Final Fantasy 16 Abandons Old Fans.. | Asmongold Reacts

[@jessecox]

Genuinely humbled my dude. Thank you.

[@GrayNotGrey_]

Went to go watch your video before finishing this one just to show my respects, I've been hearing a lot of voices from the community essentially trying to gatekeep and saying that 16 isn't a "real" final fantasy, so seeing you put out a video like this and putting in as much effort as you did made me very happy! Hope you enjoy the next 14 expac!

[@greggreyes6869]

thanks for articulately voicing out (and in a spectacular way too) what i wanted to say to some of those who are in luddite level

[@Yvanne]

thank you Jesse for this :D

[@christopher8033]

Been a long time viewer since OMFGcata days. Awesome video, and I hope you hit 1 million subs!

[@Dracobyte]

Awesome video as always Jesse!

[@Tchud]

To be honest, 16 is what everyone expected 15 to be, then the idea got scrapped. So they were angry at the release they saw in 15. 16 is the dark medieval fantasy I have always been looking for. Kudos to them.

[@jonbayuga3238]

Same

[@slothbeezy6432]

Eh. Contrary to popular belief, I enjoyed 15. I know a lot of people complained about the story being 15 to 17 hours long, but for me, that game didn't actually start until you beat the story. The story was basically a tutorial. Lol. 😅

[@Tchud]

@@slothbeezy6432 I played 15, but as much as I tried, could not get into it. But with 16, I'm completely invested, and I don't even enjoy action based games that much. Tells you a lot about the presentation of the game.

[@GlacierRain]

you have voiced my opinion about those two games. thanks

[@matthewchristie2186]

15 should kept there original idea about the crystal exodus or whatever woulda been a far better story then whatever the fuck happened I might play it again after I'm done with 16 the combat on 16 is just mindless killing I don't even need to think it's button mash till I get abilities lol

[@Ranger49]

I remember some people were really hating on FF8 bc 7 was so good and 8 was different. I started with the original back in the day, and although I am very casual...I always thought each game is a new story/experience with some familiar aspects.

[@ghostering8]

Oh yeah FF8 full of handsome like boy band even villain 😂 people kidda piss the edgy game story focus on Romance (?) Final fantasy

[@Dub0r]

I got 8 on day one, and bought Brave Fencer Musashi just so I could play the demo disk that came out way before the game. I loved 8, except the fact they changed the materia system.

[@AlanRedrew]

different and totally different is different, pun intended.

[@bellgloom]

8's leveling scaling system is a fucking trainwreck

[@Neko_Medic]

Squall has the personality fans give to cloud.

[@SSJ2Phenom]

I started with 4. I'm 35 and FFXVI is absolutely amazing to me in every way. The story, gameplay, graphics, score, voice acting, setting. FFXVI is absolutely fantastic.

[@rRekko]

I started with 2, 33 now and same tbh. The only weak ones to me have been 13 and 15 (can't speak of 11 because there were almost no original ps2 games in argentina, game stores only sold pirated copies, original games were unicorns) , with 14 being my all time favorite FF game. 16 is so far an absolute banger tho, i don't get this "leaving old fans behind" argument, when 1 and 2 had different base mechanics, then every game has it's own gimmick or unique twist of the basic idea for the plot. Tactics was also amazing despite being so different too.

[@lastest_debteenator]

Not Score and Voice Acting though. Both are terribly done. There are few OST likely taken straight from FF15, like the ambient/silent theme for instance, and many from others FF, like the dragoon appearance, crystal theme, etc. The rest is too much like a lullaby. English Voice acting, oh boy, it's like the VA lacks of breath or lung capacity to speak the clear full sentence. They speak at low pace too, and the slow/linear/boring hold/idle animations don't help much either; only make me feel sleepy whenever the conversations starts. It's like they're cutting too many corners to get the game out. Even the Japanese VA aren't anything better, either. They are so similar to FF12, nothing to stand out in terms of music and voice acting. The rest, gameplay/ visual/ settings, are fantastic, though I'm not quite sure yet since I'm only at the 4th power. And I started with 8 -> 10 then go backward from 7 to classic, then back to the 12 forward, currently at mid-20 somewhat of human years!!!

[@timekeeper2538]

​@@lastest_debteenatorThis is all incorrect, thought you should know.

[@SSJ2Phenom]

@@timekeeper2538 Yea, no. The score and VA for this game is amazingly well done.

[@austinperkins9973]

​@@lastest_debteenatorget out here bot ass. Its a great game

[@mattdzeph7985]

My idea of FF is a teenager or young adult getting roped into a conflict because they saved a prince/princess. Your first quest is collecting herbs for a down on his luck merchant and the last quest is killing God

[@GodDiggetyDoodle]

Basically FF5, you're just a guy minding your own business and you're just roped into this bigger conflict because you just happen to be there at the right place at the right time

[@nuryyss]

@@GodDiggetyDoodle Basically XII too! Poor Vaan just had the worst luck

[@Superintendent_ChaImers]

@@nuryyss I mean... did he really? He got the adventure and stuff that he so craved.

[@Ammy-q4w]

Clive was a knight who failed to save the prince, so FF16 sort of spins the trope on its head.

[@budakbaongsiah]

That's just JRPG.

[@the7blargs]

Final fantasy hasn't been the same for a very long time. They all share some aspects and similarities like themes and enemies but otherwise each new mainline game is always changing the formula. What FF ultimately does is tell stories. They may play different but they all want to tell stories.

[@warthefirsthorseman2482]

Since 2001 😂

[@gunzkiller101]

Guarantee most old fans didn’t even play early FF and only play 7.

