when the director is so f***ing pretentious

[@FilmSpeak]

What did YOU think of Saltburn? 🧂🔥 Do you get why it's so popular? Comment below! 💥

[@leskijin4988]

yeah, that ending revelation was so poorly executed and written. But well, at least we had with this one the Euphoria season 3.

[@Erasureeraser]

I liked it but I can absolutely understand why some people don't

[@mosswarne972]

I don’t get why it’s popular I guess it’s just people’s first art house like film

[@metallicaddictno1]

I didn't like it. I didn't find particularly shocking either. To me it is a beautiful looking movie, not a bad movie but it is not good either, a few things upset me, but man! Barry Keoghan looks beautiful all throughout the movie LoL

[@TheAmericanPrometheus]

The best part was when he looked at the camera and said "better call salt", that just burned me to my core

[@leeshizzle]

saltburn is an aesthetically pleasing well acted movie that has nothing to say about anything

[@slashparty]

idk, this movie made me like jacob elordi. at least his acting was good. i went into this movie absolutely dogpiling this dude, now i think maybe he's not a bad actor after all. @@marinablack181

[@SuperAtomicMuffin]

A private school hack and her illusion of grandeur.

[@rilesroo1]

Barry, Rosamund, and Richard grant are the only people in this movie who are aware of what acting is

[@marinablack181]

@@rilesroo1 Agree 100%

[@ejtattersall156]

A pure tumblr / tik tok movie. Pretty pictures with cute boys being rich and gay=great.

[@Likeomgitznich]

Saltburn seems to have been designed to bait the algorithm. Like how labels tell musicians to have a TikTokable hook, Saltburn aims to have numerous of those all loosely stitched together with a vsco filter applied.

[@milkflys]

yeah, it's all style and flashy ideas without actual substance

[@Markyajv]

Here we go with the "Everything is a conspiracy" Trope. Ugh.

[@Likeomgitznich]

@@Markyajv …what

[@ljbproductions3350]

@@Markyajvuhhh no that’s just how the industry works

[@enshen2190]

⁠​⁠@@Markyajvhere we go with the “you just don’t get it 😒” trope. Ugh.

[@owenroseamelia6555]

The power of aesthetic is wildly understated when it comes to what people actually like/choose to like

[@owenwilson4059]

So true. Saltburn had a great vibe to me, not every movie has to be good for super profound reasons. It just felt enjoyable to watch.

[@KingCamilloSnufkin]

The medium ist the message.

[@OmnipotentSpud]

​@@KingCamilloSnufkin the medium is the mouthpiece for the message

[@slashparty]

if you prefer vibes over plot, check out Chungking Express and its loose sequel Fallen Angels. these are cantonese-language movies made in hong kong. they have simple stories (at least on the surface, when you deconstruct them you'll find more about the movies). they have a nice feel-good plot, but the cinematography and just the environment of hong kong is really something that keeps your eyes glued to it.

[@LnRit02]

art for art’s sake mama

[@MarketingMovies1337]

I was thinking about this the other day. The film itself is fine, the mystery, vibe and overall plot, its okay. It didn't need to be weird, it didn't need to have shock value. However, my marketing brain made me realise that, without those things, the movie would just be standard and already forgotten thriller type movie. Through it's pretentiousness, that is how it got its hype and marketing. The film itself is standard.

[@victorhugorodriguez773]

We could prise a regular good film

[@Msmithjonesraven]

This, exactly this is why people talk about saltburn as you remove the weirdness and pretentious nature and it become a run of the mill thriller movie which could be forgotten easily.

[@frog5890]

Nuhhh it’s one of my favourite movies without the shock value stuff I would of liked it more 💀💀💀

[@Auturgist]

By "standard" you mean "mid".

[@Stratmanable]

Another mediocrity put off by "weird".

[@patrickdmuzangi9639]

Saltburn is an attempt at a psychosexual thrillers similar to something like Burt Lancaster's The Swimmper or Deep End. But fails to provide any sort of a meaningful, cathartic third act and a flimsy attempt at a twist.

[@ShaneyBright]

I agree. I would add Bad Influence with Rob Lowe & James Spader and Masquerade 1988, also with Rob Lowe, to your film suggestions

[@Tyler_W]

I didn't even realize the ending was supposed to be a twist until I saw people talking about because I thought it was all pretty obvious for most of the movie. I didn't need every little thing explained. The fact that it did so while practically begging me to be impressed by it feels incredibly condescending and cringe.

[@alecredfearn6525]

The Swimmer is a masterpiece. Saltburn, not so much.

[@babypicassoeisenstein]

why does it need to be cathartic at all?

[@babypicassoeisenstein]

@@Tyler_W what twist?

[@leskijin4988]

SAM LEVINSON STOP TOUCHING EVERYTHING.

[@DogWick]

Oh... knowing this i'm avoiding this movie now lmao Levinson is such a weirdo

[@leskijin4988]

Warning: Anyone who likes and thinks different about Saltburn, I respect their opinion. Do not worry, he did not work on this movie. But wow... This movie feels part of his filmography. Saying that Saltburn seems to take inspiration from The Idol... Is a compliment or an insult? Just my point of view. But for me, the visuals were fire... But the writing leaves much to be desired.@@DogWick

[@IVNHYPRFNK]

Sam made Saltburn?

[@leskijin4988]

I was just kidding, do not worry.@@IVNHYPRFNK

[@lealmelisa]

This movie looks like "the idol" 😂

[@PeterZeeke]

"I will never understand why this movie clicked with so many people" Promotion... and Euphoria and easy access.

[@Tyler_W]

That being the case, I suppose the bigger question is why people got obsessed with Euphoria. Apart from people chasing nihilistic shock value, what is there?

[@PeterZeeke]

sex@@Tyler_W

[@pxsoul888]

@@Tyler_W As someone who's seen both I think Euphoria is a lot less of a pretentious "tiktok" attention grabber compared to Saltburn. While Euphoria does come off overdramatic and hypersexual shock-value, at its core it is actually conveys the heaviness of struggles such as substance abuse, imposter syndrome and identity issues and ended up actually being an interesting watch imo. Saltburn on the other hand seemed to not have any core meaning or introspective, and tries to trick the audience to think there is by using amazing acting and nice camerawork

[@RustySpoke]

Bro the fashion in euphoria is amazing I’ve heard. It’s really influential in that way. It’s NOTHINH like clueless, but it’s influential in the fashion way that clueless was yk?

[@lacroustillenecroustillepl2637]

the only promotion i got was my friend telling me you will love the mc hes a sicko and truth i love the movie AHAH

[@alenor210]

Saltburn is a beautifully-made film that uses shocking moments and the veneer of British classism to hide the fact that it has absolutely nothing to say.

[@channingbloom7125]

And that leads into the debate of whether something should have something to say. I watched saltburn and was entertained by the beautiful visuals, acting, set design, and some parts of the story. Yes it didn’t have an overall moral message, but does the film suffer from it? I personally think that the movie would have improved if it did but as I say again. I was still entertained all the way through. So it wasn’t a waste of time.

[@lo-faag]

@@channingbloom7125 In my opinion, not every piece of media has to say something. That places films and tv shows on too high of a pedestal; how are you supposed to enjoy anything if the media that is your escapism is constantly telling you how terrible everything is? But when it comes to Saltburn, a film that should very clearly be about British classism and socioapthy, maybe even questioning what constitutes as 'evil', having no overall message makes it fall flat.

