Final Fantasy's Many Scandals

[@ManyKudos]

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[@rekk1215]

hi kudos

[@9r0t0typ3]

0.0 this comment is 5 hours older than the video. Hacker alert 0.0 jk

[@IdentifiantE.S]

@anicedayy Not us

[@KaladinVegapunk]

Just a heads up, the "personalized" routine you get after the quiz is the same for everyone, face wash & day/night cream, ive tried it before. Good products sure but that was kind of lame, doesnt matter what you enter

[@AgentAardvark]

Salt the snail.

[@1Henrink]

Imagine making a bad puzzle without proper guides, then when the players find a smart way to solve the puzzle you say "no no you can't do it like that"

[@jemleith3263]

I played during those days. We held Absolute Virtue up for 32 hrs, just dying and reviving, trying to figure out the puzzle. Had a few guilds there, like 80+ people rotating. Was fun in a way, but would never want to do it again.

[@hokagejason4732]

You can't be referring to the Omega Ultimate segment are you? They didn't "Find a smart way" to solve the puzzle they cheated by modding the game. Cheated.

[@onlymyself1234]

@@hokagejason4732 He's referring to the segment right before that you absolute clonk

[@hokagejason4732]

Okay after watching the whole video I'm assuming you're actually talking about the FF11 incident, which is no different, they freaking cheated. Imagine thinking cheating is a "clever way" of "solving" something. It's not clever and it's not really solving it, it's taking a quitters route.

[@someguy9388]

One thing I'll give bungie: they never fixed riven cheese, and I respect that

[@yourhighschoolenglishteach8405]

honestly the pizza one upset me too. i don’t think people were upset about not getting the emote; i think they were upset about being tricked into using grubhub.

[@andyoats]

I mean, I reckon I would be too. I love pizza, enough that I'd gladly buy some if it also meant getting an emote that I'd forget I had the very next day, but if I had to order it from a site calling itself Grubhub? Think I'd rather just go hungry...

[@stellviahohenheim]

soy yo

[@FatherTime89]

If you pay for something and don't get it, and also don't get a refund, you're a victim of fraud. Even if it is an emote.

[@yan-amar]

Yeah people are fed up with being ripped off left and right by companies that can't seem to be held accountable for anything big or small.

[@MurrmorMeerkat]

If your that stupid enough to buy pizza for a emote you dersve it

[@theotherjared9824]

Absolute virtue is like a D&D group finding a clever, unintended solution to a problem, then the dungeon master changing the rules on the fly to punish their ingenuity.

[@opo3628]

The devs of XI had *exactly* that attitude of punishing the players for managing to overcome what were literally meant to be impossible challenges. 😑

[@rodneyjones1990]

​@@opo3628PUT YOUR FAITH AND TRUST IN JESUS CHRIST AND HIS FINISHED WORK UPON THE CROSS ON WHICH HE SHED HIS BLOOD FOR OUR FORGIVENESS OF SINS AND HEALING BECAUSE YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN TO HAVE GOD'S TRUE FORGIVENESS OF SIN and TRUE HEALING and TRUE PEACE and TRUE REST FOR YOUR SOUL AND TRUST AND BELIEVE IN HIS RESURRECTION BY THE POWER OF THE HOLY GHOST BY WHICH HE ROSE AGAIN TO GIVE US HIS ETERNAL EVERLASTING LIFE AND IN HIS ASCENSION TO THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD OUR FATHER AFTER WHICH HE SENT THE HOLY SPIRIT TO US YOU AND ME DID WE MAY ALL BE ABLE TO BELIEVE AND TRUST AND KNOW THAT GOD IS TRUE AND REAL AND EXISTS AND BE BORN AGAIN BY THE POWER OF THE HOLY GHOST WHO CONVICTS US OF OUR SINS END OF THE JUDGMENT OF THE WORLD AND THE RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH IS IN CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD FOR IT IS ONLY THROUGH THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND HIS FINISHED WORK UPON THE CROSS (NOT OUR OWN WORKS BUT HIS) THAT WE CAN EVEN BE MADE RIGHTEOUS AT ALL BEFORE GOD THE FATHER FOR OUR SINS ARE MANY BUT GOD RICH IN MERCY SENT HIS SON JESUS CHRIST WHO IS GOD HIMSELF IN HUMAN FORM YET WITHOUT SIN TO BE THE PERFECT SACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS TO TAKE THE PUNISHMENT THAT WE DESERVED FOR OUR SINS UPON HIMSELF SO THAT WE COULD BE FORGIVEN AND BE SPARED GOD'S WRATH FOR OUR SINS AND INSTEAD BE JUSTIFIED BEFORE GOD AND HAVE HIS SALVATION AND HIS ETERNAL EVERLASTING LIFE AND NO LONGER FEAR THE STING OF DEATH AND FEAR GOING TO HELL BUT INSTEAD REMAIN AT REST IN GOD THROUGH CHRIST BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH ABIDING GOD'S TRUE REST AND TRUE PEACE WHICH SURPASSES ALL UNDERSTANDING AND IN GOD'S THE FULL OF ASSURANCE OF SALVATION KNOWING THAT WE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE (AND THOUGH OUR FLESHLY BODIES WON'T LAST FOREVER) OUR SOULS WILL GO ON AND LIVE FOREVER AND GO TO HEAVEN TO BE HOME WITH GOD OUR FATHER AND NOT DIE AND GO TO HELL FOR OUR SINS FOR FOR WE WHO HAVE FAITH AND TRUST AND BELIEVE INTO JESUS CHRIST THE ROCK OF OUR SALVATION OUR TRUE SAVIOR, AND LORD, AND OUR TRUE HUSBAND, HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN OF ALL OUR SINS PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE IN JESUS CHRIST BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST AND WE KNOW THIS BY HIS HOLY SPIRIT WHOM HE GOD HAS GIVEN US AS A SEAL AND TESTIMONY TO TESTIFY TO US THAT WE BELONG TO CHRIST AND ARE SAVED IN CHRIST JESUS BY THE POWER OF HIS BLOOD WHICH HE SHED FOR US UPON HIS CROSS IN JESUS NAME I DECLARE THIS OVER YOU AMEN! AMEN! HALLELUJAH! PRAISE GOD!

[@rodneyjones1990]

PUT YOUR FAITH AND TRUST IN JESUS CHRIST AND HIS FINISHED WORK UPON THE CROSS ON WHICH HE SHED HIS BLOOD FOR OUR FORGIVENESS OF SINS AND HEALING BECAUSE YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN TO HAVE GOD'S TRUE FORGIVENESS OF SIN and TRUE HEALING and TRUE PEACE and TRUE REST FOR YOUR SOUL AND TRUST AND BELIEVE IN HIS RESURRECTION BY THE POWER OF THE HOLY GHOST BY WHICH HE ROSE AGAIN TO GIVE US HIS ETERNAL EVERLASTING LIFE AND IN HIS ASCENSION TO THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD OUR FATHER AFTER WHICH HE SENT THE HOLY SPIRIT TO US YOU AND ME DID WE MAY ALL BE ABLE TO BELIEVE AND TRUST AND KNOW THAT GOD IS TRUE AND REAL AND EXISTS AND BE BORN AGAIN BY THE POWER OF THE HOLY GHOST WHO CONVICTS US OF OUR SINS END OF THE JUDGMENT OF THE WORLD AND THE RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH IS IN CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD FOR IT IS ONLY THROUGH THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND HIS FINISHED WORK UPON THE CROSS (NOT OUR OWN WORKS BUT HIS) THAT WE CAN EVEN BE MADE RIGHTEOUS AT ALL BEFORE GOD THE FATHER FOR OUR SINS ARE MANY BUT GOD RICH IN MERCY SENT HIS SON JESUS CHRIST WHO IS GOD HIMSELF IN HUMAN FORM YET WITHOUT SIN TO BE THE PERFECT SACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS TO TAKE THE PUNISHMENT THAT WE DESERVED FOR OUR SINS UPON HIMSELF SO THAT WE COULD BE FORGIVEN AND BE SPARED GOD'S WRATH FOR OUR SINS AND INSTEAD BE JUSTIFIED BEFORE GOD AND HAVE HIS SALVATION AND HIS ETERNAL EVERLASTING LIFE AND NO LONGER FEAR THE STING OF DEATH AND FEAR GOING TO HELL BUT INSTEAD REMAIN AT REST IN GOD THROUGH CHRIST BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH ABIDING GOD'S TRUE REST AND TRUE PEACE WHICH SURPASSES ALL UNDERSTANDING AND IN GOD'S THE FULL OF ASSURANCE OF SALVATION KNOWING THAT WE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE (AND THOUGH OUR FLESHLY BODIES WON'T LAST FOREVER) OUR SOULS WILL GO ON AND LIVE FOREVER AND GO TO HEAVEN TO BE HOME WITH GOD OUR FATHER AND NOT DIE AND GO TO HELL FOR OUR SINS FOR FOR WE WHO HAVE FAITH AND TRUST AND BELIEVE INTO JESUS CHRIST THE ROCK OF OUR SALVATION OUR TRUE SAVIOR, AND LORD, AND OUR TRUE HUSBAND, HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN OF ALL OUR SINS PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE IN JESUS CHRIST BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST AND WE KNOW THIS BY HIS HOLY SPIRIT WHOM HE GOD HAS GIVEN US AS A SEAL AND TESTIMONY TO TESTIFY TO US THAT WE BELONG TO CHRIST AND ARE SAVED IN CHRIST JESUS BY THE POWER OF HIS BLOOD WHICH HE SHED FOR US UPON HIS CROSS IN JESUS NAME I DECLARE THIS OVER YOU AMEN! AMEN! HALLELUJAH! PRAISE GOD!

