Editing Storage Guide: Best Setup for 2024

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@videotechieakd
@videotechieakd Жыл бұрын
Hi Chris and Leon, you are my teacher, hats off to your sequence of information you give, clarity and everything.. loads of ovation to you
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
Ah thanks! Wow, what a compliment. Glad you are enjoying the videos.
@papermelon
@papermelon 9 сағат бұрын
Been digging around the internet for a week now to learn more about external storage solutions, and it’s been super overwhelming. This video was beautifully made, and out of the hundreds I’ve watched, it’s BY FAR the most helpful and thorough. Thank you a ton!
@3KMediaSg
@3KMediaSg Жыл бұрын
THIS IS BY FAR THE BEST VIDEO ON KZbin ABOUT NAS OR PARTICULARLY STORAGE!
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@nadamuchu
@nadamuchu Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the captions! Im a deaf editor and deeply appreciate it!
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
You’re welcome!
@Rheis.C.Setter
@Rheis.C.Setter Жыл бұрын
Pausing half way through to say this video is amazing, I have been researching for days trying to find the right large storage system and this video has answered every one of my questions bueatifuly. Was so hard to get quality info on this topic thank you!
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
Perfect timing! Thank you so much for the kind words. We tried to cover all the questions we would ask too 😁
@BiodegradableYTP
@BiodegradableYTP Жыл бұрын
One of the biggest lessons I've learnt in my 4 years of freelance editing is you can *NEVER* have enough storage space.
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
Amen! We're with you there. And when a client sends you a last minute job... having spare storage there to take the files on is seriously impressive for them. Makes a really good professional impression.
@ernestoditerribile
@ernestoditerribile Жыл бұрын
@@FilmEditingPro but then you use real storage solutions from Oracle, NetApp and Promise. Synology isn’t really meant for professionals.
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
Hello Ernesto, what makes you say that Synology isn't meant for professionals and that their storage is any less 'real' than those other providers?
@ernestoditerribile
@ernestoditerribile Жыл бұрын
@@FilmEditingPro the data transfer speeds are really low. Especially when you compare them to NetApp OnTap and Promise Vtrak Solutions. Also the cheap processors (Intel D) and low memory don’t make them very viable for large RED RAW files and rendering them externally.
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
Hello Ernesto. You might be comparing apples and oranges there? Firstly... the speed of a Synology Diskstation (or QNAP) with physical HDDS is more than fast enough to edit 8k RedCode Raw. I should know! I do it regularly. Secondly... The solutions mentioned above cost considerably more than the solution we've suggested, of course they are faster! But much of their performance gains come from the fact that they rely heavily on SSDs. If you need more performance, you can fill a Synology DiskStation with SSDs. That would be a better comparison. Even better though would be to compare those solutions with one of Synology's All-Flash rack mount solutions. Thirdly... When it comes to rendering from redcode raw, the bottle neck for most people is more likely to be CPU or GPU power, not storage speed. Promise and NetApp make fantastic products. And I'm sure in many ways they are better than the Synology Diskstation that we've featured. They are after all an enterprise solution. We're not suggesting this is the right product for a production post-house with hundreds of editors... But for a lot of intermediate sized productions... it's a really interesting prospect.
@wearethefirehouse
@wearethefirehouse Жыл бұрын
Another thorough yet accessible video gents. I am a commercial editor working off a DS1821+ w 10gbe (ditched QNAP TS-H886) & this will be the video I send people asking for advice now!
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
So glad you like it! Thanks for the support.
@AlexAntohe
@AlexAntohe Жыл бұрын
The best video on youtube that properly explains the topic, amazing job guys!
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
Our pleasure Alex. Thanks
@PepeMyers
@PepeMyers Жыл бұрын
Really helpful! What I would love to see from you guys is a video about how you organize your projects on hardrives. Which folders for which files ? your workflow when it comes to ad sounds, do you duplicate them in your folder ? how do you stay organise to be able to share an entire project on hardrive ? Do you use project manager in adobe premiere when your project is done ? Hope I gave you some ideas :)
@herrpriller9299
@herrpriller9299 Жыл бұрын
Thats exactly the video I needed! Please do more hardware videos likes this. Love it!
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
More to come!
