Filming In National Parks is Possible Again...

[@ScottyDaum-o4x]

I can't imagine how much time you must have invested in research in order to explain this issue so well. Hell, I can't imagine how much time just to write the script, much less perform and edit the whole thing into a concise presentation. Thank you soooo much for keeping us informed in such a factual and proffesional way.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Thank you so much for covering this issue Jason! I clicked and watched the link you provided in your video description area that takes you to the Blue Ribbon Coalition (4) person panel discussion of the National Park Filming Law issues. WOW! It was a very complete and fantastic explanation of how we got to where we are right now.. I have taken your suggestion to join the coalition to become part of the folks involved in the "Filming Permit Injunction" they currently have secured for Coalition Members. Sounds like the best way to protect one's self while all these legal challenges are being worked on. EXCELLENT reporting as usual.

[@PrestonGladd]

Skip to 8:35 for the "workaround" (if you can call it that) everything else before that is a re-hash of the explore act / current restrictions. Pay to play is not going to fly, you cant allow one private group to do something and not everyone else on pubic lands.

[@geoffreywalker7308]

My inclination is that this will all be eliminated coming up soon, anyway... fingers crossed

[@timf6916]

The Feds need to get it together. Every park has its own rules and laws. It’s getting way too complicated. And I must have missed something. I thought Congress made laws not individual government entities. You do a REAL good job and give a lot of information

[@UNIQUENAME2007]

he's my source for NPS and USFS BS. he's really good, and I don't even RV. Evey video release triggers me in similar ways to what you've written.

[@Go4Corvette]

It's taxpayers land, pictures and video should be free for all individuals who are American citizens. No permits or fees of any kind ever. 🇺🇸

[@Go4Corvette]

@Stacy-w5f I said INDIVIDUALS not groups or film crews. As for me I am not worried about dozens of people being around me. There are plenty of places to be alone if that is what I want. People who come out of their basement once a year and can't handle interacting with people should stay home.

[@PrestonGladd]

@@Go4Corvette well clearly you can’t handle interactions with people because your being a complete asshat in your responses. I think that they responded the way they did because you said there should be no permits required for anyone ever. So that kind of muddied your comment to make it seem as if people filming commercials or movies don’t need permits either because they are collectively a group of INDIVIDUALS!

[@luminousveiws]

There are more costs than simply owning the land!

[@PrestonGladd]

@@Go4Corvette haha you reported my comment calling you out for being rude and mean to other people!!

[@Go4Corvette]

@luminousveiws They collect plenty of other fees.

[@jjones5424]

Thanks again for the info Jason. My personal opinion is that MOST National Parks are not even worth visiting anymore......way to much BS. I have my memories. But I do think that I will donate to the Blue Ribbon Coalition.

[@sherriweber7105]

Thank you so much Jason for telling of this news about you can film at National Parks again. I love when you tell the news and information. Hope you and Abby and your family have a wonderful and happy Thanksgiving. 🦃🍁

[@FittingInAdventure]

Thank you for keeping us up to date! The research hours had to be extreme at this point.

[@rickrobertadewitt1981]

I suggest you check out the controversial new Washington State Parks cancellation policy. The earlier you made a reservation, the more you are penalized for cancelling. We reserved several parks last January for an August trip, then had an RV transmission issue and had to cancel in July. They held back ~ 80% of the reservation fee!

[@MulligansBlog]

I forgot about this! We just took some great footage at White Sands of the family sledding down the dunes… guess I can’t use it! Thanks for the video.

[@gonagain]

I got verbal permission to video in Big Horn National Recreation Area and published my video on KZbin. I took the video down because if anyone from the National Parks Administration was to come after me for the video they would ask to see proof of my permit. With verbal permission you have nothing to back yourself up and could face a huge fine.

[@dontwantnospam]

Having worked in the federal government, you need to make sure you have a paper trail to KYA.

[@TahoeDogProductions]

At only $5 a month, it’s temporary insurance to be a part of the injunction, until everything hopefully goes away. I’m going to post video now from National parks. Thank you for this valuable info.

[@rollinwiththedavises1938]

We had been debating joining and went ahead when we heard about the filming pass for being a member. I hope to have my video about tracing where our great great grandfathers fought at Gettysburg available next week.

[@jjustj]

BRC works toward RESPECTFUL and RESPONSIBLE use of federal and state lands. , Nice Job Jason keep us updated!!!

[@airstreamer]

We have done several videos on this very subject. It is so frustrating. Yes, photography is a different story than video. Ugh. This is such a touchy topic. Thank you for covering it! - Jim & Michelle

[@sdfaulk01]

Thank you for this video, I have been a member for years of the Blue Ribbon and love what they advocate for.