[@Portuducks]

@@gunzkiller101 Been playing since the original in 1990, back when you couldn't spam the attack command since you could be attacking a dead enemy. I'll say that this one is closer to Crisis Core than to a mainline non-mmo Final Fantasy. Personally speaking, since the PlayStation era my favorite FF is IX.

[@ripbozo6780]

@@gunzkiller101 110 % having played FF1-6 this game reminds me most of those obviously.

[@232Invoker]

@@gunzkiller101 I played FF6 as my first, and I HOPE THEY give FF6 the FF7 remake treatment. But I think they should keep the turn based instead of the ATB system.

[@FurieMan]

The further i get in to the game the more final fantasy the story feels like. I would go as far as saying ff16 is more final fantasy than ff15 was.

[@jinnalexis]

NOO.

[@theremix54]

Not saying much.... FF15 was an absolute piece of shit.

[@werewolf873]

That's a pretty low bar, all things considered.

[@TheGeekstream]

and less than the 13 others

[@shinmegamisensei1855]

@@theremix54I need whatever you're smoking

[@gunzkiller101]

This will always be the one of gaming hottest debate. Whether a game should change in order to draw new crowd or revive itself for the market.

[@HallyVee]

And its sub debate, whether it's okay to abandon a small niche of fans for the moneyed masses.

[@ZenoSol_]

@@HallyVee niches dont maintain games, really simple as.

[@PrimetimeX]

@@HallyVeeWhats wrong with the masses? Why do you characterize them as "monied"? Obviously anti-new player bias

[@ZZWWYZ]

@@HallyVee maybe the niche of fans should pay more

[@bjni]

@@HallyVee nah thats not a debate, niche of fans should be abandoned every single time for the moneyed masses in capitalism.

[@kingjamestres]

Nobodies talking about how the voice acting in 16 is some of if not the best FF has ever had it's very underrated.

[@abdullahnaeem7275]

For real ff7 remake eng dub voice is just okay but 16 was incredible.

[@Pyovali]

Nah, I just don't play with English dub.

[@WritingGeekNL]

English Dub? Yeah. I don't know about the Japanese dub, but FF7R had an amazing Japanese dub.

[@wekings9073]

It's horrible. Exaggerated American Netflix English.

[@TheDoats]

Dude the voice acting is probably the best I've ever experienced in a video game. Idk what game some of these people played but it's not the same one I've been playing I just got it yesterday and I'm about 35% through it and so far it's been an absolute masterpiece of a game.

[@alabaster_squier]

Innovation doesn't exactly mean you have to switch genres and copy other games. It's the opposite. Its the illusion of innovation. Innovation for FF would simply be improving the systems fans already love. The sales will stagnate and Square will most likely be calling this one a failure.

[@cantonphantom]

Creative Business Unit III isn’t named by choice by Yoshi-P or the development team. It’s simply the business structuring within SE. They were all previously called Business Division __ (whatever number they were). When they restructured, they renamed them Creative Business Unit __ (whatever number). Which, to be fair, sounds way cooler in Japanese.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

I want to give more contexto to this, so to briefly summarize what other franchises are normally developed in the other Square Enix divisions in Japan (this are not fixed divisions and does not include other external studios hired by SE): - Creative Business Unit 1: Mostly single player FF games (with the exepction of 16) and their spinoffs, SaGa and Kingdom Hearts. . - Creative Business Unit 2: The Dragon Quest, NieR, Team Asano (Octopath Traveler, Live A Live remake, Triangle Strategy), Bravely Default, and the developers that conformed Luminous Prodctions (Forspoken) after its disolution. - Creative Business Unit 3: FF 16, FF 14, FF 11and Dragon Quest Builders spin-off series. As you can see there are a lot of multiplayer and / or MMORPG titles in this except one. - Creative Business Unit 4: Mana (Secret of Mana, Legend of Mana, World of Mana, etc) series, as well as the division in charge of ports and remasters.

[@Some__Guy]

Oh shit, no wonder I like DQB2 so much, didn't know that was the same team. Now I'm not as upset that there isn't a builders 3, they're busy making awesome FF content.

[@id1550]

@@Some__GuyAgreed have been hoping for a third one but now that I know they’ve been working on games like ff16 I feel better

[@jujukamiyu]

CBU3 is a brand by itself because of YoshiP and FF14 - its logo is a phoenix. Other CBUs were never mentioned in a game trailer or any promo material.

[@nothingisawesome]

uh ya, we know this. its still funny

[@peterpan4038]

As a fan of old school FF: FF16 feels and looks more like old FF than FF15.

[@FurieMan]

This.

[@sensaidoom]

Best FF since FFX for me.

[@colpelvole3275]

Ff 15 was so bad

[@nwm4660]

agree

[@SlainByTheWire]

Yeh I'm old school and even though 16 isn't my thing, it's a move in the right direction. 15 just looked shit. Driving around in a car with a boyband.. jesus fucking christ.

[@Ivana_Jirkmenov]

I just don’t understand how Skillup thinks FF7R is better, it’s got the same negatives but worse gameplay/story as I’m a fan of original FF7.

[@roosterfu231]

FF16 is complete garbage. FF7 Remake is better in every way.

[@mossen98]

Still annoys me too this day that people dont give credit too Phantasy Star Online being the first console mmo what sega did was nothing short of a miracle for back then.

