Final Enigma - The Trackmania Map That Nobody Will Ever Finish

[@fermatt]

Wirtual: This map is impossible, nobody can finish it. Random viewer who never played Trackmania: Fine, i'll do it myself.

[@plakomismark]

Wirtual in 5 years with documentary voice: ...and then, Hefest got this run.

[@Prominent96]

@@plakomismark lmao

[@jessegd6306]

Riolo or whatever his name is would probably do it. At 50% slow-down speed.

[@dwirandypradhika6752]

nobody can finish it *"yet"*

[@jessegd6306]

@ARKN How's about x4 slowdown speed?

[@jasonniu7386]

this track should be a multi lap

[@YeahJustAdam]

this comment right here officer.

[@einarmadillo3626]

Found Satan

[@natsuno.]

Satan: I just wanna say that I'm a huge fan

[@FischlInsultsMePls]

@@natsuno. even satan has a limit

[@sploda9886]

💀

[@SinclairWest]

The fact that this IS possible in theory is the most absurd thing of it all

[@Bobbystheboy]

How does in theory work? The map creator finished it?

[@usednapkin7083]

The verification run was segmented

[@bubbley1234]

@@Bobbystheboy people played each of the checkpoints individually, that means each of the checkpoints is humanly possible, but getting it in one run is pretty much impossible.

[@sinom]

@@bubbley1234 afaik they didn't even finish whole checkpoints but actually also spliced multiple times within the checkpoints

[@K_Levi]

@@Bobbystheboy they did every jump one by one (like 5 section for every checkpoint)... and one driver was still not enough for the job

[@Bolt6265]

This track feels like some kind of purgatory for trackmania players, especially with the ominous aesthetic. like before you can go to the afterlife you must spend an eternity beating final enigma.

[@N09357]

With what I know about Trackmania players from this guys videos, within two centuries or so someone would post a shortcut idea on the afterlife trackmania forum, and then within two months someone would probably get a 46 seconds or something ridiculous like that. For Trackmania players, eternity is a blessing, not a curse.

[@donanthebarbarian5177]

@@N09357 yeah this map would only be purgatory for trackmania players if you had to beat it legit and shortcutted with no communication with others from start to end.

[@Faith-gc7kr]

final enigma is the way my grandparents took to go to school

[@danielshamlian2800]

beautiful comment

[@jameswhite6719]

With snow

[@ls_tempest6712]

Back in my day, I had to walk uphill backwards, fighting tigers with nothing but a slipeer or however the hell Steven He's father says it.

[@RC.13]

One of my favourite comments on KZbin ever

[@AshenRJ]

The first person to literally speedrun this map will unlock the next step of evolution of human race.

[@ezbgambler]

Complete*

[@yaboikiba4302]

The problem with that is that the first person to speedrun this map will never get to reproduce, so we're still on a stalemate

[@garage_projects]

Or will he unlock the next step of trackmania race??

[@loganschulz6430]

@@ezbgambler If you're the only one to ever complete it you technically did speedrun it

[@Spirilyy]

Challenge accepted

[@Corrupted]

The aesthetic fits the hellish theme so well, i love it

[@Kratonis23]

Du lebst ja noch

[@athyderboss]

Corrupted, bist du's? Schön dich hier zu finden!

[@jamiefa2000]

Does segmented mean that its not in 1 session or does he mean that its 0 respawns?

[@athyderboss]

@@jamiefa2000 It was splitted into many short sessions

[@jamiefa2000]

@@athyderboss yes but would completing the map require no respawns or severeal respawns but just in one session. Like would that still qualify as completion

[@victor_e_dafeet8218]

I love the aesthetics of this map, the red grey and black puzzle pieces look nice and oddly fit the name

[@inpy]

yeah it's pretty, has some vibes like bowser lava stages in mario 64 lol

[@robertdevito5001]

Reminds me of spy kids

[@Notorious1210]

Gives boss fight Vibes

[@stevenclark2188]

It reminds me of Hell in the original Doom. This is Trackmania Hell. You murder a dozen children and you get sat in front machine and made to sped all eternity verifying TAS's on it.