[@ChaosRaych]

Broey Deschanel said in a recent video that Saltburn isn't an 'Eat The Rich' movie, it's a 'Fear The Poor' movie. It's not for us, it's for the 1%. Considering Emerald Fennell's background, I believe that is absolutely right

[@michaelhutchings8599]

She's a trust fund baby. Shocking that she wrote a movie like this.

[@forwardechoes]

If you must make it into a class war, then of course it is. I was a bit shocked with this otherwise good video being somewhat blind to the obvious fact that the movie is not "rich bad" ... But it seems that this simplistic, pretentious, judgmental, preconceived and condescending view of "rich bad vs. poor good" has been so embedded in our fabrics that even here people go "it doesn't make sense" basically to have the middle class guy be a psycho (as if it was some sort of twist at end) ... yeah we can't register that it's not a "eat the rich" movie... And I must repeat that the gentleman of this video seems rather articulate.... yet... "It doesn't make sense" ... even when the rich are, at worst, maybe a bit rude at times... Just nuts. I didn't like the movie at all by the way. But this is not about a class war and that was maybe the best part of it, that most seem to miss. It's about a family that do the best they know, towards a stranger. An individual who killed the family that took him him and this lier, killer, self hating, superficial, materialistic, manipulative narcissistic psycho, then dances alone naked as a victory lap for killing a family. And yeah he was middle class (ashamed of who he was) and the innocent victims are very rich. It's about individuals, but if your brain can't see it as not a class war.... of course it's a "fear the poor"

[@wachukamugenyu3743]

OMG!!! that is a perfect description!

[@nisio7320]

Not sure if this is who you were talking about, but I saw this said in Broey Deschanel's video "Saltburn: The Tumblr-ification of Cinema"

[@ChaosRaych]

@@nisio7320 Yes! That's exactly the video I was thinking of. Thank you! I'll edit my comment

[@chrisfitforever]

I keep saying this but Saltburn should have been a horror vampire/demon movie…the blood stuff, the horns, the convo at the end talking about eating everyone from the inside, leaving holes etc. would have made so much sense.

[@00mongoose]

I like this comment. If this was an actual horror movie with supernatural elements, would have made more sense

[@miaboaler2968]

it would have taken away the whole point of the movie. In no way would that have made the movie better, it would have cheapened it. Saltburn is a “eat the rich” movie, its a satire of social and economic classes. In no way would it being a supernatural horror make any sense with the plot.

[@arus.2171]

@@miaboaler2968no it is not an “eat the rich” movie 🤦

[@captainblighe7297]

Barry keoghan as Edward Cullen, that’s a pitch

[@phoneypseudo]

​@@miaboaler2968 it's a satire by somebody who doesn't know how to write satire lolol

[@mrdad-zl9zl]

My frustration with saltburn can be summed up with the kind of conversation around it. First we have saltburn and strong themes and imagery, it's a seemingly deep movie, but when trying to get into its depth a problem occurs where it's not really saying... anything. Or its at least not saying anything well. The response to this is it's not a deep movie, it's a campy satire. Or the very popular: it's not a movie about class it's about obsession. So then what is the main obsession in the movie? What does Oliver want? Felix. Why? Because we're told everyone does? But then he's obsessed with the family and estate, why? Because we're told everyone wants it. So then if this is a movie about obsession and the obsession is an ultra wealthy person in high class society how is this movie not about class? It's about obsession, what are the goals of this? Unclear. What does anyone really want? Unclear- because it tells us not shows us which is just bad story writing. What IS the story here? What is this film saying? Unclear. Therefore all the stylized aspects don't work, they're attempting to tell a story that dosent hold up.

[@dividepaths]

All style, no substance.

[@TheHonorableRyu]

Yeah, you're right. The "substance" is that Oliver's a middle class stand-in that's envious of the ultra-wealthy class, and Emerald Fennell's a misanthrope who's indicated she sees this as a universal. Oliver's obsessiveness is unconvincing, and the "shocking" content is forced/tryhard, because narratively it's devoid of content or characterization except for this kinda insipid point. I think Fennell throws ideas in there while unsure of how much she wants to commit to them, hence some fans of the movie saying she wasn't trying to say anything, she was just trying to make a fun Gothic movie. If that's the case, give me a real freak writer/director who has some real insight into the nature of obsession, not normie Fennell pretending very hard to be a freak with all the subtlety of a hammer and throwing in last minute reveals that everything we saw beforehand was actually about class envy.

[@phoebexxlouise]

maybe we're supposed to see it as more of an unconscious metaphor on the part of the filmmakers. like they're making a statement about their own tastes and aspirations and desires and maybe they're aware or unaware of their own vapidity. I got ALOT out of the movie "Pearl" which is really just a camp and disturbing slasher character study, because I saw it as a metaphor for Mia Goth and her career. Especially with the audition scene. The artist within her screaming out for attention, validation, and love, and being denied an opportunity even once creates a horrifically excruciated reaction: she reacts with such extremity that it's camp, but I think it's really just a film trying to capture the feeling of rejection and the pleading agony of a wild human's stifled nature. Uh i haven't seen saltburn but could be it was trying to be like that

[@thinkfirst1989]

In the simplest terms, it's about how unmet and unmediated desire turns us into cruel, vain people.

[@cyborgcuttlefish6326]

i still mainly think this movie has no real statement to make but i wonder if that’s the point. when oliver is revealed to be upper middle class, it flips the story and makes it so that he’s just some asshole who wants to get richer. maybe the lack of meaning is the point? although i’ll admit i don’t like how this movie tries to be something and then does nothing

[@growingandcooking7278]

You changing the aspect ratio of the video is what tickles me the most. 😂

[@slackstarfish8133]

This movie just exists for shock value and unfortunately a lot of people think “what the fuck” moments equate to something being good

[@kylepgames3541]

Completely disagree, I feel like people going into this knowing there are "wtf scenes" are more highly critical in a biased way. Each of those scenes have a purpose and help to show us how far our protag is willing to go, the velocity of not an infatuation, but obsession, and focus on the power of desire. Besides the grave scene, the other's aren't even all that "wtf". Barry took a deep dive into the character of Oliver and improved a lot of moments in those scenes, the very gesture of doing so shows that there is a deeper intended meaning than shock value, and to say it is dismissed the craft of the movie and everyone working on it. You don't have to like it, but don't lie

[@blueblack3591]

Exactly thank you

[@nope5657]

Nothing wrong with shock value. It's a worthy endeavor in and of itself.

[@RosieOleanderDallinger]

Nope. I found it really funny, and enjoyed the different kind of drama I haven’t seen much of. I understand some of the criticisms, and agree with some of them. But I enjoyed it for those reasons.

[@aliar86]

​@@kylepgames3541 I watched this movie with no context about what it was even about, knew nothing going in, and I found the shock value scenes to be tryhard and pretentious. Added nothing to the character because Oliver as a character is paper thin, there's nothing to him. He's twisted and "evil" and that's it.

[@timv6245]

After halfway through the film, I kept asking myself “when is this going to end?”, because I was so bored with the plot and had absolutely no idea what the film was trying to say. Oliver’s motives made no sense - I would rather a film craftily explain something to me than leave me hanging to figure it out on my own through the most blink-and-you-miss-it clues. I was trying so hard to grasp every detail to make sure I didn’t miss anything and yet still did not understand what the hell this movie was trying to do.