[@smkks]

I've played almost every Final Fantasy game and bought FF16 on day one with no regrets. 🤷‍♂

[@Nead_Dill_Dickersons_jr]

GOTY for real makes me wonder why other game developers can’t do what this team could

[@Echozies]

@@Nead_Dill_Dickersons_jr Agreed, honestly its best I seen since GOW 2018

[@SSJ2Phenom]

​@@Echozies100% I was just telling a friend that this is the most interesting and captivating story I've played through since GoW 2018 (Ragnarok was amazing but the story wasn't as good) and the first game since that one that I have trouble putting down.

[@LordFinkenstein]

​@@Echozieseaisly better GOW 2018.

[@rankyb8088]

I had a vested intrest in seeing Bahmut, and boy, was i not let down. Been playing since ff 7 Playstation 1...

[@christiansolid1098]

Im an old Final fantasy fan and i LOVE what they did with 16 ...im enjoying the game a lot 😂

[@shad3slay]

Bro and we have Final Fantasy rebirth just around the corner.

[@corwinchapman8270]

100% agree. 16 is the most Final Fantasy the series has felt to me since probably 9. 12 was great but the Ivalice games really feel like their own thing

[@MuDkipzCHancelLOr]

One of the best yet just too short

[@Kamedouken]

Same the game is amazing and I’m a ff veteran I’ve played them all

[@rsawyer757]

Hell yeah. I've been a huge fan since 4/2 on SNES but I also played FF1 on the NES in its time. So I'm about as long-time fan as you can get and I'm loving FFXVI. FF has always introduced pretty big changes with each entry and I like what they've done with this one.

[@Branfaol1]

I really wonder about fandom in general anymore the Final fantasy series has always been changing it's no longer 32 bit. Your player characters have backstory's and personalities. No longer turn based. Everyone especially from 7 onwards has changed. Dirge of Cerberus a very underrated installment broke the mold too. If I had one complaint about 16 , actually 2. 1 is mobs can feel over Tanky at times especially in action mode, two I would have liked more side quests

[@bjt0056]

Not going to lie. It's been annoying me when people say FF16 "isn't Final Fantasy".

[@Jaskaran158]

5:39 seeing the panel of TB, Dodger, and Jesse Cox reall hit the ol nostigia nerve. Man those 3 were such a good trio especially with the CO-Optional Podcast and Polaris. What a blast from the past. RIP TotalBiscuit fuck cancer

[@devinmurphy4665]

Yeah man. Felt that too. RIP TotalBiscuit.

[@alexcortes2247]

Rip T.B may he rest in peace..

[@WebHead18]

16 was the first FF game I felt love for in almost a decade, lol.

[@rankyb8088]

Final fantasy 10 was pretty goated for its time. That was years ago

[@johnjackson2349]

I really loved the gambit system in ff12, although I realise that was some years ago now end of the l Ps2 era 🤣

[@rankyb8088]

@@johnjackson2349 ps2 still best console of alltime..

[@TheOneGreat]

It's a good game but also very shallow. Sorry, but you need more than pretty particles to distract me from the fact that it's no longer an RPG anymore. 😂

[@brotbrotsen1100]

Not a unique opinion tbh, i see people saying that or something similar everytime a new FF releases.

[@Dezzy2178]

This isn’t growth it’s regression. This isn’t even an rpg. Square makes the best role playing games in the industry and they choose to develop and release a watered down version of Devil May Cry with the depth of a tablespoon. Really hope this isn’t the future of FF

[@jacobcook7]

FF 7 and 10 are still the best.

[@kyrolazioko4783]

16 and 20 is a huge difference. When you're 16, you're in the middle of puberty and hormonal changes still. You don't know jack about anything, especially yourself. At least when you're 20, puberty is done and you're pretty much who you're going to be the rest of your life. Not always, but yeah - brain chemistry is way different. It's easier to manipulate and groom a 16 year old by taking advantage of their internal confusion of who they are versus a 20 year old.

[@PrismaticWolf]

I really find these people rolling their eyes at the "not my Final Fantasy" crew are kinda missing a bigger point. Yes, every FF has been different. But they've all been RPGs. Some maybe moreso than others but I'd feel good calling most of them RPGs. FF16 is really more of a character action game with big cutscenes. It's another genre entirely. And the games don't need to go back to turn based combat or anything. Remake had a sort of hybrid system that is very well liked.

[@nv1573]

This game does not innovate at all. We have tons of games with better action combat. Better rpg elements. This game innovates on graphics and the story is extremely solid. That´s about it. I felt like someone was holding my hand in every boss battle, well the whole game actually. No puzzles, no secrets, no party, no real magic. You never have to think, just follow the markers.

[@alexsalari2014]

A huge reason people have always loved the FF series is because of the story, music, amazing cutscenes and the party. Meeting and adding party members, how you get along with them and their storylines. That’s why people love them. Change the combat and anything else you want, I feel like that is what the core fan base has always appreciated and loved more then anything else. So I do think they missed a lot of the reason most old school players don’t like it. With games like Elden Ring, it’s proof you can stick to your roots, and still evolve and appeal to a larger audience. I knew ALOT of people who did not like Souls games including myself. But Elden Ring bridged that gap and it obviously worked. Totally different games just giving an example.

[@genesisspace5331]

But isn’t that like every other jrpg

[@alexsalari2014]

Yeah but for me all of it has always been better in FF in my opinion 🤷‍♂️ to each there own. Just what I think. Not saying it be never played any other good JRPG

[@Buhllake]

Yeah that was the main reason and is the main reason I don’t like it as much or it doesn’t feel like ff to me. It’s always been about the characters interactions and growth throughout the story and 16 doesn’t do that for me. I’ve slowly let the expectation I had for that with playing ff go though and am enjoying 16 for what it is, just as it’s own game but I still am craving that ff party interaction. Hopefully another game can do it soon, maybe metaphor.

