Final Countdown - Description of the Pearl Harbor attack

[@Scoonertuna]

I think this film deserves more credit than it really got.

[@elveskickass]

Well said.

[@CheckThisOut77]

I LOVE this movie. Great soundtrack, too, by John Scott.

[@stormthrush37]

100% agree.

[@emperorjames794]

Agreed, it's one of my favorites.

[@spirg]

Agree !!!!!

[@blockmasterscott]

What's amazing is that the actor playing the Japanese pilot was really good at comedy. Dude was hilarious. He always had me laughing hard in MASH. 🤣🤣🤣

[@cleekmaker00]

Soon-teck Oh was his name. Chuck Norris' nemesis. The Master in Mulan.

[@esbam2002]

He was in a lot of different movies, TV Shows and roles. Same with Mako and James Hong.

[@g.t.richardson6311]

Mash

[@pcbacklash_3261]

Indeed. He appeared five different times on MASH -- the fourth most frequently appearing guest star, behind Byron Chung (six times), Jerry Fujikawa (seven times) and the all-time champ, Richard Lee Sung (TEN times)!

[@johncarre7135]

Soon-teck Oh is Korean.

[@blazerocker1734]

It's a fine sci-fi drama with the big reveal cleverly kept until the last minute and a half, right after the climax that was not exactly what was desired but necessary in the end. It's an unusual movie but definitely worth at least one viewing.

[@eliaspeter7689]

The time travel concept in this film is great I think. Everything they do in the past already affected the present (since Owen was there from the very beginning as mr Tideman).

[@anusmcgee4150]

The plot ultimately goes nowhere but it's a supremely interesting "what if"

[@AB-ez4rm]

Few people know that this Japanese pilot survived the gunshot wounds and ended up fighting in the Korean War as shown on the TV show MASH.

[@scottpage4633]

Lol

[@algallego]

Yes, and even fewer realize that he was a member of a secret ninja clan who would one day have a showdown with Lee Van Cleef as well!🥷👹🦹🥷🥷🤸🥷🥋⚔🏹➿⛓🌀🥷 kzbin.info/www/bejne/api6mmxvia9laK8 kzbin.info/www/bejne/api6mmxvia9laK8 kzbin.info/www/bejne/api6mmxvia9laK8

[@Nebris]

The irony of this comment is that the wonderful Soon-tek Oh - who played the pilot - was actually Korean.

[@VictorRomeo1917]

he and Mako were in MASH soooo many times, as soldiers from both sides

[@Fletchman1313]

And then joined the North Vietnamese army and ran an illegal hidden POW camp?

[@johnholliday5874]

One of those movies I will watch Every time it comes on.

[@moboutmen]

Damn underrated flick. One of the better WTF?!?s by the Japanese pilot.

[@Chickennss]

That actor did a great WTF face.

[@walboyfredo6025]

"Ok can you give me the Japanese lottery numbers"

[@Alvin-1138]

👆😁👍

[@nlimchua]

very, very funny! Thx for making me laugh 3 years later....

[@cleekmaker00]

00:27 "The Carriers were the Akagi, Kaga, Shokaku, Zuikaku. Hiryu. Soryu."

[@The_Fat_Controller.]

He sure butchered the pronunciation of _Akagi_ and _Kaga._

[@michaeltalley51]

Narrator: "The Japanese fleet carriers-Akagi, Kaga, Sōryū, and Hiryū were sunk during the Battle of Midway."

[@sce2aux464]

@@michaeltalley51 _Shōkaku_ - Sunk by a torpedo launched by the USS _Cavalla_ at the Battle of the Phillipine Sea, 19 June 1944 _Zuikaku_ - Sunk by air attack in the Battle of Leyte Gulf, 25 October 1944

[@maroldorn]

This is classic. He has to know this, if he graduated from the military academy.

[@cavman7]

I have watched this movie so many times. I love it.

[@MichaelWilliams-mo1vv]

Agreed. A classic

[@rc59191]

Same dude especially the practical effects.

