Video Editing on a NAS - 5 MISTAKES PEOPLE ALWAYS MAKE

[@cnex101]

For video editing, I utilize the Synology Drive to sync the files between a local drive and the NAS. Drop the active project into the sync folder and let the application do the work. I do my work off of the local drive. Seems to work well. When I am done with the project I simply move the project to the archive folder. I this frees up the space on the sync folder.

[@ruek66]

Agree with you fully, but a major obstacle for speed are the HD’s populating the NAS! If you have fixed the 5 points and still running on slow HDD’s (80-100mbs) you will not have a smooth experience! This is where either faster HDD’s or SSD/NVME kicks in, as the read speed is now the major kicker.

[@GregShaw]

What a brilliant video. No BS, upselling, just the facts!! After 10 seconds of watching I knew this was going to be a good video and you have certainly helped me with the upgrade decision I currently have.

[@IntoxicatedVortex]

If you're a video editor and want a smooth experience go with a minimum of a 6-bay, preferably an 8-bay, and populate it with at least 5 drives from the outset. And then add 10GbE at both ends (NAS and computer) and an SSD cache if you can. When you fill it buy another one. The reason for this is that if you start with 8TB drives and you then add a couple of 16TB to your NAS the storage pool will see those 16TB drive as 8TB drives. There's not a lot of gain for that until you've gone all 16TB drives to them extend the storage pool into the full 16TB of drive space across all drives. Sure you can use something like Synology's SHR to be able to mix and match drive sizes, but you leave performance on the table by doing that. If you're doing Plex who cares, but when performance is important you shouldn't throw it away on a dat to day basis over something you "could" do in the future. Go RAID 5 or 6. Once you've fully populated the bays and want to go with bigger drives where will your old drives go? Just because you've just bought new larger drives doesn't mean your smaller old drives are of no use and immediately stop working for you. But they still need to be inside something. Even if the process is to buy the new one, transition, then sell the old one… the best route is to just buy new once you're full.

[@DaBadNewz]

Definitely appreciate the scalability breakdown! Feel like you called me out directly (as I'm sitting here shopping around trying to fully populate a 4 bay). Now I think I may reconsider that choice!

[@Elgar337]

Been googling and searching on youtube for a couple of weeks trying to figure this shit out. This video was by far the most helpful.

[@Alperic27]

well … only issue is the misinformation it contains… the dude does not really understand some of the details that DO matter

[@LordeLIFE]

Your channel is OUTSTANDING. THANK YOU. 🤘🏾

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

Editing directly off a NAS requires a pro-level setup fully take advantages of that. However, this is overkill for most folks. Instead, just save your original, full resolution video files on a NAS and use local storage for proxies. Even 1GbE is perfectly fine for this setup. Additional networking ability simply speeds up the transfer of the originals. The next level up, if you have the networking setup for it, would be to save your proxies on a NAS too if you are working with multiple editors on the same network. If you are a solo video editor, just stick with local proxies + NAS originals. If needed, grab a fast USB 3/4 or Thunderbolt external disk if your system doesn't have enough space natively. Those are so much cheaper than going pro with a NAS setup. One issue with Thunderbolt is that cables are limited to 2 meters (about 6 ft) at full 40 Gbps. I'd prefer to put my NAS in a closet somewhere so I can't hear it and use a TB 10g network adapter instead (provided my network is setup for 10g). Granted, that's overkill for me.

[@Alperic27]

dude, TB is NOT 40gbe … when u fully understand the spec. but do NOT believe me, READ THE SPEC

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

@@Alperic27 I think you missed the point of the post. Basically, it's all overkill for most users considering consumer grade equipment. Just use proxy media and even cloud storage will be sufficient.

[@Alperic27]

editing off the nas does not require ‘pro grade’ … but to each their own…

[@bravefilmsco]

This was actually helpful. Thank you!

[@PleasantsProductions]

I absolutely love how you make what has been a nightmare to understand so that even I can understand. Thank you so much!

[@Alperic27]

the problem is there is a lot of untrue sh.. in what he says…. .. only when when u really understand what he babbles about do you realize the degree od misinformation

[@mondotv4216]

I've always found the other advantage of iSCSI is that there is way less overhead than the network protocols. The access is much faster.

[@XhawathyDev]

Outstanding and very unique and technical approach. Thanks ❤

[@dezmondwhitney1208]

A Proper Education. No Question.