[@thenameless422]

This. Jessecox's video explains why 16 is a Final Fantasy title and I agree because they can make whatever game they want and call it a FF title since it's very loose like that but I feel like 16 is a bad FF title because of this missing element. XV was considered an objectively bad game but was saved by the boy band. We all know what Gladio, Prompto, and especially Ignis went through for Noctis while the prince is having his own set of tragedies himself. This doesn't take into account that even side characters such as Aranaea and Ravus were doing some work behind the scenes. I'd always play FF because of the journey- be it isometric turn-based XCOM style, classic FF ATB style or the more recent flashier active combat style but from what I saw and know so far, XVI isn't doing it for me.

[@aelix56]

I liked turn based and the twists they made on it as soon as it went action based I just stopped caring, haven't looked back since.

[@ItalianMetalHED]

FF11 first game to require an internal hard drive to which i modded to save my game isos to lol

[@mrthingie22]

the only thing that bugs me is that they let some game of thrones fan boys ruin the lagacy of final fantasy.

[@ninakore]

Skill Up isnt immune from biased takes. He admitted his review of Jedi Survivor was positive mostly because he loves Star Wars more than the game itself. He also avoided a Harry Potter review because 'busy' but its clear he just didnt want to draw the ire of social media and tarnish his rep. FF16 had similar drama about racism so a negative review would get him some social brownie points.

[@ziggyvoss]

I've sat a few times and just marveled at the game on how they reintroduce characters we know and love (the eikons/primals/summons) and leave you feeling like you're witnessing them for the first time again. Garuda's face was absolutely stunning, that grin with fangs and wicknedness with her was captured so well. I applaud Square honestly, and appreciate seeing their games grow with their audience.

[@viator1987]

Yuck bro. Her acting and crap was terrible. Glad she wasn't a long time baddie. Your L take is what happens when people don't expect good story telling and dialog.

[@agafaba]

@@viator1987 Garuda isnt the same thing as the dominant, Garuda only had a couple lines of dialog and really only existed for one chapter of the game.

[@morteskellington9047]

@@viator1987 Lol, lookit this schmuck, literally can't tell the difference between a five foot blonde human character design and a hundred foot, green palette harpy goddess. Imagine being completely blind. XD

[@shadedergu9921]

I love how Final Fantasy X was not only a huge jump in graphics, but also had such a good artstyle and direction that it looks good to this day

[@DarrenSegarra-s1t]

Only problem I have with FF16 is the limitations in gameplay and exploration.

[@ionfollowhoes5860]

Only mainline ff I ever finished was 15 and I played all of them so I’m glad with the change

[@chimerakait]

All I know is that each final fantasy is its own thing, own ganre, and generates its own fanbase. What keeps them connected are themes, concepts, a phenomenal story, and usually an expected degree of polish and spectical. People tend to forget that FF has ALWAYS been experimental with story and gamelay. You don't have to love every single entry or sequal, but their will probably be one ya like out there.

[@joshd2477]

This sounds rather untrue. For the mainline numbered final fantasy series while they all have differing stories they all follow the exact same jrpg 'genre' and formulation. And although people may have been introduced to the series at different points in the time line, the fan base has never been fractured into strictly fans of a single game only. Historically If your a real fan of one game you typically go out of your way to play them all and are a fan of the series, less so the individual games. I've never met a FF fan who has only played just one FF from the mainline.. Honestly, the biggest and most neccessry improvement they could make to appease mainline fans of the series is allow full control of who is in the party and who you choose to use in combat.. This would instantly take it from a god of war spinoff series to a mainline worthy FF

[@BYUBOY33]

It's literally their final fantasy every game. It's great.

[@philosopht]

​@@joshd2477respectfully disagree...each FF entry redefined what jrpg (Japanese role playing game) meant and the genre became a pretty broad umbrella as a result. i will also respectfully disagree that you limited what developers can or cannot do to "improve" the game. i started with FFVIII and i am a proud FFVIII fan. as a result, i play other FF entries since VII with the exception of XI and XIV because i do not play MMORPG. so people do become fans of specific entries, it's not a blanket brand except the developer's ability to surprise and delight gamers. true FF fans are open-minded as to what developers are willing to serve.

[@joshd2477]

@philospht I mean you quite literally just proved my point... You became a fan of 8 and this caused you to end up becoming a fan of FF as a whole not just 8 right?? There is no one in this world who played ff8, loved it, and said screw the others I'm happy stopping there??? The whole franchise makes you a fan wether you have an individual favourite or not (and everybody does of course) , FF is bigger than just a single game or a single story. Plus If you know any TRUE final fantasy fans you know they are FAR from open minded when it comes to there mainline games... They know exactly what defines final fantasy as a franchise and accept nothing short of this. That's not to say we don't welcome innovation, we very much do, and FF used to be the best in the biz at this, but 16 is not innovation.... Simply copying western rpg, and slapping a FF story to it, is not redifining jrpg it's just selling out to entice a new audience

[@philosopht]

@@joshd2477 i became a fan of being delighted by how each FF is different from what i was used to. VIII is still my go to when i need comfort gaming. and i don't have any expectation of what FF should be. i like FF Tactics, Type-0, and the World of Final Fantasy. i also played Mobius and Brave Exvius on the phone. none of them can fit in just one box. i had to learn new things every time and that's what i learned to like. if you want to put FF in a box, then you do not like FF as a whole then.