[@HowardHalifax]

For all its flaws (of which there are very few), this movie is AMAZING!! I mean, if younwatch it only for the footage of carrier flight operations or the F14 Tomcat alone, it'll thrill you. My only two disappointments with this gem is that first, they didn't have the budget left to make the time storm special effects what they were intended to be, and secondly, that they used photos taken during the attack on Pearl Harbour as the photos of Pearl Harbour the day before. I wish they'd built a realistic, identical mock up model of battleship row, and taken a colour photo of that instead. Nonetheless, this is one fantastic movie and I love it.

[@algallego]

That mockup of battleship row would have likely been an undertaking beyond their budgetary allowance for the production. You already mentioned that they didn't have much for the time travel fx.

[@craigharris41]

@@algallego The "Time Travel" was a Rosen-Einstein Bridge, he calls it a "Portal" in the movie. They took stuff from The Philadelphia Experiment as well. The fact is the 2 folks left on the island were working for D.A.R.P.A. Hell they may have invented it.

[@Alaninbroomfield]

I watched it in the theater when it was released. I think I was the summer between 5th & 6th grade for me. I remember admiring the carrier operations and the dogfights, but the greater story and human impact was lost on me. I understand it now though, and I DO like it even more now.

[@navyhmc8302]

If you can find it, (I couldn't) watch the Making of The Final Countdown. a lot of interesting information.

[@ObviousTroll2016]

When you are playing the campaign but already know how it ends

[@fredmooney267]

That scene still gives me chills!!!!

[@janefelix3821]

What is interesting is that Cmr Owens mentions that the Japanese sent 355 planes to attack Pearl Harbor. Why would that number matter to a pilot? Had he known about the attack the next day he would wonder what happened to the other 170 planes as the attack called for over 500 planes in three waves. It became evident to Adm Yamamoto during the first two waves that the three carriers that should have been at Pearl were not there, the USS Enterprise and Lexington were out at sea and couldn't be found by the attacking planes and the USS Saratoga was in San Diego. With two fully operational carriers somewhere in the vicinity and the US Navy having an idea where the Japanese fleet was, they saw the direction the attacking planes flew away from Hawaii and knew their ranges, Adm Yamamoto felt it was prudent to leave the area and called off the third wave

[@Nebris]

I was always disappointed the Nimitz got sucked back to the future.

[@Alvin-1138]

We all were, 😉I was livid! But they had to avoid "The Grandfather Paradox". My guess is had they escaped the timestorm they would just become ghosts/phantoms that are sometimes seen throughout history.

[@Mike-01234]

A single carrier from 1977 take on 6 Japanese carriers and groups of ships. What would the attack plan have been? Likely anti ship missile take out the carriers the aircraft won't have a place to land. The attack on Pearl Harbor would have been stopped likely if Pearl Harbor never happened the US never have entered the war Leaving England to be invaded by Hitler. Hitler could turn all his forces back on the Soviet Union. There were lot of supporters of Hitler in the US make no mistake about it 1940's.

[@ashwin2353]

@@Mike-01234 Germany was never in a position to invade the UK even if the USA didn't join the war, and the germans would have lost the eastern front regardless of what extra forces they could pull from the west by having the US only supply the UK with Arms and Supplies.

[@strykrpinoy]

@@ashwin2353 If the US didn't arm the Soviets while they were rebuilding the factories in the URALS the Soviet army would of starved to death . If we didn't supply England they would of been starved off. Japan bringing us in saved them. America would of let the UK be cut off until Pearl Harbor Isolationism was very dominant.

[@strykrpinoy]

@@Mike-01234 Anti ship missiles DID NOT EXIST UNTIL THE 1950'S. The Japanese Task force would of been toast.

[@Wardy7109]

This movie is so amazing it's worth replaying many times, they better get a remake where the Nimitz didn't got sucked on the time storm, and I was so excited when the new fighter aircrafts are about to fights the old propeller japanese aircrafts they should have continued it.

[@craigharris41]

The folks that invented The Wormhole sent them back to the Day Before the attack, that Storm knew where they were and what it needed to do. The play on it is its a DARPA Experiment.

[@agniteyt]

Imagine a whole squadron of Tomcats, Crusaders and Intruders just wrecked the whole Japanese Fleet. Imagine the time paradox

[@algallego]

That was the concept or premise on which the movie teased the viewers to coax them along for the 1h 43m feature length-- only to disappoint you at this exact moment! kzbin.info/www/bejne/bn6aZax4bsmoiMU

[@joeswanson733]

no big deal it will just create a branh timeline where there is no pearl harbor and history unfolds differently while the main timeline still happens as what once happened will always happen.

