5 Screenwriting Mistakes Beginners Make - Jim Agnew

Jim Agnew is a director, writer and producer, known for The Capture (2017), Rage (2014) and Game of Death (2011). A former contributor/writer to Film Threat who played guitar for the Industrial Rock group Hate Dept., Jim has worked with such directors as Dario Argento and John Carpenter as well as Oscar-winning actors, producers and writers.
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[@diegooland1261]

I'm loving FC. I'm starting to see patterns in the advice. Writing is work, hard work. Swallow your pride. Take the feedback you're given, if you're lucky enough to get feedback, and use it. Do your freaking homework. Be a team player. Tell a story, and not just link action scenes together (like some franchises do). And writing is hard work. Do the work.

[@therunawayrascal]

that’s some good stuff!

[@BatPierrot]

Then again, first advice: mess up your story and put something of the 3rd act at the beginning so the reader won't get bored.. It like to sell your stuff, you have to make it bad because the audience is made of lazy fuck who can't focus 10 minutes on a story

[@johnwilliams2313]

It is hard work, I write novels and screenplays, but at the same time, don't make the process sound like your climbing a ladder to Heaven!

[@mudman4500]

Testify

[@Leon-zu1wp]

That's what these guys and gals, plus every motivational speaker on the planet, make money doing. Essentially telling people over and over again in different ways that you have to work hard for success.

[@whitebear224]

I know this channel is primarily for cinema, but these videos are also extremely helpful for authors!

[@filmcourage]

Cheers! Some of our guests are authors as well. Besides, a lot of what we cover is story.

[@whitebear224]

@@filmcourage right!

[@Nazia642]

Yep! That’s why I’m here!

[@wrongbutnotaliar5606]

The funniest thing is, I read my favorite films screenplays, and everything from the godfather, even to pulp fiction... If you handed those scripts in today you'd be called an amature yet again... Hollywood is a mess, the films they make now don't even follow any of these rules, so just go make your own film!!!

[@user-nx9eq2wq7t]

So true. Pulp Fiction is full of spelling errors, weird idiosyncrasies but it came out so well!

[@wrongbutnotaliar5606]

@@user-nx9eq2wq7t I know right, it's insane what's happening now, I think back then there was enough old timers left that were still somewhat human beings so they'd actually give people a chance.

[@ReadIcculus93]

This producer summed it up pretty well. You have to write a fake opening in the first 2 pages to entice a guy who doesn't like to read, to give it a thumbs up. 3 pages is just too much work for a guy who gets paid to read scripts for a living.

[@julius-stark]

The problem is you often don't know what you have until someone tells you. I've been practicing screenwriting for more than half my life and I'm still not sure how the 56th draft I just finished is going to read. My method is after I finish a draft I go work on something else for a few weeks/months then come back and read it after I've forgotten what happens. It's much easier to detect a shitty draft that way.

[@kamischarougen4580]

I have a couple of half written drafts and I got much better in piecing the pieces, but the interesting (and time consuming) part of the work is really going into the gritty stuff. Like why isn't the cop following procedure in this scene, where is the explanation, what his motivation, show don't tell - and you realize the important scene doesn't work because there is no beat, no logic, and then everything falls apart. So I use some cheap gimmick to skip this issue, but at the end the document sits there for month because you don't have the skill or idea how to fix serious motivational problems in a good way. And then you see a Marvel movie and think "You million dollar writer didn't know either! You just skipped over this problem with a gimmick and an character storming out the scene without solving it! And then you never talk about it again". The system seems to work different when you are at the top of the food chain.

[@julius-stark]

@@kamischarougen4580 I know what you mean, I have nearly 2 dozen unfinished scripts because I realized I fucked up somewhere and didn't know how to fix it, or I tried too hard to stick to my outline only to realize my outline doesn't work with what I actually wrote. I've decided to turn one of my longer more intricate scripts into a book because the odds of publish a book are much higher than selling a script, but having to fill in all the gaps a script leaves out actually revealed a lot of problems as well as opportunities in that script so it's been really interesting adapting a script into a novel.