[@shinkenrock]

I do wish there would be controllable party members and more customization elements for equipment and stuff but the game is fun

[@edwinseda897]

Me too. I wish I could play as Jill or Cid in combat. Or even Torgal.

[@mangomariel]

Yeah I think the game should have Cid, Clive, and Jill. 3 characters. Like Devil may cry has. FF7 remake also let's you have party, and is very action focused.

[@redhood420]

​@@mangomarielMaybe an expansion between the thirteen years

[@Cerenduil]

Agree

[@flailingdragoon1072]

Agree with the party members, not so much with the items, rpg elements in character action games suck

[@laylaalder2251]

I am so sick of this disingenuous argument that Jesse is making. He is deliberately ignoring what people are talking about.

[@alexclaton]

exactly. i pointed that out in his comment section and noone had a response.

[@DarkMatterZero]

My problem is it's not an rpg anymore. It's an action game where you can level up like God of war, dmc, Bayonetta, etc. But at least those other action games have more variety in builds and your choice of weapons then ff16 does. It's not an rpg and it's a shallow action game.

[@thesoffen48]

I still hate the Aerith death in 7. It makes no sense in a game with phoenix downs.

[@bigbosss7911]

Party members don’t die in combat, they become unconscious/physically unable to continue. Phoenix down doesn’t revive the dead in that sense.

[@thesoffen48]

@@bigbosss7911 You're right, I forgot about that. In my defense, the game launched in 1997 when I was 18 lol. I still hate that part of the story. =)

[@budakbaongsiah]

Never played 5, I see.

[@lazygamer4746]

This game quite a bit like FF4 in story and tone. The only thing different is the combat, which feels like a Tales of game.

[@martir851]

But there aren't several party members interacting,in FF XVI

[@user-sn1hi7my7x]

Final Fantasy over the years has changed a lot. Their unique stories are what makes the series so great. This series is one of my favorite RPG's off all time.

[@Sasori.OfTheRedSand]

Let them make a movie then 😂 not an easy game like that !

[@brantmcmillan1716]

@@Sasori.OfTheRedSand Dont search Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within

[@imo098765]

and that last sentence is what FF is no longer. Its not an RPG anymore The magic types makes is no longer relevant, party members some of whom you cared more about than the actually main character are no longer relevant Its like they made a 3D pokemon action game and types are no longer in the game. Its kinda dumb to do something like that

[@brantmcmillan1716]

I'm happy we don't have to keep 3 to 4 discs pristine. Or you can't continue on to disc 4 to finally finish final fantasy 8 after playing forever. You'll see error disk 4 cannot be read and now you feel empty and incomplete. it happened over 20 years ago and I'm still salty!

[@iconoclast485]

ff16 is going up there into my favorite final fantasy games with 7 and 10. Can't wait to get the PC release.

[@thesoffen48]

Final Fantasy will be fine, remember when they changed from turned based to action combat, same thing. =)

[@budakbaongsiah]

When did that happen? Oh, yeah. In XVI.

[@Brettman04]

First console MMO I think of is Phantasy Star Online for dreamcast. Released back in 2000.

[@budakbaongsiah]

Yeah. XI was the first crossplay MMO.

[@gutstek]

They found a way to make a focused single player game with big cast of characters relevant in an age of games where everything is an online social gathering place. As an old FF fan I love this new FF

[@RYUSHIR0]

Throughout my gameplay on FF16 i've found references on GOT, DBZ, Gundam and many other pop culture references, i love that they created a DMC like fighting style for FF16 and i hope that the next FFMMO after 14 gets this playstyle too.

[@exiaax]

Besides Gundam Strike Freedom popping up 70% into the game, what other Gundam refs did you see?

[@Green1antern27]

I honestly hope not. There is a reason those types of mmos are not top teir. The most successful mmos right now are ffxiv and WoW which are tab targeting with CD's. Yoshi-p has already said they are planning major updates for ffxiv for another 10 years so I wouldn't count on it anytime soon also 7.0 is going to be a graphics update for ffxiv.

[@budakbaongsiah]

Ugh. You must be a Gintama fan too if references makes you happy.

[@doubledewdagod]

I need examples please

[@Sorakovu]

Old ff fan here and not feeling abandoned lol Also skill up did that review out of spite after Yoshi P called him out for mentioning "JRPG"

[@simo4068]

Fanboy talking. like i need turn base Game dont give a stress Gameplay with action buttonmashing. FF ist trying to be GOD of WAR

[@PackZTerrible]

I don't think that's really leaving old fans behind especially with FF, the last games were all so different in how to play it. With 10 the last real turn based combat to 12 with more MMO approach and setups for attacks. If we go with that statement we should say with every title they leave their old fans behind. And yeah FF X graphics blew me out of the water. But I don't think this is correct.

[@naxxaura9032]

FF7 was my first FF...in 2017. Im only 23 but went out of my way to play every 3D FF (except 11) and there are things I dislike about some but love in others. I don't like FF12 but know that there are people that love the games systems. FF16 is looking to be the one I replay the most above FFX simply because I enjoy the combat of the game more which is ultimately what I would come back for.

[@LantanaLiz]

Final Fantasy as a series is a JRPG - i.e. RPG with turn based mechanics (or even hybrids like 12 and 7R and yes, that means 15 wasn't a great Final Fantasy either). 16 is an action game outright, it's not even a RPG because the "levels" in that game mean nothing. So no, it's not a "Final Fantasy" game, it's a DMC clone with less depth than actual DMC. If people want what 16 is pretending to be, then Kingdom Hearts 3 is the more in depth game with actual RPG mechanics attached to its Action gameplay. As someone who likes JRPGs because of the genre itself, why would I want to play 16 when there's individually better RPGs and better Action games on the market?

