Final Fantasy VII Remake Spoilercast - Kinda Funny Gamescast Ep. 16

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[@TomTudusHughes]

Been dying for this I got my copy 8 days early so I finished it and none of my mates have so I had nobody to talk it out with, great work guys thanks

[@randomphil8666]

lol they really messed up on the early releases in EU. All over the place, they sent them out early because they were worried about Covid but everything turned out fine.

[@nicovargas2011]

It was pretty tough to watch Jessie die knowing I had 87 potions, 68 Hi-Potions, 60 Mega-Potions and 35 Phoenix Downs in my inventory.

[@cr-nd8qh]

Lol yea really

[@cynicalidealist11]

Technically when characters "die" in gameplay they're actually just falling unconscious. So I think those potions and things are only good for making someone conscious again, but not enough to save someone who is dying or bring someone back after they die.

[@kalzangtopgyal5304]

Jessie was playing "hard mode".

[@waraidako]

There's a scene early on in the game where Cloud tells Tifa _"It's been 5 years, a guy can change."_ and Tifa goes _"Huh?"_ and that's such a great scene. He slipped up. When he went back to Nibelheim 5 years before the events of the game, he hid his identity by wearing his helmet the whole time because he was ashamed of not having made SOLDIER, and Tifa doesn't know that she met him there. I love that scene. From her perspective they haven't met since he left Nibelheim to become a SOLDIER back when they were kids, but because he has assumed Zack's identity, Cloud doesn't recognise that fact. There are so many little details like this scattered throughout the game, and it's just beautiful.

[@Natachiq]

He can't have really "slipped up" though, because at the time he believed it to be true. Slipping up would be like he is hiding the fact that he said something only he knew and that Tifa wasn't suppose to hear.

[@waraidako]

@@Natachiq Maybe it's the wrong choice of words, but he did accidentally reveal something that she wasn't supposed to know. And it's such a small thing that nobody would pick up on had they not played Crisis Core and know the original story. And I just love how these tiny little subtle details are scattered throughout the game. It's the same with going to Mako Reactor 5, and realising that the layout is identical to Reactor 1 despite Cloud claiming that each reactor is different in the Bombing Mission, and that's his excuse for not knowing how to get to Mako storage. He doesn't recognise it himself, but the game is subtly telling you he's full of shit, and acknowledging the events of the prior games.

[@ironmike404]

Isnt that what happened in the original FF7? At the end of the OG FF7 when cloud loses his mind she kinda helps him come to grips with it

[@psnBigNittyGritty]

I got one better..Remember the scene at the Church when Aerith hires Cloud to be her bodyguard? She says something to Reno like..This is my bodyguard and hes a Merc..and Cloud goes huh as if to say how do you know that...and she cleans it up by saying..I CAN TELL BY THE SWORD...I was like..SHES FROM THE FUTURE...HOW DOES SHE KNOW HES A MERC? he

[@lilfuzzballa]

@@psnBigNittyGritty shes not from the future. She is from the same timeline that FF7R takes place in. She was actually being fed information through the lifestream and planet from the Aerith in the original FF7 timeline.

[@xXCoreKidXx376]

They need Maximilian Dood on here, he’ll clear everything up real quick

[@esckay4fun231]

Exactly!

[@masterofmastersmaster2991]

Yes, they have their facts allllllll mixed up smh

[@TacticalMikey]

Max is shilling for this so hard though

[@SM-nc1nb]

@@TacticalMikey simply knowing the direction things are going is not shilling. Max also has criticisms for how things were handled.

[@jessaramos2992]

Master of Masters’ Master I literally just wrote a comment saying how they were a little frustrating to listen to ...it’s exactly as you put it they have so many things and facts mixed up so it was so hard to follow sometimes. I do appreciate a good discussion and nice to see newcomers loving it but I was a little jarred that those who played the original spoiled it for the newcomers and that the newcomers shouldn’t really be participating in a full on FF7 franchise spoiler discussion but to each their own...but yeah pretty frustrating to watch lol

[@marshall6113]

It’s funny how this spoilercast wasn’t really talking about the game itself, it was nerding out about deep cut references, which is fantastic.

[@JorgeM270]

The ending was very meta so it's fitting

[@vanguardduelist]

When Zack sees the explosion at midgar, that’s cloud and the gang defeating fate, and the effects of it rippling throughout the timelines.

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

Yup

[@MrMrTravman]

Yeah that was my take on it. Fate would transcend through time and all potential alternate timelines.