[@kevinreily2529]

Script Coverage services help a lot. $$$ well spent.

[@12ealDealOfficial]

From my experience, every novice script from a recent college grad or current student has the following three hallmarks: 1) The author's mouthpiece character 2) The character which represents the person that hurt the author in high school 3) The word "supposedly" being used to demarcate the film's premise and inevitable twist

[@jacobdesioreviews]

Number 2 is soooo true. I find it hilarious too when new writers make themselves into a character in the story who happens to be cool and they are described in nauseating detail

[@routeterror1236]

Many writers incorporate aspects of their life into their work. It helps especially beginners come up with ideas. I think even Wes Craven came up with the name Freddy Krueger for his villain from an old school bully, and the look of Freddy I heard was inspired by a creepy guy Wes saw outside his window one time as a kid.

[@PhantomFilmAustralia]

@@jacobdesioreviewsI take the aspects of myself that I hate and incorporate into characters. (Rough seas are more exciting than calm waters) Eccentricities, ticks, and habits are far more interesting than a cool character, especially when that character is trying to hide them. An actor playing a drunk character isn't really that interesting. It's far more interesting when a actor is playing a drunk character trying to behave sober.

[@Treblaine]

@@routeterror1236 it's worse than name or appearance, it's their entire essence. They represent petty squabbles, nothing grander. In Die Hard they had a villain that's an amalgamation of European intellectual elitists and pompous revolutionary terrorists, it was tapping into something grander that people could relate to, the sneering revolutionaries who had taunted Americans throughout the 1970s and 80s who in the end had such shallow goals. Like the Iran-Contra affair, they took hostages on grandiose principles then weren't above buying missiles from "the great satan". Star Wars clearly pulled from totalitarian regimes of the past 50 years, those tunics the officers wore were a blend of NKVD and the Gestapo. People mistake the english accents as a reference to the British empire but that's just because giving them German or Russian accents would be far too on the nose, especially as western movies that were set in Russia typically had Russians speak with British accents like Doctor Zhivago and Gorky Park. Yes, you should draw from what you feel in your heart but if all that's in your heart are petty squabbles over trivial domestic issues then then quite simply you have nothing in your heart to related to others. Apparently the worst thing they can think of is not the great evils of slaughter and oppression but a peer who disagreed with them when they were a child.

[@huwwackman_excel]

Most films are Netflix or Amazon productions and the majority of those scripts are a collaboration of many writers, and they still can't poop out something incredible. Reality is, you ain't selling a spec script anytime soon, unless you own the studio. I wrote a pretty decent script, got good reviews on Blacklist, but have no idea how to get it to someone who would do it justice. It'll end up as Ghostbusters 12, with dogs playing the lead.

[@savinggrace9844]

😂😂😂

[@comicsmisexplained]

Hate the trope of creating a flashback right after something exciting in the beginning. It’s now a meme because it’s been played out. *freeze frame* “Yup that’s me. Bet you’re wondering how I got into this situation.”

[@codegreenstudio]

That True Romance did it so memorably ought to hold anyone back from doing it *that* way again. Handled with some creativity, though, giving the reader a sense of the distance that will be traveled between now and then can be a useful device.

[@jorahkai4296]

Love this interview!

[@donshel9127]

How can you demand someone to have a “perfect script” because a reader has to invest 2 hrs of their time to read a screenplay…then have the audacity to ask people to spend money AND 2 hrs of their time to watch a movie that they literally butchered to hell because of personal interest? Tarantino Scorsese, Nolan (hell, I’ll add James Gunn) are able to tell executives NO or “I’ll take your opinion into consideration” because they are story tellers, they love telling stories. New Writers and Directors need to take notes because if a film does bad those executives will throw you under the bus REAL quick. Being a writer is a thankless job to begin with; write an amazing screenplay that turns into an amazing movie and everyone lines up to give the Director a handy 🤚🏾 but no one cares who the writers were. What a wild world to live in.