[@craigharris41]

Yes it would have destroyed the "World Line" and created a new reality.

[@VictorRomeo1917]

search exactly that - you'll find many videos on here of that and other variations in digital combat sims (DCS). A fav is the CWIS phalanx system to defend Pearl Harbor, and protecting ships from mass Kamikaze attacks

[@northernstudioworks]

Even though the film is "dated" it is still a good watch. I usually watch this along with Raise The Titanic. Both make for a great early 80s Double Bill.

[@Kicker1981]

Akagi wasn't mentioned as a carrier...…...

[@ferdievanderwalle7631]

Akangni, Kongna... XDDDDD Really now

[@CorsetGrace]

Akagi nor Kaga. Don't really know what he was saying there.

[@McRocket]

Kicker1981 - He did...he just pronounced it weird.

[@alainarchambault2331]

I'd say he was pronouncing those names much like the Japanese would pronounce them.

[@RatWithAHat42]

They mentioned it, in....a weird inaudible audio.

[@tstahler5420]

Great movie! The flight deck scenes are beautiful because of the old school aircraft.

[@daryg352]

Best scene 👍👏👏👏

[@jrindrll6682]

"Our Job is to protect the Constitution, Past Present and Future". Good movie. Can't remember the name.

[@KeoniPhoenix]

The name of the movie is The Final Countdown.

[@joedon9758]

is your constitution allow to attack independent countries without any evidence of guilty?

[@TrusteeNail]

@@joedon9758 yes, and I’m tired of pretending it’s not 🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷

[@craigharris41]

@@joedon9758 That was a great point, The Japanese hadn't attacked yet, so know act of aggression had occurred.

[@alessandromone9313]

Good thing we could have said whatever we wanted since there were no cameras there to dispute your version.

[@netkongen]

I fucking love this movie.

[@erichurst2496]

I am such a sucker for a good time travel flick.

[@mikehar6638]

the interesting thing is the congressman in real life was a ww11 decorated soldier. he was a member of the big red one from omaha beach to the end of the war. i'm not sure if he was buried at arlington but it was a strong possibility.

[@kevinluschak5241]

This was an amazing film!

[@navyhmc8302]

I have watched this movie numerous times and have just not noted that the 1911 that Soon-Tek-Oh (LT Shimira) is holding, has the slide safety on - wouldn't shoot.

[@kevinluschak5241]

Prob one of the greatest movie of it s time!

[@Alexfolsome1121]

Great movie I watched it a 100 times on HBO. I was also born in Hawaii, every year the 7th of Dec. was a very sad day. But the attack had to happen. Without the attack the US would have never entered WWII. To the 3500+ dead servicemembers please RIP. But this event saved the world from the NAZIS! Their lives saved the world.

[@guntherultraboltnovacrunch5248]

You can't say we would have "never" entered the war without pearl Harbor. We had already approved the "lend lease" act, And Hitler was already coming to the realization that he was going to have to attack American ships supplying the U.K. if he stood a chance to win the war. Additionally, Japan wanted the Philippines (and more) and the Philippines were a U.S. protectorate at the time. Japanese expansion into the South Pacific, and Hiter's u-boats would have forced U.S.'s hand. It was inevitable.

[@aussie6910]

No. It shortened the war & saved western Europe from the Russians.

[@pcbacklash_3261]

I think I'd be freaking out too if some random middle-ranking officer on an enemy ship somehow knew all the top-secret details of my fleet's attack plans!

[@deniseeulert2503]

James Farentino was so good looking. And I loved this movie Then I found out that Charles Durning was a real WWII vet, being among the first wave at Omaha Beach. He had all kinds of medals.

[@actioncom2748]

I think this scene would have been more effective if they were using the info as a ploy to get the pilot to believe that the U.S. wanted the attack to go forward.

[@garypulliam3740]

Explain.

[@actioncom2748]

@@garypulliam3740 Try to get the pilot to believe they have no interest in stopping the attack.

