Final Fantasy (GBA) by Gyre (RPG Limit Break 2016 Part 14)

[@RPGLimitBreak]

Run Start: 3:46

[@dmorley100]

After seeing this, I bought the Final Fantasy game for iPad a couple of days ago. I'd never played any of the remakes, so I played it the same way I did the NES version, and everything was fine until I unlocked the Earth bonus dungeon. A couple of hours later (got lost in the forest part) I got to the 2 headed dragon. Lv. 24 and he made me look like I did NO level grinding whatsoever. Gonna have to rethink my whole fighting strategy to take this guy down. Thanks for introducing me to this remake 😊

[@PokeJoshNY]

dmorley100 the bonus dungeons are supposed to be end game content

[@mr.battle20]

@@PokeJoshNY Eh, sort of. The Earthgift Shrine can be done about the point where you get the airship, and the Hellfire Cavern when you class upgrade. The other two are definitely endgame though, especially the Lifespring Grotto which has both Shinryu and Omega Weapon as the final bosses.

[@punchsnonsense2336]

I always like to imagine the language you learn from the SLAB is pig Latin, and that's why you can learn it so quickly.

[@bigtimetimmyjim6486]

I cannot unsee the robots in the Mirage Tower shooting squirt guns at the party.

[@Arbron]

Bikke's pirates wouldn't be such a big deal if the towns didn't all have ports... that existed solely to let the ONLY ship in the world, which happens to be pirate-controlled, dock safely.

[@autodidactusplaysjrpgs7614]

Great run and commentary. I hope to see more of Gyre in the future.

[@Andrew_Erickson]

"Literally FISTING the final boss"

[@warrendesenberg]

I would have donated a lot for that! Haha

[@youcancallmefunk4745]

I just want to say no matter what happens from here , I love that you called him a "fighter" not a warrior

[@benrichardson5662]

He's a lover not a fighter, but he's also a fighter so don't get any funny ideas.

[@youcancallmefunk4745]

@@benrichardson5662 he will always be a fighter first

[@DFunct905]

DragonDarch is pretty clearly set on “learn speedrun” mode. He is focused on that game like a pit bull when it sees a smaller dog.

[@edpistemic]

This is the version I first played, so this is nice to see. Gyre is an excellent runner/commentator! :)

[@Qardo]

Basically one of my first ever RPG. I was 3 (I am 30 now...as of 2017) when I played this game. I had no idea what I was doing but I had fun! Yet older and played this game again. I enjoyed how simple and yet complex it was. It was most enjoyable beyond any other Final Fantasy game I've ever played.

[@salvest3rr]

You were 3? Calm down bro at least make the lie believable.

[@NotableElectronicSounds]

@@salvest3rr "i had no idea what i was doing but i had fun!" what's hard to believe about a 3 year old having fun playing a game that's 90% going over their head? 3 year olds are easily amused, dude. :P

[@possumverde]

I remember taking a picture of Warmech and sending it in to Nintendo Power when I was a kid. He then proceeded to completely wreck my party...and I didn't get anything for the picture as it was a drawing, not a guaranteed prize... edit: I also remember stumbling upon the power on Kyzoku trick as a kid (didn't know anything about coding or anything so never thought to do RNG mapping) and using it to grind early gold.

[@gabrieleriva651]

I grinded on that level for THREE HOURS STRAIGHT in the PS1 version, just to get that damn warmech.

[@Jazzypants2007]

Was that the contest that ultimately led to the Chris Houlihan room in Link to the Past, by chance?

[@bsharpmajorscale]

Wowie! I need to keep that "Evil Eye" in mind, since I've started a play through of the game myself.

[@stevemanart]

1:51:00 The reason why it was a big concern is because it is the one and only monster that the creator of D&D (E. Gary Gygax) made whole cloth. Everything else had obvious inspirations, but the beholder had no such root. As such TSR was very litigious about the usage of its appearance without license. WotC (They bought TSR in 1999) still is to a degree, as well.

[@Arbron]

"Honorary squidbirds." No one in human history has ever said that before, I'm guessing!

[@Rosbergen80]

Yes Roundabout

[@FoxPandaTV]

Gyre is my favorite runner.

[@NotableElectronicSounds]

he has the perfect combination of jokes, in-depth knowledge and laid-back attitude.

[@FoxPandaTV]

Yup

[@mr.battle20]

"How do you know Tiamat is a girl?" Because we're familiar with mythology. And Dungeons and Dragons.

[@leelyon4321]

1:30:00 Bahamut just wants a little tail.