[@DavidM2002]

I have no interest, for the most part, in video editing but I really enjoyed the video and always learn a lot from you Robbie. Forewarned is forearmed. Thanks very much. ( P.S.... I see a hummingbird on that box over your right shoulder. Good choice; far quieter and tiny poops.)

[@prestonurvina]

Just had a NAS sent to me that has a 2.5g port and a 10g port. Can I take the 2.5g port, and run that to the switch, and run the 10g straight to my MacBook?

[@meckerhesseausfrankfurt4019]

Disagree with the "ARM" section of the video. It is not that a RISC (Reduced Instruction Set Computer) architecture is "more compressed". The line between RISC and CISC architechtures has actually become quite blurry over the last decades. Yes, ARM organizes and processes data differently and was originally designed for very efficient, low-power devices. However, that doesn't mean that one cannot design a high-performance ARM CPU. Apple's M1 / M2 line for example is very wide when it comes to execution units and can hang with the best of them when it comes to latency and raw performance. The real problem with cheap NASes using ARM chips is that they simply choose the cheapest available processor instead of the one best suited for the task. And other than X86, where most CPU fall somewhat into the same price / performance spectrum (x86 simply doesn't cater to the 10$ toy market), with ARM there are so many more designs, especially ultra-cheap ones.

[@meckerhesseausfrankfurt4019]

And even high-performance ARM chips might have their strengths in other areas (e.g. media processing etc.). There are of course specialized ARM server CPUs, but e.g. an Ampere Altra is far to expensive and powerful for a home NAS. So while the advice "Avoid most / all ARM-equipped NASes" might still be valid, the reasons given are not entirely correct.

[@alexsarbu3978]

@@meckerhesseausfrankfurt4019 If I'm not mistaken, QNAP has an ARM model targeted at AI image recognition.

[@SpelliZNX]

I would like to add that the only place CISC still exists is at the ISA level. Since the Pentium Pro (released 1995) all Intel processors take CISC instructions, convert them to RISC internally and execute that. See "micro-op decode". AMD did the same but I don't know when exactly, probably around the same time as Intel. There is no CISC in hardware any more, and for good reason: clock scaling. analogous cause to the IDE=>SATA and PCI=>PCIE transitions, as you increase clock to get more bandwidth, parallel buses get harder to synchronize. at some point you get so many errors it doesn't make sense any more, and instead an approach using multiple asynchronous paths and some extra management yields a lot more performance.

[@themodesttraveler745]

Nas Master synology should make there expantion boxes cuch as the DX517 . and give then an pci expantion port to put 10 gbe in it i really think they missed out . they could make a fortune

[@BabusGameRoom]

15:20 love the subtitles...thunderbolt WHAT now?? ahaha

[@trevorweaver2364]

Great information as always. Thanks

[@movia3180]

Thank you! Super helpful.

[@HansJelles]

Thank you for this information. I am thinking of the following, may I ask your opinion about that? I am a one person videoproducer and on this moment editing my 4K footage, of live projects, from a SSD with a 40Gbps case over thunderbolt 3 that works fast en stable (read and write speed is around 2000 MB/s). I like to add a NAS as a sync to my system, so it sync the data from my work SSD to the NAS (say every 30 minutes with Carbon copy cloner). The speed of the NAS is then not the big bottleneck anymore, the sync interval is the only risk issue in my understanding.

[@GusEcoProductions]

I was thinking of buying an Asustor Lockerstor 8, to connect it via 10GB LAN to three Windows PCs (with 10GB cards) for 4K video editing in a RAID6 with 6 drives and two drives in a RAID1 for backups. Also I will update the RAM to 16 and use M2 drives for caching as well. Is this going to work? Are we going to be ok with editing performance?

[@vladromas]

I couldn't find iSCSI client for Mac (Ventura)...(((((

[@tombouie]

Hmmmmmmm ..... it would seem the simplest means to editing photos/video might be on a local client computer with a large SSD via 'synology drive' remote caching. The crux question is ?Will fancy photo/video application work-well with synology drive remote caching?

[@BrianDavids]

I think you are asking about Premiere cache? If that is the case, we do all our editing on our DS1821+ with Cache set to the project folder on the NAS. No issues with Premiere.

[@tombouie]

@@BrianDavids Thks

[@albertpena946]

@@BrianDavidsBrian, can you explain me a little more your config? I’m trying to make an offer for a 4 editing people in a customer and I want to be sure that Premiere is well configured.

[@robertbistone5366]

Do you do a lot of beak?