[@garypulliam3740]

@@actioncom2748 So that he would not be hostile and lay down his weapon?

[@actioncom2748]

@@garypulliam3740 It would ease tensions. Be he'd be faced with the fact that they know everything and they plan to do nothing about it. So There is no urgency for the radio.

[@garypulliam3740]

@@actioncom2748 Ok.

[@ashleighelizabeth5916]

It's a great movie let down by the third act. Since they can't really change history the entire trip into the past and back becomes utterly pointless. There is fan fic out on the internet where the Nimitz gets stuck in the past and becomes the centerpiece of the war against the Japanese in the Pacific. THAT was a very interesting read and well written for something that was done by amateurs.

[@jason60chev]

I don't think that we are supposed to notice....the slide safety on the pistol is engaged. If he pulls the trigger, the pistol will not fire. The Marine had it in condition One.

[@CavZippo]

Hollywood and SAG safety requirements.

[@Keys879]

@@CavZippo Pretty sure all guns used in hollywood are fake. There was a documentary here on YT somewhere about how they make them, mostly rubber and wood. So that safety switch is from a mould made and wouldn't move if they tried haha (though I honestly wasn't on set, so who knows!)

[@CavZippo]

@@Keys879 no. Weapons are a mix of "rubber duckies" that you describe, firing replicas - firearms with barrels or muzzles fitted with defusers so that real bullets cannot be fired from that weapon - and real weapons for close ups and "staring down the barrel" shots. Both studios and the SAG have pretty strict rules, like firing replicas and real guns are not to be aimed at an actor which is why you see so many scenes where the gunman is obviously pointing close to, but not at someone.

[@toomanyaccounts]

@@CavZippo many guns used in hollywood movies and tv shows are very real. they fire blanks obviously (real bullets are fired during firearms instruction with the actors) but even blanks can kill someone due to the gas pressure being emitted. forgotten weapons channel had a vid detailing why most movies are filmed in canada (canadian company that armors tv and movie productions doesn't have the restrictions that us companies have, there are no import restrictions on machine guns for the civilian market in canada while the us has banned any import of machine guns for civs since 1968 for example) and how they adapt guns to fire blanks sometimes its easily reversible other times it is a permanent change.

[@CavZippo]

@@toomanyaccounts no shit. Pretty cleary I'm aware of that if you had read the interaction between my post and the person that replied to me, then my follow reply. Your comment is the equivalent of "water is wet". No grow the fuck up and stop trying to impress someone with your movie watcher knowledge of Hollywood.

[@DustDevilRage]

After seeing that technology, and hearing their plan foiled, that Japanese pilot died knowing beyond all shadow of a doubt that defeat would fall upon the Empire of Japan.

[@Malbeefance]

I still love this film but it is not without its flaws. Like, how is it that a Japanese fighter pilot with the lowly rank of lieutenant has any knowledge of the super secret Pearl Harbor attack coming. His orders to clear any potential radio threats not withstanding. And where did those fighters come from? The Zero-sen fighter had awesome range, for its time but not awesome enough to fly from the Marshall Islands to within a hundred miles of Hawaii. Still, I love this movie for the great romp it takes us on and the good performances of the actors.

[@maroldorn]

This is classic! You have to now that, if you studied at military academy!

[@asdrubalgonzalez3445]

Fantástica me encanta

[@simongee8928]

Not that it takes away anything from this cracking film, but a fighter pilot wouldn't have been privy to such extensive knowledge of the Japanese battle plan - ! 😅

[@duanevp]

True, but he'd be floored that they seem to know even more details of their entire operation than he does. He might not have even known where the Japanese fleet was headed but holy crap! the Americans DO? They just named the 6 carriers involved and he'd have known they were part of the fleet, moving together to... somewhere. Crap! Our entire plan has obviously been discovered! They know were we headed out from, which means they have spies all over Japan! They've even broken our codes! In short, he doesn't need to have knowledge of the whole plan to be convinced that the Americans DO have knowledge of the whole plan. That was the point of telling him all those details - WE know EVERYTHING, so put the gun down. And it was working! Until...

[@johnmcdonald587]

So he's got the 1911 to the girl's head but the thumb safety is engaged.

[@beware3586]

The safety is on bro. I don't think he realizes that.