[@CultOfJim]

I tried so hard to complete this port at Level 14 with just the items available in the original. Every single boss was doable at the levels I was at- except for Chaos. That HP boost was what forced me to use Giant Tonics- I could deal about 8000 damage before Cure 4 hit without em, MP tanked shortly after, which killed me without items that didn't exist in the original. Still killed the game at Level 14, just hated relaxing the rules of my challenge for just the last boss.

[@danielchrch]

1:17:57 "what ho, wizard! might you cast us a spell?" "I CAST FIST!"

[@Bammer2001]

I'm surprised DragonDarch joined this speedrun stream.

[@nesukit8694]

"In Dan, we trust"

[@ddopeyy]

TK, that you?

[@ArcaneSorceror]

Watching runs like these make me interested to get into speedruns, but then I remember how my luck 'behaves' when I am either running a D&D game (monsters barely make save DCs, and about a 30% hit rate for strong monsters, low CR monsters don't seem to be able to miss) compared to me playing a game (can't hit the ground to save my life, saves might as well be impossible, but I barely roll lower than 17 (on a 20-sided dice) on skills that could expand the story. Speedruns are just to terrifying as they can also rely on luck...

[@nujumkey]

play something like titansouls where luck isnt a factor

[@ArcaneSorceror]

I can actually hear Murphy, from "Murphy's Law" giggling...

[@nujumkey]

Andrew lol

[@chocobro7]

Good run and commentary

[@LordNanfoodle]

Tiamat being female has to do with the fact she is the "Queen of Dragons" or "Mother of Dragons," as she is also known in D&D. Also, no Warmech, Agama grind, or Out of Bounds Bat, so run invalidated. :3

[@Ryusuta]

That "You can't check under the skirt" line of his honestly made me wince a little.

[@anjoumaaka]

back in the days of the NES most games were not very forgiving with save points and game difficulty, partially due to the storage capacity of cartidge games. Let's thank Nintendo for creating the save feature to begin with. I like to think this is partially why one of the graves in Elfheim says "Here lies Link."

[@The24thWight]

So they murder a dude, rip out his eye, give it to a random hermit woman, then bring an elf a cup of coffee so they can borrow his keys? ... Seems legit.

[@NietypowyKurde]

She's blind. It's her crystal eye. He stole it.

[@The24thWight]

@@NietypowyKurde Either way they ripped out an eye, whether of crystal or flesh.

[@S0u1_Protokol]

I'm looking do a speed run on this and was wondering what system you are playing on in this because I looks like an snes controller in your hand but can't tell

[@DocShok]

S0u1 Protokol He's playing via the GameCube Game Boy Advance player, using a super famicom controller with a GameCube controller adaptor

[@S0u1_Protokol]

Ah ok thanks for the info :)

[@CoalMinersGlove92]

How is he autorunnin in battles?

[@neoqwerty]

IIRC, you hold L and R and it makes everyone run?

[@cpl.kokirikid5845]

Coalminers Glove which is a function on the gba remake.

[@arthurnewton1125]

How do you know Tiamat's a girl? I kid you not, it's in the music. In every remake of FFI, they added a boss theme, 2 fiend themes, and a final boss theme. One fiend theme is used for the males (Lich and Kraken), and the other is used for the females (Marailith and Tiamat).

[@Smilley85]

Also, Tiamat in mythology and especially D&D is female.

[@arthurnewton1125]

True, but since when have you been able to look to Final Fantasy for mythological accuracy?

[@Arkansym]

Liches are undead. They don't have a gender.

[@Penningtontj]

@@Arkansym Their gender would be based on their previous life, wouldn't it?

[@DFunct905]

Pennpenn I just scanned Tumblr and their consensus is that Lich is trans-necromantic. 🙂

[@zorochii]

ELF HOR. Hmmmmm that name sounds interesting... 🤔

[@Zeldon567]

That prelude. Kreygasm

[@ScootsLounge]

Hey, Thief is... Uh.... Ok I don't actually have anything, I just really like the class. Thief has been and will always be my favorite class to use in any rpg game.

[@Ryusuta]

Thief is still not GOOD in the remakes, exactly. However, they are at least functional, which is more than can be said for the original. In the original, none of their unique attributes (Luck, accuracy) actually functioned. In the remakes, Thief is actually halfway decent for low-level runs simply because he has a higher chance of escaping encounters and can do multiple hits relatively easily. So yeah. Still a bit outclassed, but has some situational uses which make him debatably okay for certain runs.

[@ScootsLounge]

@@Ryusuta I only said I liked them.

