when the studio f***ing hates its audience

[@FilmSpeak]

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[@whansenmovies]

Idk man, there was one year a very long while back where the only CB movie to come out was Howard the Duck

[@ldragon2515]

I mean, 1997 saw the release of Batman and Robin, Spawn, and Steel (though it did also have Men in Black)… But 2024 was indeed a pretty mediocre year for comic book movies.

[@3ftninja132]

Ah yes, the Spider-Man villains movie series. Without Spider-Man. And they're not villains.

[@stephencooper3583]

Yes, but they ARE movies... so one out of three? 😆

[@bryson0206]

​@@stephencooper3583honestly they aren't also worth calling movies bruh I'm not saying every movie needs to be oscar worthy type shit but God these "movies" were awful

[@TheBoondocksaint117]

The real villains are the Sony execs we met along the way.

[@amorojaz27]

Morbius is more of an off-again, on-again enemy of Spider-Man, but he's generally been more of an anti-hero, not a super-villain. If anyone could have his own story without involving Spider-Man, it's him.

[@nemesissam2613]

R cos

[@trayntp]

The only way Kraven could sustain a franchise is if they had started right out with him hunting familiar characters in a crossover of other characters Sony ruined. People hated Morbius, but I can assure you people would’ve been intrigued enough to show up to watch Kraven hunting Morbius in Kraven's first movie, then Venom in his second, and then maybe Spider-Man in Kraven’s last movie depending on how well the first two did. Heck, he may have even decided to team up with Venom at the end of the 2nd movie to hunt Spider-Man in the 3rd movie.

[@AbnerFXProductions]

I'm sure all these ideas were discussed in some Sony meeting, but they don't want any Spider-Man franchise, They just don't want the Spider-Man rights back to Disney, which actually wouldn't be a problem if they cared about making good movies. Is it really that difficult to make a good film? They probably realized that Miles Morales movies (which makes a lot of money) take a long time to make, and they only make these villain movies to keep the rights. Wtf I really don't know

[@ricniks4619]

Literally could have had him hunting Venom and it would have been more interesting than Venom 3 where Knull is off screen 98% of the time & only has mindless symbiote fighting Venom the entire time.

[@windowbreezes]

marketing is trying to make Villains look cool. I think their research of how cult classics evolve have had the opposite effect on them. you can't force cool shit because it just becomes a suburban mom trying to be cool with the kids.

[@trayntp]

@ …and they clearly chose wrongly by not doing it if they discussed it, which is why I said it. 😑

[@prowelshman]

Griffin cursing 2025 by starting it off with a Kraven review

[@ACompletelyRandomGuy]

Actually this was the final video of 2024

[@Louis-wx1fo]

☝️☝️​@ACompletelyRandomGuy

[@Michael-Gaming-6009]

@ACompletelyRandomGuy no it came out around 12:03 ☝☝

[@NeverLetOff]

Lol, right

[@ACompletelyRandomGuy]

@@Michael-Gaming-6009 In the Western US it came out at around 11.

[@botz77]

"We make great movies! You people are just stupid." - Sony Pictures

[@TheKey304]

Dwight Schrute as an executive: "THIS. WAS. A SUCCESSFUL MOVIE!!"

[@ricniks4619]

I remember that’s the excuse the executives at Warner Brothers used whenever their films would flop and be critically despised but to give Sony credit at least they got the message faster than Warner Brothers did 😂

[@50Nobody50]

@@TheKey304 It is your birthday.

[@craigbuckland4334]

Sony should re-re-release Morbius, along with Madame Web and Kraven as a triple feature for cinema masochists.

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

Sony needs a full creative and executive overhaul they need to get rid of avi arad and matt tolmach these people are ruining the Spider-Man franchise

[@TomGallagherSuperboyBeyond]

Avi Arad has been ruining the Spider-Man franchise for a long time now, how he still has the job is beyond me.

[@xenablossom4682]

@@TomGallagherSuperboyBeyond Ruining Spider-Man since Spider-Man 3.

[@turtleanton6539]

They already did

[@amiciprocul8501]

Don't you think if they could have, they would have already? He's got that AIPAC immunity.

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

@amiciprocul8501 yeah unfortunately

[@DabbleDo]

Sony CEO be like people didn’t see the movie cause of bad reviews, rather than the fact they consistently make garbage to fun-garbage films….