[@Cloud-dk4vz]

As a Turn based combat lover, i got left since FF X-2. Still playing all offline ones.

[@YawaruSan]

As a fan of the Final Fantasy series since the SNES, FF16 trying to be something new and different is exactly why I’ve liked the series over the decades. The mainline Final Fantasy games push boundaries, and even as a long-time fan, there are some FF games I don’t jive with. 13 is a great example, never played it, had it the whole time and never wanted to play it. I also bounced off 12 initially but the remaster fixed a bunch of the problems I had with the original I bought a special edition steel book copy of at launch. Also been a fan of Jesse since Co-Optional Podcast, glad to see him finally get that bump to 1 million subs. Thanks for introducing him to your audience with a great video!

[@andretheseal9837]

"There is just FF, good, bad and everything in between." Exactly right. For me FFXVI is everything in between. Not great, not terrible. The only thing truly awful about it, is the cultish fanbase forming around it that can't accept that it's not everything to everyone. Ive been accused multiple times of having not even played it, just because I have a fair number of criticisms and would prob give it a 7/10 personally.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

I also want to give more contexto to the whole "Creative Business Unit" name, so to briefly summarize what other franchises are normally developed in the other Square Enix divisions in Japan (this are not fixed divisions and does not include other external studios hired by SE): - Creative Business Unit 1: Mostly single player FF games (with the exepction of 16) and their spinoffs, SaGa and Kingdom Hearts. . - Creative Business Unit 2: The Dragon Quest, NieR, Team Asano (Octopath Traveler, Live A Live remake, Triangle Strategy), Bravely Default, and the developers that conformed Luminous Prodctions (Forspoken) after its disolution. - Creative Business Unit 3: FF 16, FF 14, FF 11and Dragon Quest Builders spin-off series. As you can see there are a lot of multiplayer and / or MMORPG titles in this except one. - Creative Business Unit 4: Mana (Secret of Mana, Legend of Mana, World of Mana, etc) series, as well as the division in charge of ports and remasters.

[@Dracobyte]

So true!

[@Dracobyte]

​@@Bahamut998i do not thing is better, just different.

[@french8249]

Seeing that “you have reached a pivotal part of the story if you continue there is no going back” gave me major old school Final Fantasy vibes

[@Eidlones]

I mean... that's in like every RPG these days, man.

[@brantmcmillan1716]

@@Eidlones Not final fantasy, Theres nothin left to call them a rpg

[@stephen8342]

When the fuck did you ever get a warning in old final fantasy?

[@bigcsbigbrother3685]

​@@stephen8342oh, many times. I started with ff8 and can remember vividly you for sure get messages at times of which going back isn't an option in that game

[@bigcsbigbrother3685]

​@@brantmcmillan1716yep, unfortunately I have to agree more and more with each installment they put out

[@MikeO-H]

one thing they keep getting right, if not better as they age is the epic battle sequences

[@renzokukengame1684]

Cant say about zelda broo Zelda have idk few games and final fantasy idk 20. Its not the same

[@JMO04091]

They turned FF from an RPG into an action game Worse the world isn’t even a “fantasy”. Everyone hates you and you just take it while trying to save them Everything “innovative” in this game feels like a progression in Devil May Cry not FF Skillful couldn’t be more right, I’m for once happy I don’t own a PS5 cause I would have probably bought this and been like “whatdidyoudo?!?!” But I mean hey, you more into Action Games, don’t care about narrative or how a good narrative is told, like to just battle monsters and watch a ton of cut scenes tell you what’s going on like that’s how a story should be told Have at is hoss

[@bigbosss7911]

Everyone doesn’t hate you, some people hate you and some people love you. You don’t have a ps5 so your opinion is moot.

[@scarlethare23]

As a long time fan of the Final Fantasy series, I absolutely love FF16 and I hope the series continues to thrive and take risks.

[@xionsflame1]

I've played them all except 13-3 whatever that was. I am enjoying FF16 quite a bit too. I mean to me the theme's of crystals, summons, politics between kingdoms, and a few other things are what kind of loosely brings FF games together other than that they are all their own things with different strengths and weaknesses.

[@Tfraizlol]

Man.... I hope they never make anything like that ever again, ever.

[@usscolumbia6149]

I think the 2 worst parts of FF16 were the rather minimal rpg elements, and the lack of a defined party. The party is the main issue for me, I love managing my party and building them to make a cohesive team that works well together.

[@Tiasung]

Yes. Without those 2 elements its just not a FF game. Even the spin-offs/sequels like X-2 and 13-2 were a lot more FF game despite both going out of their way to do things very differently.

[@TheMalthas]

Honestly FF16 feels kind of like Devil may Cry to me.

[@Blood_Ronin]

long time FF fan, Fire emblem, and DMC. FF 16 has been my favorite FF ever. The universe still feels like FF. The world building, story and more.

[@matthewchristie2186]

BOW isnt that good but tears of the Kingdom is fucking GOTY easy and im not even a nintendo nerd i was hoping FF but its just Devil May Clive this year

[@budakbaongsiah]

Devil May Clive. I'm stealing that.

[@aureliomercado9730]

Haven't gotten 16 yet and but I am slightly disappointed that their isn't a party system. Overall it looks like a good game so I can't wait to get my hands it. Been fan of the series since I played the 1st one on GBA.

[@plaxy100]

what makes Final Fantasy I would say are the Gods/SUmmons and Magic Spells. throught the game these have been consistant along with certian Names Cid Brick and others.The Tropes change the Setting change. even the mechanics of the very game but you know a final fantasy game when you see Cura spell cast or a Summon of Bahamut hit the field.