[@bobtallman5209]

That's how I took it too. But I don't necessarily understand what he sees when they first roll up on Midgar and the whispers are cricling it. He commented something about the kind of welcome they were getting which made it seem like he could see the whispers.

[@alecbdavis]

Imran is smiling almost the whole time, says a lot about how much he loves the game

[@alexlawrence6440]

Having been fully spoiled I have also been 300% sold

[@marshall6113]

I totally agree with Tim, once you hit the Shinra building the game just hits a new class. The cinematic when it explains the history of the ancients (planetarium thing) might be one of my favourite in any game ever. The plate dropping also hit on a level it never could’ve in the original.

[@jaycee4160]

That cinematic makes me want a ff7 movie done in that exact style and for it to be handled with extreme love and passion

[@mcantu1389]

The plate dropping hit ground level

[@masterofmastersmaster2991]

I’m sorry but you butchered that recap of Crisis Core. Cloud and Zack are actually taken prisoner after they fight Sephiroth by Hojo who then experiments on Zack and Cloud with Mako and Jenova Cells. This is why Cloud is suddenly such a competent fighter. Hojo was essentially trying to turn them into Sephiroth clones. Then Zack escapes and takes Cloud with him but is gunned down by Shinra troops and Cloud is left a surviving amalgamation of himself, Zack, and Sephiroth. Even that isn’t the whole story but it implies a lot more than the summary that you provided.

[@sumanigans]

It sounded like Imran was about to tell us this version of things, but Tim told us his version which left out the experimentation

[@SooRandomTV]

You don't have to be sorry for that 😂

[@lionfire23]

*Spoiler* If you complete all of Chadley's missions. He let's you know he's a cyborg created by Hojo. He is gathering data to become free.

[@DextrousJOE]

Recently beat the game on PS5, FINALLY can watch this and enjoying the heck out of it. Also Imran and Tim killed it with this spoiler cast!

[@Shirkules]

The explosion Zack sees is just the whispers disappearing from the timeline/universe. I think that shows that its clearly a different timeline. Who knows how that will play out..

[@venomdonut6905]

Blew my mind with one sentence from this podcast. "This isn't called Final Fantasy 7 Remake, it's called Final Fantasy 7 :colon: Remake.

[@kyle4240]

I believe the timeline goes: Nibelheim incident(almost a year after cloud has joined up) Cloud and zack are experimented on for 4 years. One year on the run when zack dies. Less than a month until tifa finds cloud at the train station. Ff7 begins.

[@Phurzt]

I was under the impression that tifa finding cloud at the train station is just a few hours after Zach's death, although my only reason for thinking this is because I dont think cloud goes anywhere or does anything else immediately after Zach's death and he is allready right on the outskirts of midgar

[@RontanamoBae]

in the original isnt cloud a clone of sephiroth and then zack is just a SOLDIER whos memories go to cloud when he dies?

[@Phurzt]

@@RontanamoBae no, cloud is a regular human who was poisoned with mako, and then had Jenova cells injected into him. Zach on the other hand, went through soldier so he had mako injected into him, but it was in a safe environment intended to improve his combat abilities, and then alongside cloud had Jenova cells injected into him.

[@Goldham22]

@@RontanamoBae That's part of the game but it's Sephiroth manipulating cloud.

[@Natachiq]

The "clone" reference wasn't first interpreted correctly, and sure as heck confused the shit out of Cloud. A complete copy of Sephiroth was referring to how complete his blood fused with the Jenova cells, which was really surprising since Sephiroth only achieved this when Jenova cells were injected into him at the embryo stage. They've essentially become blood brothers is where I'm getting at, or literally blood relatives. Soldiers with imperfect blood transfusions eventually die due to degenerative traits, but this trait doesn't exist in Sephiroth nor does it in Cloud. Where your mind takes that info is up to your imagination, especially with Zack potentially in the mix.

[@jsmute]

Cloud gets Mako poisoning from being experimented on by HoJo!!! Not from the reactor

[@PomuLeafEveryday]

I thought all Hojo was responsible for was injecting the Jenova cells.

[@LitoLarj]

ern And keeping Zack and cloud into separate vats of Mako liquid energy. He’s responsible for both

[@StarlightDragon]

Additionally, the fact that he and zack were injected with jenova cells, is why cloud's mind gets all fucked up and allows him to remember zack's memories. It's also what allows sephiroth to communicate to cloud in his mind throughout the game. The trauma and his weakened state, due to mako poisoning, breaks down his psyche. The jenova cells allow them to share memories. The combination of it all is what creates cloud's particular mental disorder, him being a "sephiroth clone" and all.