[@johnnhoj6749]

Producers can demand because they have something the writer wants - the ability to make a film. And yes, producers want scripts they can film, but the vast majority of writers aren't going to supply that and especially those who send in unpolished scripts.

[@flyingfrogofdeath9616]

He's talking about putting yourself in the best scenario for success. That paarticular bit about a perfect script is basically him saying don't send ask people/producers to read an unfinished script or anything you consider to be far from the finished product (unless youre asking for pointers from another writer - but he addresses this at the beginning). It's just about changing your mindset from one of mediocrity to one where you are willing to put the hours in and deliver something as close to what you think is perfect/the best you can do

[@te9591]

If people didn't care about writers then we wouldnt see buzz names like Stephen King etc.

[@corpsefoot758]

@@johnnhoj6749 Who says the vast majority of producers are smart enough to helm a production, either though? The vast majority of them get by on access to funds. Not some kind of coordinating and/or hiring genius

[@donshel9127]

@@te9591 Stephen King built up a following from his books…not the same. Directors like Nolan, Tarantino, Kevin Smith, James Gunn etc are used as Buzzwords because they write their own movies and their body of work was so good that attaching their name to any project is gonna = Money …in theory, because sometimes them shits be flops.

[@averylaughlin9305]

These videos help me so much when I’m trying to understand how to execute events in my project

[@DiggsLuciano]

Thank you, Film Courage for the cut into sseveral bits in your video interview . it is quite handy for me to digest, for english is my second language and i have short span of intension.

[@filmcourage]

Thank you, great to see you finding value here.

[@blogdaddy5683]

Unfiltered. Good for you Jim Agnew!

[@mandeepsingh-fd7mh]

Very Good points picked up its a team work and probably everyone thinks they are doing the right thing..

[@blundy1]

Woohoo! More Film Courage!

[@mariusknappe1562]

Around 6:40 I honestly interpreted, that he said he doesn't respect aspiring screenwriters

[@jankmedia1985]

Curious to hear his thoughts on the film Giallo and how he feels about it now.

[@seanmccormick1412]

I'm pretty sure Actions speaks louder than words. Just cause a script may look professional doesn't mean it's good/readable. This is the problem script judges just don't get they never look at the big picture and have most likely have never worked on a film set. When I write scripts I always think about the lights, Camera, Lens, Color, Frames, Shots, Positions, and most importantly the cinematography of the movie

[@danekeating5224]

So when you write a script, you think about everything except the story? The story being the screenwriters only job, as opposed to being the cinematographer or director? Script readers don't judge a script, they evaluate whether it is worth the time and money to invest in, over the thousands of shit scripts that are written by wanna-be cinematographers and directors that have no story, just cool looking shots and lighting, and definitely no story. Go be a landscape photographer then.

[@seanmccormick1412]

@@danekeating5224 Actually No. Script s are the story, the cinematography is the motion of the story. It's an form of art and creativity. Most directors usually are the ones who write the scripts. Working on film sets for years I know this. But what I was trying to explain just cause it looks good on paper doesn't mean it will be executed the same. It's just becomes following directions not following The Story. I've seen this so many times in so called professional scripts. 😴

[@danekeating5224]

@@seanmccormick1412 Yes thank you, I acknowledge your experience and I know the business. This series is about being a writer only. A writer needs to tell the scene visually, without blatantly telling the director and DOP what to do. They don't like that. A writer/ director still needs to differentiate being the writer and director. A good script will only then enable them to also be the director. The script is the job interview if you will, there will be very obvious signs if it can and should progress further. A reader has seen this hundreds of times and can tell within 5 pages, it does become that obvious. Unless of course you can self-finance, but who has a spare bucket of millions? This is like any job. Eager beginners think they are the first to discover the sky is blue, while experienced pros tell them it's always been blue. The beginner thinks they are unique, special and misunderstood. The pro says to them you can do it your way, or you can do it the way that works. Hollywood only bets on an assumed certain return that is expected to work. Once you are established you can do what you want. This series is pointing out the basic requisites to get a start.