[@rainbowwatermellon]

I love Jesse's Videos. He's always been such a great voice in the gaming community, and his 5 Minute Gaming news is one of my favorite series on the internet. His Final Fantasy video was great to watch.

[@kadeweezywoodward9485]

Except hes clearly biased and mocking people for genuine critiques.

[@hannasaynwittgenstein-berl6931]

@@jaybee4288 wait, this is jesse cox are you perhaps mistaken him with pyromancer lmao ?

[@KnownAsKenji]

I find him hard to watch because he sort of jerks off through any game he plays

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Also, here are some games from Square Enix that have turn-based combat for people that miss that system: - Octopath Traveler 2 - Bravely Default series - Live A Live - Tactics Ogre Reborn - The upcoming SUPER MARIO RPG remake - DQ 11 - FF Pixel Remaster And for those who are longing for an "FF party in the traditional sense", wait for FF 7 Rebirth or the rumored FF 9 remake.

[@t.b.cont.]

Ffxiv and tactics are my favourites and they diverge the most of any final fantasy games I feel

[@louisrepucci8407]

Press Square, watch anime. Repeat.

[@MrThankman360]

11:43 Watching this after Baldurs Gate 3 cleared every GOTY award possible this year. LOL

[@SquallSZ]

😂😂😂

[@Nin_the_Shinobi]

This feels like a modern version of a classic Final Fantasy game.

[@budakbaongsiah]

By being unable to control a party? That's an antithesis of classic FFs.

[@earl-ty-kccgaines5113]

I have a buddy that played every FF except 14. And he enjoyed it. So did my gf. They didn't care about missing mechanics but they loved the overall gameplay and story. They geeked out over it for 12-15 hrs a day. Sharing and talking about who's who and what's what. I haven't played FF since PS1 so seeing them goo "oh s,#&, that's such and such". Or the "Oh no, I have to kill chocobos". My buddy said it's GoTY. Due to the story and gameplay.

[@TheGuiltsOfUs]

16 is still better than 15 and 13

[@budakbaongsiah]

That's a bar so low it should be included on the next Summer Olympic Game for Limbo dancing.

[@vanity1602]

I hate turn based combat so i dont care

[@TheBoEoSoT]

I understand those fans. But for myself I think the game is fun, the story is great, music is good that's all I wanted for a Finalfantasy series. *edit* Oh! And don't forget the Bahamut, Shiva, Chocobo, Moogle too!♥♥

[@id1550]

Here’s the problem: before you can even analyze the issue, you have to define what a makes a final fantasy game, a final fantasy game

[@Test-mq8ih]

​@@id1550there is also another issue with Purist FF fans like you keep telling ppl the "definition" of Final Fantasy game since FF 16 out

[@yoloparrot42]

I do not understand those fans lmao

[@rieruxcii]

@@id1550i’m honestly curious, what does make final fantasy game a final fantasy game for you?

[@altarofdespair984]

What if capcom made a turnbased DMC ?

[@MavZc]

Skill ups review would have been fine... If only he didn't review FF7R. I swear, all the things he hated or docked on FFXVI was something he loved/ignored on his review for FF7R even though they were the same.

[@kuzuald947]

16 and 7re is the same game without the latter party,status ailments/weakness and materia

[@gsczo]

Why are japanese games so good and have so much quality and effort, requires skill, makes you think, makes you love them, have no microtransactions and always innovate the gaming industry. Makes you think where the real talents of videogames really are. Look at SF6 as well, it's insane.

[@bc9554]

Blue protocol…

[@None38389]

Most of them DO have microtransactions, they are just not the kind of games you would pay attention to.

[@gsczo]

@@None38389 One example? Cause I'm not talking about Korean games.

[@KillerRabbitRE]

To be honest its time to move on , i like the direction they are going with final fantasy franchise, I think 16 was stepping stone to 17

[@budakbaongsiah]

Time to move on from action to a survival game next time, then. Time to appeal for a broader audience, right?

[@StaraviaXIII]

People don't like skill ups review because of all the hypocrisy, he says that parts of the game are bad when he says that the exact same things were good in ff7 remake, like the linear game design.

[@kamewu]

Some people : It's not FF ! Sakaguchi Hironobu : Let's play FF16 😎 I guess they think they know FF more than Sakaguchi Hironobu.

[@MrXxsnipesXx]

Me who absolutely adores this game but also loves games like 12, and 7 lol

[@mhchx3]

12 is my favorite FF and I feel so alone in this

[@Williosx]

Based

[@oldguru1251]

@@mhchx3 12 is my favorite to

[@jyuratodus272]

​@@mhchx312 is my favorite as well.

[@travisrees8939]

Asmon admitting he's never played FF7 is comparable to a movie critic admitting he's never seen The Godfather

[@AresGodOWar]

FF15 and FF16 are both beautiful huge mostly open world, I think I liked 15 a little more, Because you control your group. And 16 is a little too much arcade type game, Just too much going on the screen during fights. And tbh I'm really loving the summons fights, you don't even control them half the time.

[@chrislyngar9081]

It hasn't been an innovator since 10. 11 was an everquest clone. 12 was a Baulder's gate clone. 13 was a pile of garbage clone. 14 was an everquest clone, but it failed because they already had an everquest clone so they turned it into a WoW Clone. 15, they just said, aw, fuck it. 16 is a DMC clone.

[@ReplayMastersTekken]

After battling bahamut last night im still shock why most people still dislike the game

[@fabiomartinsgoldenberg1207]

Because a game is not only made of spectacular cutscenes and boss battles? And it's not "most".