@OTWD
@OTWD 2 ай бұрын
This is a textbook excellent KZbin video. Thanks heaps for making it. Looking at a NAS for my editing files and you have clarified many of my questions.
@joshkny
@joshkny Жыл бұрын
This is one of the best video's I've seen on this topic for non-IT pros. My only criticism is that a UPS is absolutely necessary.
@karvinfernando3782
@karvinfernando3782 Жыл бұрын
I love how this is put together! Great work team! One critic I would add on SSD Cache- Through the last year, I have seen negligible benefit in using NVMEs for caching (at least for video workflows) because all most all files required are larger than what is eligible to be cached (per symbology's latest update). I had less that 10gig written to my cache on my 1TB NVME. Caching is more beneficial for docker containers and VMs.
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
Heya Karvin, yeah that's true. We're not seeing much benefit with the cache's on video workflows either. Thanks for your kind words about the video.
@STONJAUS_FILMS
@STONJAUS_FILMS 11 ай бұрын
I think the DIY option is a touch cheaper than calculated if you consider you might already have some of the HDDs and hardware that otherwise would sit somewhere doing nothing ... I turned all those individual HDDs, each containing a single project into a massive NAS... yes I bought the 10 GB ethernet cards and switch, but I can scale up massively compared to the bay limitation of other NAS. I struggle deleting finished projects, (I don't know why) but recently decided to start using davinci proxy generator to give me a 10 bit HD h265 version of the RAW files, so when the project is finished I only keep a way smaller version of the files and use the extra space and HDD to add it to my homemade TRUENAS SCALE. they way my projects roughly work, the client pays for 2 HDDs for the project. one goes to them and one stays with me for post production, most times after the project is finished they prefer to leave the second back up with me, if so, I can use those HDDs to add it to my ever growing home made NAS. Yes those are not NAS drives, and they fail after some years or months, but since I started using RAIDZ2 I had no issues or downtime. a BIG problem for me is that even after completely reinstalling truenas, the file's permissions and written in the filesystem itself so some bad configuration of permissions that I did when I was starting are still present until today and I cant seem to find a way to fix them ... some files written from one user cannot be deleted by other user, even tho both have full read write access rights. ... and managing my huge nas with now more than 20 drives on a consumer motherboard and consumer casing is getting way out of hand. Quick tip, since I'm impressed with the quality of those 10 bit h265 proxies, I have been "forcing" my clients to give me access to a cloud storage of their preference to store the proxies (under their expense), so even in the worst case scenario of both offices (mine and the client's) burning from a nuclear bomb or an accidental deletion, those files are still on the cloud (hopefully underground in another country). and with modern video enhance tools using AI you can literally save any project using those tiny proxy files even if your final output needs to be 4k.
@Butterflyfilmstudio
@Butterflyfilmstudio Жыл бұрын
This video couldn't have come at a better time. I'm in the middle of creating a pitch deck for the company I'm working for, and I'm looking into cloud storage and NAS systems. For cloud I'm looking at Lucid Link, and for NAS, I'm looking at synology. If you guys can show how you archive your projects after they're done or how you have other freelance editors from a large team send you finished whole project folders for you to archive, that would be awesome! Is there a workflow that you like to use, or are there other types that you've tried and that might work for specific industries? I work for a retail corporation with 6 clothing brands under it, and we create the content in-house, with about 40 or so creatives (photographers, video editors, video shooters, photo editors, and graphic designers)
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
Heya Danny, glad you enjoyed the video. It's possible for remote freelancers to upload content directly to a Synology Diskstation, if they are given appropriate user credentials. Manual uploads via a web interface can be troublesome though, as there are bound to be interruptions. We've had great success with 'Synology Drive'. It's their dropbox-like service that uses a Diskstation as the backend. Users can install a client that will synchronise a folder on their computer to the disk station. It's a useful tool for both delivering and receiving work files. With such a large team that includes many freelancers you will have to give consideration to folder structure, permissions and responsibilities though. We've had great success using Synology Drive. In past, some editors have used the Synology Drive software client. Others have smaller disk stations of their own. If you have a disk station , there's no need to install the Synology Drive software on your computer, as the disk station can take care of the synchronisation. All current projects are kept in a 'Current Projects' folder. As soon as a project reaches its end of life and the assets within have been sorted it is moved to an archive folder that is not synchronised. Shout if you have any more questions.