[@southlondon86]

Sometimes ‘show don’t tell’ isn’t necessary, eg in horror where exposition can just be given.

[@nerdock4747]

Yeah, but that's mainly feeling based, right? You know you're watching a horror movie, so you know what to expect from it. A potential lack of exposition only works because of the medium.

[@dash4800]

I see a lot of videos about what makes scripts good or bad or why bad trends happen in movies but what I really want to know is how do bad scripts get the green light all the way to production. Thinking of stuff like the last predator movie which was just full of bad charactes, dialogue, plot lines, internal logic, etc. How does that happen. How does a hollywood system full of professional writers let that script through the door.

[@davidmansfield9167]

Writing is an art, not a skill. If you have the option on a third in a franchise movie it's unlikely you'll attract a writer who's an artist, so you have to hire one who is just technically proficient. And nobody wants to watch the movie of an instruction manual.

[@juandager5220]

It is not a meritocracy. It's more a political charade of "who you know and who you..."

[@davidmansfield9167]

@@juandager5220 It absolutely is a meritocracy. There just aren't that many good writers. Again, you have to understand there's a lot of people who can come up with ideas, more that can cobble together dialogue, and an endless sea of people who can bolt together scenes with some sense of order. But none of these people are writers anymore than a decorator is a painter. And if you're hiring someone to creosote a fence, you might as well hire your brother-in-law.

[@juandager5220]

@@davidmansfield9167 I see your point. So a top talent screenwriter will not want to work on Predator 5 or Jaws 6? And they end up hiring a good enough "decorator that can paint."

[@SaraX2024]

If someone uses a too eloquent language that sounds like a university thesis. It's hard to keep the reading flowing when you may need a dictionary for almost every second word. Keep it short and simple. I don't like to spend digging through one page for 5+ minutes just because I need to restart reading the first paragraph in order to understand the action.

[@TheLadsBandLive]

So, put the big explosion at the BEGINNING of the script, eh? Hollywood, here I come!

[@nerdock4747]

*Star Trek: First Contact would like to know your location*

[@ajankytoucan]

I think trying to achieve perfection isn't a good Idea. Firstly you'll never get anything done and you also won't try anything special. Because a thing that hasn't been done before can't be perfect, because no one could test it out beforehand. And perfection is an incredibly subjective measurement, I would say. I also think it is inapropriate to demand perfection, for the same reason. It is also a closeminded aproach, because a story you can read or experience without effort is not a challenging one. Not that every story has to be challenging, but labeling something as unreadable just because it doesn't grab you immediately seems rather complacent to me. He's right that you shouldn't show a script that is unfinnished. I think you should be proud of it, and love the story, which comes from putting in the effort needed. Maybe that's all he meant, but his choice of words let's me doubt that.

[@royaltypoetry1533]

My whole thing is what do it make a difference if a screenplays perfect if someone along the lines going mess it up by putting things that doesn’t make sense for the movie .

[@Erynus]

The Sturgeon Revelation : "The existence of immense quantities of trash in science fiction is admitted and it is regrettable; but it is no more unnatural than the existence of trash anywhere."

[@12345fowler]

What about studios wanting to correct good scripts in a totally weird ways ? Like what the studio wanted first from Top Gun movie, to be like a romance film whre aviation would be sidekicked as a simple decor element ? Truth is nobody knows the truth of any artistic creation before it hits the street. And it's probably better that way.

[@Treblaine]

From the producer's point of view they're thinking "how the hell are we going to get all these shots of modern jet fighters? Can't we cut this down and do romance, that's cheap" I don't think they were banking on the Department of Defense being quite so supportive as they ended up being. Doing this all with special effects in 1980s would have been REALLY expensive and just not looked as good as if they could use real military hardware which turns out they could do.

[@darthshel1603]

Could anyone please summarize what he said in the video?

[@Sentinel3D]

Speaking of motorcycle chases, the chase on Venom, especially the antagonist in the control room barking orders during it, was 100% forced, and the most pointless part of the movie for me.

[@filmcourage]

What percentage of screenplays that you read would you say are unreadable?

