird. oh and his sack rate is also the 2nd lowest amungst active nfl player in his career. i thought he couldn't read defenses. for a guy who can't read defenses he sure seems to have a bunch of numbers that seem to indicate he's someone who can read defenses.

[@getmoney3806]

@arizona_anime_fan he didnt play a perfect game. Josh also plays in the regular season.

[@HjjMaker]

@@arizona_anime_fanwho has he beat in the postseason? Besides Lamar this year that was good?

[@ZxNCarry]

@@arizona_anime_fanwith the game on the line , he went 6 plays 17 yards

[@cayden_bia]

Bunch of Josh Allen d1 haters. He made a play and Dalton Kincaid straight up dropped it. you guys act like he isn't a top 5 QB. Put some respect on his damn name 🤷

[@fairwarning007]

At the end of the day Allen made the right decision and throw… Kincaid just couldn’t haul it in.

[@Waverider088]

Yep.

[@Joe-wk9ow]

The biggest mistake the Bills did was to go for two on two different touchdowns. If they had just taken the points then there would have never been a need to even try that play in the first place.

[@joebidenshusband6593]

Don’t forget going for that controversial QB sneak It’s there fault as much as the refs Why put it in the refs hands when that play hasn’t been working all night

[@dhLord64]

The refs made Josh Allen call the wrong protection!!!

[@gregorylewis4370]

In this video it shows that Allen didn't make the proper reads and adjustments of the play. As the play was designed it was never going to work.. With that many people at the line an adjustment should have been made. He's in the shotgun and no wide receiver is running a route that catches the blitz

[@cayden_bia]

He made a throw that was dropped it wasn't on him wtf

[@jcollura6766]

Allen is a good QB. But to get past the Chiefs, the Bills need a GREAT QB. What makes a QB great? Well when the defense gets you the ball back, down by only 3 with plenty of time to go win the game? Great QB's go win that game in that situation. Josh Allen never seems to be able to. He just doesn't rise to greatness in those big spots like Mahommes or Brady is known for.

[@jazziscooI]

uh besides joe and magic who tf is better than allen hurts???? lamar??????

[@jcollura6766]

@@jazziscooI It's not about being better. Josh needs to learn how to close out playoff games. He needs to be able to rise to the moment. He just doesn't do that and the list of excuses for that is getting really old.

[@Sperry778]

Greatness = getting roughing the passer like mahomes on that 4th down 😂 wwe

[@KippinCollars]

I don't really get this play at all from the Bills perspective. Pre-snap, they have a guy open just looking at the numbers. It gets even better when that corner blitzes. They only need 5 and they have time left. The Chiefs did the same things to the 49ers in the Super Bowl with the corner blitz. The Chiefs are easy to beat if you just notice their patterns and weaknesses. I'm surprised every single year that more teams just don't look at their tape and figure it out.

[@jyrlan2596]

The NFL is in a drought of QBs that can actually read and react to the blitz. There's a reason teams very rarely blitzed brady or manning. You give either of them one on one on the outside and they burn you every time. QBs 10-15 years ago were just built different, and I say that as a relatively young guy

[@derekholdeman4461]

​@@jyrlan2596spags won 2 Superbowls blitzing Brady. For the record. Spags is the best Blitzer in the league, give him his flowers. Undoubtedly, blitzing means giving up coverage and making easier completions available, but it also makes the read and the pass much more difficult to make..... I'm not a film guy but someone was saying this defensive front is one the chiefs have shown alot without bringing the corner blitz and sometimes without bringing pressure at all.

[@KippinCollars]

@ I’d put this less on the QB and more on the wider organization itself. Tape, coaching, and preparation beat that play.

[@Willtellthetruth]

Ah. So the same Chiefs team that is 22-1 in Mahomes' last 22 starts is actually easy to beat in the opinion of a guy living in his mom's basement eating bonbons and watching KZbin vidoes. Got it!

[@KippinCollars]

@@Willtellthetruth Watch the tape. There's 96 games of Mahomes as a starter with Reid as coach. There are dozens of game break downs from former professional players online. All the information needed is right there for anyone to use.

[@Gabeloveyou]

Refs rigged the game. Never watch NFL again.😊

[@tonysoprallen]

Cybo Torrence prolly could pick up blitz better -> Josh could made better throw -> Kincaid could made a catch Thats pretty much it And yea, playcall was pretty weak, not good playoff perfomance in general from Joe Brady, both 2nd halfes against Baltimore and KC were not good to say the least

[@sdot6]

He was running for his life and panicked case closed!