@Butterflyfilmstudio
@Butterflyfilmstudio Жыл бұрын
@@FilmEditingPro that was very helpful. Yea I’ve been scouring the internet since December tryna find a video like this. Would be great to see a comparison with a lucid link application vs synology. Or your current workflows from folder creation to archiving and maybe demo if you have a large pool of editors either in office or remote freelancers. Overall, I’m not kidding when I say this was the type of video I’ve been looking for when I first started research. Thanks again guys!🤙🏽
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
Thanks Danny. Please make sure you are subbed and feel free to share the video.
@ArturZygmunt
@ArturZygmunt Жыл бұрын
Oh my god, I never thought I would be glued to the screen watching about NAS stations :) you are great!
@karimshaker5009
@karimshaker5009 Жыл бұрын
This is a blast of a video, guys! Thank you very much. I'm working with a Lacie Big 2 RAID 0 of 2x10TBs connected to another drive (20 TBs) in constant back up, and I get capacity, some redundance and speed via thunderbolt 3, but only 1 machine is able to work at a time. The next step will be this kind of NAS solution :)
@JoeWayne84
@JoeWayne84 Жыл бұрын
Raid 1 most likely is what your using so you have two mirrors of the same data. Raid 0 is stripping the data between the 2 drives to have faster read and write but you have no redundancy.
@MarcRez3
@MarcRez3 9 ай бұрын
This video has helped me in the next step of storage for my production company. Thank you.
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro 9 ай бұрын
Glad it helped!
@IsNot_Carlos
@IsNot_Carlos 17 күн бұрын
Chris, Leon! Its Carlo From Mexico! You did a great job explaining this subject! i was feeling lost and your video enlightened me, so much production quality and also a very well written and comprehensive dialogue! i would love to learn about folder managment and avoiding having too many copies of one file How to be more organized when downloading raw files, storing them while their being used on current projects and then keeping an organized on the storage system. This is the virst video i see so il jump into your channel and check if you have something about the subject! Thank you guys!
@t3chnicolor
@t3chnicolor 9 ай бұрын
The lighting in these videos is so good 👌
@denver_video
@denver_video Жыл бұрын
I've loved the "editing rig storage setup / strategy" topic since 2006 when I saved up for my first RAID to cut HD woohoo! Thanks for the details about NAS setup in 2023. I'm daydreaming lately about how cool it is that proxy workflows are still the backbone of remote collaboration and speed. Great video with TONS of value and detail. Thank you so much for taking the time to craft a Masterclass! TJ
@footholdsituation
@footholdsituation 11 ай бұрын
This just came across in my recommended, but thought I'd share my setup because its a slight tweak to the NAS approach that I think is the best of both worlds. I'm a motion designer, so I'm not quite dealing with the same large individual file sizes you editors are, but 3D files very easily add up to hundreds of gigs or terabytes depending on the project. Anyway the TL;DR is to have a large local SSD and have it SYNC to your NAS. I get the speed and stability of local files while also having the redundancy and accessibility of the NAS. It's essentially the NVME cache you mentioned inside the NAS, but not limited by network speeds and more versatile. As I'm changing files, it's not a problem (at least for my needs) if they sync to the NAS at slightly slower speeds. Practically speaking, they're always on the NAS when I need them. Once you're done with a project there's an option to not sync that folder anymore and...boom! Space cleared on your local SSD and you've got the whole project safely tucked away in your NAS.
@whaletune
@whaletune Жыл бұрын
Excellent video, gentlemen. Your timing is also perfect. I need to migrate from my Drobo (which I love) to a company still in business. Your twelve bay solution is spot on.
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
Ah good! So happy it was helpful.
@thegoldenhours
@thegoldenhours 5 ай бұрын
Great point on having a UPS, power failure is the most likely reason for a serious failure.
@Ride_XP
@Ride_XP 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for this! So helpful. All killer no filler, thanks for the one of the most informative, concise, and engagingly-edited videos on any technical video-related topic I’ve watched. Appreciate your hard work!
@peterallen6608
@peterallen6608 Жыл бұрын
As an IT professional, I would like to correct a bit of knowledge you presented at the beginning of your video. You mentioned the 3,2,1 rule. Here you said that you should have 3 copies, in 2 places at any 1 time. That is partially correct. It should be 3 Copies of Data, 2 Types of Media, and 1 Copy Off Site.