[@Mparsley]

Better should know what percentage of readable screenplays are filmable

[@rakscyn]

I would not say the screenplays I read are "unreadable" but I dearly wish the industry could evolve to better, more dense formats. The grumpy side of me gets irked by encountering so many pages with so little content. I'd rather see a compact, two-column version of a scene --- all on a single page --- perhaps with some meta-comments-to-readers as well. In short, I'd like to see some genuine exploration, including performing user studies testing of such new formats (with readers in general, not just professional readers). Question: Are we still going to be using Final Draft (as is) decades from now???

[@paulbateman858]

10%, but then another %70 are poor in one significant way or another, 15% are ok and the last 5% range from good to inspired

[@davidbrown9414]

The format has to work for preproduction and production. The current standard evolved by trial and error in that crucible. I don't hear producers or directors bemoaning the standard format. It works. Maybe not for a writer's group or screenplay contest. But for making films.

[@rakscyn]

​@@davidbrown9414 Dear Dave. I agree with your comment (so please don't see this addendum as counterpoint, but rather more as me jumping on the trampoline you provided). My thinking is that the same initial structure (say of hierarchical hypertext sort) can be formatted in multiple formats, such that each professional gets what they prefer most. Where needed (and generally would be) changes propagate to the master structure and then out again to the various formats. What I think is of value is that the document functions provided --- beginning with professional readers reviewing screenplays to see of value --- can be different across professionals. Given only something like only 400 screenplays get made a year (out of over 100,000, only one in 250 created) means that most screenplays will never be seen by producers or directors. For this reason I vote for a format that is best for evaluation for merit --- and then once past that stage gate, marching toward production --- then proliferate to whatever other formats desired (including today's standard practice).

[@devinklassen9769]

Hard to take a great writer and producer seriously when in an interview he says "you know" every other sentence. I don't know, that's what story telling and the transfer of ideas is meant to do... to fill in what I don't know hahaha.

[@FAKKER_rap]

Fix s sound pls

[@klartext2225]

Writing from Germany: I give up on EVERY with a bloody YOU KNOW in every second phrase!!! You know? What's your problem, Jim??? Sometimes you are up to 3 YOUKNOWs in a sentence. Aaaaaarghhh.

[@jayajack4141]

lol, that means you dont know lololol

[@sonargoggles]

"You know"

[@AltairZielite]

"There's a movie like your movie." Really? How many Romantic-horror-tragedy-suspense-psychological-thriller-fantasy movies are there?

[@Theyungcity23]

Midsommar? Crimson Peak?

[@AltairZielite]

@@Theyungcity23 --- I'll check those out... thank you.

[@mukeshkhanal2964]

I really hate that Josh Olson reference. I read Josh Olson's piece in the Village Voice and also the response from David Gerrold (also published by Village Voice) in support of Josh Olson. Having read both their responses, I believe both are jackasses. Olson wrote one decent screenplay in his career: A History of Violence, and it was an adaptation. Not even his original idea. Every other script he has written has been crap. And have you seen Gerrold's IMDB? This guy gets to write an episode in some series every few years. And he feels he is high and mighty enough to say all the crap he says in that village voice piece. These guys wrote ONE decent script in their entire careers and they act like they are Dostoevsky.

[@kevinreily2529]

If you can’t take criticism don’t be a screenwriter. He is totally correct. Wannabes send lousy scripts out, before they are worth reading. #1 Novice screenwriting mistake!

[@pukabowers4353]

It better be perfect? No pressure then.

[@12ealDealOfficial]

James Cameron said the same thing over thirty years ago, and he has a point. The script for Terminator is exceptional.

[@filmtorres]

If page one doesn't grab me I won't go on to page two.

[@jasonnicholasschwarz7788]

You are bound to miss out on a lot of good stories/movies.

[@stanip25]

Sorry Jim, but this first 5 pages thing, is making people lazy. What's wrong with having a little patience and read. Judging book by the cover applies to this situation. Meaning you are judging the story based on the first 5 pages. (or judging the movie by the first 5 mins). Read or watch the entire thing! That's the only way to be sure if the story is good.