[@danijelujcic8644]

@@inpy I thought it's Mario 64 done by tim Burton ^^

[@jukete4367]

the creator was like halfway through making a press foward map when decided he wanted the player to figure out these precise tricks

[@AnJelloSnaccy]

"The verification was hacked" Trackmania: *It is... acceptable*

[@speedymatt1236]

But barely.

[@jazzensemble]

Imagine the nerves getting past the turtle checkpoint. This is why nobody will ever FC final enigma.

[@BananenBoerBob]

If this was the proper way to do the map I'd probably keep looking for things like überbugs for 10 hours to yeet myself from checkpoint to checkpoint. With RNG there is a chance of finishing, legit there is no way in hell.

[@NeZCheese]

Trackmania does NOT involve ANY RNG whatsoever. Too bad.

[@The_Viktor_Reznov]

@@NeZCheese RNG as in "human luck" I assume

[@hamsterdam1942]

@@NeZCheese Uberbug is so sensitive to inputs that you might as well say that it is random

[@BananenBoerBob]

@@NeZCheese I meant the unskilled attempting of überbugs without knowing what input would trigger what outputs. Which is not random on the game side but it is at the player side.

[@5omebody]

@@BananenBoerBob even skilled attempts... considering inputs that precise aren't exactly humanly possible. more skill will just make it less "rng"

[@therranolleo468]

can't wait for new month Cup of the Day troll week to just be this map, no need to clear, just survive

[@SimonBauer7]

would need to be ported to tm 2020 first though

[@therranolleo468]

@@SimonBauer7 this map isn't from tm 2020?

[@Gigasimo456]

@@therranolleo468 tmnf

[@Cxncubine]

That would be great actually Whoever makes it the furthest wins COTD

[@Pizzawarrior96]

But then Hefest got this ru..... no wait this is literally impossible

[@privatjetconnaisseur]

considering how many things were thought of as "impossible" in 3 years we come back to this and there was somebody stupid enough grinding this track for 3k hours/ year alongside many others who finished the map.

[@emperorsascharoni9577]

@@privatjetconnaisseur nah man honestly no one would.

[@StormTheSquid]

The worst part is, theoretically, you're wrong. It's technically entirely possible. Technically.

[@normalpersonlivingtheirlife]

Not impossible but more you would have to be clinically insane to put up with this map

[@baconboi4482]

@@normalpersonlivingtheirlife some rando is gonna grind this map for like a decade and then post the first finished speedrun

[@jason-paulwells6696]

This map is where cheaters go to redeem themselves. Beat the whole thing in one run without hacks, and you're forgiven.

[@StormCrownSr]

I'll allow it.

[@kaldogorath]

Beat the whole thing without hacks in one run and you don't need to cheat.

[@fahkyew7776]

@Nick Miller Most, or all, cheaters don't need to cheat anyway. It's just a lot quicker and easier than grinding for hundreds of hours or longer.

[@kaldogorath]

@@fahkyew7776 Only 1 person can be #1

[@vomix9370]

@@kaldogorath well riolu was also a great player that did not need cheats he just used them to get better times FASTER

[@rumrumi7594]

Alright tas community, here’s your next project!

[@Bro_s22]

should be pretty easy with tool assist

[@FischlInsultsMePls]

@@Bro_s22 I can't imagine how many stupid stuffs tool assist will bring into this map, maybe a million uberbug in 1 single frame?

[@LouisPlaysDrums]

Already started!

[@sodiboo]

@@Bro_s22 the result will look easy, sure, but actually making a TAS run is not easy at all

[@garagara4849]

@@sodiboo Man the amount of effort that goes into a perfect TAS is so underapreciated, it's annoying to me. Like, sure you have savestates and all but you actually still have to DO the thing

[@natsukisubaru4185]

His entire chat was just normal and then he reaches the long bugslide and they just lose it

[@onlysmiles4949]

You know shit's real when not even chat is saying "ez doable"

[@zzzFaw]

🤯 bug slide ? 😳

[@anniekoenasdi2403]

@@zzzFaw do you know about bug slide or not? i can help :)

[@pb.....]