@christophrcolon
@christophrcolon Жыл бұрын
This is such an amazing video! Thank you guys so much for this. I'd be curious to see what you're day-to-day storage is like. From shooting raw footage to SSD to SSD back-up to the raid, etc. Thanks!
@ztownmedia
@ztownmedia Жыл бұрын
You guys knocked it out of the park with this video. Very easy to follow, and informational - Thank you so much! Quick question: I currently have the DS920+ and I'm looking to take advantage of Synology's remote access feature as well as Adobe's Team Project tool. You guys touched on it briefly at the @1:00 mark in the video, but was wondering if you have another video going into more detail about this. My goal is to work with a go-to remote editor that has access to all of our footage, and doesn't have to download anything onto their personal computer. It's just shared via the Synology Network, and we'd work within Adobe Team Projects. Thanks again!
@charminbaer2323
@charminbaer2323 10 ай бұрын
In some instances, you're better off taking an old computer and making it into your home server and go with a DAS instead of NAS for much less. I have 2 OWC Thunderbay 4 RAID enclosures, one is a mini that uses 2.5" SSD's. I purchased the enclosures used for around $100 each. The smaller enclosures is my main RAID drive with 8TB total storage that holds my Lightroom RAWs. The bigger enclosure holds 4 HDDs for 16TB storage and is a direct backup of my main RAID drive. An old 2013 15" MBP is my server. Time Machine backups are also done to an SSD attached to the MBP server. It's all running on 1 gig ethernet, which as a photographer is more than adequate but I will soon upgrade to 2.5Gbe as I already have CAT6 wiring. I love that I can access my photos wirelessly, but when I dock to my Thunderbolt Display, I have a faster and more reliable 1Gbe. I just have to order some 2.5Gbe switches and USB to 2.5Gbe adapters and I'll be upgraded.
@ToxicGaming-mk4bi
@ToxicGaming-mk4bi 10 ай бұрын
Query: I currently possess two server PCs, each equipped with 2 TB NVMe storage, totaling 4 TB of fast storage utilized by our team of 20 editors for direct editing. This setup significantly reduces data transfer time. I'm contemplating upgrading to 4x 4 TB NVMe drives, expanding our storage capacity from 4 TB to 16 TB at an estimated cost of $1000. Is this the optimal course, or should I consider investing in a NAS? Our primary concern is maintaining fast storage accessibility for the entire team to work collaboratively.
@alexpaul7573
@alexpaul7573 10 ай бұрын
Are you guys still happy doing the SSD caching? We're about to build a NAS and trying to decide between doing that or using SSD for volume with current projects and HDD for anything older
@samuelmoser
@samuelmoser Жыл бұрын
I have a self-built TrueNas NAS at home. It is so great. A normal computer has a few more benefits than qnap or synology nas's. For example I can also use VMs or I have installed synching. Syncthing automatically synchronizes certain folders to my NAS.
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for watching and commenting. That's good to know. I'm not too sure about QNAP, but I'm pretty sure you can run VMs on a Synology Diskstation. You can definitely setup folder syncs. I feel like there has been some confusion in the comments, just to clear it up... custom made NASs are awesome. We just know a lot of people don't have the time or the ability to build them.
@GoatFriends
@GoatFriends Жыл бұрын
Beautifully explained and wonderfully constructed! Best way to take advantage of Iphone 15 pro max video video next?
@editronos
@editronos Жыл бұрын
Amazing content. I dont know what to say.. Please keep up the good work!
@cocadmin
@cocadmin Жыл бұрын
How does your workflow works now that you are all using NAS, do you sync them automatically or just download what you need from each other ? thanks for the review!
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
We use Synology Drive (a file syncing program from Synology) to synchronise 'working folders' between our NASs. There's no point keeping archives synchronised, they just live in one place on our central server. When we need to use those files, we move them to one of the working folders to automatically get synchronised.
@ericguizzetti
@ericguizzetti Жыл бұрын
great video! I work with Point Clouds and one project can be a terabyte. Storage is a never ending issue for me.
@Doctaj54
@Doctaj54 5 ай бұрын
Thanks Any updates planned for this video to see how things are going with the NAS setups? Drive noise? Functional performance?