[@AdventureswithDanTracie]

Thank you for sharing this! I've been waiting on the Senate to take up the Explore Act, but I suspect that everything got held up with the election cycle. Hopefully it will be passed early next year. It took very little time for the House to vote in favor of it on a bipartisan basis.

[@johnl1074]

Being a lifetime BRC member this is awesome news. Not that I seek monetization of my videos, I just want to share the awesomeness of our public lands... w/o having to seek permission to do so. Old archaic laws need to be updated (like the explore act) or eliminated entirely. Repeal the (agency) laws by legislation, as that's how laws are "supposed" to be enacted in the first place (legislatively, not agency enacted)

[@timaz1066]

Thank you, Jason. I’ll keep it short to the point most of the time our government just sucks.

[@RVAmerica]

Great information. Lynn and Danny

[@GeographicallyFree]

I was actually just thinking about this last week, so glad to see the update. Thank you.

[@RVMiles]

Very welcome!

[@davidh516]

Excellent! I wonder if i took a bunch of stills, and then generated an animated GIF, would that be a violation?

[@RoadtrippinwithTakacs]

It depends on the park. For instance, we filmed and photographed in Bryce this summer. They require a permit for both video and photos. It was $150, and the entire process took a week. Check with the park you are planning to visit.

[@scottmalan1223]

Thanks, excellent explanation.

[@thewanderingshores]

Fantastic info.... proud to be the newest Blue Ribbon Member- Wander On- Kyle and Michelle

[@mr.pinecone]

How many frames per second makes "a moving image"? 1/10 seconds 1/second 60/second?

[@primalmoments]

It’s a good question. The rule contains the definition of what a video is. Basically they define it as the capture of a moving image. That can be interpreted many ways and the is part of the problem with the law being as out of date as it is. You can read the rules and the definitions by searching up CRF 43 A Part 5.

[@624Mike]

Thank you sir.

[@RVMiles]

Most welcome

[@davidew98]

in reference to your comment about how they know you are putting it on youtube, they have fined people after the fact when they find a video on youtube! Now hopefully they drop the no drone ban!

[@daydreamer0923]

Hi, Thank you. ✌️😄

[@texaslonestarrider]

Awesome!

[@nomansland4811]

My first thought was typical govt overreach. On reflection, tourists don’t need their experience impacted by videographers blockings or hampering movement. Some can be pretty obnoxious.

[@RoamTownGirl]

I’ve asked this question a million times and no one ever gives me an answer. What if I take still photographs and then create a Ken Burns like video and post it on KZbin? Would that satisfy landing within the jurisdiction of still photographers while avoiding breaking the rules that currently applyto hitting the record button? Anybody?

[@primalmoments]

Hi there - I’m the guy who hosted the interview with Ben from BRC that Jason referenced well as having pretty extensively researched and written on this topic along with “teaching” on it at various events this past year. I alway hesitate to call myself an expert on any topic and I’d include this one. I will just say I’m well versed. I have actually spoken to head agency permitting officials on this exact topic. I was told a moving picture is a moving picture even if I processed it in post to be moving the same as any other processing I might do to a moving picture. I pressed if it mattered if it had sound and I was told no. I understand that doesn’t make a lot of sense and I agree, but that is a huge part of the problem. The rules and definitions are not written with modern technology in mind which opens the door to a lot of interpretation. Take a look at CFR 43 A Part 5 and read the rules and definitions. It can be helpful in understanding how some of what most of us might consider “extreme” interpretations occur by permitting staff / officials. Hope that helps.

[@RoadtrippinwithTakacs]

We filmed and photographed in Bryce this summer. They required a permit for both photography and videography. Each was a separate category in the form and required a fee. Since we shot some time lapses, that was considered still photography according to the ranger we spoke to before filling out the paperwork. I'd check with the park you are interested in photographing in to learn their rules.

[@primalmoments]

@ it doesn’t surprise me one bit to hear that. It is a big part of the absurdity of the entire topic. All the agencies and units within them are bound to the same exact federal code and definitions. But you will find confusion and disagreement among the individual permit administrators as they try to interpret the outdated code in modern times. That is why I say always get it in writing because at least you have something showing you attempted to do the right thing even if the administrator themselves didn’t understand the law and advised you what you were doing was legal even if a judge sees it differently. Hopefully they fix it legislatively sooner rather than later. In the meantime joining the BRC is some insurance until they do.

[@RoamTownGirl]

@@primalmoments Thank you for taking the time to share all of your experience with this topic.

[@WNTAdventures]

So I make travel videos and post them on YT to share with family and friends. I’ve never made a penny from these videos and don’t intend to. So do I need a permit?

[@diabeticinthewild]

Did it really stop anyone though? It doesn't appear to have.