@@anniekoenasdi2403 that sounds so ominous

[@AtLeastVision]

I love how everyone toll 3:40 is like „doable“ and then that speed slite backwards jump what ever thing at 03:44 happens and everyone is like „wtf“

[@rab_2]

Genuinely surprised it took chat that long lmao, for me 2:30 - 2:46 is the moment i went from "okay this is doable with luck and persistence" to simply "who the fuck designed these maps"

[@dudumangs7140]

Legends tell of the one true pilot, the one who would unite the trackmania clans and finish The Final Enigma. The Turkish Tornado himself, Mufat.

[@KHRONOS2232]

Lol

[@Xelnaeox]

3:31 "this looks pretty doable so far" gotta love that timing lmao 🤣

[@FadhlyHamzah]

Yesterday, I tried trackmania for the first time. Before I play tm, I always thought everything seems doable. But after trying it for real once, the only thing remains in my head is "HOW?"

[@Folsomdsf2]

The game is 100% deterministic, so it's possible AND reproducable.

[@ossharkuenmeursault5609]

lots of training, good reflexes, control of your limbs... i played trackmania a bit recently (also pretty much beginner) and i really struggle with the gear changes, so i go extra slow on the slippy surfaces :/, but yeah, as mentioned, same inputs get you the same result, so theoretically possible, just very unlikely

[@prest01]

fr dude its so hard to play in comparison to how it looks

[@celdrichanfgarn5168]

I think wirtual has a video on things that are a bit obscure. I thinj its called pro tips or smthn

[@AYTWICE]

True mate

[@Destroy2777]

3:24 I was not ready to break down laughing at the sheer absurdity of an obstacle.

[@TheLiverX]

The funny part is that enigma code with some luck is also decipherable. But the amount of luck required is out of this world

[@Rainbowmon]

~7:56 Someone could say "I'll give $1,000,000,000 to anyone who beats this map", be 100% serious about said offer, and my response would *STILL* be "NO. NOPE. NUH-UH. JUST NO." I might be mad enough to go for Golden Strawberries in Celeste, but I'm not an utter fool.

[@RobinClower]

Me: surely this isn't that bad. Also me: can't get 3A golden

[@Rainbowmon]

@@RobinClower Yeah, I'm one of those really weird people who actually *LIKES* learning cycles in Celeste... My advice? If you want to get better at the game, and you're on the PC version, check out the modding scene. They do some awesome things, and the Spring 2020 Collab in particular will teach you tech whilst also giving you a collection of relatively short (in comparison to the vanilla game's chapters) maps from Beginner to Grandmaster difficulty to test your skills. I'm pretty sure a few of them in there were cycle-based as well, so playing through them might help you learn more about how to time and learn cycles. There's also a contest map pack - the Startup Contest - releasing soon that's supposed to be focused on Beginner-difficulty maps, so that may also be of interest to you if you do decide to check out Celeste mods.

[@RobinClower]

@@Rainbowmon at this point it's mostly a matter of grinding. I've beaten every level including Farewell and all C sides, have like 6 or 7 goldens 1aabc, 2ac, 4c? It's just when the levels start getting really long that staying perfect is tough. I'm on switch, but I've watched a bunch of modded runs. They're very cool!

[@Rainbowmon]

@@RobinClower Oh, yeah, definitely. I'm on Switch too (as much as I wish it could, my pathetic laptop can't handle Celeste mods), and have 24 Golden Strawberries (putting my berry count at 201/202)... And have been working on Farewell Golden on and off for about a year and a half now. To be fair though, Farewell is over 100 rooms long (I don't remember how many rooms are in the Reconciliation section or I'd give an exact number) - there's a reason there's only 210 people with verified runs with the Golden (and only 49 verified runs with both the Golden and the Moon Berry).