@danielkuzev4992
@danielkuzev4992 Жыл бұрын
Gentlemen, this was a great video for people who are new to NAS or considering it. I am not in the video editing domain, but in the LiDAR scanning, point cloud generation, and something like this will help me a lot!
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
So happy to hear! Yeah, it’s a great solution for other types of work that produce lots of data.
@amatisart
@amatisart Жыл бұрын
You’re channel just become my fav channel. Thank you for the amazing information! 🙏
@motioneyedroneservices
@motioneyedroneservices Жыл бұрын
I have an old Synology NAS that I have set up as RAID 5 (IIRC) that gives me 8TB of storage which is fine for what I do at this time. I love having a NAS and I can edit 4K directly from the NAS even though they are older HDD.
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
Awesome! I couldn't work without a NAS now :)
@zephyrkhambatta
@zephyrkhambatta 3 ай бұрын
I’m about to buy a second hand 414J+ from a friend to try my first set up ever and I need to edit both videos on iMovie and music on Logic Pro X. Is that about as old as yours or is it too old? And if it’s around the same level of old, does it work fine?
@motioneyedroneservices
@motioneyedroneservices 3 ай бұрын
@@zephyrkhambatta It's probably newer than mine, I got the NAS from a friend that had been using it for many years. I think that Synology just dropped support for this particular NAS just recently. I would say though that I run everything on ethernet including the desktop. The only downside is when it goes to sleep, it will take a little bit to "wake up" and spin up the drives.
@dcefola
@dcefola 11 ай бұрын
love the video! great breakdown of your approach. I have a similar setup, NAS with 10gb network. I am curious how you share files across the NAS to your other editors. I am looking into expanding my team and want to know what the others will need if they don't have a NAS themselves.
@northtosouthmedia
@northtosouthmedia 8 ай бұрын
First video I see from you guys. First time I hear about you guys. I'm subscribing! You guys are awesome. Thank you!
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro 8 ай бұрын
Welcome and thank you! 👍🎞🎬
@Rocketlandcreative
@Rocketlandcreative Жыл бұрын
Great video and some wonderful information! Here's my question. I have a home editing suite, where I am the only one who edits from this edit suite. I have upgraded to the Mac Studio Ultra, with the M2 chip (which is a huge upgrade from my 2017 iMac!). Like you mentioned in this video, I utilize a lot of external SSD drives for client projects, and the amount of drives I have lying around gets to be overwhelming. The Mac Studio has Thunderbolt 4 connections, so if possible, I would love to utilize the speed of those for a new editing storage solution. I'm just trying to figure out what options would be best for this type of setup, where I don't need access remotely, but rather just speed, redundancy and cost effective. If you have any thoughts, that would be great! Thanks!!
@levelonedrone242
@levelonedrone242 Жыл бұрын
As a beginner looking for storage options this is alot to take in. Networks, switches and alot of jargon im unfamiliar with. It will take some time to fully understand how I can set up a NAS system. I thought it was just plug and play but there is obviously a process.
@YannisStergioulis
@YannisStergioulis Жыл бұрын
Great video and thank you!! I have some requests for future videos if you like: 1) Synology + BMD Cloud collaboration and 2) Color grading panels comparison for DaVinci.
@Mike0193Azul
@Mike0193Azul Жыл бұрын
Very helpful video 💚
@cnex101
@cnex101 11 ай бұрын
With your Synology NAS units, do you have them setup to sync between the many sites? Do you pay for off-site, 3rd party backup of your NAS like BackBlaze, Azure, AWS, Google Cloud, or are you still using Dropbox to sync between your editors?
@miki97xy
@miki97xy 4 күн бұрын
really well done video covering all the aspects of the topic
@BrianMarcWhittaker
@BrianMarcWhittaker 6 ай бұрын
I’m considering an OWC RAID 5, but this looks like a good option too. Especially if I have multiple computers.
@Jebsvibe
@Jebsvibe Жыл бұрын
Amazing video! Very easy to learn and very clear.
@rasmuspreston
@rasmuspreston Жыл бұрын
Very well put together. Thank you! And talking about the warnings for non-Synology drives shows integrity. Great!
@ketchupsos5817
@ketchupsos5817 9 ай бұрын
i was suucked into this video i never watch a whole vid great job guys.