[@SIPEROTH]

Their own Venom films are proof that bad reviews ain't enough to stop people watching something.

[@mclaude3]

"My restaurant would have succeeded if it wasn't for the health inspectors scaring customers away!" 😂😂

[@noobmasterruben5167]

​@@mclaude3 good one

[@Anynom]

The Sony Spiderverse plans remind me of the Kitchen Nightmares ep where the owner of a bad place goes on about "you will see Sebastian's all over the world" and Gordon Ramsey yells "you haven't got fucking ONE right yet!"

[@darylchua2168]

tf is a sebastian

[@freshlymemed5680]

​@@darylchua2168 point proven

[@akl2k7]

​@@darylchua2168I think it's a restaurant

[@Sirhc_B8207]

​@@darylchua2168the restaurant name probably

[@dahken417]

The name of the failing restaurant in the Kitchen Nightmares episode. There is no explanation, the guy just liked the name.

[@whyarewealwaysyelling]

You can't convince me Sony isn't laundering money

[@morganrobinson8042]

So... Yakuza or Mafia?

[@terellcase9231]

Let's start a petition to get kraven back in theaters, it's kraven time

[@Tornado1994]

Morbius VS Kraven, its Morbin' Time.

[@nailinthefashion]

Im kraven another round (i haven't seen it)

[@josephk6214]

The potential was there for a Godfather-like narrative with this character, especially if he lost his morals throughout the movie as he became more obsessed with his hunt. But they literally took every wrong road they could've. I almost fell asleep twice during the first hour, and I was numb throughout the rest. I'm glad Sony is done (temporarily, at least) with this universe bs.

[@heroicgangster9981]

If the news about Sony being able to use Spider-Man is true, then they should bite the bullet bruh. With the Venom movies, I at least get the feeling that the movies were made by people that actually know how to make an acceptable superhero movie, maybe because they knew Venom is the only character they can't virtuously screw over. Unlike what they did with Kraven, Morbius, and Madame Web. Because they don't care about those characters. You can tell when you watch them. There's no vision, there's just production.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

AVI ARAD has ruined so far... * Borderlands * Kraven The Hunter * Daredevil (2003) * The Punisher (2004) * Elektra (2005) * Fantastic Four (2005) * X-Men: The Last Stand * Spider-Man 3 * Bratz (2007) * Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance * The Amazing Spider-Man 2 * Ghost in the Shell (2017) * Venom: Let There Be Carnage * Uncharted (2022) * Morbius * Venom: The Last Dance And now he's gonna ruin... * Legend of Zelda * Naruto As long as Arad lives, there's no hope

[@ethanburch422]

Damn how is he still getting work?

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

Weird calling it the sony Spider-Man universe when Spider-Mans not in it

[@kbatraful]

What’re your thoughts on the Sony CEO blaming critics for the failures?

[@FilmSpeak]

He's a remarkably tone deaf idiot.

[@Tornado1994]

@@FilmSpeak Morbius 2: Its Morbin' Time. Its like Sony Pictures is TRULY Inept.

[@herrderfinsterins104]

The fact that Kraven isn't black, female lesbian and disabled is something?!

[@KevinLopez-fm9kz]

What I would give to be a fly in the meeting rooms of Sony to see their thought process with these films.

[@Unky69]

just go and watch Pitch Meeting, man lol

[@KevinLopez-fm9kz]

@Unky69 where do I sign up

[@nailinthefashion]

It is so adorable you think thought went into them 💚

[@zachgonzales9522]

It's like the whole essence of a tragedy. Watching someone who starts out as a normal person slowly descend into madness. But for some reason, when a villians story is the perfect tragedy, they somehow keep trying to make comedies. They just forgot that tragedies are good stories too.

[@Lilcutiepie95]

It’s because they’re trying to copy the Marvel comedy thing, I think

[@Korra228]

It really says a lot when half of your franchise's movies are universally agreed upon to be bad

[@Crimson7458]

They should made movie adaptations of the other Spider characters like 2099, Spider-Woman, Spider-Girl (currently has the longest run of comics for any female marvel superhero I think), etc. The issue is that Sony would not have adapted them well. Spider-Verse proved the success of having people other than Peter being Spider-Man as the main character.