[@jorymil]

It's fashionable and/or easy to throw shade on Nasir and how broken the original game was. That's mistaken. When you literally have a one-person dev team, doing fairly complex computational logic, all in assembly language for a CPU without a multiply opcode, it's pretty amazing to put together a game fun enough to become a classic. I suspect that there were a lot of noop subroutines written, either initially to get a playable copy, or later on, to get everything to fit into program ROM. Deadlines+basic tools=compromises.

[@megatennepster3833]

It's similar to gen 1 of pokemon. It's impressive the game functions, even in a buggy state

[@Mythraen]

24:55 Wow, that was painful to listen to.

[@nikolaibreckenridge2287]

The netshenul alliance of melt illness...

[@petrsauer8240]

He is nerd and nervous

[@Ryusuta]

To me, the absolute definitive version of Final Fantasy 1 is the Playstation version. It corrected the vast majority of programming errors, had OPTIONAL quality of life tweaks, and yet stayed extremely true to the original gameplay design. The problem I have with the GBA/PSP/3DS version is that the changes they made really trivialized the difficulty, even with the enemy buffs, and made magic users absolutely ridiculously OP. Why ration your high level spells when it's all one magic pool? I really, really dislike the Dawn of Souls+ remakes. Except when I'm watching speedruns of them.

[@petrsauer8240]

Well magic is kinda shit in this. You are wrong about it. Melle is much stronger and better. I played nes version and psp version and nes version is not harder by any means. Both games can be grinded and you just end up op and is easy. Ps1 version is great i agree with you on that for og expirence

[@Ryusuta]

I can definitely agree to disagree on this.

[@NeeyahahaMM]

anomynous

[@xpoohx105]

favorite part of this speed run is anomonynous

[@awmehgoddd]

"UMD cartridges" "Mazzamyoon"

[@deathzombee]

couch did a good job with the announcer. announcer, This was 2016, and I hope you could go back and laugh at yourself a bit, as you were a bit disruptive at times, and the Tiamat comment was pretty bad.

[@cpthardluck]

Nah. You're hypersensitivity.

[@coheedandcambria100]

I am using First Slot : Black Mage Second Slot : Thief Third Slot : Black Mage Fourth Slot : White Mage What are your opinions? Has anyone else operated this way? I find a lot of fights with (2-4) Horses and 1 Ogre and X3 Worms. I think this route may give harder encounters in the wild, but I am not 100% certain. It's just what I've encountered. Maybe try it yourself. Tell me what you think. Especially when you get Black Mage 1 :Slow, Temper, Blizzard Black Mage 2 : Dark, Temper, Blizzard

[@Astynax27432]

You can beat it with 4 white mages... but the best party is typically 2 fighters and 2 Red Mages.

[@theinsanegamer1024]

or a fighter, a monk, a white mage and a black mage for casual playthroughs. You can leave the FINAL BOSS with less than 35% with a monk! 20,000 HP downed by 13100 at least. I couldn't breath when I saw that I was laughing so hard. 5 tempers, and 5 giants gauntlet uses and I KO'd him in 2 shots. I was going for 1 shot, but I didn't want to waste that much time.

[@leahcimzruc]

shouldn't you be working in the tofu shop?

[@petrsauer8240]

You can beat this game in any combination really

[@CrashOut7]

Interesting uses 2 red mages that's really smart I'd replace one with black mage tho so the story flows better but having 2 allows you to heal multiple times in the party. Pretty Geinus

[@petrsauer8240]

Story? Haha

[@cameronhay9868]

aNONymous…

[@camryds]

That tiamat comment was stupid.

[@cpthardluck]

You're weak

[@rpm297]

You'd figure for as hard as Warmech is, it should have dropped something badass for the party like Adamant Armor or a shield or something. Straight XP for it feels a little anticlimactic.

[@chrislovin5777]

Host tryed his best to read, gotta appreciate the attempt.

[@DarkAuraLord]

>white mage named minwu this guy knows his FF. Minwu was the homie in ff2.

[@awmehgoddd]

Names were donation incentive

[@petrsauer8240]

Idiot

[@rpm297]

Dear Gyre, Went to Star Wars Land to blow some shit up, and then take a nice oil bath afterwards with my buddy C3PO. It's going to feel so good! Your Humble Adversary, ~WARMECH~

[@stevenrodan5160]

The host sounds completely plastered...

[@chillnagasden6190]

Every 4 seconds : *SNIFF*. Ruined.

[@petrsauer8240]

He needs his cocain refill dude

[@cpthardluck]

LOL and all the people who think men can be women who got mad at the tiamat comment. Get over it.