[@timv6245]

I have no idea if I missed something in the very beginning, but when was it ever established that Oliver was “poor”? I swear in a scene with Felix and one of his friends, the two are walking and talking about Oliver and I swear the girl friend said something about Oliver being “rich”, so I didn’t understand why Oliver would be so enamored with a rich kid if he was one himself. I never once got a class discrepancy between Oliver and Felix, ever. It was literally spelled out that Oliver was infatuated with Felix (even if the twist later revealed otherwise), so this whole commentary on class doesn’t even become apparent until the literal last five minutes of the film, and even then Oliver’s motives were never clear. Did he orchestrate this master plan from the start? How would he know Felix was that wealthy? Nothing made sense. The “shock value” scenes made no sense. I walked away with this film annoyed simply because of how bored I was the entire time.

[@thinkingoverage12]

I remember when I finished watching this, I was overwhelmed with a feeling of, 'That's it? This what everyone has been losing their minds over?' It felt like the first draft of a much better, more biting movie. The ideas and themes were planted, but it felt like they were just laid out to dry. If I remember correctly, the director said she didn't want to make a social satire or commentary, and you can clearly see how she just felt short of producing that bite in the film. Maybe my expectations were just way too high? It's an insanely beautiful and a wild ride, but everyone and their mother claimed that it was this cerebral movie, but it really just felt like a popcorn flick to me, which again nothing wrong with that except that I was expecting so much more. Glad to see I'm not the only one underwhelmed by this film. It could've been so much more, but you're right in that her social class probably prevented her, albeit subconsciously, to really take it to eat the rich territory.

[@Rosa5311]

I agree, I was really waiting for some hard hitting moments, there were a few enjoyable scenes but I actually found the whole thing quite boring and I feel like the scenes that everyone was talking about was just for shock factor and nothing else

[@mummyjohn]

why is "not taking it to eat the rich territory" your ultimate interest here?

[@zitorya5786]

@@mummyjohnnvm i misread ur comment

[@mummyjohn]

My buddy doesn't know if it's a terrible movie, or the most brilliant satire of arthouse films ever.

[@smarttravel3144]

It's kind of like (and I apologise for this comparison; I swear I've read books other than Harry Potter yadda yadda) The Last Jedi. It's a phenomenally bad movie, but if you view it as dunking on Star Wars and large media franchises in general, it becomes quite bold and great. The sheer audacity on Rian Johnson for pulling it right under the studio's nose! Sadly, I don't think this benefit of the doubt is warranted in either case even if fun to think about.

[@michaelhutchings8599]

​@@smarttravel3144 Yep. It's the ultimate shit post. Saltburn is the most douchey shit I've tried to watch.

[@Lin_Eileen]

@@smarttravel3144 I honestly think The Last Jedi does deserve credit & isn't really a bad movie at all. It obviously was trying to be a subversive & deconstructive piece of art. I don't think it was trying to dunk on Star Wars or anything I think it was just Rian Johnson not being the type of person to play it safe & make a people pleasing blockbuster like The Force Awakens. Am I saying TLJ is some masterpiece? No but I think it's a really interesting film

[@gogetgoon]

@@Lin_Eileen I think Rian Johnson was being subversive just to be subversive, or at least to be the one Star Wars movie that was different. He didn’t do anything with the story that was clever and it almost felt spiteful (to JJ Abrams). A good example of subversion by Rian Johnson is the Knives Out franchise.

[@Cynicbang]

I went to an advanced screening of Saltburn and really enjoyed it, but didn't think much more about it from there, so I was really surprised to see how much it blew up when it went to Streaming. A part of me feels like people just don't really watch films anymore if this is the kind of thing that blows their minds. I thought it was a really well made, and enjoyable film with some terrific performances, but I don't think it really deserves the hype it's been getting since it landed on Amazon. Likewise, I think some of the people jumping on this as 'pretentious trash' are guilty of just as much hyperbole from the flipside of the coin.

[@Tyler_W]

It's absolutely pretentious, but I think calling it trash is a bit hyperbolic. It would have been a good movie if it didn't try to do that "twist" or at least left certain things a little less explicit and more vague for the sake of speculation. It's need for explicit shock value with absolutely no room for subtlety is what hurts it in the end. It's watchable, but at the end of the day, it's just a very okay movie that is technically very well made but doesn't really come together.

[@Austionous]

I had that realization when The Joker made such a splash. It's an alight movie, but the discussion around it was baffling and made me think "Ok, so nobody has watched any movies by Scorsese, who is arguably the most popular director of all time."

[@aghii458]

@@Tyler_Wthe twist wasn’t great, I agree. It would have been better yet f it was left up to the viewers imagination since the hints were pretty heavy handed anyways. But I wouldn’t call it pretentious

[@James-Alai]

When I first watched this movie I had no idea how popular it is but I really liked it. I didn't see it as a thriller...I saw it as a dark comedy.

[@johnwerner69]

Same! It’s so funny

[@Erasureeraser]

Same here, there were some intentionally funny scenes especially from Elspeth

[@shavontaeblackwell1381]

Me too I thought it was funny!

[@silver_crone]

I watched it without knowing anything about it, hadn’t heard of it, and I agree - dark and occasionally rediculous comedy that had some beautiful cinematic moments. And the music was perfect.

[@Butwhythough881]

I can only see that angle working if it was unintentional dark comedy, like a film that tries to take itself serious but in turns makes you laugh instead.

[@jackbynum]

I think the outward appeal of Nihilism to GenZ is that it removes you of any responsibility towards the choices and outcome of your life. If everything is meaningless, then nothing I do has meaning or consequence. (delusion) When in reality what we desire is a life of meaning. Which in this film, meaning means self gratification. Hedonism.

[@freelunch4me]

dude what movie did you watch? you see both sides of the coin, hedonism and utilitarianism. The rich live in boredom, everything at their fingertips but no real human interaction as everyone "puts on a show for felix", everyone wants a piece of their pie thereby denying them any sense of a real relationship. Oliver is the opposite, he puts on the show not just for those he wants to impress but the entire world, his existence is that of a chameleon, even the audience are denied a true origin/backstory for him - he's essentially the embodiment of greed, he had a middle-class family, he could've lived a great life but he had to lie to everyone to get his goal - saltburn. i genuinely can't name any distict nihilistic themes within the movie, each characters actions have consequences for example; felix's blind trust of those around him due to his status, he treats everyone as toys which ultimately kills him as oliver was the toy that would not break.

[@SP-mf9sh]

Why we need god

[@innitbruv-lascocomics9910]

​@@SP-mf9sh just a God or a specific one?

[@SP-mf9sh]

@@innitbruv-lascocomics9910 Jesus christ died for everyone's sins and if you can't accept him dying for mine you're a hypocrite. The kind of people he despised. If you have no sins cast the first stone.

[@littlemoth4956]

What in the world are you on about

[@Aperki2010]

The grave scene was improvised. That alone should tell you that nobody knew what the point of this movie was.

[@davidmylchreest3306]

The Talented Mr. Rip-Off

[@tamarbeker1701]

TTMR was such a good movie, damnit

[@AnitaLife27]

Or the UNtalented Mr Ripoff. Terrible film.

[@Camille_Anderson]

I had to watch that movie again just to exorcise me after Saltburn, tbh.

[@wellbuttermybiscuits7]

I guess i can thank this movie for finding out about the talented mr ripley from a comment

[@heyitsella117]

Deadass lmao

[@ax400kara3]

when the movie ended, I wondered what's the purpose of that? the main character isn't deep, he's just a shallow plot twist villain (I mean they didn't justify why he is the way he is). the stupidity of the rich family is so unrealistic and I still don't get how they got played by the main character.