[@TheBlueShark]

They're making an adaptation of Spider-Man Noir

[@Crimson7458]

@ I know but a 2099 and Spider-Girl movie should have been more of a priority than Kraven and Morbius.

[@GIADALAZ]

I just always assumed Sony was allergic to money

[@BainesMkII]

There are presumably individuals involved who know how to still make a personal profit from a failure. The industry is so thoroughly built upon manipulating money so even the most successful movies never legally break even; you know there are individuals who know how to make a personal profit even when a movie fails.

[@0MG.N0]

Do you have an actual plan? "Well, I have concepts of a plan." Donald J Trump. Also: Sony.

[@windowbreezes]

they're purposefully making villains into Anti-Heroes because "bad is cool" and hoping it turns into a cult classic.

[@iamBlackGambit]

Heck the penguin was an incredible example of how you make a villian show!!!

[@krono5el]

they should have spent that time and money on the spiderverse animated movies.

[@M.W.2]

For those you need actual people to pay. This movie was made with AI script

[@technobladeleakedclips1827]

Those movies are woke dreck too

[@Memelord2020]

Good thing I saw The Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rohirrim, Sonic the Hedgehog 3, Mufasa: The Lion King, and Nosferatu instead

[@omniscientbarebones]

which were good?

[@ShrekDaddy-192nl]

There was a THIRD Sonic movie already!!???

[@omniscientbarebones]

@ yeah, came out on December 20th and it’s peak

[@michaelwoodby5261]

Why would you watch Mufasa and why would you admit to it?

[@justagamethrower]

Bro said he saw mufasa as if that was a good thing

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

If sony had brains they would actually hire someone with actual creative vision to lead their Spider-Man franchise

[@DecoderWalrus]

The Venom films are also bad. How far Sony has fallen.

[@SIPEROTH]

They are bad but entertaining bad.

[@Tornado1994]

@@SIPEROTH Morbius. It made Morbillion Dollars. What A Film and a A Movie that Morbius Is. One of the Films of All Time.

[@heroicgangster9981]

If it's true that Sony has to make live action Spider-Man movies every five years. Uhhhh... how hard is it to make an superhero movie in modern day superhero saturation hollywood?????

[@M.W.2]

I really don't understand why they take so many memorable chatacters to make less than forgettable movies

[@MattsoooN]

Is Kraven worse than Venom? Cause damn those three Venom movies is some of the worst movies ever made.

[@ShadowSonic2]

The only reason anyone watched Venom was because of Tom Hardy's insane performances. I mean "insane" in that he really just acts bonkers in those movies, not that he was acting good.

[@turtleanton6539]

Kraven and morbius and most of all madame web are all worse. Way;way worse

[@Tornado1994]

@@turtleanton6539 Morbius' Imploded in a Sea of pure FAILURE for Sony. It bombed. TWICE.

[@goldsearcher7606]

Sony really needs to sell Spider-Man’s rights back to Marvel Studios

[@SIPEROTH]

So Disney? Those guys are even worse.

[@goldsearcher7606]

@ A lot better than Sony, IMO. In fact, Disney would be saints compared to WB’s ownership of DC, too.

[@SIPEROTH]

@@goldsearcher7606 The guys who destroyed Star Wars, Pixar films and many of Marvel superheroes and comics? Yeah, i don't know what alternative reality you are living on. At least Sony produced some decent Spider Man Films, some decent animated ones and some good games even if they made some bad work with other Spider-Man characters.

[@goldsearcher7606]

@ Alright. Bye bye.

[@nathangonzalez9710]

A way this could have worked is Russell Crowe is the original Kraven. The Villian we know and love, who cloned himself and that young clone is ATJ. So the conflict is the nature or the enviroment that makes a person who they are. ATJs Kraven could be a anti-heroish. Crowe could be just a villian, we could have both.

[@dcamaraman939]

They should have done something like THE ACCOUNTANT. Two brothers, trying to break away from a toxic father's legacy, while trying to find their own version of strength.

[@thewatchtower4949]

We could have had the solo aunt may origin story movie :’( (real)

[@MoramothHauntz]

It's an infamous comic called Trouble

[@akl2k7]

​@@MoramothHauntzWasn't she secretly his mom or something?