[@gl1tch3d_tm]

For those wondering, TAS is done, has been for about 3 weeks

[@LightslicerGP]

I've seen some weird stuff in teckmania but what in hell is 4:22 You dance to phase through a wall *makes total sense*

[@quakeev334]

the hitbox is hollow on the bottom but real on the top for the "phasing through a wall", and the "dancing" is just to keep height so you can get through

[@LightslicerGP]

@@quakeev334 ah I see

[@BobSkating]

@@LightslicerGP ah i see That this game makes no sense,lmao

[@LightslicerGP]

@@BobSkating many games have weird glitched that don't make sense

[@k1c1ak]

This map could be split into checkpoints and be another kakcy event as a whole

[@cIappo896]

I remember when I was talking to Simo when he was making this map. That water bounce thing... it was so annoying as, if I recall correctly, he bounced a few times, but fell off into the void cause he couldn't stick the landing.

[@wizardcoolio]

this has "imagine the nerves" energy to it

[@haph2087]

Wirtual:"Nobody will finish this" TASBot: "Is that a challenge?"

[@speedymatt1236]

1|\|3@

[@dampflok1607]

Love that map. Such a fitting name

[@Draghful]

The feeling when you're Austrian and you see "Oachkatzlschwoaf" highlighted in a KZbin video. :D

[@Volfyrion]

Seems easy enough. Couple of Red Bulls and you’re good to go

[@theapexsurvivor9538]

Just need a good gaming chair.

[@aknopf8173]

@@theapexsurvivor9538 If only I had a steering wheel, I would easily finish that map. :(

[@AYTWICE]

@@aknopf8173 hell naw keyboard is much better for trackmania aspecially when you have to do many turns

[@delusionss5]

wirtual: final enigma is impossible some random guy: *clears 3 cps of it*

[@speedymatt1236]

Apparently!

[@Randroth]

Looking forward to the Wirtual video in a few years where he will be examining the history of this map, and how people beat it. Cause you know it's gonna happen. TM players are insane.

[@chrispy780]

This map makes real men cry. Like im dead ass scared to go near that map

[@RubenDBLL]

dont see an issue, you just need to be absolutely perfect in every aspect of the game, ez.

[@grimmthrashr1035]

it is said that only the *Chosen One* has the required skills to beat this map, Sadly... The *Chosen One* has yet to be found

[@speedymatt1236]

It ain’t me. Who could it be?

[@wombat4191]

0:50 if the map is as hard to drive as it is to pronounce, completing it sounds impressive

[@pingouingamer4653]

XD

[@Dormazain]

Can't wait for the main channel video explaining the journey of some mad lads finishing it.

[@dwirandypradhika6752]

If there's one thing I learned from 8 years of playing rhythm games, is that if a map is"theoretically doable" someone will eventually pass it. I remember a time when people actually think that "The Big Black" map in osu was impossible, and now there are pages of 'S+' scores on the leaderboard. Now, it's a whole other story when a map is said to be "theoretically impossible".

[@demscrazy6574]

Think u forgot about centipede in osu

[@SirEdubardo]

YEA THE BIG BLACK IS A PAIN IN THE ASS

[@demscrazy6574]

@@SirEdubardo also freedom dive

[@btf_flotsam478]

I'm tempted to dispute this; there is probably a gap between "theoretically doable" and "someone will do it eventually", but it's impossible to prove someone _won't_ do something.

[@SirEdubardo]

@@btf_flotsam478 someone can totally do it with a 18 to 30 hours run,anyways no one gonna beat it,its a one in one sittuation

[@yourn4m3h3re]

8:31 That checkpoint is nothing short from Hilarious! xD

[@Nox_Desiree]

Few months later: This is how I finished final enigma...

[@pokzgg]

Month?

[@ropi7267]

I spit my coffee for the bug slide with the backwards flip and then for the whole upside down section...and then I had to refill to spit some more. This map is just so ridiculous and I love everything about it.

[@Iceman-hb3uk]

A TAS of this would just be amazing...

[@geoprancer]

If a human legitimately finished this map, they would be considered god in Trackmania

[@DeadJDona]

you can convert perfect TAS to guitar hero chords, and musicians would simply learn how to play this song.

[@andrewliu6592]

osu 5k players:

[@ericb3157]

i seem to remember a video where someone was trying to play a Super Mario game with a Guitar Hero controller...

[@douggale5962]

The determinism of Trackmania is priceless.