[@RosieOleanderDallinger]

As someone who had to live with upper class people for my first year at University, I can tell you it isn’t unrealistic, it’s like they live in a different world with no understanding of this one.

[@niceguysfinishlast]

like when venetia pretty much called ollie out and let on she knew what he did or at least knew that he was trying to crawl his way in, and THEN KISSED HIM?!?! like ?!??

[@kassiogomes8498]

Maybe you just don't know any aristocrats.

[@pixanich4076]

I know right, You would expect at least a social comentary as satire or post-satire but It was just an empty vessel, like, the movie has no identity other than wanting to be a cult film and failed

[@randomrandom450]

I was told that it was deep because "he has no reason, he's just a psychopath" like... that was supposed to be deep ? To not have any motivation other than "gnehehehe ! I'm so evil !". But yeah, was a 20yo-ish person who told me that, who probably missed the ridicule of 80-90 action movie vilains that were "big bad evil meanies who liked to do evil things". Seems like we all agreed that it's bad uninteresting writing for long enough that younger people never saw it and it passes as "new and original", when it's just the equivalent of ugly fashion trends coming back when we all agreed it was a mistake back then.

[@EspejitoLunar_v]

As I see it, the problem with Saltburn is that it's pure aesthetic without any real depth. Like, it's pretty to look at, almost enthralling, but it leaves you with an incomplete, unsatisfied feeling.

[@Fraggle-h7o]

I felt the same way with Saltburn as I did with Promising Young Woman: Its a pretty good movie that leaves a terrible impression with its ending. Oliver was the least empathetic character despite being the focal point of the movie I don't want to see him doing an elated victory lap at the end, or at least this movie did it poorly in a way i cant express exactly...

[@llornbarham4764]

I thought I was the only one who thought of and kept Farleigh’s point from the beginning closest to heart after seeing the film. Thank you for highlighting it as one of the key pieces.

[@FilmSpeak]

Yeah, when the film ended that bit took on a completely new meaning for me haha. Because it's like she's aware how you argue something matters more...and yet...doesn't seem to get that she falls victim to it in her own film.

[@sciencelover7582]

I think the reason it clicked for me specifically...was pretty much solely the dialogue. It captured conversations in almost every scene in such a realistic manner and I found myself looking on my own life when I've had the same conversations, particularly in the beginning when oliver and farleigh argue abt the validity of an argument...and ESP Rosamund Pike's character had all the best dialogue in terms of realism, I totally saw her in most of my relatives, the way she speaks and presents herself (the gossiping and rambling abt everyone's business), and for this type of narrative the realistic tone of dialogue is extremely hard to come by and that's why I connected with Saltburn

[@sciencelover7582]

@@theaspiringrecluse Ehh I'm young but not THAT young, but I've seen tonnes of movies, and usually the dialogue is very flashy ig (like I could never imagine myself or anyone else talking in that manner) but this film was the opposite

[@bmgl3855]

totally agree with you here. i didn't love the movie, and it felt slightly messy to me, but the moment to moment dialogue was extremely accurate. i've been around these sorts of people and not a lot of movies can get the satire right while also not turning into caricature. that with the performances just made me have a really good time with it, all in all.

[@MEGAgamerboyblue]

I could not disagree with you guys more

[@sciencelover7582]

@@MEGAgamerboyblue so u liked the movie but hated the dialogue?

[@wellbuttermybiscuits7]

Samee the dialogue was great

[@Mr.StevenKerr]

I didn't mind the movie, but I watched some interviews with the director after, and it made me hate it. She thinks it's the most clever movie of all time, and I found her to be very full of herself in multiple interviews

[@Grimalkins]

Same! It’s put me off her future work, which is a shame as I enjoyed Promising Young Woman. No wonder the film didn’t have anything to say - she is one of these ignorant, privileged few.

[@KrazyKat007]

@@GrimalkinsIf you’re interested in exploring the work of a woman director, I highly recommend looking into the films of filmmaker, Miranda July. In particular her debut feature film, “Me You, and Everyone We Know” She’s a very unique voice as an artist and storyteller. Unlike the director of Saltburn where everything is highly derivative.

[@Grimalkins]

@@KrazyKat007 Thank you! I shall give it a watch tomorrow.

[@KrazyKat007]

@@Grimalkins If you do watch it some time soon, please do comment again and let me know what you thought of it.

[@txbiaz]

you say this yet you probably indulge in films by men like christopher nolan, quinton tarentino, etc

[@ohwow1626]

Thank you someone finally said it! This movie was so much more interesting when it seemed like a cautionary tale about an average man loosing his humanity in trying to climb the social ladder. Or alternatively about the way love, and specifically unrequited love, can become obsession and tear away at our own sense of dignity and self. In the end Oliver has no character arc whatsoever, and looking at it from a distance away from all the flare of movie itself, it just ends with a "oh what a twist aren't you surprised?". It's so beautifully shot, and has some great stuff in it, but its ultimately pointless and meaningless. Even as an eat the rich story it fails since you care more about the family than Oliver himself who btw happens to not be victim of any way of oppression, he's living much more comfortably than most of us are. They could've leaned into his queerness as well and have him be envious of Felix for being able to love freely and be himself because of his privilege, but they do nothing with that either... its just so weird and as you said, it ends up feeling like a boogeyman story to scare the top 1% more than anything else. Great video!

[@roadent217]

"as you said, it ends up feeling like a boogeyman story to scare the top 1% more than anything else." I haven't seen the film, but, assuming that might have actually been the intended message of the film - is that bad? Does that make it "bad writing" all by itself?

[@ohwow1626]

@@roadent217 its mostly that the film seems to be trying to say/be something else at diferentes points and up until the very end when the twist is revealed. But even as a boogeyman story is lacking because of Oliver's inconsistent character althroughtout. And anyway I do feel that the vilification of the middle class in favour of the richest of the rich is really tone deaft regardless of intention, especially in todays climate. But since that all seems to be accidental and even contradictory at times, id say the biggest issue is that the movie itself doesn't seem to know what it is trying to do.

[@Jess-uz5vw]

Ugh we have enough cautionary tales about social ladders and obsessive love. It's not meant to be an eat the rich story, so of course it fails as that. Not everything needs to follow a formula just because we're used to boring formulas. Use you imagination a little! Not everything needs to have some deeper meaning behind it or have one that we expect. The critiques on this movie are proof we need to exercise our creative muscles more.

[@WeatherReportsHat]

​@@Jess-uz5vwIf it's a movie, it SHOULD have a deeper meaning behind it. Why make a movie that has nothing to say? It's a valid criticism.

[@jameshoyle8950]

It's Instagramified. People critically laud pretty films regardless of content. But the actual issue in the film to me is that the driver for the film, namely why Oliver is who he is, is entirely ignored by the film. So he's a complex character who's also cartoonishly evil...

[@drewberriesandcream]

Saltburn is basically a wattpad fanfic of the talented mr ripley

[@dietdrpepper15]

It was tone-deaf, probably because she comes from a rich family and subconsciously she fears the working class.

[@f.airy.x]

That’s not what the film is at all

[@elijah7939]

Interesting take to say the least

[@hebbifer]

agreed

[@kernel-pult]

@@f.airy.x explain

[@f.airy.x]

@@kernel-pult it’s a film about social climbing and the things people are willing to do to be rich. Rich people don’t just come out of nowhere someone at some point in time had to exploit others and make it to the top. Yes a lot of wealth is generational but generations before someone somewhere did awful things to get to that point.