[@MoramothHauntz]

@@akl2k7 yup. Thanks Mark Millar

[@turtleanton6539]

​@@MoramothHauntzthat gotta be reconned ,?

[@MoramothHauntz]

@turtleanton6539 not to my knowledge. My guess is no writer wants to remind people of it.

[@GameSlayer41781]

Dumb sony couldn't wait to cash in on these characters, sacrificing their time with Spider-Man for mid-bottom movie release that doesn't do the numbers it would if they were up against Spider-Man in their own movie. Such a waste of potential, there was plenty of time to do each of these in a Spider-Man movie, they're kinda ruined now. Which will pit Spider-Man up against the same villains again and again until there all gone.

[@NelsonStJames]

Directors, studios, writers, actors, you name it; creators hating their audience seems to be the thing and has been for a while.

[@klovisbergeron9910]

You know what could have worked The idea of legacy. Make it a rambo like movie with a bunch of folks/soldiers/assassins and villains going somewhere in african territory for kravens last hunt of sort. Make kraven a old man who never found his last hunt and near the end of the movie, the main character earns by fighting old man kraven to the death as the last rite of passage. Old Kraven give his name and legacy/power to the main character and we get one last battle where we see a new kraven hunt, kill rino and takes his horn as his trophy. Kraven's legacy live's on and it ''could'' be an anti hero flick... even if i think it does not need to.

[@The_Only_Trillionaire]

Reshoots happen while he cuts to the movie known to have over 6 months of reshoots ( Captain America brave new world) 😂

[@FilmSpeak]

Hey ya know...subtle dig 😏😂

[@mni1225]

2024, the year of studios hating their audience 🤩

[@freshlymemed5680]

Who knew tone deaf out of touch money bags didn't understand what people wanted.

[@Volnas97]

World's greatest hunter, who doesn't go after Morbius or Venom

[@thejuanderer4206]

Shit, I’m on my break at work, and immediately clicked on this when I saw it. Hell yeah.

[@StruggrlingCreatively]

Fun Fact there was an anti-hero Kraven in the 90s. Sergei’s son Alexei started as a villain following his father’s footsteps, before moving to Hollywood as ‘Al’ with his pet wolf Nickel who he could talk to. This didn’t last forever of course, but Al Kraven was an interesting character at least.

[@heroicgangster9981]

34:52 Tbh, if Toei can make 50+ episodes of Kamen Rider and then a (albeit tv budget) movie in between and after those long form yearly superhero tv shows. Then it's not just Sony not giving these creatives enough time to make a movie, it's Sony choosing the wrong people for these jobs. Also the wrong characters lol. Anybody good can make a good movie, all Hollywood does is make them more expensive and interfere for no good reason.

[@morg2040]

They don’t really care that much, even though the movies they make are really bad and have barely any heart or effort put into them they have managed to have success and break even on their horrible movies. The only movie not to make back the budget was Madame Web. They still are technically failures but Venom made them think they were onto something when it is much more likely that Venom was only successful because he’s the most recognisable villian to general audiences. You can have success with an unknown hero or such, Iron Man wasn’t really known but the Iron Man movie kicked off the whole Marvel franchise but then again Iron Man was actually a good movie. I don’t even think for the quality of the movies themselves that it’s really a thing with time but the pressure and interference from a studio like Sony. I think even if they had all the time in the world all they care about is adding things they think audiences want instead of just letting the creatives do their thing. Just look at TASM1 vs TASM2 or even Spider-man 1/2 vs Spider-man 3 in the past the things that happened to make those movies ‘bad’ or not as great as the prior films was the interference of the Studio forcing their own wants into those movies.

[@GamesWithBrainz]

aaron taylor johnson is getting massivley pushed as a leading man lately and its not working (even though i dont think hes a bad actor at all). also people at sony shouldve realized kraven isnt a popular spiderman villain to mainstream audiences at all and a standalone movie had very low chances to do well monetarily even if the movie had been decent

[@PenitusVox]

I have no idea if it's true and the Sony leaks from years back might help answer the question one way or another, I haven't looked at them, but in terms of "How does this happen?" I've often wondered if it has something to do with the multi-national nature of Sony. Could it be that with the language barrier and cultural differences between Sony America and Sony Japan that things constantly get misunderstood, redone, etc.?