[@RVMiles]

It absolutely did. Lots of us have avoided filming in parks, or have been stopped in person, and a handful of us have been fined. Lots of us have brand agreements that don’t allow us to break the law in our videos. And there’s always the concern that KZbin could remove your channel for doing something illegal, which has happened to many for other issues. The problem is that it stopped the responsible people and not the irresponsible people.

[@stanleybest8833]

KZbin Vegas Dtech ( Joey and Marie ) may have had a lot to do with the repeal of the filming ban. It was capricious, greedy, and malicious.

[@WaterfallWhispering]

Uhhhhh nobody I know is getting permits for videos in the PNW. They would literally have to go after thousands of people who post on Social media!

[@HawaiiWalkingTours]

Sad that i can't post my hours of footage of Hawaii’s national parks without worry of a stiff penalty. As an individual, i should be allowed to promote my love for national parks without paying for a permit. Thanks, i will look into the workaround.

[@djRockalot]

Blue Ribbon is great, was a member when I was an avid rock crawler, looks like i need to rejoin!

[@winstonrobinson6732]

One issue I have not heard you address is the court case filed by Utah to get public lands in Utah turned over to the state? If the supreme court allows this it will mean the destruction of our public lands - lands that belong to ALL Americans not just the citizens of Utah. This could be the most impactful case in public lands history and we must oppose it.

[@RVMiles]

I covered it in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJ2WiWyobr6pfZo

[@mikebreazeale2563]

oh well...

[@nickknack5884]

There it is America land of the fees.

[@stever6986]

BlueRibbon Coalition sounds like a good group, but are you sure that "new members" will be covered by this lawsuit/injunction? In other similar rulings (but different legal issues) often only the members at the time of the injunction are covered, and not members that sign up afterward. It's not always the case, but more often than not. The court order should indicate if current AND future members are covered by the ruling or just current members of the organization.

[@RVMiles]

I'm not personally certain, but they indicated that you are covered.

[@toddventure]

Looks like it has passed the Senate now.😊

[@RVMiles]

Yep! We put an update out a week or so ago on the bill passing. Believe it’s on the President’s desk but hasn’t been signed yet.

[@HamiltonSRink]

PROFIT An EVIL four letter word if your paycheck comes from the taxes of others.

[@WebDesignSocal]

No filming in national parks is a stupid rule. Typical worse than useless bureaurats at work.

[@conchscooter]

I would to see a story on the new pet rules from the CDC aiming to make life hard for travelers taking their pets out of the US.

[@RemyRAD]

I don't fully understand the conversation. Of getting some personal video. At the national Parks. But okay with the snapshots. Okey-dokey then. I am taking 30 snapshots per second. For a few minutes here and there. As it's no longer interlaced. Every frame is a single photo. Taken in very quick succession. Because I'm handicapped and disabled from Multiple Sclerosis. So I can't press the button fast enough. And I fall within their requirements that way. To be taking 30 pictures per second. For as long as I want to in national parks. I mean if you want to put on a major production with more than 6 people involved? Like anything else, like that. You generally have to get a Permit and/or Permission. On the property. You want to perform upon. It's a performance. Captured with a dinky little toy looking video camera. These days. What would be the problem? If it's just you? And not a gaggle of equipment. I come from a Network Television News, career of decades. And there is this Run and Gun, method. Of getting the story you want, to get. Where ever you have to go for it. You, go for it. Wherever and however. That's called ingenuity. That's called being stealth. That's being, adequately prepared. That's, keeping it light. That's called covert surveillance. Like a TV camera in the bridge, of your glasses. Or, cameras above both ears. Wide Angle at 4 K, resolution. Lets you window zoom, edgier subject matter. Still in high resolution. And so? Is there a problem? Plenty of smart phones can already shoot, 4K. I can understand them not wanting those whizzing, battery-operated quad copter drones. As it might scare the, birds and wildlife. And they'll all run screaming. They could stampede. And kill stupid tourists. There flew the drone. And because that was not a Federal Law. That was a, Bird, Law. The birds wouldn't stop screeching, at the crack of dawn. And then they had, to do something. So you kill the birds. They make great soup and barbecues. Just, so you know. I'm just saying...... it keeps everything balanced in the ecosystem that way. No need to run to the store. And adding to the carbon dioxide emissions. So kill all, the birds, for dinner. They all, taste like chicken. And they will no longer wake you up in the morning. Problem, solved. The, Dodo bird must have made a lot of noise in the morning? You can't find them anymore? They must've been delicious? Perfect for the Thanks Killing Holidays. Dodo Bird Soup, with egg noodles. I long for a bowl. RemyRAD

[@zemtek420]

I think the blue ribbon thing is BS. if they can do it we all shoud be able to do it. I been waiting for this to pass so I can start editing all my national parks videos.