[@Erasureeraser]

Rosamund Pike is by far my favourite aspect of this movie, some of the best jokes came from her. I'd love a spin off of Elspeth's mysterious friendship with Pamela as Pike and Carey Mulligan's chemistry for a short time was excellent (yes, they have worked together before so this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone)

[@anonymous4k4k]

this spinoff mindset is killing movies

[@katsuragi9689]

Spin off this spin off that how about you just get off the computer?

[@residual_soap]

spin off the director's chode and watch better movies that aren't bait.

[@Zombiezay]

I think I know why Saltburn resonates with so many people my age. To me this "film" represents everything my generation thinks it is, "boundary pushing" / "not afraid to express disturbing truths" but in all reality is nothing but a vapid wasteland, left alone emulating how people would or should act because they themselves really have nothing of substance, to say, just regurgitating the Reel they saw that morning or the tik tok from the night before..... A ridiculous "film" with great actors smh

[@randomrandom450]

"His motivations feel so paper thin" yeah, that's what made me dislike the twist so much. Like he doesn't need the money, he doesn't hate those people, he has no reason to do that other than "hey would be nice to have a big house". Like he said, he just feels like a common criminal, that's as deep as a puddle.

[@jasonblundelldobebussing]

I'm kinda surprised that the TickTokers gave it enough of their already lacking attention to watch a 2 hour movie, given... you know what.

[@mihaela9239]

It's an aesthetically pleasing movie with the hottest up and coming actors queer baiting in it. That's why it "clicked" for so many people - those who have never seen a movie before and lack critical thinking skills got ahold of it. And yes, this is the most "old man yells at cloud" thing I've ever said😅 great video, thanks!

[@Rockeychoices]

The same thing as euphoria, people now think good movies are just about the aesthetic

[@ubahfly5409]

I prefered it the first time when it was called "The Talented Mr.Ripley".

[@patrickmoen8577]

I found it hilarious when the director was asked in an interview was she influenced by it and she was like "The Talented Mr what now?"

[@chubsgcf]

ugh i didnt like how it ended and plot wasn’t what i wanted but god i love the cinematography

[@KountourisYT]

Unfortunately I have to agree. I loved Promising Young Woman, but this time Emerald was so shallow, so superficial. Huge disappointment because I think it's a really well-shot film with amazing performances.

[@christinash5333]

So… I agree with you on most parts, but I’m Gen Z, and I want to weigh in on the “Gen Z loves nihilism” thing. Honestly? That’s more a millennial thing, from what I’ve observed. Gen Z culture is largely based on deconstruction and reconstruction. Making your own meaning out of things, or finding meaning wherever you yourself want to find it. Taking the nihilism that we grew up viewing as sophisticated and cool and saying “no, life DOES have meaning, and I will make that meaning myself.”

[@emi_mono]

True for me as well, but I’m unsure if that’s the case in belief (for some) or if it’s truly embodied in practice. There are some behiavors our gen takes part in that is very nihilistic hedonist that I think deserves to be looked at. And is often promoted somewhat uncritically, esp on the internet

[@_Ciaran_Maher]

So you guys are discovering post modernism? I'm so sorry.

[@madelynspindle8797]

I think that may have been why this film was so successful, there was nothing beneath the aesthetics with plenty of threads of themes that could be turned into everything, gen z as a generation in terms of media consumption has come off the backs of fandom that have made shit piles into the most compelling pieces of media. Saltburn is amazing if you consider it a writing prompt

[@jtom1995]

Here’s how I see the movie: it is indeed trying to criticize both the rich and the middle class. The ways it criticizes the rich are obvious, but of course, Oliver’s much worse actions do make him the villain. He clearly has an unhealthy, unhinged obsession with this rich family, their luxury, and their status … which, I believe, satirizes the true motivations behind many middle-class crusades against the rich. So many people say, “Eat the rich! Eat the rich!” Hell, so many MOVIES say that. But what I think Fennell is saying here is that those people don’t really want to *eat* the rich … they want to *become* the rich. They’re jealous of what the rich have, and their crusades towards “justice” are more selfish than they seem. The idea that middle-class people are happy with their lives … for many, THAT is a facade. After all, a lot of the anti-rich sentiments come from people who are totally well-off and aren’t suffering because of any wealth imbalance (which, by the way, IS a huge problem that needs to be dealt with, make no mistake). The degree of anger they feel isn’t warranted based on how they live. Maybe they just feel that strongly about helping those who are less fortunate … or maybe they resent the fact that they themselves don’t have more. That’s a harsh pill to swallow. And it goes against the affirmative narrative of “rich people worse than non-rich people.” It may be asking middle-class individuals to look at themselves and ask what’s really driving their anti-rich sentiments. That’s just my own interpretation, but it’s one that I love for looking at an issue from a different point of view. It’s not like the film paints its rich characters as anywhere close to perfect people, after all, so it doesn’t let them off the hook. It just refreshingly puts more of a spotlight on the flaws of a different group.

[@redmangoose182]

You’re spot on with this. Tbh, I don’t think too much thought was put into writing this from a middle class perspective. The heinous things Oliver does don’t read to me like a tone deaf insult to the middle class…he’s just a fucked up dude doing fucked up things for the shock of it. There’s not much of an underlying statement Fennell was going for IMO. BUT…I like your take regardless.

[@arus.2171]

THANK YOU, i will be referring ppl to this comment when they insist it’s a eat the rich movie, because that is by far the most superficial and shallow thing to say about this movie

[@andyscott5277]

If that’s Fennell’s true message behind the movie, then she really is truly and extremely out of touch 😅

[@olliedawizard]

i agreed with you up until the second paragraph. It is a bit disingenious to generalize middle class people as materialistic, greedy, wanna-be's. As well as saying the majority of people saying 'eat the rich' are only middle class. That is tone deaf. The movie is an eat the rich movie, up until the last 7 minutes, then it does a 180 and leaves us with 0 themes to conclude with. The middle class are not the ones causing massive damage to our population, enviorment, and livelyhood. Fennell comes from generational wealth, she does not know what it is like to be middle class. While i can still agree with "eat the rich" truly having selfish motivations to an extent. Your interprotation comes off as someone who has not been middle class and does not know what poor people are like. Which is alot like this films director.

[@jtom1995]

@@redmangoose182 Thanks. I still think there is rhyme and reason to him as a character. He lusts for the wealthy people and their lives, and his motivations throughout the whole film are centered around wedging himself into and taking over that life.

[@Jack-gf3ig]

I don't think Oliver is meant to be a "quirky weirdo" in this film. I think he's a relatable character out of his depth in a world alien to him, and that makes him a fairly standard relatable character. Also disagree that that's all that the sexual scenes are meant to suggest about him, rather than his lust for the world, his growing power and place within it, and his confused emotional state. I'd also say that something as vague as 'Less wealthy person wants the life of a more wealthy person' with a lustful element is not really enough to warrant all the comparisons to Mr Ripley. I think we as audiences find it easy to spot similarities and compare films but at some point we have to accept that you can still have original films with similarities to one another without everyone defaulting to 'It's just [x film] but with [arbitrary difference]'.

[@FateXO]

i disagree with your entire comment have a good day

[@Jack-gf3ig]

ok you 2 @@FateXO

[@ThisBirdHasFlown]

God, I'm so sick of depraved, tryhard taboo bullshit in modern media.