[@kqyto]

they only make these spin offs so that they can retain the rights to the spiderman IP

[@turtleanton6539]

Cant they just make spiderman movies😅😅😅

[@tonymoviechappied9neillblo996]

Great video and Many spider man fans say that avi arad is spider greatest villian ever made. Maybe they a reason him and kevin Feige had a falling out back in mid 2008

[@stellviahohenheim]

The reason Marvel was so good back then was because of the Marvel committee that forced Feige to be true to the comics now they're gone you realise that Feige is actually useless

[@jamescannon7935]

When the whole studio hates its audience ❌ When the whole INDUSTRY hates its audience ✅

[@yunehversomi1458]

In the right hands and with the proper context, Kraven hunting other hunters could work really well. He proves he’s the best at it by beating everyone else. It’s the Most Dangerous Game but the other people are expert players and present a real challenge for him.

[@Aurora_Lightbringer]

For people who really care about owning the rights to these individuals, they really don't understand why they're so special. It's such a shame.

[@tajcee]

Helluva way to kick off 2025! I’m here for it 🍿

[@Theunloved1738]

“Listen to this…. We have a Spider-Man universe BUT GET THIS……. NO F*CKING SPIDER-MAN”

[@blushslice]

They genuinely think we are bullying and not grateful for good movies, I mean ..

[@LucasHopkins2006]

I’m personally always gonna say the Sonyverse wasn’t even a universe, cause these things were more disconnected than the DCEU! And I don’t wanna hear from anyone “Well the MCU didn’t start out with a bunch of crossovers before Avengers” because I’m not saying Venom and Morbius should’ve showed up in Kraven and Madame Web, what I AM saying is that if they wanted these movies to be in a shared universe than there should’ve been a number of references to the other movies or set ups for later stuff. Like Iron Man’s post credit scene set up the Avengers, Tony showed up in Incredible Hulk’s post credit scene, we saw a Captain America clock and Thor’s hammer in Iron Man 2, Fury and the Tesseract briefly showed up in Thor which came back around the next movie in Captain America: The First Avenger when Red Skull used the Tesseract and Cap met Fury at the end as well as Black Widow and Hawkeye appearing in Iron Man 2 and Thor respectively, and all of that was followed up in Avengers, even before Avengers this actually felt like a universe where things had happened, were happening in other places at any time, and something else was gonna come up even if it was about a God of Thunder when we were watching a guy in a metal suit. All this universe had (at least as far as I know) was a Venom reference in Morbius, yes Vulture appeared in that movie as well but let’s be real, that’s not getting followed up

[@IronCladEd]

Kraven the Hunter was always my least favorite Spider-Man villain. One of my favorite villains / anti-hero was always Morbius the living vampire but of course Sony had to go and ruin that by casting one of the worst individuals imaginable. And yes I'm referring to Jared Leto not because of his version of Joker but the fact that he.... I won't go into detail but just look up anything to do with him and a $ex cult

[@Mariofanaticanimations]

Let’s face it, Columbia Pictures aka Sony did have a good 100th anniversary and give that the Disney and Warner Bros treatment of bad 2023

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

Avi arad is the worst he also produced borderlands

[@akl2k7]

I wonder if it was him behind casting a woman in her 50s as a woman in her 20s and a short guy as a tall guy.

[@chungdha]

Dont understand how they make amazing animation movie, but sucks so bad making the live action movies.

[@ShadowSonic2]

I still find it hilarious how certain folks keep going on with the "MCU is dying/dead because they don't care about their fans!" stuff when Sony puts out trash like this and you somehow can't see that MCU clearly DOES care about its audience compared to Sony.

[@MoramothHauntz]

Can't wait for this to hit streaming and what kind of numbers Kraven does

[@HailEarendil]

How those Venom movies made money is beyond me. Tom Hardy looked like he was drunk & bored the whole time.

[@Jijikjkj]

Same company as spiderverse no🗿

[@KperaOfficial]

Thought sony owned columbia pictures...

[@Liam-je7mj]

7:57 that is a badass line though ngl. (ignoring the rest of the movie)

[@a.nonymouse]

Regarding the subject of LEGACY I feel like the main failing of modern Western civilization is simply this: We have become too obsessed with what people have as opposed to what it is they SHARE with society. We value WEALTH OVER WORTH, money and materialism over character and morality. I've always believed, "What you have is worthless, what you share is PRICELESS." Feel free to steal that one. Most people are too focused on what they can GET, what they can TAKE from this world that they don't spare a thought for the world they will leave behind. Legacy. The world we build is not only for US, it is for our children, grand children and so on. Anonymouse out.