[@HomeDefender30]

Yeah he was experimented on for 4 years

[@mercwithayoutube]

Remake Sephiroth is the one from Advent Children , thus having the one black wing. He didn’t have that in the OG game. Hes somehow combined with time . Also the Three Whispers you fight at the end of the game are Kadaj , Loz and Yazoo from The future

[@taterboob]

My interpretation is that this is the Sephiroth from Advent Children that still exists in the Lifestream, and is somehow using his power to go back through time using the hooded Reunion guys as his proxy, because of their Jenova cells. Kind of X-Men Days of Future Past-ish.

[@Lakross101]

That's pretty much what's going on!

[@richardw63]

OK SO WHATS UP WITH THE HOODED GUYS? (I never played the original and i’m confused is sephiroth actually ever there or are they all visions using the hooded fuckers

[@jasonoconnor9377]

In the original FF7, Sephiroth mentions how he`s absorbed the knowledge of the past through the lifestream. My opinion, it`s not that he time traveled but has absorbed the knowledge of the future as well as the past through the lifestream. Now he knows his original plan is doomed to fail so is taking matters into his own hands. Putting the planet in full pannick mode bringing in the whispers to try to fix things. Aerith communes with the planet so she might have knowledge of the future too.

[@MRayGames]

Honestly the one story beat i want them to carry over into the following installments is Aeriths death. Its a huge moment and impacts so much of how the rest of the story pans out. Plus i got her scene in the garden in my playthrough and when she tells cloud to promise he wont fall in love with her it killed me. From a narrative stand point, her surviving would make all of that fall flat I love her character moreso in this than the original but it just has to happen again. Diverging timelines or not that has to be the one constant

[@ThePeteralonzo83]

Dude, that fucking scene between cloud and aerith was so good, almost made me ship cloud and aerith. But I think they are trying to give false hope to old players that Aerith will survive in the Remake as a way to bring up suspense

[@MRayGames]

@@ThePeteralonzo83 the whole game is surprisingly well written, that scene in particular was great. Im all up for false hope, i just dont want them to diverge from that in the end haha. Its too big a moment, and for good reason. Arent many games that kill off a playable character...

[@MRayGames]

@Fantasy Raider im not convinced that's what's going on here at all. Time will tell but this to me tells us that theyre no longer beholden to the narrative constraints of the original. Remember, the game just gets more and more ridiculous from here on with dolphin jumping and the like. This could just mean they can take a different path to get to the endgame. I wondered whether theyd shift to tifa aswell....but it wouldn't work. It would suck but its not the same. We're not being set up for her death at all it would just be shock for shocks sake and have no repercussion. Aerith dies to use the holy materia to protect the planet, the team has no idea why she sacrificed herself and thats what propels the story for the rest of the game. Beats will change along the way but i cant see any way around that particular thing. Like i said, that HAS to be the one constant. As for the parallel timeline stuff i reckon we're just gonna be playing beats from zacks timeline here and there and we won't see any kind of crossover until the very end. The whole plot device was just them being meta and warning us now that things are going to be different and i can understand why. Just have to be hopeful that the changes work

[@zeiters2055]

But how would her death have any impact if there are alternate dimensions merging where different characters are still alive? You can have one “version” of Aerith die, but have another still kicking and still around for the player. This is why Nomura uses these convolutions. Its harder to make a dramatic moment hit home than it is to break the logos and tell a meta story.

[@ThePeteralonzo83]

@UCBc6vc14mdZH9cAhT6Etm0w Yea, the death of Zack kickstarted the game and is very crucial to Cloud's character development and so was Aerith's death as well. I'm gonna be cautiously optimistic because I really did enjoy the game because the combat system was exceptional, character dialogue/extra development for side characters was superb, and the soundtrack was awesome (especially the airbuster boss theme). Even if the ending was questionable, I'm looking forward to what they do in the future.

[@LonestarGA]

Think the thing that does it for me the most, is when after the plate falls, and the rest of the game (while you're still on "the floor"), there's the constant reminder in the sky, and it's not just you who notices it, but alot of the NPC dialogue is talking about it. This game brought back the fact that this event of the plate falling, is completely fucked up (while in the original game it's kind of left behind not too long afterwards).