[@kodac4256]

What's a clever in D&D?

[@everythingpony]

​@@opo3628they used exploits and cheated?

[@UltravioletNomad]

A food delivery promo for an MMO, and during the game awards no less, is actually fucking genius. How could they fuck this up? This would have been a griefless, unproblematic slam dunk for both companies.

[@AkuraTheAwesome]

Artificially restricting supply of something that didn't cost anything and restricting it again for a single account is baffling.

[@offender0]

Damn I'd love the eat pizza emote. I made a macro that chains all the current eating & drinking emotes in the game for when players are watching cutscenes.

[@MforMovesets]

Grief free? With a community of weebs, neckbeards, or weeb neckbeards? 😂

[@grygaming5519]

@@AkuraTheAwesome the weirdest thing is both SE and Grubhub blamed each other. SE blamed Grubhub for not requesting codes on demand to fulfill all orders as they were allowed to do as part of the contract. Grubhub argued that SE made it clear it was supposed to be 'limited edition' thus restricting the amount of codes. My guess people who were running Grub Hub marketing and in charge of codes were syphoning off the pizza codes to sell on ebay for big dollars...at the same time telling their customers to go shove it and only let go a certain amount of codes to fulfil contract. As others and myself have pointed out SE should have just released it as a global compensation for poor mismanagement on Grubhub. The other feeling is...there's probably a contract that prevents that....I mean SE gave away nearly 2 months of free subscription due to all the Endwalker issues, giving a emote to all accounts would be simple enough unless there's legal blocking such a thing from happening.

[@niwatorimeat]

It’s interesting how the same campaign went without a hitch in Japan (granted we don’t have Grubhub here, so it was a collab with Demae-can).

[@TheAnnoyingPest]

I love the way Kudos describes food, it's so unnecessarily graphic and unappetizing. it's great

[@ManyKudos]

If some restaurant wants me to write copy for them I would jump at the opportunity

[@hunterdavis9941]

For the Raubahn EX thing, later in the expansion Square Enix gave the player base a small wind-up version of Raubahn that would follow the player base around. This pet came with a little apology in it's description text. Specifically the text reads: "Ostensibly produced to commemorate Ala Mhigo's liberation, this avatar of the Flame General was originally meant to serve as an apology for the campaign's troubled start. To that end, it was said to have been programmed to beg forgiveness a dozen different ways."

[@humbleebumblee]

Lol I love how much self awareness is in the game

[@AzureRoxe]

Some other issues with Absolute Virtue: Since he can use every class's 2 hour ability, he could use the White Mage's ability Benediction.......which fully heals him. Another big problem was the video that Square Enix showed. Outside of some of the hints, it was VERY clear that the footage was spliced from multiple attempts, meaning that the reason they took so long to show that video is because they heavily struggled to kill Absolute Virtue themselves. It's also been rumored for a long time that they never beat him at all since the video kinda just cuts to him dying, which makes people believe they used admin commands to instantly kill it.

[@nunyabiznes7446]

That was the real boss fight solution they wanted players to figure out

[@jerrellmackall4653]

@@nunyabiznes7446 it was killed for real after a group glitched it in that corner wall for a kill. But I do remember getting drunk and watching everyone just get jaded after the 3rd Benediction.

[@marishiten5944]

Benediction was nothing. It was Chainspell and Manafont that caused problems due to spamming Meteor which had a massive range, would hit people outside of the alliance, and would cast instantly. AV would be able to fire off multiple 2 hours at a time and could do them over and over. That was the problem.

[@AzureRoxe]

@@marishiten5944 Benediction is quite literally one of the reasons an 18+hour attempt failed.

[@marishiten5944]

@@AzureRoxe You can deal with Benediction. That's not the problem. You can chip at it if you can overcome the auto regen (usually with a MNK or NIN with subtle blow stacked). The difficulty of AV was the wipe from Manafont/Chainspell and to an extent charm. The bulk of the time was holding AV and waiting for alliances to come unweakened and gain TP/buffs to try again. I was there when BG held it on Bahamut for forever. Benediction was annoying, but not the main problem. Meteor/Chainspell/Manafont was.

[@skybuilder23]

I payed $25 for lukewarm burger king for that Pizza Emote and didn't even get it. My family relentlessly made fun of me.

[@TheOtherBradBird]

Well... did you learn?

[@skybuilder23]

@@TheOtherBradBird To never spend money at grub hub again? yes I did learn that.

[@jadthecat387]

@@skybuilder23to not spend irl money on emotes for games.

[@SissypheanCatboy]

@@jadthecat387 if someone decides they think a videogame emote is worth their money, they're entitled to their purchase, regardless of if you think its dumb.

[@JDKDKDLDKDKDKDKKKDERYY]

​@@SissypheanCatboyits still dumb and hes allwowed to say so

[@THEGRUMPTRUCK]

Every time the players figured out a cheese, but legal way to kill Absolute Virtue SE got pissed. Sometimes the players doing it legitimately were penalized for clearing it. Nobody knows why SE hated the fact that people could eventually defeat it, as its rewards were garbage and only the title was there for bragging rights.

[@chriskimball4893]

It's rewards were garbage? Actually, I have a better term for that. There was no reward for killing Absolute Virtue. When people were finally able to kill it legitimately, players were stunned to find out a secret SE was keeping all that time. Absolute Virtue had no drop table. In other words, you did not get ANYTHING for beating him outside of bragging rights. So, in short, not only did no one get good gear from AV, you didn't get ANYTHING AT ALL for beating him. Not even an absurd amount of gil. Not even one gil. So, all those people who were banned for exploiting AV? They were banned for no reason whatsoever, essentially. They were banned just so the developers could keep laughing at the players who would try for YEARS to kill this thing, to no avail. Absolute Virtue was never intended to be killable. He was always just one giant middle finger from the dev team to their players. AV was maliciousness given form, not a boss.

[@DrawciaGleam02]

@@chriskimball4893 No. NO NO NO. I understand why the gamers were mad. Even Pokemon gave out SOMETHING for completing the Nat. Dex!!!!!

[@chrismanuel9768]

​@@chriskimball4893Even worse. If they didn't want him to be beatable, they could have just made it so it would never go below 1 health, or give it an infinite health bar. But they made it killable. They gave it finite health and finite skills, even if they were ABSURDLY high. They made it so it could be theoretically beaten. People still dick ride Yoshi P as this brilliant leader, but he's actually not very good at many aspects of his job

[@chriskimball4893]

@@chrismanuel9768 Yoshi P isn't a brilliant developer. That's not why people love him. It's because he's well aware of his shortcomings and makes a real effort to appeal to the fans; to make what the fans want as best he can. He's always listening to feedback, playing his own game, and interacting with FF14's community. He's not some godly developer; he's just a guy doing his best to keep the fans happy. He listens, sometimes a little too much, and cares what people think. It makes him extremely relatable and easy to talk to. That's why people like Yoshi P so much.

[@lunadead]

@@chrismanuel9768 AV in ffxi wasn't even Yoshi-P's idea since he never were looking over ffxi...it was the guy that fuck up ffxiv tremendously and having SE resort to get someone else helming the ship. But yeah, people like Yoshi-P not because he is a god developer but because he listens and tries his best to improve the game he helms.