@shashwatdwivedi8184
@shashwatdwivedi8184 Жыл бұрын
Your content is diamond !
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
Thanks Shashwat! Glad you enjoyed it.
@PhillGraaf
@PhillGraaf 8 ай бұрын
Incredibly well done video... I am in awe. All of this is so expensive... But so necessary at some point 🙈
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro 8 ай бұрын
It really is useful once you get it set up!
@KristopherSatchell
@KristopherSatchell 11 ай бұрын
I just upgraded my streaming pc, using my old computer as a NAS unit sounds appealing
@timebendpictures
@timebendpictures 7 ай бұрын
So so useful! Thank you for making this video!
@John_Hudson_922
@John_Hudson_922 Жыл бұрын
this video is incredibly thorough
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@VandalFX
@VandalFX Ай бұрын
Thank you for this informative video. I have a question. If I configure the NVME SSD cache capacity to 2TBx2EA or 4TBx2EA, will the cache still be effective?
@lucianoorlievsky5164
@lucianoorlievsky5164 7 ай бұрын
That was a solid review. Thank you!
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro 7 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful! 👍🎞🎬
@disruptiveangst9709
@disruptiveangst9709 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the breakdown on this premium system. Something I may able to think about in a few years. Any recommendations for the 1k and under folks?
@whitexeno
@whitexeno 11 ай бұрын
Something to also be wary of when choosing disks is that you want a CMD disk and not a SMR as the performance is worse. Its not something listed on the label and you'll have to research the specific disk you are looking at.
@elevationuavas
@elevationuavas Жыл бұрын
Very helpful and informative! Thank you!
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
You are so welcome!
@RaviEdit
@RaviEdit Жыл бұрын
Finally ordered my SSD today!!
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
Congrats Ravi!
@LeonChase
@LeonChase Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU for making the clearest explanation I have ever found on the subject. Question for you (or anyone else who might know): If my internet connection is not great (around 1GB), should I bother with an NAS system?
@CavDelta
@CavDelta Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video!
@DavidHutchison
@DavidHutchison Жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed the video guys. Very well produced. I'd like to know if you use each other's NAS to create that offsite redundancy / backup? If so, details of how you manage this and software process would be great to see.
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
At the moment we use Dropbox to fully backup the NAS in the cloud.
@jigsound
@jigsound Жыл бұрын
What a fantastic video, covering all the basics of this kind of setup! 👏😎 I'm still hesitant to connect my Diskstations to the internet (Now just using them locally, mirroring one to the other with HyperBackup). What is your secure setup for updating the offsite backup? Would it be safer to just expose the "mirror" NAS to the internet for mirroring _it_ to a third, off-site NAS? - Eero
@trayneadjeifilms
@trayneadjeifilms Жыл бұрын
Amazing video thank you! The way everything was broken down was excellent. I would love a video that expands on the different in speeds for each type of set up in correlation to the type of footage being edited. I think the read and write speeds of a normal raid not on a network were missing in the speed test section. Great Video! Can't wait to buy the course.
@kernzilla
@kernzilla 6 ай бұрын
feel like 12-disk array should have seen better read/write speeds? not sure i could deal with those speeds considering the investment of such centric/primary hub of workflow.
@rileysabo8915
@rileysabo8915 Жыл бұрын
Great video Leon and Chris! I appreciate the information and easy to understand form you conveyed it in. Keep on creating.
@NiitLifeCreative
@NiitLifeCreative Жыл бұрын
Very well done and produced video!
@nathanmodl
@nathanmodl Жыл бұрын
When you talk about scaling up when you need more storage, are you talking about getting a larger Synology unit that will hold all you stuff plus more and getting rid of the old one. OR can you use multiple Synology units together? Thank you!
@avcreations2494
@avcreations2494 10 ай бұрын
Guys, this is phenominal info! thanks.
@laughingvampire7555
@laughingvampire7555 8 ай бұрын
interesting explanation of the 3-2-1 rule because LTT usually says: 3 copies, 2 media, 1 copy offsite
@mondotv4216
@mondotv4216 Жыл бұрын
Good primer video on NAS but I'm not sure in 2023 we should be recommending editing off spinning disks. First of all your limited to that 400MB/s (which is quite slow for a 12 disk NAS and is probably bottlenecked by the processor) and also limited by HD access and seek times. Secondly, when the NAS goes to sleep you have to wait for all your disks to spin up before you can edit again. It's a step backwards if you've been working of USB SSDs and an even larger step if working off Thunderbolt SSDs. I think a tiered system with 2 x 4TB NVME's in a RAID 0 that is automatically backed up to your protected NAS spinning disks is my preferred option.