[@MRrwmac]

great information and wonderful explaination11 thqnk you very much!

[@andrewbroadfort6856]

Do you have a video that highlights the performance issue you are highlighting with ARM based NAS products? Just for kicks I'm editing video using Davinci resolve directly off of my NAS. Seems to work fine for me and my NAS has an lowly Atom processor. Both my ARM based workstation (M1 Max) and my NAS are using 10 gigabit.

[@nicolaifranz4272]

Your Intel Atom is x86 though. And you can't compare your M1 Max since it's a high performance CPU. Most ARM based NAS CPUs are pretty slow

[@Alperic27]

ARM is not a general synonymous for ‘perf issues’ … .. ARM is just a ‘kind of cpu design’ that is energy efficient. but as there are maaaaany x86 procs, there are many ARM based cpus… the most powerful ones being the ones apple makes for their recent macs. but unless u r looking at very recent ARM procs (apple qualcom) then ARM procs usually do NOT have hardware support for video codecs… hence the ‘arm nas cant do plex’ broad brush stroke

[@up-close]

Only Ironwolf Pro NAS's have the data protection.

[@AndersBakfeldt]

my head hurts..

[@mikehaddon3007]

Are you available for consultation? I am based in Salisbury UK

[@nascompares]

Hi Mike. Yep, you can look at some support options via the links below. They range from totally free, to a token sum to a full consultation nascompares.com/contact-us/ ko-fi.com/nascompares/commissions

[@liowyew]

Max hard disk storage that NAS can accommodate is 18TB. Next year hard disk will come in 22TB. By then, NAS cannot accept 22TB.

[@BrianDavids]

Synology is conservative. I put unsupported 20TB Drives in my DS1821+. Next year I will put unsupported 22TB drives in my system. They work even though Synology hasn't tested them. I only use Enterprise drives.

[@ThePeterR66]

where are the seagulls? Is it not an SMR youtube chanel?

[@nascompares]

*strokes wing provocatively* *gets thrown out of bbq restaurant*

[@ThePeterR66]

supervideo. Thank you

[@nascompares]

Cheers

[@Alperic27]

the only issue is the degree of misinformation… dude, you clearly dont understand certain things..

[@davideastaugh8896]

You da man

[@azwb]

Been looking forward to a video like this. As a Newbie - There is so little information about the Mininum MB/s speed is required to edit 4k videos with 4 layers of footage. Is it 250Mb/s, 300MB/s, 350MB/s, 400MB/s, 450MB/s - I know more is better. Also - Will a single 2.5GBe ethernet be enough bandwidth for 1 editor?? I have scoured the internet and can not find Base numbers to these questions. Perhaps the author can shed some light on these questions?

[@eddiegomez4134]

What setup are you consider? Also trying to get into this.

[@Lucy-dk5cz]

Create proxies and keep them on local drive. Lot easier solution

[@MoD_Master_Of_Disaster_]

Install the Blackmagic disk performance utility on your workstation and run the performance test the various disks you have, incl a mounted network volume. You'll be amazed at the outcome. It will show you statistics for various video formats.

[@PeteManabat]

2.5 should be enough bandwidth. Make sure you’re editing in prores or editing formats rather than in h264. It only plays back 1 clip at a time unless you edit multi cam or split screens. Proxies help too if you can’t upgrade to 10gbe

[@IntoxicatedVortex]

My recommendation is just bite the bullet and go 10GbE. You can connect your computer directly to the NAS 10GbE port meaning you don't need to buy a 10GbE switch… it just means only your computer will connect to that 10GbE port, which I think is ok. It depends on what sort of workflow you want to have though. But what I would suggest to you if budget is important is to look at SMB3 multi-channel. If you plug the 2 NAS ethernet ports into a switch and then have 2 network connections to your computer SMB3 multi-channel is able to use the bandwidth of both connections. So your 2 x 1GbE connections will be in essence a single 2GbE connection. Do that and see if its enough for you. If it isn't then you know you need to go 10GbE. So realistically when buying your NAS buy one that can be upgraded to 10GbE if it doesn't have it already.

[@Matlockization]

Can you raid across a few partitions on one big drive ?

[@Lucy-dk5cz]

No

[@Andisend]

? ZFS ? .. TrueNAS Scale ?

[@ileskovar]

NO!!!

[@Matlockization]

@@Lucy-dk5cz Ok.

[@Matlockization]

@@ileskovar Thanks.

[@US_Joe]

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[@elcuboderubik]

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