[@plasmahandoku1073]

If people are unaware how the video even got leaked aka the Ultimate raid in FFXIV. It is because they had a 9th man member that was there to help them and plan mechanics as an observer. When they finished clearing they would him clear the fight. But what ended up happening after they cleared, they didn't even bother keeping their promise with the 9th man. So he ended up leaking the video. Pretty much they played themselves at that point.

[@FillYouWithMe]

One of my old bosses used to brag about being a part of the "Final Fantasy 18 hour boss fight" and how he got one of the best drops off of the boss.. And now I find out the fight he pretended to be in never even killed the fucking boss! I guess that's what I get for not looking into things.

[@treesuschrist1782]

A good rule of thumb for life, if they brag about something like that, best not to trust them. Best case, they are lying. Worst case, they are an ego driven goblin who probably has a negative next to their charisma score. As a friend of mine, another goblin, once said, "Im not good at the game because I got all these rare titles, I was just stupid enough to smash my head against the brick wall till it broke"

[@vyressi]

Even better there was no drop table, the boss gave nothing

[@DrawciaGleam02]

@@vyressi I never played any Final Fantasy game and even I think that's a load of bull! Even Pokemon handled the Nat. dex better than these fools!

[@cericat]

@@treesuschrist1782 oh I feel that with some of the titles/achievements I've earned in various MMOs, sometimes it's just down to right place right time with the RNG.

[@halo129830]

@@DrawciaGleam02dude I’d be so pissed… fun fact I spent 12 fucking hours in a dungeon in final fantasy 15 I was heading up to the save because I had cleared pretty much every damn route minus the boss room and a few other routes when the game crashed I haven’t picked up final fantasy 15 since. I completed the Pokémon platinum national dex legit I had spent two years and it was the best feeling the certificate was my bragging rights but I never bragged but it was a cool trophy wish I had that save still

[@calumbeattie5337]

Fun fact about Raubahn Extreme- when the next expansion launched (Shadowbringers) there were no instances near the start of the main story. It also has a divergence where there are two things you need to do on two different maps, but you can do them in either order (thus splitting the players between two maps rather than having them all clogging one of them) and solo instances now had a queue system because they did not want that happening again!

[@revaryk6868]

Ohhh, never thought of the split route system at the start being a way to prevent the stuff that happened with Raubahn Extreme.

[@Ashtarte3D]

Yeah it's like they actually learned from past mistakes. Shame too many other AAA publishers don't do this, like goddam Blizzard or Ubisoft.

[@kyubayas]

@@revaryk6868Well technically they already had the split in HW and even SB, with the option to either go back to the Fringes with M’naago or go to the Peaks with Meffrid. Although the spilts in ShB and EW certainly seem bigger and more distinct by comparison

[@ManyKudos]

Reminds me of how Wrath of the Lich King had two starting zones instead of the one they had in Burning Crusade because the bottlenecking (esp on PvP servers) was so bad. Though why anyone would choose Borean Tundra over Howling Fjord is beyond me

[@Todesschleicher]

​@@ManyKudos well I'll have you know I'm an idiot and just played the first region I arrived at, thus playing Borean Tundra, thank you very much

[@yoso378]

The Absolute Virtue nonsense was especially bad because it feels like it goes against the design of the game up to that point. One of FF11's best features is how varied some builds can be thanks to gear bonuses and sub job choices. Player experimentation ended up fostering up new playstyles for jobs (most prominent being the Ninja tank) and the devs seemed to catch wind of stuff like this and add gear or abilities to complement these new play styles. Absolute Virtue was just like NO YOU HAVE TO DO IT THIS WAY.

[@OtakuWrath]

It was also horrible because the Kraken Club those Dark Knights used is one of the hardest items in the game to get. In some ways it would be harder to get a group of Dark Knights together with a full set of Kraken Clubs than it was actually beating Absolute Virtue itself. To get the Kraken Club, You had to farm 60 Beastmen seals which have a low-ish drop rate and then you had to spend those 60 seals to fight a fairly hard boss with 2 other players for a lower than 1% drop rate item that was even lower than expected because there was a chance to get something else in place of the Kraken Club in the drop pool, some even reported the drop rate at the time being as low as 0.02% and since it was such a desirable item, you also had to risk the other 2 people you fought the boss with sniping the item making it even harder to get. This item was the most expensive singular item in the game to purchase We'll ignore how much money and time it cost to farm end game content to get Excalibur since that wasn't money directly spent on the weapon alone. So again having a full group get together with this giga rare Kraken Club was at least as impossible as beating Absolute Virtue. It wasn't just rare either, It was desirable because it was also one of the strongest items in the game.

[@yoso378]

​@@OtakuWrathyeah it was incredibly dumb because the setup required was insane. Maybe they were worried it would lead to people buying tons of gil specifically for that strategy? They were very heavy handed with dealing with stuff like that from what I remember.

[@SlightlyRare]

There were times before AV that SE changed things that didn't fit their vision of how the game should be played. The most notable I recall was removing almost all enmity gained from the mazurka's (notably raptor mazurka) since some of us were playing bard tank with great success in certain fights (Fafnir, Nidhogg, some other flying NMs). Sucks when someone discovers something in a game that is removed due to it being different than the developers way they would play the game.

[@JoshuaPAMployee]

Didn't Ninja Tank also start the term EVASION TANK because I don't remember it before then TBH

[@LordDaret]

The reason why is because: Patience is a virtue

[@PaterAnderson]

Regarding Raubahn EX, comments already mentioned the same issue happening a few quests later with another NPC, but there was arguably an even worse roadblock waiting about 2 hours later into the expansion. When clearing the first Trial of Stormblood, The Pool of Tribute, there was a chance your game would crash, and continue to do so every time you tried to log in to the character that caused it. After the cutscene that plays when clearing the Trial for the first time, your character would spawn in a body of water, and if you happened to start the Trial while doing an emote that couldn't be used while in water, the game couldn't handle that, resulting in a crash every time you log in with that character. Once affected, there was no workaround to fix your character on your own, and Support had to manually relocate every affected character. I remember all three roadblocks combined were sometimes called "The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost"

[@princessshi9714]

Yep! My ex and I hit all three roadblocks. I was spared the Pool of Tribute one but he sat down prior to the instance and then we had to wait hours until they could move his character. That expansion launch was one of the absolute worst I've ever seen haha

[@StrazdasLT]

Look at the bright side, at least you wouldnt drown and loose the character while crashed.

[@Chris-ok4zo]

MK sounds like he's describing an obscure tribe's culture from ancient times every time he talks about these game scandals, and I'm all in for it. That part about the horde of bald men really caught my attention.

[@johnmarkus6868]

"Came down on them like a sack of Final Fantasy themed bricks" could have been "Dropped a plate on them like they were living in Sector 7s Slums"

[@noot3427]

I was thinking fat chocobo summon

[@autobotstarscream765]

​@@noot3427Knights of the Round, but they're all drunk af. 🍻

[@alestane2]

Or just a sac of popotoes.

[@CallMeCJ_]

Everyone has these elaborate analogies when you could literally just use Gil

[@Bonavire]

Like a Sack of astral rocks 😂

[@mistypuffs]

As a nerdy child I enjoyed factual books a lot, and my mum bought tons of bird seed over months to send tokens from the boxes away for a book of bird types for me. After 2 months a package came back with the returned tokens, saying “sorry, out of stock”, so I know how the pizza emoters felt there

[@ManyKudos]

I am truly sorry for your loss

[@L_Train]

Sorry, we didn't think anyone was nerdy enough to actually want one of these

[@mistypuffs]

@@L_Train oh you have no idea mate. None ^^

[@terrylandess6072]

Nothing like crapping on the dreams of children eh? At least that was something physical which will have a limited supply, unlike computer code which can be copied Ad Infinitum.

[@No_True_Scotsman]

:'( I like how they gave you back the tokens as if you could use them for something else

[@viridianloom]

That bit at 15:55 actually sounds like it would be a cool official role in an MMORPG, tacticians who don't actually participate in the battle but are essential in being able to relay information between team mates who can't see the entirety of the game field.

[@Shakzor1]

That's what we did in one of the raids this xpac. Someone that already cleared in, taught us via discord. Afterall, i don't think there are any rules against that. We just forgot to cheat with advantage giving mods, like those in the video.

[@godofmediocrity7582]

Great idea in concept, but that could easily lead to just playing the full battleground in a discord stream, kinda neutering the point. If they could manage to find a way that only the tactician could view the battlefield (like maybe a dedicated device or hell, maybe even a Smart TV app since you can't record that), that'd be sick.