[@Dylan_thebrand_slayer_Mulveiny]

Errr...timer starts as soon as you have control. They need to add like another minute for the time he spent naming the charachters. Also 1:07:07 he's wrong. In the NES version, if you use a walk through walls hack, you CAN get the rod without having the ruby. He's either misinformed or lying. 1:14:00 is also wrong. The nes version ALWAYS put the status afflicted members in the last row. I don't know if this guy just never played the NES version, or if he's just bullshitting his way through commentary. He really looks uneducated in this video tbh. 1:18:00 They are called Wiz in NES game, not mage. And also the second form of the Wiz is first encountered in Ice cave, not ordeals. LIke seriously, how are these idiots getting so many things wrong about a game they apparently know so much about? 1:22:40 nope wrong again. The earth shrine has 4 bosses. Also the optional dungeons have 10, 20, 30 and 40 floors respectively. Seriously, do these idiots know ANYTHING about this game? Have they even played it before this? It seriously destroys your credibility when you don't know what you're talking about and just make shit up. Seriously, why do commentary if everything you say is wrong? Totally ruined the video for me, had to stop watching. Seriously, if you're going to run events like this, please make sure your runners know about the game they are playing.

[@DoctorWhom]

4 things wrong at 1:22:40 is only a wrong thing every 20 minutes, for the amount of talking they seem to be doing that seems like they got a decent percentage correct. I'm only 17 mins in, and then I realize I'm trying to play this game, so I should avoid spoilers. Maybe they had less mistakes in their earlier NES speed run?

[@Bowshewicz]

Different games have different rules for counting time. For Final Fantasy, time starts after inputting names. Not to mention how silly it would have been to quibble over a few added seconds of time resulting from a donation incentive in a marathon run. The ordering of party members sounds like a glitch, which maybe happens infrequently. It's absurd to insinuate that the runner hasn't played the NES version because he's encountered a bug that you haven't. Gyre calls the Piscodemons "Wizards" several times and commonly uses the NES names for items and characters throughout the run. He is obviously familiar with the NES version. And if you had continued watching, you would have known that it is possible to visit the Castle of Ordeals before the Ice Cave. You are wrong about the number of levels in the Shrines. They have 5, 10, 20, and 40. You could have easily looked that up. Besides, Gyre's area of expertise is in speedrunning the game and those dungeons aren't in the route. I'm surprised that didn't occur to you. The next time you decide to call someone an idiot for getting minor details wrong about a game, you should spend the extra few seconds to double check that your "corrections" are even accurate.

[@NotableElectronicSounds]

you are the worst kind of person

[@guthix560]

Bro i guarantee you that gyre knows far more about every version of ff1 than you ever will. Cringe

[@Dylan_thebrand_slayer_Mulveiny]

@@guthix560 Did you not read my comment? Everything I stated is 100% correct.

[@dethaddr]

BOO! This game doesn't belong here. It's such a gross bastardization of the original, and completely too easy. Since the DoS build of the game is so easy, this should have been a solo character run.

[@paulocallagahan8731]

Please, then post your single character no death run :)

[@dethaddr]

There's plenty of those around. FF board on GameFAQs will tell you. Solo Red Mage/Wiz, Fighter/Knight, Black Belt/Master and Ninja are all fairly doable runs. Like I said, the DoS version of the game is entirely too easy, especially with the added stuff. I even soloed a Thief on the original, it wasn't easy. I was one of the first two to do it. Then we had several others on the board attempt and laboriously complete the task on the original. To date, I'm the only one I know of who took a solo Thief to WarMECH and defeated him in the original (took nearly two months of attempts from outside the Mirage Tower for that, no save states on NES, friends). Nearly anyone on the board can make a solo run on this version of the game because the difficulty has been dumbed down to the extreme (and all the bugs were fixed, making it easier still).

[@hi-i-am-atan]

so what you're saying is that _isn't_ a jrpg?

[@dethaddr]

What I am saying is that if you have played both the original NES version AND ANY of the remakes, you'll know this game is a gross bastardization of the original. Kinda like the original Ghostbusters movie vs the new one.... ugh, just ugh. In fact, the ONLY thing truly improved upon in the remakes is the ToF music. Part of Final Fantasy 1's charm was just how difficult it could be at times and how you couldn't just save where you wanted to.

[@hi-i-am-atan]

so what you're saying is you have no idea what the conditions are for a game to appear in rpg limit break

[@Bradgilliswhammyman]

This is so cool. Small retro game event, but everyone having a good time.

[@guthix560]

>anomynous Please, get someone that knows how to speak properly next time. It was painful to hear this guy try to read.

[@MrAkaidu]

Joseph Bowman Or maybe the person donating had the screen name anomynous?

[@Arbron]

Don't forget "Fiagra." (at 1:57:23)

[@tree_alone]

@@Arbron lol just spam viagra