[@hauntedhose]

⚠️ What about all the crap that gets produced?? They don’t follow ANY of these “golden rules” yet there they are! 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@southlondon86]

Exactly! I want to see the interview regarding those.

[@hauntedhose]

@@southlondon86 right? Don’t get me wrong …they’re great rules, but too many shows just seem to bypass all of that and get produced anyway….

[@theweb1244]

@@hauntedhose He was the executive producer of Between Worlds. That said, he knows nothing but be hypocrite.

[@agoogleuser4410]

$50K. That's horrific.

[@filmcourage]

That definitely was surprising to hear.

[@UMNightlife]

@@filmcourage people offered me $100 to write a screenplay for them.

[@filmcourage]

We've interviewed a filmmaker who sold one of his early screenplays for $1.

[@UMNightlife]

@@filmcourage I have a shopping agreement for $1 for one of my screenplays, that is normal, but paying $50k is sheer insanity.

[@MegaRockstar48]

So answer my question……if scripts have to be perfect and honed with professional feedback then why are 99% of films made total rubbish???????

[@guiraus]

So that's why movies have so many shitty flashbacks.

[@TomorrowisYesterday]

Who here is taking writing advice from a guy who got 20% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes on his last writing gig (11 years ago)? Not to mention only 2 critics bothered to watch it and both gave it the lowest possible score.

[@jasonnicholasschwarz7788]

Arrogance.

[@theglanconer6463]

1 - 5) listening to and writing for the woke twitter mob, a tiny obnoxious segment of humankind. Just write a good interesting story and stop disrespecting the customers.

[@theweb1244]

He was the executive producer of Between Worlds, one of the worst movie and one that I wish I have never watched.

[@poiluparadis]

Your introduction should be perfect.

[@reesespieces8173]

"It better be perfect" yeah because every produced film in Hollywood is a perfect masterpiece backed by perfect scripts time and time again lol I hate this mentality. Plenty of flawed films are some of people's favorites and so many, an uncountable amount of flawed films, make billions of dollars. The Last Jedi anyone? Avatar? Any Marvel film in the last 5 years? Like what are we talking about here? If scripts NEED to be absolutely flawless then where are they in the film industry? Why are we consistently disappointed with big budget Hollywood films? Why is bad writing an epidemic in Hollywood produced cinema? It seems to be that perfection is only a prerequisite for people trying to break into the industry, but once you're already there you have full autonomy to write the most middling, dog shit stories known to the human race without ANY repercussions. Weird double standard.

[@reesespieces8173]

Can these Hollywood gatekeepers just at least apply the same standards that they demand of non-industry people to the industry professionals?

[@roathripper]

lipstick on a pig lol

[@NIKONGUY1960]

Kinda generic.

[@armannstraughter3296]

You mean his advice?

[@spacecatboy2962]

nobody dicks with my movie, its my way or the highway

[@chuzzbot]

Guy's like this are why movies are crap these days. Hey, how about being professional about reading a script? Screenplays are for the movie, not some joker's reading habits. Taking time out of his life? Get another job buddy.

[@Thenoobestgirl]

Who hurt you?

[@bigstabby]

I think it's important to distinguish what he's saying with how an ideal filmmaking industry should be. He's not saying it's right, he's just letting you know. But also, it takes that much time. How many screenplays are submitted per year? It sucks but it's kind of the only way.

[@southlondon86]

@@Thenoobestgirl Everyone hurt me. Please help.

[@raythackston1960]

The minute you put anything "woke" into a film just because it is "woke"...it becomes garbage.

[@crabdipp889]

It’s not because it’s socially progressive, its because they’re pandering in a cheap way that doesn’t actually do anything.

[@trevorthornley8835]

Yes.

[@mud6992]

You mean you don't like films that reflect political views that are different to yours.

[@DVSNCREW]

@@mud6992I think it means when you pander to the modern leftist ideology because you think it will sell due to its perceived popularity you no longer have art.