[@cericat]

I'm honestly surprised no MMO has since raid bosses have been a part of every MMO's meta for a long blasted time, it's precisely why I don't do trials on ESO because there's very limited folks willing to do guided runs for newbies so if you don't know their schedule or can't match with it you're just expected to already know and frankly a lot of the videos of the trials suck for teaching the mechanics. Even some of the vHM dungeons are a pain to learn the mechanics for, a friend and I've rerun some dungeons a lot and still occasionally get one tapped by stuff we've not seen trigger before (RNG or ZOS RNG? Who knows). tl;dr An actual tactician role to allow for directing teams would be a godsend for raids with unknown mechanics to be researched properly.

[@vtubersubs3803]

This is exactly how organized fleet battles work in EVE. Fleet commanders fly a special type of ship that has extreme defenses but no offensive capability because in the past, before that ship existed, the best tactic to winning an engagement was to just have your entire fleet instakill the enemy FC

[@StrazdasLT]

@@Shakzor1 There were no advantage given mods though? Just a nice table of timers the game already gives you.

[@xyno512]

Survivor of Raubahn EX. My friends and I managed to get past it pretty early on. It was pretty great, since we made it to the end game city with almost no one else there. Really did feel like we 4 were the heroes of the realm.

[@ManyKudos]

You still are in my eyes

[@xyno512]

@@ManyKudos T.T ty

[@jessefoster6653]

We has a line set up on my server for Raubahn EX. We also did something similar for a quest back in phase 3 beta

[@Rich_P_Anya]

Cringe

[@bunnyluve]

Thank you for "punishing" Mr. Chips with a hug. The cat tax has been paid!

[@ViewTube_Emperor_of_Mankind]

18 hour bossfights is just a game development team having a collective seizure. Probably too much lead in their coffee.

[@yoso378]

From what I understand, the fight wasn't supposed to last anywhere near that long but they were screwing up some mechanic. Still the fact that it was able to lead to that was such an insane oversight that should have never been possible to begin with.

[@lunadead]

@@yoso378 The boss doesn't even drop anything whatsoever. AV is just there to say "fuck you" to people that would no life the game.

[@otaking3582]

When the developers themselves are such sore losers that they constantly move the goal posts, I think that's a sign of bad management.

[@coolyeh1017]

Let's say there is a reason why they had a new guy take over FFXIV after XI (though it was successful for the time) and XIV 1.0 disaster.

[@getbn6547]

19:08 Mr Chips did NOT interrupt the take 5 times. The take interrupted Mr Chips' cuddle time, 5 times.

[@KarazolaX]

Oh my god. The GRUBHUB MOMENT. I did the event while the game awards were playing. I didn't get a code. I called customer support to ask where it was. The first two customer service reps just hung up on me in the middle of the conversation (I wasn't yelling or being rude, they just hung up without warning because they didn't want to deal with it) After my FOURTH representative, they told me that the event was over when I ordered it. (You had until the end of the game awards to redeem the code, so they were blatantly wrong.) After another TWO reps I finally got someone to tell me that they'd be able to send me a code in 2 weeks, after I asked them for a refund of the food and said I'd be talking to my bank about what happened.

[@JimMilton-ej6zi]

Sometimes you just gotta be a ball buster to em to get what you want. People may call it "karen" behavior but the facts are some people just won't listen until you put them in a position that would make them have to put in more work than if they just simply listened to you, and it's a shame that has to happen at all but it's required sometimes.

[@MyH3ntaiGirl]

​@@JimMilton-ej6zilike Hank Hill when he threatened to kick people arse

[@halo129830]

I hate when costumer service only finnaly does something when you say “well I guess my bank is going to have a word with you then.” Freaking sucks

[@KarazolaX]

@@halo129830 I only get upset when I do things exactly the way they lay it out to be done. Apparently their system was only set up for the app, and they didn't expect anyone to directly order off of the PC ( even though I order like 99% of my grubhub orders off of the PC since it's a pain to type stuff in on a phone)

[@sadpee7710]

i like how their solution to players saying the fight was too long and not fun was to stop the players from playing too long as opposed to nerfing the HP or regen of the bosses. like i get the devs wanted an insurmountable challenge for community to rally towards but like you can compromise with your players just a little at least and make it more fair and fun. that's the lesson i took from it

[@DolanDarker]

They should turn Mr. Chips into a an impossible to beat boss in FF 14

[@ManyKudos]

Nobody would want to fight him because he’s too cute

[@CamTheWarlock]

@@ManyKudosI completely agree. In fact, if I ever fly to New Zealand, lock your doors because I will want to hug Mr. Chips

[@ZeroHero3d]

Your kitty's name is Mr. Chips?! That is precious. He must be protected at all costs.

[@vash_the_stampede6570]

Wasn't expecting to see you my guy

[@wombatkins]

Hildebrand for raid boss. His luck is so good that nothing hurts him so it's just an hour of one person trying to land a hit

[@dvaerggrisene]

Senator Tifa gets my vote.

[@nerone1984]

...and my Axe!

[@davidjhileman5334]

@@nerone1984 And my sword.

[@supergobgoblin424]

And my nepis

[@StrazdasLT]

@@davidjhileman5334 But only as long as you use it outside her borders.

[@im50yearsold]

The scariest thing about these FFXI stories is that people even during that time period were absolute meta lords and minmaxed to hell even by todays standards

[@squallofthedai]

Yep, if you weren't playing the proper class, at the proper level, or using the weapon considered meta for the time (which could change in a few weeks), you could expect to wait hours for a group, if you were lucky.

[@StrazdasLT]

Isnt this just MMO. we would meta the shit out of the small pool of 4 classes in Tibia.

[@cellamuert]

i remember buying ff11 from electronics boutique, and my mom saw the monthly charge and said hell no, stormed into the store and got a gift card refund. to this day i secretly thank her for what she saved me from

[@squallofthedai]

Never got why people still consider it popular, what with the de-leveling, having to group up just to kill normal mobs, and the elitism and toxic environment. Made me glad to jump ship to vanilla WoW at the time.

[@kaivenst]

Love this - I went through all 4 of these controversies. I actually quit Final Fantasy XI when everyone was trying to clear Absolute Virtue. The competition and stress for NMs was at a new level and it wasn't worth it anymore. I got my FFXIV pizza emote though ;) Also Raubahn Ex there were people lined up in NA servers too, but it didn't actually work because you were competing against the other servers in your data center.

[@yoso378]

It kind of sucks that that was the time a good chunk of players left tbh. The expansion immediately after the one that introduced Absolute virtue started to shift the game more towards accessibility and small-group content that I know a lot of people would have enjoyed. It was a pretty crazy design shift since I think it was the first expansion to have been made after WoW.

[@Ikcatcher]

Really want to find out the mindset of Japanese devs when it comes to making completely vague nonsense 18 hour bosses and thinking that would be fun

[@DrawciaGleam02]

THANK YOU! I thought that when I first heard this story!

[@JimMilton-ej6zi]

They probably had the japanese nerds who live in internet cafes in mind for it. Some japanese people are just insane when it comes to their addictions to games, and unfortunately a lot of that nonsense trickles down into normal people who don't even want to do a 30 minute boss fight, let alone an 18 hour one

[@EvilIceCream333]

​@@Milktube The strats seemed cryptic as fuck, and even with the solutions, it still didn't work. - Person that actually watched the fucking video.

[@vtubersubs3803]

Yeah it's much more fun to mindlessly press your flashing buttons and walk out of the circles on the ground. Perfect for people with low IQ and short attention spans

[@StrazdasLT]

They just wanted to go FU players you cant kill this one.

[@ry2950]

Not really a "scandal", but the habit of investing heavily in mobile games then shutting them down entirely instead of trying to find a way to preserve them as a offline experience will never fail to infuriate me.

[@HoneyHeartstrings]

Fun fact about Raubahn Ex, it wasn't limited to him. Once you got past him, 12 hours later, you were directed back to town to speak to the leader. Despite having no fights, this was also a challenge. And after that, you were sent back out to the Fringes again (same zone) for another cutscene followed by a fight, which as you may have guessed, also did not work. It took a full week for all of the players to finally struggle passed all of the bottlenecks. I leveled my main class to 62 from daily roulettes, and leveled all of the rest of my jobs to 60, since any activities for that first week in the new zones were literally unplayable.

[@PervertedNovaxc3]

Man that was such a wild time. I was stonewalled literally like 3 or 4 hours in lol.

[@TarossBlackburn]

Raubahn EX and Pippin Savage.