[@punchout2418]

After Morbius, Madame Web, and Kraven I honestly believe Sony is trolling us.

[@dorialine1]

My one take is that when kraven stopped dmitri from killing rhino thats when he decided to go villain bc he saw kraven saying "this isn't you" the same as his dad thinking he is not strong enough. "Dmitri, i'm the only person that accepts you 100% and i lied and i'm actually strong and kill people and I say a guy like you could not kill your kidnapper" "well then I'm gonna be the kind of guy that would"

[@MASTEROFEVIL]

I didn't even know Sony made this

[@chumcalmdown]

14:00. Finally. I've been saying this since Marvel started the trend of side character movies. Not every secondary character needs to have their own movie or show. It’s perfectly okay to remain a side character and contribute to a single narrative or story. Every movie except for Venom has flopped horribly because Spider-Man is the central piece connecting all of these characters. It’s really that simple. We often prioritize fantasy over logic, and while it sometimes works out, other times it doesn’t. Forcing either approach is never a good idea.

[@FilmSpeak]

Yep! Very well said.

[@turtleanton6539]

And venom has his own comics

[@13nwaffles]

I’ve heard it said before, but Kraven could have worked if it was about him hunting the other Sony-verse characters like Morbius and Venom, rather than just another generic anti-hero stand alone story

[@seankingultimatespideyfan8427]

Maybe Sony should never have gotten involved with the movie industry

[@Tornado1994]

Sony brought Columbia from Coca Cola in 1988.

[@seankingultimatespideyfan8427]

@ Well Sony shouldn’t have

[@Brad772006]

Everytime Sony got the itch to make more of these movies they should have just re-released Morbius. Guaranteed hit right there with that Morbius.

[@Tornado1994]

Its Morbin' Time.

[@miggyontiveros2394]

Sony basically watched Daredevil 2003 and thought we needed more movies in that same style. Keep burning money Sony you're doing great.

[@laurelsilberman5705]

Love your vids man, you tell it like it is😂

[@Peaches-i2i]

The joker movie really shouldn't even be seen as a DC movie. It's like Taxi Driver, but covered in frosting so a dumbed down modern audience wouldn't recoil in horror at the concepts.

[@Gat720Dua]

The movie feels more like a Morbius sequel than a Kraven movie.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

Its their revenge for saying to give the rights to Disney

[@safeenentertainment8566]

No. They’re not that smart, lol.

[@dvass7253]

18:01-18:12 - Thank you! Russell Crowe in his prime would have been a fantastic Kraven!

[@Tarodenaro]

tl;dr this film is what happens when people who keeps shouting toxic masculinity didn't completely understand nor fully realized what they're trying to tell while being an absolute hypocrite in the very conceptual idea ended up projecting their own toxicity in place for the whole world to see.

[@nomadichippie1930]

“These aren’t bad movies”-some Sony exec

[@lq_12]

At this point I would say Sony just wanted to retain the characters rights no matter what

[@trvrsoutdoors]

From zero to negative zero huh? Uhhh.

[@fungicide9244]

The first Venom worked because Sony tried to make a serious horror/action movie, but due to their own incompetence, ended up with a dark buddy comedy that people actually had fun with. In the sequels Sony just went straight for the buddy comedy, but because sony completely failed to understand what made the first one fun, it just ends up being a two hour gauntlet of cringey jokes told by a tom hardy who looks like he'd literally like to be anywhere else.

[@Beardificent]

I understand Sony not using Holland’s Spider-Man, he’s a Disney Spider-Man, Sony should have used Maguire or Garfield.