[@tomshobbithole]

I think, as a film, your points hit the nail on the head. Fenenell's message in Saltburn was vague and muddled and fell super flat, particularly considering how expertly she executed Promising Young Woman- However, I think what Saltburn really nailed was presenting a satire of the upper class of the UK (much like you said, 100% supported by some absolutely stellar acting). When you watch it in scenes, rather than an entire movie, it provides an accurate social snapshot that I don't think scans for the general audience, particularly internationally. I come from a similar background to Oliver, but through my university experience and girlfriend, I have experienced families like the Cattons first-hand- first of all, it was fucking hilarious. My girlfriend and I were in stitches watching the dialogue because it perfectly captured the families of some of my friends and we were fairly certain we had been at actual parties and heard some lines said word-for-word in earnest - However, watching it in a cinema in a working-class area of Lancashire, it felt like we were the only ones getting the joke- the film is definitely made for Fennell's peers and not the general audience, which makes it come off as tone-deaf and elitist, because it kinda is- On another note, I think for the UK, the point you made about the middle class not hating being middle class isn't entirely accurate- I definitely think there is a huge amount of self-criticism and self-loathing in a certain section of the British middle class and some of us have an engrained desire/resentment for the upper classes- I went to Exeter University in the UK, which is famed for its idolisation of the "Saltburn aesthetic" (thetab.com/uk/exeter/2019/11/05/doesnt-everyone-have-a-trust-fund-the-27-poshest-things-ever-heard-in-exetah-43693 is worth a Google just to get the vibe) and it has a lot of otherwise middle-class people doing some pretty ridiculous social performance to try and strive to get in with and eventually be perceived as "upper class" (myself at times regrettably included), so from my experience- perhaps the serial murder was a bit much, but I don't think Oliver's character was wholly inaccurate in a British class narrative. Either way, the film as a whole was muddled and tone-deaf and a little ridiculous- it was made by a woman of the upper-middle class, for an audience of people in the upper-middle classes, (my flatmate is family friends with the Fennells and lo and behold he has a couple cousins playing bit-parts in it) - I have no idea why so many people have latched onto it- probably because it romanticises 'old money' and the "perfect summer"- nevertheless, I think it did have some elements of absolute magic and searing accuracy- That concludes my opinion no one asked for...

[@olliedawizard]

The film just completely contradicts whatever themes it was trying to develop in its last 7 minutes or so. If it had ended sooner it would have been better, and not so confused and dumb.

[@ZaptheZombie]

People always say “Barry Koeghan is a great actor” but I’ve exclusively seen him in some of my least favorite movies/performances within the past years. I cannot get into this dude

[@FeelingsOnACouch]

I don't take Oliver's end monologue seriously. I believe that he purposefully pierced Felix's tire and all that to gain access to Felix but I think he is lying to himself, Elspeth and us when he says he hated Felix and everything was preplanned and a big masterminded plot. I think he was in love with Felix, the life he had but i think he wanted to b part of it WITH Felix. So when Felix rejected him I think he went on the defensive and said "if i cannot have him, no one can and actually i have only wanted your life all along so the joke is on you". I frankly don't care if Emerald Fennel intended for the film to be a social critique/satire because I personally enjoy the film more as a small scale, psychological affair with wacky characters and an unreliable narrator.

[@noah_cx]

i know it's super late to reply but this, exactly this. Emerald Fennel has said it is a movie about obsession. about wanting something (someone) you cannot have. I watched the movie a few days ago and the people who didn't like it mostly think about it as an "eat the rich" movie, but that was absolutely not the intention. it would suck as an eat the rich movie, but as a movie about someone who is obsessed with his friend i think it's pretty good. Oliver was obsessed with Felix, he wasn't planning on killing him from the start, and he would not have given him the bottle if Felix had forgiven him. When Felix died then Oliver moved on to the next thing -- trying to become him . It is clear he is a liar and an unreliable narrator, at the start of the movie he even says "i was honest with him, i protected him", and we know that's not the truth. he was lying to himself to save face, as you said I would like to see some negative takes having in mind that it's not a social critique, instead of this kind of video where i'm left thinking they didn't understand the movie nor made an effort to read more opinions about it after watching it

[@lemond2007]

I have literally never heard anyone say anything about this film, in real life or online. Are we on the same planet?

[@lanigoyert5678]

“Lost their vision” *shows Vision dying* lmao

[@melissabailey5930]

I think most people went into this film for the cool cinematography, hot guys, and the gayness🌈✨️ It hits that special part of the internet AND it's overall competent. I know many people who liked this movie and are now moving on to watch the films that inspired it.

[@60sbabydoll777]

Lmao

[@cheekyrickydicky]

why not watch pornography then

[@pentax2551]

I think this is it. There are attractive people doing naughty steamy taboo things and it’s like you can go and watch it and feel like you lived a part of that lifestyle for a couple of hours. To the middle class, it’s the dream and to the upper class, it’s a thriller/ satire. It’s marketed itself differently towards each demographic and if you sit and switch off you can enjoy the message that it’s saying to your demographic. But if you take it apart and think about it, you will see the inconsistencies

[@tkim2320]

I found that the more people heard about Saltburn before going to view it, the more disappointed they are in the film. It definitely suffers from being over-hyped. I knew nothing about the movie and none of the "shock value" scenes weren't shocking for me. I'm used to people with fetishes so I just watched it as a self character study by Oliver, an unreliable storyteller. Oliver felt like people I have known in my life. B ut yes, there is a level of pretentiousness in the film especially due to the filmmaker's background. Worried the filmmaker could possibly be heading down the Sam Levinson route.

[@geoffborland8352]

For the UK anyway, it came out on Prime at Christmas and was trailered as posh people exploit a working class hero type of film. It was one of those films that the whole family (3 generations) watched together as it was over Xmas and they had no idea what was coming cos they thought they were watching brideshead revisited. When you thought you were going to watch a comedy about class with your mum and your gran and you ended watching a film when a guy had sex with a grave it made the scene feel more shocking regardless of how well it was shot. Trying not not to make eye contact with your gran as she said oh dear what do you think he's doing is why the film has stuck in so many minds. I went back to work after Christmas and everyone I spoke to who had seen the film had seen it with their family.

[@sundown6806]

An eat the rich story where the mc ends up becoming rich and happy because of it. Kinda weird.

[@mikey_dk]

The problem with this breakdown is that you shouldn't try and find an overarching topical message or try and rationalize why a generally unlikable demographic, gen z, resonates with it. It will end up making you hate it just because you don't see what everyone else sees in it, rather than you having your own take on it. The movie is filled with symbolism and takes themes from many great works of art, from Shakespeare all the way to the Shining, and I doubt gen z tiktokers take any of this into account

[@tmarie69]

Great video! I never looked at the film as pretentious. Truthfully the film felt so unserious to me that I couldn’t catch the pretentiousness.

[@markbeulen7646]

Saltburn tried to be Talented Mister Ripley, but missed the point. And I don't want a film to say to me "Here's some stuff you totally didn't get. I am right, am I not?", because it was totally obvious.

[@luthor24127]

"I will never understand why this movie clicked with so many people" It's dark academia bro. But other then that, I haven't watched it yet, but I think the obsession with class likely appels to the economically insecure majority of the folks, especially gen z. You can say 'majority of middle class people are happy to be middle class' - but what middle class means is very dependent on the context... and I also don't believe that's true for everyone or even the majority, especially when they have a direct comparison around them (and Oliver is in Oxford and friends with a rich kid). Maybe you just don't fully grasp that hunger, that longing to have more and be equal amongst your peers and that's what makes the movie seem worse. It can still be shallow though.