[@elecrom_9757]

Did you level with Fates? Because afaik Instance Servers also serve the Dungeons and it got so bad during the SB Launch that the whole system collapsed (atleast in EU where I played) and instances and dungeons couldn't even attempted to be entered because the Devs had to disable the system to repair it

[@FirelighttheKing]

It really wasn’t that bad lmao. Might be because I was playing on EU at the time and EU’s population was slightly lower, but I hit raubahn at 4 hours after launch (2am my time), I went to sleep, and I woke up with it patched (around noon), and I didn’t have any other issues. Which is roughly 14-16 hours at most. A full week is definitely hyperbole :P

[@bosinclaire7670]

@@TarossBlackburn The Father, the son and the holy spirit susano

[@Unfortunately_Mickey]

Don’t forget the controversy FFX caused in my grandmas “good Christian home” because I was gay for Yuna and Lulu

[@RedheadJack]

This better get pinned 😂

[@magustrigger9195]

Thats pretty gross

[@adroitone8911]

@@magustrigger9195ya momma

[@soulsmith5935]

"That white magic is OK I guess cause it's healing, but that dark magic.....you're not allowed to use it, it might bring the devil into this house"........????? It's a game not a candle light seance xD

[@magustrigger9195]

@@adroitone8911 hahahaha defending weeb gays. Stop its yuck

[@seaofbees783]

pandemonium is like playing a board game with an older sibling where every time u do something to help you win they immediately jump in and go U CANT DO THAT no matter if it’s perfectly legal in the game or not

[@mrdecacko2809]

FF-7 Remake being announced as a remake, then not being a remake at all. Rofl, now that's a scandal for the ages. I'd love to hear about what went on during its production and why so heavy handed with the tacky censorship. Fan favorites and house hold names don't change on a dime folks.

[@nerdaitami7205]

Honestly I'm glad it's not a remake. I feel the original doesn't need one so better for them to actually make something new instead of trying to make the original irelevant.

[@NrettG]

@@nerdaitami7205 Also to mention that the current direction their taking is really interesting. It's the same as before but everything is just off in a good way.

[@nerdaitami7205]

@@NrettG even if it wasn't I'd still be glad it's not another pointless remake that's meant to replace the original. I Haven't played it yet and don't plan to untill the story concludes but I'm hoping it continues in an interesting direction even if it ends up a bit disappointing to some

[@KrimsonKattYT]

There was no censorship in the FF7 remake? Yes there were redesigns but they made all the characters objectively better, not worse. Tifa with thigh highs and miniskirt is bae, way better than the OG design. The Honeybee Inn was made even MORE sexy than in the OG (significantly more so) so no censorship there either.

[@nerdaitami7205]

@@KrimsonKattYT +Tifa still has massive boobs. The incels complaining about her redesign have never seen a pair of tits in their life

[@mitsudafanni7978]

Stormblood launch was a wild time. The game tried to move you into the Raubahn Ex instance after a cutscene, which if it couldn't, it would error and kick you back to the open world. The quest would reset just before you talked to Raubahn and then restart the cutscene over. Because of this, a specific line from the cutscene became rather memey. "It's like all of my namedays came at once!" became a repeated joke in the community for a while after. Also, even if you cleared Raubahn Ex, there was another instanced quest a short time later, although not nearly as remembered as Raubahn's bottleneck caused it to become less of an issue. Thus Pippin Savage isn't quite as remembered. And finally, there was a separate issue with the first trial in the expansion. Trials are 8-man fights that usually have a normal, story mode difficulty, and then at max level (for the expansion), an extreme (Ex) difficulty. Some players reported their game crashing upon completing the fight and exiting the boss's instance. When they attempted to relog into then game, they would be met with the same error, thus being unable to play their character in any fashion. This went on for a few days before being fixed. And what was the cause? As one of the quality of life updates for the game, the game would remember what, if any, non-combat pets and or persistent emotes your character had out or was performing whenever you would logout/login or transition between instanced duties. What happened was, some players would reach the first duty, and while waiting for their queue to pop, would /sit or perform some other, similar, emote somewhere. After clearing the fight and leaving the instance, the game would teleport the player to were the story was supposed to take them, rather than were they were before, which is relatively normal for the game. The problem was this specific location was underwater (normal for narrative reasons), but the game would attempt to put the player back in their initial emote, and since each emote has a different animation for standing/sitting/mounted/underwater, it would attempt to load the underwater version of the emote. There was no underwater /sit, as it was normally disabled, so when the game client attempted to load it, it would error out and crash to desktop. And since it would attempt the same procedure when trying to relog in, the crash would occur every time the player tried logging in. It took a few days to identify the problem, then Square removed that quality of life feature until it could be fixed later.

[@TheSacredCowtipper88]

"I have created a game which requires you sit here for 14 days strait, but we aren't psychos so remember to grab a bottle of water before you start!" -Square enix prob

[@EdenNeedsAYoutubeHandle]

So, fun fact about Raubahn EX: Some of the players who managed to get through the bottleneck and complete the rest of the MSQ were thus able to unlock flying for the zone, and started offering players piggybacks on their multi-seater mounts to get flown to the high-level area of the zone to unlock the aetheryte there. I'd heard of players making MILLIONS of gil off of this service.

[@attaxiaffxi7033]

At least one group was able to kill Absolute Virtue before the level cap raise and after the nerfs (nerfs to successful player strats that is). I believe the group was called BeyondTheLimit (this is the same group that fought Pandemonium Warden for 18 hours).

[@bigheadkittygaming]

It was. I was on the Seraph server and they were the top LS at the time with many original players and many of the first relic weapons. I later played in larger battles with many of them but not on the original PW fight. I remember the day after several members did quit the game though.

[@donnyyasu2764]

Yes, they were. Seraph Server for life. R.I.P.

[@Halt1o1]

BeyondTheLimitation originally thought they fought it so long it just bugged out when they killed it, since it just stopped using two hours. I dont remember if that was before or after the video came out.

[@DrawciaGleam02]

Really? Sweet!

[@e.d.5766]

Can't wait for the next video, "The Many Scandals of the Italian Senate"!

[@YaGirlJuniper]

I think something unmentioned and the cruelest part of the first fight was that SE seemed to wait until they were almost done with it, and then as it looked like they might win, they shut the servers down momentarily to prevent them from defeating it, then switched them back on so that everyone came back defeated, losing XP in the process. Word was that AV was never meant to be defeated at all until there was a public outcry about it, which was what prompted SE to actually start adding those new methods for weakening it.

[@vampragon4386]

The "baldness festival" has to be the absolute funniest thing I've seen a community do in any game ever made

[@trial_with_an_error9687]

Honestly the T.O.P drama was fucking hilarious because it legitimately came in from inside the team LMAO Edit: To add in to it, theres this massive drama between the NA and JP raiding servers where JP players have continously made fun of people on NA for "needing addons" such as parsing tools and stuff. so this coming to light was, for a lot of people that engage in that drama, cathartic.

[@Ashtarte3D]

There could have been so many more stories on just FFXI's idiotic design decisions and the controversies around them. Like the notorious mob training in Crawler's Nest hitting an absurd level for like a solid month. The fucking brick wall that was the original level cap breaks. Or my personal favorite: all of the items that refuse to tell you what they actually do like Dune Boots or items with seemingly no logical purpose like the Spelunker's Helm. Oh, and there is more about AV as there was a few other fun ways we did find to exploit the kill like the Goblin Footprints glitch that my LS SeaShell on Titan used a few times.

[@eliguy2344]

I would like to petition ManyKudos to include Mr. Chips in any future videos, he greatly improved my comprehension of the topic being discussed. It would also stop him from interrupting takes truly a win-win for both viewers and Kudos.

[@NottherealLucifer]

The whole "Stop, you can't use that tactic because we didn't think of and also we're patching it out." is too prevalent in gaming in the modern era. I played Borderlands 3 for a few months after launch and those devs were the worst about that sort of thing. Every single time anyone figured out a build that maximized perk and weapon synergy it would be patched out within a week, not even super exploits or massive glitches, just effective perk and weapon combinations. It was frustrating and made me stop playing the game completely. I stopped planning out my own builds after three or four of them got nerfed into oblivion and just started copying the latest online ones I knew would get patched because there was no point in putting any effort into my builds when they would just be erased. FromSoftware had this issue too until they finally updated Elden Ring so that PvP and PvE stats are separate, something I've been calling for since the original Dark Souls. I remember my favorite weapon in DS3 was the Dark Sword, until it was nerfed, and then it was the Executioner's Sword, until it was nerfed, and then I just made a Pyromancer build to avoid that bullshit. Don't punish your players for doing the math to figure out which weapons and abilities are the best, if it's not a massive exploit just leave it alone. Edit: I forgot to mention the thing that annoyed me most in BL3, it was all the bosses having 30+ second invincibility states to stop players from being able to just melt the boss with top tier weapons the way we had since the first game. The devs cared more about hampering the player than letting the players just have fun.