[@DarthTingleBinks]

Before watching the video, I do want to say that I generally think making villain movies is a smart idea. And the villains they chose, Venom, Morbius, and Kraven, could ALL carry a movie on their own. I don't think they necessarily NEED to carry a movie on their own, but they can. Especially Morbius, who has had MANY solo comics, and whose connection to Spider-Man is practically irrelevant to his origins. But I think they fundamentally misunderstood who any of the characters they were adapting even were. Morbius should have easily been the best film of the bunch, even if all the other movies were genuinely great, so that's saying a lot. The first issue of the 1994 Morbius The Living Vampire series comes to mind as proof of that statement, the one that was a part of the Rise of the Midnight Sons crossover. They did okay with Venom but could've done better. And Kraven... If they were going to completely chnage what the character is and NOT make him a hunter, they still could have done better. But they also could've done a good story if they kept him a hunter. Madame Web is genuinely the only movie and character that I don't understand the reasoning for. I mean, I don't know anything about the character, but even if I did I'm not sure that would change anything. But it does show that Sony only made these movies to draw in fans of the characters and more specifically fans of Spider-Man to make money. They did not care enough to make the movies good. They just fot lucky that three of them were at least halfway decent.

[@FeelinKindaGrey]

If they were so Okay with F'ing up the character, they should have just leaned into it and made him fight the Predator. It wouldn't have been a good movie, but it would have been more fun than what we got

[@TF2CrunchyFrog]

i've never read a Kraven the Hunter comic. So Kraven is just Beastmaster (from the 1980s movie), but as a villain obsessed with stealing the powers of animals and conquering Nature instead of a nature-connected hero with Beastmaster's animal empathy? Kraven in his lust for "the Hunt" should ultimately become animalistic as he loses what distinguished humans from the raw animal psyche: self-control (one of the virtues of Enlightenment). If they wanted Kraven as an anti-hero who solely kills "criminals", he's basically just Dexter; if he hunts "monsters" (vampires etc) he's basically just Edward/Ted Forrester the government-sanctioned assassin for homicidal supernatural creatures from the Anita Blake novels.

[@Vicerel]

An studio planning being creatively overwhelmed on its own sunk cost fallacy, sadly they will always be number 2 on the crash your multiverse speed running category as well, memes were a hoot though.

[@RoseKoneko]

“Finally get its shit together.” Sony’s actual take: “We were review bombed, these were good movies people attacked.”

[@cmasterson]

My wife loves the actress that played Madame Web. She loved the actress that played Acolyte. She REFUSED to watch even a trailer or clip of that movie or show. And my wife is a person to binge Greys Anatomy, Twilight, Vampire Fiaries and Originals and then restart binging them again. Now my wife will say what I have always said “Someome sat in a board room and shared that idea of a movie and others said ‘yes we are going to make a billion dollars guys’ … wtf” lol. 😂 I have rubbed off on my with pun intended and not intended. Lmao 🤣

[@vietimports]

these studios probably do hate their audience, but i think it is more that they are stuck in the pre-streaming days when audiences were forced to go to theaters to watch new content. so back in the day a lot of movies made a lot of money at the box office (and subsequently on vhs/dvd sales) because theaters pretty much had a captured audience and people had to go out to watch new things. so a lot of trash made a lot of money (a lot of trash also lost a lot of money). but now audiences have so many options and have become generally more sophisticated in their media consumption that studios are having a hard time completely adapting (audiences, for example, seem to greatly enjoy tv shows more than most movies outside of big events)

[@marcusspade8223]

making this movie over 2 hours shows how little they respect their audiences

[@anguishedcarpet]

Sony is getting so good at hating their audience they forgot to advertise to them. I didn't know this movie existed until hearing about how it failed lmfao

[@capercrusader7129]

Helldivers2: "First Time?"

[@TheBeelzboss]

Not a single movie from this Sony experiment was worth our time in reality. The only one that comes CLOSE is the first Venom movie. Venom 2 was horrible and Venom 3 was bad.

[@FJRism]

As an action flick I really don't think this was bad, but if the point was to be "kraven the hunter " then yeah, they missed the mark.

[@starkravingmad31]

I feel like every time Aaron-Taylor Johnson is the "hero," he's always reined in and his performance just comes across as boring. When he's able to go all out as a villain, he steals the show. He's the best parts of both Bullet Train and Fall Guy, easily overshadowing leading men Brad Pitt and Ryan Gosling, respectively. The man's a born heel, and movies just need to let him eat.

[@simulationone]

Kraven was bad but ATJ looked good 😂

[@thenotsodaringdevil]

Rest in pieces to SPUMM- the Sony Pictures Universe of Marvel Movies