[@Retro-uw5ie]

Wouldn't it be interesting if its secretly a press forward map?

[@samvsmedia8680]

Well, there goes the next 20 years of my life, let the grind begin

[@speedymatt1236]

How was your first 2 years grinding it?

[@samvsmedia8680]

​@@speedymatt1236 i did not grind it. I did try it out, after a few hours I got a tiny bit of it, but the furthest I got I still failed the jump at 1:51. I do think someone will finish this map at some point, but it sure as hell ain't me.

[@m1k4los84]

Wait, you said that this map has precise kacky and precise driving things? Pffff lemme call hefest and we won...

[@jbanksey22]

I cannot wait for the Wirtual video 10 years from now. About a guy who watched this video. Then completed the map.

[@BobSkating]

Now we need a track called “Sigma”

[@koo9ol]

Then one troll will be like "LIgMa"

[@leshengesd9484]

"It always seems impossible until it's done." - Nelson Mandela

[@speedymatt1236]

He ain’t wrong! Knowing some of these are doable in theory.

[@blaiseaka7157]

I actually beat this map but my power went out right before the finish line :)

[@Horus2Osiris]

Me too, but then i got struck by lightning! Both were very painful, but my computer didn't survive... Except for the lightning scars, there's no proof, sadly...

[@MIRUSKOKRASNY]

me to but my computer was destroyed by tornado right before i could upload the record

[@admiraltonydawning3847]

r/ThatHappened

[@MIRUSKOKRASNY]

@@admiraltonydawning3847 thx

[@StormTheSquid]

@@admiraltonydawning3847 r/thatsthejoke

[@callmemc6]

I fucking lost it when I saw the pipe over that wall on the loop jump. That's so comically precise.

[@pelzige]

Can't you at 8:20 just flip on top of the stadium? Would be a sick cut.

[@posteque]

if you pause at 8:25 you can see there is a wall next to the loop to prevent you to do that

[@BestGuy2103]

My toxic trait is thinking I could do this

[@Technodog]

Can’t wait for tas people to beat this map in 0.04 seconds with a x15 frame perfect nose back wall checkpoint Uber skip bug

[@xandygameryt]

It looks like those press forward maps which if you press any key for a milisecond then you lose everything, but except you have to actually do it by yourself

[@julian246810]

what now seems impossible will probably eventually be done. And that is just mindboggling xd

[@MkLC04]

Probably I just hace one doubt, how crazy would be try to do this map, like, u luckily got a checkpoint after 8 hours, and then u let the pc run till u get back and try the next one, and the next one, is that impossible to do that?

[@justMoriarty]

@@MkLC04 thats what alot of people did for the harder trial maps especially for their first runs. I think you kinda underestimate how long it would actually take to get all CPS here thats not something your could get in a few days or weeks, because you have not insane trick per CPS per CP but multiple and you always have to reset at the start of each segment.

[@speedymatt1236]

Give it a few more years. Oh idk, a decade?

[@Tyler_Mayhem]

Eyyyy new video. Thanks boss

[@sseolabn]

If there is one person to finish this in the future, That person should be the real trackmania god

[@ItsLarry-in1jq]

5:30 As a, not really good, but alright guitar hero player, I can confirm. It's just about patters, so we don't have to focus on every single note, but more about just hitting the pattern as well as possible. But when you slow the section down, you begin to see how even though the pattern you do with your hands may be simple, you see how easy it is to do something slightly off and mess up

[@wenzelkaltenbacher8721]

Sorry if I missed something: You actually don't have to do that crazy jump in the end, without touching any of the scenery and getting the perfect water bounce to land on the pipe. You could also find another way of yeeting yourself on the stadium roof and then jump into the finish, or am I wrong? (which of course makes the map totally doable)

[@GDFear]

You can't skip checkpoints

[@GDFear]

@@kukuc96 oh i just misunderstood you. I would assume that there is a way to prevent this. The mapper is too experienced to leave such big oversights in the map

[@GDFear]

@@kukuc96 Oh thats cool. And theoretically this map intended is also humanly possible

[@Poverral]

where can i find this spreadsheet? 0:30

[@Rizzu_]

I bet Riolu could do it playing at 0.1x speed, let's see that new world record.