[@HHH-nv9xb]

It is a team sport. Why does one need to assign blame?

[@lineialquantum]

It will always be human nature to find a scapegoat when things don’t go as planned

[@raymondrak961]

Assigning blame gives satisfaction to some.

[@devinjohnson9749]

Who screwed up the oline slide ?? Josh or the center ?

[@jyrlan2596]

Neither, it was a free rusher regardless

[@harissonleacock4634]

Joe is there OC so there doing the college football solution spread it out and pray they can’t cover on the back

[@cammyboyyy8173]

Dude Jackson your takes are so relatable , is your dad an NFL coach or something??

[@buzzed0nbeer21]

Knock the play call all you want Kincaid didn’t catch the ball or the play would’ve worked. Josh could’ve thrown a better ball, but if he threw it to shakier he would’ve gotten tackled short of the first down.

[@bookman7409]

Folks with takes like the first one are ignoring the fact that when you're caught by a surprise it takes time to process that and figure out what to do next. Allen was quick about it, far faster than I could ever manage. but half of a second's a long time there for players that are running right at you. All the "should've done this or that instead" talk when a play's breaking down in front of the QB is basically hogwash. OK, I have to state an exception to that for when the QB's under duress and doesn't throw it away to avoid the sack outside of the pocket. There has to be that clock and it can't be running slow that play, but if you're using hindsight and ignoring game vs processing speeds you're going to be talking some nonsense. The way they talk, the must figure that they don't need much space from the car ahead, because if something unexpected happens, they'll read and react correctly instantly, every time. It don't work like that, so don't tailgate until you're in the stadium parking lot.

[@forceofnature253]

The favoritism is obvious. The game is rigged. Not a bills fan, but the reversal on the earlier fourth and one is dead on cheating. When have you ever seen a play reversed without clear evidence? Does everything have to be bought by money now?

[@Sperry778]

None of this matters if Allen gets that deserved first down, and we all know mahomes is getting a flag for roughing the passer there and nobody would say anything about it but how “great” he is and that he “clutched up” the game.

[@hillpsalms7468]

Look for the flags in the Chiefs last two drives of Superbowl 58..... That's why he's clutch

[@Emperorjaga]

And none of that matters if they correctly call the defense jumping offisides earlier putting them at 3rd and 15 rather than 3rd and 5.

[@TrillVilla5]

None of this matters if Josh actually hits his receivers on the previous passes or if James Cook played the entirety of the 4th quarter or if they game Shakir that screen pass on 3rd and long instead of Cooper. So many ifs but it's unfortunate that Kincaid gets the blame on a tough pass to catch.

[@jyrlan2596]

​@hillpsalms7468 we saw 9 of them in the championship game right before. Nice try tho

[@HBG313]

And if andrews catches that 2pt conversion the ravens couldve won

[@clint7210]

So one of Allens and coaches faults in this game us they keot trying to make the home run play. I know its against everything taught but wheb u play KC u gotta take the easy 10 and move the chains. There was plenty time left. Has noone lear ed u dont give Mahomes ball with over a min left. But even beginning they tried to score fast. Keep mahomes on bench take 10 min off clock a drive thats what hes gonna do to you.

[@EmperorDxD]

Why do u people Babby josh allen

[@kevincharlesmcmahon]

Way too much talking. Should have been a 2 minute video, not a second longer. Other teams films were agravating, not needed. Allen threw an unbelievable ball. Nobody else could have done so. Kincaid blew it. Period. No need to say anything else.

[@jamaalsjourney]

Really bro? 13 videos on the same 15 minutes of a game? Well i guess that's the way to do it.

[@lineialquantum]

You could always not watch or leave a comment but i guess you enjoy watching things you hate?

[@jyrlan2596]

Why do you care? You chose to click

[@Dimezprod]

Yeah, he gets some play, mahomes would’ve converted.

[@Sperry778]

With a roughing the passer penalty yes

[@jyrlan2596]

Mahomes would've made the receiver catch the ball better? Yall glazers really just say anything

[@mrpinchy749]

r/billsimmons

[@atlas_uraeus]

Short answer no, the refs and by extension the NFL does

[@andrewkelly1337]

This Benjamin guy desevres the "didnt play" criticism cuz hes refusing to look at the play from Josh Allen's perspective not from his arm chair perspective. He sure presents his words with what feels like a lack of self awareness