[@SissypheanCatboy]

I always thought it was stupid when Fromsoft games nerfed things for the sake of their god-awful janky PvP aspect.

[@chrismanuel9768]

​@@SissypheanCatboyYou realize the PvP is like... the biggest draw of the games, right?

[@SissypheanCatboy]

@chrismanuel9768 it absolutely is not lmfao. the main draw is the singleplayer gameplay and story, the pvp is a weird side thing.

[@pauloafonso5808]

​@@chrismanuel9768 there is so much lag its not even funny, i dont think most people enjoy that

[@EddieB-ready]

​@@chrismanuel9768if you think people play souls games from software makes for the pvp, you must be living on a completely different world, my guy. Barely anyone plays the pvp, and most people would play through the game 5-10 times before even thinking about that aspect

[@marsidicus]

I never got my eatpizza emote, but it's okay. They added eatbread and eatapple to the game, I won't starve in-game.

[@ShadowCrescent]

Oh god the modding controversy. That was heat. I am just surprised the GShade controversy didn't make it here. That is a rabbit hole on its own.

[@MrMe917]

is that the guy that pretty much bundled malware in his mod as comeback for something so petty and trivial I can't even remember it?

[@ShadowCrescent]

@@MrMe917 Yea, he did it to own a 16 year old girl who criticized his operation of keeping the code closed source.

[@baricode]

I'm suprised it wasn't here either. My sub ran out in January this year but I remember seeing so many posts in the guild I was in about the GShade malware. Seeing so many people run around like headless chickens just because a dev decided being chronically online wasn't enough for him was a wild experience. 10/10 would watch the GShade raid again

[@donhuea447]

@@ShadowCrescent More specifically, he did it because said 16-year-old made a fork of his program that didn't include all the bloat and forced updates. All the while conveniently ignoring GShade is already a fork of an existing program called ReShade

[@MonoNako]

Honestly most modded XIV controversies go under the radar but besides the more egregious ones, don't deserve to see the light of day anyway lol

[@davids2977]

“Square Enix used Everybody’s Grudge,” or, “Ton of Crystals,” would have fit the whole “ton of bricks.”

[@pinkusdean1178]

The billboard in the background is *chefs kiss* ,ties together the scene perfectly

[@nezrafallon4086]

The XIV community will never live that one down. Even another MMO (PSO2) made a parody of it to advertise their own game

[@trainingwolf]

I rewatch this video every now and then because I just love how you narrate, edit, everything on the video. The first topic on the Pizza emote recently got released worldwide! For a price of 7 dollar tho.. But at least Europeans can get it now :D

[@Evanz111]

Dude I replayed Final Fantasy 15 recently and couldn’t believe how insane it was. It’s a fever dream of a game, I really want to make a video on all the shit people forgot about the bizarre stuff that happens in it. So a video like this makes me really happy to see

[@zoruasnivy]

I played 15 a year or so ago and it's crazy how you can see the exact parts they had to rush to finish the game. Like, you can see the original story they wanted to tell in there and you can also see where they had to cut content. There's whole areas I couldn't help but thinking "was that meant to be a proper boss fight?" or "was this meant to be a proper open world?" due to how they had set it up. That game could easily be a series of videos just on its own.

[@kingbrohamut]

Man, I remember Raubahn EX. I was only able to get past it because the entire Gilgamesh server crashed, freeing up space for the rest of the data center.

[@absolutemadman4229]

Balmung and Gilgamesh both crashed, and that let Aether finally progress (and from what I heard Primal as well). A lesson to learn from this: always throw balmung/greg players under the bus for everyone else's happiness

[@nugsboodlepoo]

As a long time XI player, I always get super excited when XI is brought up. Even though it's only ever about what an absolute nightmare Pandemonium Warden and AV were lol Just farming the items to get a _chance_ at fighting them was awful. Everyone competing and fighting with each other to claim the NMs, camping an NM for hours only to have another player claim it. Ugh... Not fun lol

[@LinkLich]

Sounds like a waste of life imo

[@nugsboodlepoo]

That could be said about a lot of hobbies though. The prerequisites to fight them may have sucked but actually getting to fight them was a huge rush because they had such a legendary status in XI. Big groups of players would come and spectate and cheer you(or the NM) on and everyone would start screaming and cheering on vent when you finally beat them.

[@squallofthedai]

@@LinkLich: Yep

[@SorenKisamora]

its a shame i never got to experience Absolute Virtue in its BS Days. He's still on my Hit List for things to finish during my ff11 days though. I have been in a Pandemonium Warden Kill though! There's a point in the fight when PW 2 Hours, summons ALL the (Current at the time) Avatars, and they all use their Ultimate Abilities at the same time. Even at the 99 cap this wiped our entire Alliance aside from me (A White Mage using Sacrosanctity) and our Paladin since we he was holding Aegis, and switched to Twilight Armor to Zombie Tank him while i helped get everyone back up. Fun times

[@AzureRoxe]

Let's not forget when he begins chain-casting spells thanks to Chainspell.

[@RockR277]

I'm one of those freaks with multiple characters. Got the chocolate thing, was disappointed when I discovered it was one character only. why? Ain't doing more of those, unless its something I already use.

[@DonneDiscordia]

i beat raubahn ex that day. i was one of the lucky ones to get pass him first try. i admittedly felt bad at first, then said "HAHA SMELL YOU LATER LOSERS" to the rest of my guild mates that got stuck. Then i waited a day and a half at the next boss's entrance: Susano; I only realized 2 hours into waiting for a group, no one truly beat RaubahnEX, not even me.

[@Ghost_Of_SAS]

It happened. We've reached the point where we need to explain young people what a FAQ is.

[@NottherealLucifer]

The ironic part is that "FAQ" as a term still shows up all over the fucking internet, they just don't pay enough attention to notice it. Even modern games on PC come with an FAQ file, link, or "README" mention.

[@neverneverland5836]

... I'm pretty sure he defined it as a joke because everyone knows what it means

[@rubyy.7374]

Every site has a FAQ. It’s not some outdated concept. I swear you guys will find the pettiest ways to feel smart. You’re 30. Grow up.

[@Ghost_Of_SAS]

@@rubyy.7374 Now tell us how you really feel lol

[@roonkolos]

​@@Ghost_Of_SAS he isn't wrong tho ♡

[@KevinoftheCosmos]

I'd like to thank you for using the term SQUARE PENIX due to me and my friends calling it this since the merger, oh so many years ago. You absolute legend.

[@AzureRoxe]

When it comes to Raubahn EX, the reason why it happened is because those instanced battles [and dungeons] are technically different servers and systems. They broke, hard. So people could log into the game [cause it was its own system], but could not do anything that involved instances like dungeons, special quests like the Samurai one which had its own instanced location, etc. Also, funny enough, Raubahn EX wasn't the only time it happened in Stormblood, it was just the worse time. An NPC barely a few quests later ALSO had the exact same problem, but since far less people could even reach him, it went under the radar a bit.

[@callumge]

To get the grub hub code, you had to do the grub hub dance and then the Indian delivery guy will do the dance too. After it's finished, he'll write it down for you

[@ReiReiFoxy]

I love how this is supposed to be the final fantasy series, and yet it is ENTIRELY controversies regarding the MMOs. Good old live services are at it again eh?

[@MrWabaki]

thought the same cause the MMO´s are in my opinion the most boring entries in the series. And its not like there are tons of other games that could have some scandals

[@AzureRoxe]

@@MrWabaki You have some very garbage tastes if you think that.

[@SaiyanGamer95]

MMO games are quite good and very popular for a reason. They're not really everyone's cup of tea, but there's certainly a reason why many MMO games (such as WoW and FFXI) are still going strong after well over a decade.

[@cupriferouscatalyst3708]

MMOs are fascinating. 90% of them suck 90% of the time, but everyone who has played just one MMO still want them to succeed and always keep up with MMO news just hoping that one day, that "perfect MMO" will be released, the one game that will be just like that one we grew up with, except without all the things that made us stop playing.