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
Hello, thanks so much for watching and we appreciate your comment! Yes SSDs offer superior performance, but physical disks when configured with RAID still offer enough performance for even demanding codecs at high resolutions. They also have longer endurance than SSDs Processor speeds aren't typically a limiting factor for disk access speed. If you have 10gb network, then not even your network would be a bottleneck. Our NASs run permanently. So sleeping isn't an issue. SSDs are superior in many ways, but Physical Disks are still more than capable in modern workflows. Having 100+ TB of instantly accessible high speed storage, without having to sell the car is incredibly valuable.
@georgemorganphotography9714
@georgemorganphotography9714 6 ай бұрын
Hi there, would it make sense just to have a 5-Bay NAS on my desktop and hardwire it to my computer over usb for faster transfer speeds? Then connect it to my wifi network in case I’d like remote access? Or should I really have it hardwired to my router, and back-up/load files wireless over my 5ghz network? I really don’t have the option to have it hardwired to both the internet and my computer unfortunately….only one or the other.
@scottdaily8
@scottdaily8 Жыл бұрын
Great video! I do see different interpretations of the 321 strategy though. Most M&E storage professionals I follow recommend....3 copies of your data, 2 different storage media (HDD, LTO, Cloud etc), 1 copy offsite.
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
Ah that's good to know. Thanks, and glad you enjoyed the view.
@amarlohana
@amarlohana Жыл бұрын
Hello great video. You talked about a 3/2/1 solution. But the NAS storage you built is only 1. So do you have two of those NAS setups locally and a remote backup?
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
Yes!
@patrickkurmann
@patrickkurmann Жыл бұрын
I like your co-authoring video presentation
@matthewmcnulty1358
@matthewmcnulty1358 Жыл бұрын
I love my Synology 40tb NAS! Becuase my work network is slow I use it for storage and edit locally with a GTECH Thunderbolt. I striped the NAS RAID 5 as well.
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
That's a great workflow too. We've had great success using proxies when the network can't handle the speed.
@matthewmcnulty1358
@matthewmcnulty1358 Жыл бұрын
@@FilmEditingPro Admittedly I am a bit ignorant of proxies and... you should do a video on that too!
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
That's a great idea for a future video. Thanks.
@kevinciotta
@kevinciotta 8 ай бұрын
amazing value given in this video! really loving it and subscribed for the future!!
@DanielHanka
@DanielHanka Жыл бұрын
thanks for this video, great job!
@jubedphotoandfilm
@jubedphotoandfilm 10 ай бұрын
This was very informative. I found a very useful thank you very much.
@markandrewfenton
@markandrewfenton Жыл бұрын
Great and helpful video! Question - does that warning prevent you from receiving other warnings about SMART status, or bad sectors or temperature readings?
@ywl.5465
@ywl.5465 Жыл бұрын
I assume you run video editing software like Davinci Resolve on your PC/Mac. How do you connect your video editing software to NAS? SMB/NFS? or any other way?
@kernzilla
@kernzilla 5 ай бұрын
Great content aside, HAD to chime in to commend the intro 👌👏👌 coil hard drive shot highly enjoyable 💯
@Aerolk98
@Aerolk98 Жыл бұрын
Would love to hear if you have a system for cataloging footage, for example if you want a drone shot from somewhere if you can search it quickly on a system. Currently we are searching for a solution on our studio but can't find one program that only does that, most often it is a more sophisticated MAM system.
@SooksVI
@SooksVI Жыл бұрын
I'm a little puzzled by your speeds on a 10Gb network with the amount of drives you have. To my understanding, the speed should increase with each drive added until it saturates the SATA interface of the drives. With my current DS1522+ and only 3 drives installed (one used for parity), I'm reaching the same 450MB speeds. I expect to hit at least 600MB when I add my next two drives. Make sure to enable Jumbo Frames on the NAS and network card in your computer. UPDATE: My transfer speeds now hover between 650 and 800 with all 5 bays full.