[@nff_1950]

just finished that part thought the eikon battle couldn't get any better than titan fight. That bahamut fight is just crazy fun, can't wait to see the rest lol.

[@jaredtandle2596]

10 came out right around the same time as 9. That is the most impressive bit for me. 10 was crazy on the graphics.

[@altarofdespair984]

Remeber getting the ps2 with ffx bundle,grafics blew me away.ffix is still my fav.

[@Paajx]

10 one of the greatest stories

[@Jaydenreco]

10 was garbage

[@altarofdespair984]

@@Jaydenreco haaaahaaaaahaaaaahaaaaaahaaaaahaaaaaaa

[@tyler38rage]

​@@Jaydenrecoyou mean 10-2

[@samhammer5002]

16 is genuinely an amazing FF, do I wish I could customize my party? Yes. Do I wish there were classes? Sure. But this is STILL an amazing FF game. The story slaps, graphics slap, music SLAPS, is the combat different? Yeah but I think it is SO much fun!!

[@JordanWilliams-th8ij]

100% agree fam.

[@Honed-]

ill say this, its more of a hack and slash then an rpg,,, I'm more into the rpg, being classes, builds, playing the way i want to , and when i start a new game i can play it completely differently. now I'm sure this isn't a bad game,,, but its defiantly not for me.

[@dinnyskips]

You know who else left old fans behind? Star Wars, and absolutely no one thought it was a good idea when they did it. ‘Leave old fans behind’ is not always a good thing.

[@meghannhotmire3379]

Ff16 better game 🤷🏼‍♂️ and i platinum them all

[@Lichshield]

Well in Final fantasy (1) the production team was called A-Team. so... Creative business unit III is quiet a jump.

[@linkshellvendor]

There's a FF for everyone. People do tend to fall in love with their first FF.

[@charanko2971]

Hironobo Sakaguchi left the Final Fantasy franchise decades ago. You will never get the by gone days of the old Final Fantasy games. I came to this realization after Final Fantasy X.

[@Nowaylarry]

Honestly the only FF games I didn't particularly enjoy were 8 and 15. In both cases it was the combat system I didn't care for. That said, I 100% agree that the franchise has always been about taking risks with the IP. Also, I will certainly be watching the Dragon's Dogma playthrough. It is easily in my top five favorite action rpgs ever. Can't wait for the sequel.

[@emerestthisk990]

It is a very nice and welcome change for the series. That's not to say every FF will be the same going forward. The basement dwellers trying to cause trouble because they dont like the direction need to crawl back under their rocks, as more traditional FF is coming as early as Q1 next year with Rebirth.

[@gregzirger6996]

I used to watch Jesse all the time but I stopped when TotalBiscuit passed away. I loved their collabs so much and it just made me sad. I should start watching him again though. Jesse was always hilarious and such a nice person

[@johnjackson2349]

I started from ff7 on ps1, and this latest game is a masterpiece imo, the voice acting, story, immersion is all top tier. Of course turn based combat is no longer a thing and is alot different to the ff1-6 of the pixel remasters but it's a great game in its own right

[@CorpseBaron]

I kinda get both sides. On one side I think there are many examples of turn based jrpg's that are popular today so I don't get the need to change the style of the game to be an action hack'n'slash with rpg elements. On the other hand, Final Fantasy has always been a series that constantly tried new things and changed its mechanics to their core multiple times. Also FFXV was already basically an action game.

[@BygoneT]

I don't recall there being much experimentation before the turns went away

[@CorpseBaron]

@whasian1487 I'm not upset either! I love this game direction. But I also feel that the decision to lean so much on the Devil May Cry action style to revive the series made more sense during a specific time frame when japanese jrpg's were seriously struggling (PS3/early PS4 era). Today we have games like Persona 5, Octopath Traveller, Dragon Quest XI that are perhaps not as mainstream as FF, but someone could argue the contrary. Especially in recent times. Having said so, I love this game, but I get those opinions!

[@thesunthrone]

@@whasian1487 Exactly. There have never been as much good turn based RPGs out there than today. Atelier series, SMT series, Persona, Tales, Trails, Fire Emblem, Bravely Default, Octopath... You can feasibly play nothing but turn based RPGs and have thousands of hours of gameplay.

[@icgaming4508]

@@thesunthroneAlso we have Yakuza, which was always an action based game that changed to turned based in the latest reboot of the series.

[@EmberwindTale]

@@BygoneT 2 - No character levels, you instead increase skills by using them. Something akin to Skyrim. 3 - changing jobs in game instead of being set as the same jobs at the start. 5 - Mastery. Being able to take certain abilities from jobs and matching them with others. 6 - Magicite, customizing your characters magic by equiping different summons. 7 - Limit Break 8- Draw and Junction magic 10 - Interaction events in battles, party swapping mid fight.

[@MrDtm11]

The story of FF16 is more FF Tactics than Game of Thrones.

[@akiahara]

I was also concerned about the change to something more pure action RPG before 16 came out, especially because 13 and 15 are some of the worst games in the series, and FF7R did a fantastic job innovating on the battle and party system. However... 16 is amazing. I beat it two days ago and I'm still emotional. It's one of the only games I'm considering replaying in its entirety *right after* finishing the first playthrough. So I get people's concerns, and it's fine if you don't like it, but it's like the people whining about TOTK and BOTW not being Zelda games. Things can't always stay the same, and it'd be bad if they did.

[@dl6417]

he completely forgot about phantasy star online which came out a full year earlier for the Dreamcast