[@henotic.essence]

This! Gen Z are some of the most dissatisfied groups of people today. Socially, financially, sexually, it's tragic. This movie is definitely dripping in gen z sentiments. The eagerness to throw away everything you are to experience the "more desirable" lifestyle. By the time they get there, it's a hollow victory because of what they had to do to maintain the facade.

[@surun5716]

People saybit was liked bc of aesthetics, but my theory is that people liked it bc is gross, and this generation LOVES gross

[@WatOnsonn]

But the point isn't that Oliver is "middle-class". Well, firstly because he isn't really middle-class, his family is extremely well-off, with a big house and a lot of healthy children in a seemingly good neighbourhood. Secondly, he is the villain. His motivation is just pure greed. That's the point of him being from a wealthy family. At first the audience might not like Felix's family but at the end you feel bad for a lot of them. It's a role reversal as we discover that Olliver is just a greedy, insane individual. Still, I think the main point of the film was to express how shallow the realtionships between extremely rich people can become and how even bigger sociopaths can exploit those relationships to rise to the top. It's not that deep but I wouldn't say it's "all aesthetic, no substance" like many people in the comments claim. On the shock value scenes, they aren't to show that Olliver is a "quirky weirdo" (as you say), they are to show he's an utterly insane sociopath, which by the end of the movie becomes fairly obvious. They are over the top, but they don't feel that out of place by the end of the film. Still, I understand why people think they're only there for marketing reasons, although the movie still has some great and memorable moments aside from that.

[@cactusbirb2440]

Omg thank you! I was looking for a comment that made this point! Like ltrrly it’s not trying to be something it’s not not every movie has to be an intellectual exercise that has to have 100 layers meaning and social implications. Sometimes it’s a well executed movie about a super freak psycho doing whatever means necessary to get the life a super rich family has and, that’s it.

[@helenomstreken7577]

Its interesting how pretentious reviewers get when talking about a pretentious film.

[@STRANDENGER42]

I am with you here. I love the originality for sure, and the soundtrack is fun, but I’m not blown away by the movie.

[@linkage432]

So many people were hyped on it that I watched it waiting for the shoe to drop. Then credits rolled and I was still waiting.

[@someguycp]

guys i don’t think Griffin likes this movie

[@DAEDAEANT]

Idk chief, you might be off on this one

[@griffin__sutek4958]

I don’t

[@Void.S_V]

I don't know how serious anyone could take the opinion of someone who believes Radley Scott's Napoleon is unironically a good film, and Avatar 2 "perfect".

[@thatweirdbwah_]

2:17 "lost their vision along the way." You're dead wrong for that

[@thiccrat]

the great thing about art is everyone views it thru their own subjective lens. we can learn a lot about someone based on how they differently interpret the same thing.

[@juliomendez2162]

I don’t think it’s meant to be an eat the rich story. The social dynamics are there because they inform character dynamics via power imbalance. To say that Oliver hating being middle class is a slight to the middle class is a weird take. I think she just wanted to make a fun, Gothic movie. It has little substance but is what it is

[@lordcheesewhiz7613]

While I don’t agree with everything u said. I think u did a phenomenal job getting ur point across respectfully in a way that made sense and this video was the perfect length. U presented ur argument near perfectly and I wasn’t mad

[@nope5657]

Fennel is a rich kid. Says all you need to know. I don't wanna be reductive and say people who come from wealth can't make truthful art, but Fennel's privileged upbringing REALLY shades this film. Its just...fucking shallow. Nothing in Saltburn feels...authentic artistically or thematically.

[@ad2838]

They shouldve went over the top and made Felix and his family vampires or blood ritual practitioners or something

[@owenwilson4059]

Ah yes, the old Ari Aster 3rd act turns into a cartoon movie

[@reginoramos9030]

The ending killed the entire movie made it feel pointless 😂😂

[@thinkfirst1989]

This movie clicks with so many people because it's about unrequited and impossible desire, and who among us hasn't felt that way? It's exposing the depravity of feeling some of us secretly sink to, and giddily so. It's very cathartic for that reason. And on top of that- just generally- it's decadent, slutty, and full of social drama...it's a very queer experience overall, and who among the chronically online isn't kinda queer, or at the very least- into queer aesthetics? It's en vogue. The popularity and poignance of Saltburn makes perfect sense.

[@santay7176]

I think the reason behind Saltburn success is the fact that it combines two of the most important and popular problems of our generation. Firstly the money, glam and aesthetic problem and secondly the old money and eat the rich craze . We don’t know what we want more. Do we want to be a part of them, the elite, the inside circle of never ending fun and glam, or we want to destroy them. Truth of the matter is, most of us are searching of a way out, but just like the maze in the film there is no way out. It’s a dark and pessimistic take wrapped in a beautiful and aesthetic packaging. Just like social media, celebrities and other forms of entertainment. I personally enjoyed the movie because of this. For as long as I can remember I haven’t seen similar, contemporary take on the matter. I can agree that the ending wasn’t the best. The pace was too fast competed to the build up.

[@notmyworkaccount99]

THANK YOU!! I felt like I was the only one who thought it was unmitigated tripe. When you described Oliver's monologue at the end as like a "supervillian"?? Big "YES!" from me, thats exactly what I felt in the moment.

[@TeChNoWC7]

You saw the nihilism, but not the message. That capitalism has utterly destroyed society, complete and utter moral decay, from the ground up. Absolutely everyone in the movie is deplorable, because the social construction of ‘chase after capital’ has destroyed us all.

[@scaryteri8]

I'm hard on films, and I agree with what you point out generally, at the same time, seeing it in the theatre was...one of the most unique theatrical experiences I've ever had. Literal audible gasps around me. The reactions were priceless. You and I may be burnt-out on sex-scenes in experiemental, indie or surrealist films - but huge swaths of the population are still truly wigging out over a bit of period sex. If anything it was a massive vehicle for Keoghan to break into movie-stardom, which didn't happen after Eternals. It inspired me to finally watch Killing of a Sacred Deer, and rewatch Talented Mr. Ripley and Cruel Intentions so kudos to Fennel overall. Saltburn was fun both watches, particularly at home where you see more issues and stolen ideas - but if you didn:t see it in theatres you may have missed out a bit.

[@brankosoucek123456]

Saltburn is popular because it's entertaining and well shot/acted. Why do we need to have a clearly defined hero/villain? Oliver is a sociopath (not simply a weirdo) and tries to manipulate everyone around him to get what he wants. Felix and his family are detached aristocrats who toy with people for their own amusement. This makes for an interesting clash between flawed human beings. That's all there is to it. Some will find it entertaining, some will not. Why do we need to have clearly defined social criticism? Eat the rich is a component of this movie, not its main theme. The same goes for what you described as disdain for the middle classes ( Oliver being embarrassed about his parents). He is embarrassed because he built an image of himself based on lies and this facade crumbles during that scene. How does that have anything to do with the director negatively commenting about the middle class? It's just part of the character. Every movie can be depicted as pretentious if we look for deeper meanings where there is none. IMO movies like Saltburn should not be over-analyzed. When we do, that's when we end up in pretentious territories :)

[@devonjones1579]

You mean, why should character depth matter or why should the movie have commentary to make? Becuse it sets itself up that way very conspicuously. If it was just going to be a fun sexy movie with some gross out gags then you don't really need an accomplished cinematographer. If the characters are not going to be fleshed out by the writer, then why hire big up and coming actors instead of just anyone. There is no reality in which the director did not want this to be a thought-provoking movie with class commentary--not if its right there in your face, in the first few seconds of the movie. She also wanted it to be about obsession---again, stated verbally this time in the first few seconds of the movie. And at the end she wants us to turn our minds off by saying it was really also a genre film, a campy gothic mystery the whole time --the completely cliched flashback moment. Movies that merged genre and class/social commentary together in a successful way that are thought provoking would be something like Parasite or Get Out. Those movies also manage to be more fun AND more subtle at the same time with their explorations of theme

[@BBest1996]

Unrelated I just watched the holdovers and holy shit it’s good like crazy good

[@TheCinemaDetective]

The Holdovers is the perfect antidote to Saltburn!