[@robert7984]

Awesome movie

[@mikehar6638]

interesting thing as i remember the congressman went into acting to cope with ptsd.

[@jimpaapway3468]

the Aircraft carries were : Akagi, Kaga, Sōryū, Hiryū, Shōkaku, and Zuikaku not kong ni and kong na !!!

[@MichaelWilliams-mo1vv]

Great movie

[@Bladerunner4924764]

Charles Durning, a WWII veteran that stormed the beaches at Normandy and suffered severe wounds. A real class act that guy.

[@tomb7942]

And the Battle of the Bulge where he was one of the few survivors of the Malmedy massacre.

[@robertmorris8997]

Thumb safety on.

[@garypulliam3740]

It was an American gun. He wouldn't have thought about it.

[@take5DD]

We would never know how those jets would have destroyed the whole Japanese Air Force.

[@Mike-01234]

One of the best scenes in the movie. This was way better then Top Gun.

[@johnward6699]

Sometime, they should do a sequel without screwing it up. Most sequels are horrible and very disappointing

[@pfcn2]

Fiction News Flash Scene by Time Traveler commercials. :)

[@jedi1967]

A remake with James Cameron at the helm between Avatar movies is a sure blockbuster

[@craigharris41]

Nolan's TENET Movie had a lot of the same theme's

[@mkat2087]

There's no way a pilot knows the code name that orders the attack on Pearl Harbor to "climb nitakayama."

[@andrewnlarsen]

But he does know the carrier names.

[@craigharris41]

@@andrewnlarsen Code name was Tora Tora Tora.

[@brucetucker4847]

@@craigharris41 No, that was the code the first attack sent back to the carriers to signal that surprise had been achieved.

[@ashfrog8]

If he was flying the attack mission the next day then he absolutely would know the code.

[@Boba-Fett-GS1150Ez]

USA: Don't touch our boats.

[@StarWarrior91]

Top Gun for nerds 👍

[@MrNaturalSez]

"The Great Santini": Top Gun for Marines!!!

[@craigharris41]

Well this movie did inspire a lot of the 1986 Top Gun "Shots".

[@cat-lw6kq]

Great film but U.S. Marines are responsible for security would have taken him to the brig. Marines aren't dumb as dirt like these actors.

[@Alvin-1138]

Even if he was injured in the Cras

[@MrNaturalSez]

Don't be so sure! I wasn't always the quick-witted genius I am now ;) --BLT 2/8, 32nd MAU

[@micktre7608]

I have just seen this documentaryfor the first time. Although based on the Nimitz the true story revolved around the SS Minow involving Gilligan and the skipper too

[@RSTI191]

So glad they never did a remake..

[@checkmateking2854]

The correct spelling is *PEARL HARBOR*

[@sce2aux464]

Shinjuwon!

[@billallen8998]

If that movie could be made now with modern special effects it would be a lot better

[@babbyfacerevocation2740]

I don't want to take anything away from Kirt Douglas he's a fine actor but if William shatner that played the part of the the captain it would have been a more popular movie.

[@chrispile3878]

First of all - it's KIRK. Second, Shatner couldn't hold a candle to Mr. Douglas's acting chops.

[@borghome]

But the lines would....... take *ah* longer because of *oooh uh* shatners long drawend out *uh*.... over..... acting LOL

[@robertmorris8997]

@@borghome as in Over the Hedge? :)

[@garypulliam3740]

Not.

[@HowardHalifax]

Bollocks. Kirk Douglas absolutely owned the role.

[@ChevronTango]

Odd film. They spend hours deciding what to do, then get sucked back to the future before they do it making it all a complete waste of time.

[@Alvin-1138]

Weirder: They should've know they would get sucked back, because they didn't experience historical "Day a CVN Won the War" in 1941

[@panzerfast5000]

Comment written by an 8 year old. Do you know the ramifications of time travel if it was to exist in real life because that's how they are acting in the movie.

[@santaniawilliams5464]

1st amendment audit

[@stevencramsie9172]

The fact that these actors weren’t willing to get proper haircuts to play a military role always takes me out of the plot.

[@hotforteacher7540]

Even that freaked out the Japanese dude LOL

[@spirg]

Awesome movie