[@Force-Multiplier]

@@MrWabaki I haven't tried XI so idk about that one (it's the only mainline im missing actually) but XIV isn't the worst for me at all I II III V are all extremely weak games VIII isn't all that bad but isn't great either same goes for XII and XIII (although XII had a great world) VI is overhyped since despite having a good story it isn't the best FF at anything and has a worst battle system than anything post FFVII something similar goes for IV (wich is my favorite out of the bits era) although IV is incredibly influential since it introduced ATB with has defined the franchise with dozens FF games using after it so perhaps FFIV is the most influential FF since it also was the first one with a great narrative (wich is the soul of FF for me) XV wasn't even finished probably and the combat system was pretty bad with no difficulty whatsoever and while i don't think XIV is the best it certainly belongs on the higher echelons of FF alongside FFX FFVII FFIX

[@KlaximumSkroeft]

When you said 'butterfingers' I dropped my grinder on the floor and now all my weed is covered in cat hair. I'll get ya back someday, Many Kudos...

[@Theshawnusgames]

😅

[@hokagejason4732]

rip

[@Eamonshort1]

F

[@ellieetra8205]

No idea if anyone already mentioned it but there’s also the incident following the release of Endwalker (which I think was like midpandemic) where queues took HOURS to get into the game at peak times, and players were making afk machine things to stay logged in (at the time the game would kick you out after a certain amount of inactivity time). Those were fun days

[@gravitycat6862]

As much as I love Final Fantasy 14 and the series as a whole, I have come to learn not to underestimate the sheer fervor of the FF14 Player Base

[@Mooinator3000]

One of the worst communities I've ever been part of

[@block4562]

​@Mooinator 3000 it's a mixed bag, in my time there I found it to be one of the best communities, a couple bad apples here or there but ultimately an overwhelmingly positive experience, but I've heard horror stories of bad experiences and have watched some dramas unfold.

[@treesuschrist1782]

​@@Mooinator3000oh boy, first MMO then huh? Don't get me wrong, there's plenty to criticize about the overall 14 community but they have NOTHING on groups like WoW, League of Legends, or dota lol.

[@chevoyingram9589]

@@Mooinator3000 I can tell you don't play many games.

[@SilvarusLupus]

@@Mooinator3000 Still better than WoW's

[@FF-tp7qs]

I bought the Endwalker art book that comes with a minion, and the minion is only usable on one character Also, pizza is a craftable raid food in FF14 Its a level 80 4 star Mastercraft recipe

[@D0cSwiss]

There's another kind of pizza at level 90, Garlean Pizza, which is a 3 star Mastercraft recipe

[@Veladus]

The real horror is that the recipe for pizza uses peppermint. *WUT*

[@frankpavey6568]

I remember fighting the final final boss Yiazmat in Final Fantasy 12, which took a few hours. Fortunately you just set the characters to fight automatically and only need to intervene when your party leader gets killed (because a dialog box appears). I set up FF12 on my TV and had my computer next to it playing back to back episodes of Community while I waited. Good times. Wouldn't do it again. These day long FF14 fights seem excruciating and pointless.

[@xioussquid]

Ugggghhhh.... I never got past him back when I played. My friend left for work, then came back and saw me still at it. I just couldn't keep up with the insta KOs and other BS. I heard that they uncapped the damage above 9999 in the Zodiac Age version, so that probably helped.

[@vorea]

The Grubhub thing wasn't the first time, they had a similar event in China for the black fat Chocobo. People were eating absolutely insane amounts of food and even had a few "savage" guides floating around.

[@greensgreens]

Yeah I remember Raubahn EX. On my server, I waited from 4 am to like 9 am because everyone begged us to form a line that stretched out across the entire fringes. A line! In an MMO! To talk to an NPC! I have tons of screenshots of it too, and of course, the line hardly moved. Eventually everyone just got fed up and ran up to Raubahn and I somehow managed to get in doing that, lol.

[@bloodprince9779]

just to clarify regarding the cheated World's First, beyond being able to zoom out, during the raid their screens got blackened due to the raid mechanic, however due to the fact that they can see their hitboxes, they could see them as pin-pricks of light through the black screen, so they could also position themselves early for mechanics after the blackout ended

[@CodenameRockerika]

Why didn't Square just release the pizza emote to the whole community in a free update and post an image apology on Twitter? That would avoid having to verify all the claims and put the issue squarely on GrubHub. A little unfair to those who did order for it, but I mean, it was just the cost of a meal that you got to eat and now you have your emote.

[@ninja011]

As much as people want to also frame these people as just being spoiled, the point of a class-action is actually got merit since this is clearly something that can be argued to be false advertisement.

[@tomasxfranco]

Japan

[@donhuea447]

That would mean the GrubHub promotion wasn't an afterthought put in to give western players a way to get the emote so nobody would bitch about Japan getting the emote months ago through a promo that wasn't sharted out at the last minute

[@Soggz4]

I've been playing for almost a year now and was genuinely surprised finding out about Rauhban EX, thinking it was a fight, too, worried that one of my favorite characters ended up evil or something and we had to fight him, only to find out later that it was a meme and being relieved afterwards. Also Immortal Flames are the best, Adders and Maelstrom come at me.

[@zandagamt962]

Maelstrom here. Your Immortal Flames headquarters is the best location and I'm very jealous. Also your flag is badass.

[@SuperHexer123]

Ah the TOP controversy, I remember that one playing out in real time and seeing the pitchforks and torches. Funny thing is that in the newest savage teir, the final boss has a mechanic where it makes you and the platform tiny so it looks like you are VERY zoomed out. A lot of streamers made joke about in regards to TOP controversy when they saw it for the first time. Also I was there for the grubhub thing. The campaign happened to fall on a day I was gonna order out, and it started at dinner time so it was pretty convenient. Sadly never got the emote, but its whatever in the end.

[@xomegaweapon1987x]

Absolute virtue wasn't even an 18 hour bossfight it was an unlimited bossfight that was unbeatable without exploits!

[@FlumesIsLife]

I’ve never played any of the FF games, but this video was so well done I felt like I had played them for years. Great job Kudos!

[@MavFair]

I was there for the Raubahn Savage. I stopped trying after three fails and leveled red mage which came out and by the time I got the class leveled to required level of story progression, everything was fixed. XD

[@PkmnTrainerMario619]

One ffxiv "scandel" that pops in my head from time to time, is the one where people were claiming that the second part of Sephirot's theme plagiarizes a Powerman 5000 song and that the band wasn't too happy about that.

[@mikeu9420]

19:09 Cat alert. CAT ALERT. HELLO LITTLE KITTY.

[@absollum]

Absolute Virtue is the reason I never picked up 11. I didn't want to play a game where the devs seemed completely hostile towards players trying to beat a boss they made impossible due to what I assumed was incompetence.

[@TheGerrok]

There were so many hurdles you had to cross before getting to AV that he was barely worth mentioning. Leveling up to max and clearing CoP were hurdles that many players never accomplished.

[@yoso378]

For all its design issues AV wasn't even mandatory for anything. It's like saying you aren't going to play FF7 because of Ruby Weapon.

[@absollum]

I have a problem with the devs getting pissy that the players didn't kill it the way they wanted it to be. The first method was understandable, that was cheating. The second method being patched out seemed really stupid and petty. It being end game optional content doesn't change my opinion. I haven't touched an 14 Ultimate, but outside of cheating/drama, I never heard anything overly negative about them. As for the Ruby Weapon comparison, one is a single player game while the other is an MMO. If I want to suffer against the Ruby Weapon, I'm the only one suffering, not multiple other players as well.

[@Knightswords]

One thing that came to light after the recent Ultimate drama, was that SE themselves test and "beat" Ultimates with inhouse versions of the same mods they and they themselves cannot beat the Ultimates without them.

[@antongunther3977]

Honestly? I kind of like the addon ban in ff14. Its kind of the reason that wow bosses got super sweaty.

[@tetrahedron_in_space]

A fun addition to the third story about Unnamed cheating their Omega Ultimate kill: they had recently placed world-first for clearing the Abyssos Savage raid tier, and it came out after their Omega Ultimate scandal that they ALSO cheated in that race as well, lol

[@AgentAardvark]

I remember that dogshit Grubhub promotion. A lot of my friends who ordered Grubhub didn't get the emote, even though they ordered *before* me. To say nothing of countries like Mexico or European states that weren't even included in the promo. I'm sure a lot of people signed up for Grubhub just for an emote they didn't get, for a promo Square Enix *still* hasn't apologized for fucking up or tried to rectify. I also don't believe for a second that the codes weren't finite or there wasn't a lottery, because if that's the case, why not just give the codes to affected people who provably ordered at that time? And to this day, Square STILL hasn't made it available again, not through another promo or even on the online store. At least I got mine, thankfully.