[@sturmifan]

this meme wasnt even funny the first time. please, for the love of god just stop

[@BobSkating]

Dude stop repeating the 3 month old joke

[@jojo.arlequin]

This does not look harder than Deep Dip 2 Wirtual, and you have checkpoints. You got this my man!

[@phplayer7039]

And then Hefest got this run:

[@akaraven66]

This is what Purgatory would be like, and probably look like, an infinite loop or madness until you finally find the light and get out.

[@GottHoldNicetomeet]

I am sure Mufat easily finished this map already.

[@Lucas_Birdhouse]

Already a good day bc wirtual uploaded

[@rockerxXc]

Seams doable.

[@whiteoutbored]

You- Have you played this before? Friend- Nope, let's try it Also your friend:

[@Tyler_Mayhem]

This map is just.. You can do it in like 5 minutes probably

[@Henry00]

I look forward to the "How I beat Final Enigma blindfolded" documentary.

[@bitterbatterdog]

Me as someone who's played 2 hours with the majority of times watching Kackies and TAS: Seems doable

[@tomleggott723]

final enigma? this looks like what would've happened if the milton keynes town council had unlimited funds

[@hipination1037]

and then riolu got this legit run:

[@ZeroDividesByYOU]

Oooh too soon

[@MrSe64]

@@ZeroDividesByYOU wdym too soon? Riolu jokes are not funny anymore

[@crittergonya]

@@ZeroDividesByYOU ''its never too soon to talk shit'' - Json Sue, The Art of Dietz's Nuts

[@nameinvalid69]

absolute... insanity is not even enough to describe this.

[@Hephaestus_God]

Doesn't seem too bad as long as you don't have other things you want to do. Someone can just keep playing as much as they want and just restarting from checkpoints instead of doing everything from the beginning. The problem is you need so many hours of free time people probably just said "Nah"... Could be a subathon thing though

[@splutteryjoker5689]

Dude all I see is a twich chat saying “now do it backwards” lmao

[@TrogonBike]

Yesterday you told me to think outside the box. Today you told me its impossible.

[@Nyx__]

I love watching stuff like this just imagining the absurdity of a human doing it. Quite literally inhuman jumps and tricks. The Bugslide cancel triple frontflip airbreak to land on the pipe gets me every time. Funniest shit in the world.

[@jasonmanges4203]

Sounds like a nice cup of the day.

[@galaxystudios370]

This is the Silent Clubstep of Trackmania.

[@deelie]

Cant wait to see Wirtual do a video about a guy who finished it

[@timbeckley9972]

Just watching made my anxiety go mental lol.... Would be crazy if someone could pull that off, I don't play myself, but I can appreciate how how n time consuming these tracks are, take care bro....

[@itzdevilish8203]

"it seemed that the track would never be finished...but then hefest got this run"

[@EdmansTube2008]

This isn't a track, this is a torture device.

[@derrave4944]

If i'll ever find a person that speaks english well (cause i live in germany) and dont know wirtual, then i can say that person: you should watch wirtual videos cause he has such a smooth voice and every video tells his own story. Sometimes i get to sleep with wirtuals videos sometimes i wake up with them. So you really have to get that shit in your brain

[@leodrews3128]

can't wait for world record progression video.

[@ubodesu]

Now imagine the video: "Trackmania final enigma 1st world record in history" or something like that, with wirtual storytelling, damn, only think about man...

[@Pengochan]

Some jumps look like they got the inputs until some crazy jump, then added a pipe where the car ends up.

[@SLCclimber]

But think of the content, Wirtual. It might be 6 months of your life, but the CONTENT.

[@wenisinvietnam]

Some random speedrunner: “And I took that personally”

[@Ryanisthere]

knowing the trackmania community eventually this map will get a speedrunning community around it

[@Vojtakrasa]

When the map that feels like the Dark Souls final boss looks exactly like a Dark Souls final boss

[@kangalio]

Title: the trackmania map nobody will ever finish Video at 6 seconds in: GG this is the ending

[@velen3251]

what is the name of the music at 9:46?