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
Performance does increase with additional drives, but it does not scale linearly. There are performance penalties when using RAID. For RAID 5, you can calculate the decrease in performance with the following formula: NX/4 (where N is the number of drives and X is the performance of a single drive). So optimistically if a single drive can run at 300MB per second, then 12 drives would run at: 12 x 300 / 4 That gives a theoretical performance of 900MB per second. Actual performance will of course be lower. Performance stats can be distorted by solid state caches. To get the real performance of a drive you need to perform a transfer that completely saturates the drive or NAS's cache. It's difficult to compare stats without knowing the testing method you used. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching.
@TechboyUK
@TechboyUK Жыл бұрын
Great video, but you didn't talk about your offsite backup solution. With Synology you could each purchase disks to be hosted in each others NAS. The data would be encrypted, so only you would be able to access it. Or you could sync to a cloud provider.
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
Yes, both great options! We sync to Dropbox.
@TechboyUK
@TechboyUK Жыл бұрын
@@FilmEditingPro Thanks for the reply 👍
@onewech6848
@onewech6848 Жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you so much for sharing. Just wondering what monitor do you use or any recommendations for a good one to use with Mac system?
@jonicolton
@jonicolton Жыл бұрын
Just built my first workstation, supports 6 x SATA SSD 6Gb/s ports. Can I create RAID here? Is this an alternative to using a NAS?
@RealThore
@RealThore Жыл бұрын
For the cost comparison you should also have a look at performance. I'm coming from a custom built server using unraid and got a Synology NAS a few weeks ago. The performane you get for 1000€ (just for the NAS) is pretty bad compared to a server for the same money (or even half the price)
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
Do you have actual performance numbers? It would be interesting to see what areas it falls behind in.
@RealThore
@RealThore Жыл бұрын
@@FilmEditingPro i use my DS1621+ for some docker containers (pihole, Unifi controller, nextcloud) and a windows 11 machine and they perform not that great compared to a machine with more performance. Haven’t had a look at current pricing but some last gen AMD ryzen cpu is so much faster. Geekbench says it’s about 2900 points in single core and 10000 points in multicore for the V1500b, the 3700x goes up to 6000 single and 35-40k multi core
@arriyadsafioftaekwondoasso4699
@arriyadsafioftaekwondoasso4699 Жыл бұрын
Finally ❤ ... thanks a lot... the most important subject 👏 ... from professional Channel and team ... presented professionally ... awesome 👌
@Reno_T
@Reno_T Жыл бұрын
I think it’s the more complete video about storage ever ! Great video guys 🙌🏻
@michaelkatetei2151
@michaelkatetei2151 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this, I've been thinking of getting a NAS but I wasn't sure what direction to go. This has clarified alot of things for me especially with all the new technology available. We I'd love more tutorials on hardware for us professional freelancers
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
Thanks Michael. glad the video was helpful.
@TrueEssencePhotography
@TrueEssencePhotography Жыл бұрын
I'm currently running a Synology DS1821+ and have two nvme read-only caches loaded with eight exos drives, different sizes, and I get at min at least 1076 MB read and 987 write. But I'm also running SHR-1 instead of SHR-2, but it shouldn't make that big of a difference regarding speed. I'm using an Unifi Based switch and system running 10gbe throughout my network.
@douggottlieb
@douggottlieb Жыл бұрын
How do you backup your terabytes (petabytes?) of data?
@aliaghil1
@aliaghil1 Жыл бұрын
really like the way you guys explain things, nice! 👍👍
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
Thanks Ali
@SDallender
@SDallender Жыл бұрын
This was massively helpful
@SDallender
@SDallender Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@FilmEditingPro
@FilmEditingPro Жыл бұрын
You’re welcome, Simon!
@mariodasilva8729
@mariodasilva8729 Жыл бұрын
Hi. I used to use a fast PC with Adobe editing software, and loading the raw footage onto my 7200rpm removable hard drives, one per project. NOW I still have the Hard drives with the Footage, but TODAY, I am using a MAC Studio for editing. I'm told I need to copy all my files off each hard disk to a temporary storage, REFORMAT those hard disks to EXFAT, and reload the Footage back to these hard drives. Is this true, if I don't want to lose my past footages? Is there an easier way to do this, or is thiss the only way?
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