[@pawkeshup]

Ok so I was playing FFXI during this time, and that article you're quoting deadends, but I think things got conflated. Let me try to give you some of the actual details. First, that wall was called "The Wall of Justice", just as a funny aside. Second, what made AV so hard wasn't just his regen, but those "powerful abilities". See, AV could you any job's 2 hour MULTIPLE TIMES. This included WHM's Benediction skill, which fully heals the party that uses it, or AV and his wyverns. See, another 2-hour was Summon Wyvern, except AV gets three. Plus then there's the "bracelets" mode, which enhances AV's skills and damage. The "spell" dark knights used wasn't a spell, but their two-hour, Blood Weapon, which drains health on hit. You'd cast Haste on them when they had the Kraken Club equipped, and zerg down bosses by popping Blood Weapon to suck the enemy dry. The biggest issue is that these 2-hour abilities were called that because players could only use them once every 2 hours. Meaning that if you didn't manage to lock AV's usage with your 2 hour, that's it. Either another player has to try (if there's a second job out there with it), or you just had to fight through the 2 hour. And trust me, there's worse ones, like RDM's Chainspell, allowing AV to spam spells with no cast time. Or PLD's Invincible. You get the picture. As for Sage Sundi saying it'd take 18 hours, I never recall that being said, but I could be wrong. HOWEVER, I DO recall the first Pandemoium Warden attempt was an 18 hour rotational attempt by a linkshell (FFXI guild system), so I think that's where this conflation has happened. Pande should have been its own entry, really. See, you think a potential 18 hour fight is bad? Oh my sweet summer child, to get to that fight you had to get pop items by doing a number of other notorious monsters. Another wrinkle, the drop on some of these pop items were not 100%. So the entire reason they fought for 18 hours trying for a win in the first place is that that Pande pop set took months to obtain. And that's not even talking about Pande's fight, where it spawns through multiple versions of bosses, and has tons of adds. Really, I can see why that would need its own video, but it actually made AV's pop conditions (also not 100%) far more reasonable looking. Edit: I should say the rotational attempt stuff doesn't refer to players rotating out. There is a limit to the max number of parties/players/people that can link up while fighting a mob in FFXI. So they were using more than that number, and bringing in fresh bodies while those that had died waited out their weakness timers. I think they had 24-30 people, with the max alliance being only three parties of 18 allowed to engage the boss. So, in a way, it's worse because that means those 24-30 people were ALL there 18 hours.

[@pawkeshup]

OH! I hadn't made it to Rauban EX when I made this comment, but there's a great example in FFXI where there was a mandatory quest NPC who could only deal with a single player at a time. So there was a literal queue of players lining up to speak with the NPC to complete the quest.

[@bigheadkittygaming]

Yeha the brainjack ability version and the final form astral flow were nightmares. Another mob I remember at first vtra also being very tough due to the blood aggro from all the adds in the room. Even the sky gods back in around 2004 were tough if players were not optimized. I remember kiting kirin for an hour back in those days. Fun times

[@beowulfbelmont2578]

I need more Mr. Chips in my life.

[@Aegis---]

Funnily enough, participating in the great line of Raubahn was actually an enjoyable experience, you dont get to see many player led events or instances like this in ff14. Its the one thing im jealous of WoW for lol

[@solemnace]

Once you've reached the pinnacle there's no need for modifiers in your name. It is not a weapon. It is *the* weapon.

[@Tman2022]

Just as an FYI to anyone watching this video now, After the video came out Square Enix did recently make the eat pizza emote available on the FF14 online store available for anyone to purchase for $7. So you may now perform your pizza emotes to your heart's content (provided you have $7 to drop on an emote of course).

[@aaronlefebre5060]

Leave it to the MMOs of the franchise to carry some of the biggest controversies of the series. Watching this video is a literal trip down memory lane for me, because I got to live through all of these when they happened (even though some of these are relatively recent). I remember goofing around with an Absolute Virtue pop with a few other endgame linkshells when one of them popped it after Jailer of Love (this was before AV being 100% spawn after JoL kill), just throwing ourselves at it just to see how long someone could last. Nobody on the server at the time had a hope of killing it, and outside of one group that was massively arrogant about themselves and their "skills," nobody bothered to actively try to win, because at the time, there was no legit way to win. Seeing AV was pretty much the game telling you your night in sea was over. Congrats on whatever loot you got, gold star on your kill or whatever, now get out. That sort of thing. When I ran into Raubahn EX, I just took that as my que to turn around, unlock Red Mage and Samurai, and level them until the servers sorted themselves out. By the time I got RDM up to the level of the MSQ in question, the whole situation was figured out and it wasn't an issue anymore. Enough people had gotten through or given up that the way was clear. That meant that Red Mage was my first 80 in Stormblood, and I'm glad I leveled that job. It was super fun and useful! As far as both the GrubHub and World First fiascos, I just kinda sat on the side with my bucket of popcorn and watched the fireworks. I didn't live in an area that GH served at the time of the promo, and I normally just observe WF races (I don't normally do Savage tier raiding often, I do some rarely, but not nearly enough to be able to seriously think about going after Ultimates). Both were interesting shows to watch.

[@infinitiskiriyama]

The pizza emote is now available for anyone to purchase on the game's online store. No, they did not ever solve the issues from the original promotion. So now you gotta pay that extra down payment to have your small little Lalafell that you AFK in Limsa eat pizza.

[@ScawyFF]

I was surprised to see the Eat Pizza emote as the first one in this video. I was probably one of the only few people who didn't have any issues with ordering or receiving my code. However, I do remember quite a few of my friends at the time confused and distraught trying to get ahold of grubhub support for days after. Same for the Butterfinger mount like it was originally only going to be like 5k players to receive the mount but they ended up bumping that number due to how many emails they got asking why they hadn't received their mount code (even though it was stated as a limited thing)

[@AzizidarkReborn]

Mr. Chips needs way more screentime. Maybe put him in the flesh dungeon next time? Great content as always mate.

[@pipz420]

FYI. After changes were made to Absolute Virtue he was still killed weekly between then and level 99. A new strategy of war mnks and the summoners perfect defense was made.

[@NickyG_vz]

One of the biggest scandals that rarely gets brought is the guy playing eve online that got killed in the Bengazhi attack. Maybe it's too dark of a story

[@PsychoEditor]

We remember The Rat

[@cttommy73]

The fact no one sued for the pizza scandal, is on the users at that point.

[@tindekappa9047]

Idk personally when a game releases an update and it's majorly bugged I quit the game and come back the next day. I never spammed accept on a quest for 16 hours.

[@Sianostrakarenrenren]

The Raubauhn thing was bad but it was also not helped by people actively ignoring advice. Realistically it was fixed in two days but instead of exploring the new classes or other content for two flipping days, people continued to spam the queue and made it worse. I never encountered it because I was levelling Red Mage.

[@AzureRoxe]

What new content? Raubahn EX happened AT THE START OF THE EXPANSION, there was no new content to do because you couldn't move forward till you did his quest. You couldn't even get into dungeons because of the same issue nor unlock Samurai. The literal only new content you can do was Red Mage and that's because he had no instanced battle.

[@Aegis---]

the line actually worked when it was done correctly, and you could actually see it get shorter as people got in. but there was just as many people ignoring it and clogging up the instance, the only real solution for this was a mass shaming of those players in shout chat lol

[@Wargulf2838]

Do keep in mind that Absolute virtue was not 18 hours of dull, redundant tank and spank. that's not too hard to do. where it became vicious, it was when it was revealed to be a boss rush culminating in an 18 hours no-hit run with tenth of a second long QTEs. and it's not like "oh yeah. click the 9 key and you're chill for 2 hours". no. YOU click the 9 key. then the next one presses it, then the next one. so-on and so forth, which, if luck isn't on your side, could possibly mean you would have to press it 9 times during the run with a few tenths of a second timeframe. all the while, the boss has OTHER strats than this specific quick-time-event. and of course, assuming NOBODY wiped, NOBODY fucked up their QTEs, NOBODY forgot to shift focus, NOBODY forgot to mitigate meteor, NOBODY allowed the boss to heal, NOBODY had to sleep, NOBODY had to go to work, NOBODY had to eat, NOBODY had even an itch anywhere or any reason at all to get distracted for 18 hours straight, NOBODY miscommunicated at all in the whole 18-hours-long run. and of course, NOBODY left that dreadful encounter after the third wipe at the 3 hours timeframe because of a thrice-damned moron who forgot he was the third to click "9" and not the fourth. definitely the greatest bossfight that ever was.