[@BBest1996]

@@TheCinemaDetective I wasn’t necessarily belly laughing at the jokes but the scene where angus is talking about his dad it got me emotional.

[@TheCinemaDetective]

@@BBest1996 I didn't so much mean it's an antidote for the humour, though it is funny, but more for the human spirit and kindness

[@jackhasbadopinions4262]

"Pretentious" and "try hard" are not valid critiques for any movie, let alone this one. This movie is being talked about like it's a social satire, when that's not the point of the movie at all. The whole point is that Oliver is a creepy weirdo who succeeds in tricking the audience at the beginning of the film, only for his manipulative nature to be revealed slowly as the film goes on, leaving the audience with a feeling of betrayal and bizarre satisfaction. It's entirely a character study --" look at how fucking odd this guy is." Oliver being middle class is completely central to his character. His obsession with upward social mobility is completely unjustified, because his life is fine -- which is, of course, the point. His greed and envy are not grounded in reality because he is completely delusional. He does not represent the middle class thematically, and it's weird to imply that? His character is not a slight against middle class people. You're not meant to relate to his shame, his feelings are supposed to feel kind of alien. I guess where we'd agree is that Saltburn "has nothing to substantial to say about class." This is a weird requirement for a movie to have in my opinion. Saltburn isn't obligated to be a perfectly Marxist piece of work or whatever, it's okay to make a simple movie about one fucked up little guy. Not every movie about rich people needs perfect social commentary in order to work. Saltburn works because it refuses to justify Oliver's actions, not in spite of it.

[@JoJoFriedRice]

At first I violently disagreed to how you felt about this movie but then I realize the same energy u have for this movie is the same energy I have for Howl's Moving Castle. It's an amazingly gorgeous film wherein nothing fucking happens and did not strike me as moving whatsoever but people love it so much.

[@halima974]

Thisssss

[@krizzamaegatto340]

Omg same, I enjoyed the movie yet after i watched it no feelings were evoked from me. It just doesn't resonate to me.

[@Walking_Spinel]

I was just about to comment this

[@Shwizzynet]

13:09 Tbf, I think the fact that Bo Burnham’s Inside got chopped up into TikTok sounds is proof that the degree to which TikTok misses the point of a piece of media has nothing to do with its quality.

[@KeyblademasterDovahkiin]

9:36 Farleigh is Felix's cousin, not adopted brother. This is kind of a big point in the film, with a whole conflict between Farleigh and the rest of the family about the money that they send to Farleigh's mother. You clearly weren't paying very close attention 😂

[@TeChNoWC7]

Don’t mistake having a despondent answer with not having a meaningful one.

[@davidalbee5039]

Finally. More people are speaking up about how horridly bland and messy this film is…

[@user-ft3vt6se3n]

That’s their opinion, do not act like things are “objectively bad but you’re allowed to like it”

[@francisc1854]

“Moments that are supposed to shock you!” My thoughts exactly. It’s nothing I haven’t seen before. Like the movie was beautiful but it did as you said, weird for the sake of being weird. Promising young woman was amazing and this movie thought it was more clever than it was.

[@kamjohnson6877]

I honestly felt like we were missing so much from oliver and that he got his wishes waaaaay too early, like how felix and his mom have horrible savior complexes (omg you mention it) which oliver immediately understood and played into. That made at least to me that oliver was on their level, which made the end kinda like... Okay now what

[@noxhsw]

i truly agree with everything you said!! and i also wanna add that even though most of the film is certainly beautiful in terms of cinematography (which is the carrying element since the story lacks nuance altogether), we are truly seeing the euphoria lighting and its consequences which is upsetting. someone please save jacob elordi...

[@Xavier.living.life.]

Was this movie supposed to be a deep and profound artsy film full of clever subversion? I just saw it as a movie about the weird quiet kid in the corner of every school ever actually going out and enacting their psychotic fantasies and taking full advantage of how stupid and up their own ass that some high class people are that some nobody could just decide one day to infiltrate their lives and completely destroy them, an interesting concept with a decent execution in my opinion. Also this film is pretty hilarious to me.

[@maxfeatley9751]

can I just say that people definitely didn't flock to it. Saltburn was a GIANT flop at the box office and barely anyone went to see it in theatres. it was only once it went to streaming that people started watching it because of how horny and uncomfortable it is. Sitting in the theatre with a few other strangers watching this film is the most uncomfortable I've felt seeing a movie, and not in a good way. i love me some body horror and disturbing shit but this film just felt strange in a theatre and the people who love it on streaming wouldn't have loved it if they saw it in a theatre

[@SamDavies94]

I really enjoyed Saltburn, the spiralling circle of obsession and control engaged me. I went in knowing nothing about it, other than Tiktok announcing it as having some disgusting scenes - that I didn't find shocking. But, I took those scenes with a pinch of salt, it's very much akin to something like Visitor-Q or (a more nuanced) Theorem.

[@softestsoap]

it being upheld as a queer movie is so lame too. like there are way better movies about queer people where they actually have sex and aren't nepo babies

[@skeleton5109]

YESS I WAS WAITING FOR ALL OF THESE VIDS TO COME OUT IM SO HAPPY

[@soapysoap3023]

ME TOO LMFAO

[@indisciipline]

shut up nerds

[@ItsBread-y6y]

Life has no meaning other than the meaning you give it, nihilism is easier than trying to figure stuff out.

[@romanaa7070]

This movie is very much "I'm 14 and this is deep"

[@JK_MindDump]

I dont see why every movie needs to have an underlying message or lesson to teach the audience. Why cant a movie just seek to entertain? Messages and statements are good to have in a movie but i dont see them as a necessity.

[@majorsjustin]

philistine if i ever saw one

[@jacobflores6345]

contrarian. it wasn’t a masterpiece, but it certainly wasn’t bad, by any means, or by any “critics” standards. at best it was marvelous entertainment and at worst it was a good film, but people love a good roast, i suppose🤷🏽‍♂️

[@Itsallanillusion30]

That's what this video feels like. Nothing more than Griffin taking a piss, because everybody else seems to love it. I usually agree with this guy's takes, but this one is just not it.

[@michaelegan3522]

That's your opinion. I thought it kinda sucked. Just because the guy in the video disagrees with you doesn't mean he's not sharing his genuine opinion.

[@munnybeats]

Major plot flaw: For somebody who is intelligent and has every move planned out, I find it hard to believe that Oliver would leave his phone unattended for Felix to answer which led to the true nature of his past being discovered!

[@ianray8823]

At least the soundtrack brought me back to my high school hipster days. Oh 2006, you are one of the cherished years.