[@julianprofas]

So...the 'watchmen of fate' are basically FF7R haters trying to preserve the old game

[@andrewdias2690]

Exactly. It was Square's way of flipping the bird to the fans who requested the remake.

[@fy4b230]

I heard about the “controversial” ending before I finished the game last night. I didn’t hear what happened, so I wasn’t spoiled, just that the nerd rage was strong. Lol. Quotes like “you aren’t a fan of FF7 if you in anyway enjoyed the ending of the remake”. With quotes like that I was dreading it, being a 1997 day 1 player/fan. The way it was building, I thought I was about to kill Sephrihoth and clutching for some pain. That was the only thing that came to my mind while playing that could explain the quotes I was seeing. However, nope that didn’t happen. The last fights were epic, the set pieces were epic, the music was epic...and although the ending was jarring and confusing, I want the next game now and I’m pumped. It’s cautious excitement because of the director. It’s either going to be a train wreck or another masterpiece. Really no in between when you mess with alternate universe bullshit tropes. Rarely done well, but I have cautious optimism because tbh, there have only been 3 games that hit me this hard since the original in 1997. That’s a feat.

[@Natachiq]

Yea, I don't really get all the negativity. But I've read enough to know not all "fans" are on the same page when It comes to events that transpired in the original. I dare you ask any to give you a coherent explanation as to why Aerith has to stay dead, other than to keep they same selfish impact that I'm sure most had with Remake Jessie(though not as big, but you really can't compare since you'd have been a lot younger to handle or take in such a lost). I remember Aerith dying, I remember having it hurt more when I realized she died in vain, I remember wanting to fix that lost, I also remember the original teased at the opportunity, and I remember It was all futile, the epitome of emo culture. In the end though I'll take come what may.

[@bigbro890]

You should be worried, cause the remake was 95% of greatness cause it stuck to the script 95% of times. The moment the new stuff kicked in, it felt like some weird recent Final Fantasy titles that nobody cares about. I don't know who asked for this stupid Terminator levels of messing with the timeline. Certainly not FFVII fans.

[@sidchaini]

What were those 3 games btw?

[@fy4b230]

@@sidchaini Dark Souls for sense of dread and hope, although the story was basic. Bloodbourne for the horror and everything dark souls had but more and by more I mean the story and world. Then we have 3 games which story just moved me…all tied. Last of Us, God of War 2018, Nier Automata. Close runner up is The Witcher series. FF7 will always be the pinnacle for me for a game. Mostly nostalgia because it is the first game that made me want a story from a game.

[@sidchaini]

@@fy4b230 Ah, I see; thanks for letting me know. I just played FF7 (Remake) for the first time and beat it yesterday - I had so much fun! Can't wait for FF7 Rebirth.

[@stephenschreck1564]

My theory on the whole “You have seven seconds to breath.” If you go back and watch the end of the original. When Cloud is traveling through the worm hole to have the final battle with Sephiroth, the time from when he opens his eyes to the start of the battle is Seven Seconds. Cloud the remakes all be taking place in a flashback. And no matter where the timeline goes from here or how many time lines there are they always end up back at the same point. In one final showdown in the same place.

[@come_on_munster]

I like that theory. Another theory is that the time in the original from Sephiroth appearing above Aerith to when he kills her is 7 seconds... 😲

[@DarthMagusMT]

He says 7 seconds until the end, time enough for you perhaps, but what will you do with it?

[@stottzy]

Just finished the game 9 months later, I finally get to watch this spoilercast and man do I love it! It happens to also be my first Final Fantasy game and I'm blown away and want to go play other FF games

[@adamdominguez656]

There are so many layers to this narrative. Sephiroth and Aerith know their own OG fates throughout this entire game.

[@MelaniWanda]

I'm not a purist in any way so I really liked the ending and I'm basically on the same page as you are. If executed correctly, as with anything in life, whatever comes after this can be really good. I like the meta aspect of the game a lot and while many will disagree I appreciate that they are not playing it safe by replicating everything one by one. However it also means that there is a great margin for the story to go sideways so we can't truly know whether the changes are good or bad for certain until the second part comes out. At least it is an an ending that will keep the people talking, for better or worse.

[@zeiters2055]

Using a meta plot device like the whispers doesn't "allow them" to take creative license. It is itself a creative choice. This is a cop out Nomura uses to avoid taking responsibility for telling a normal story. That way he can make everything about belt buckles. It is also a way to avoid the technical undertaking of truly adapting a PSone Final Fantasy with modern technology. Rendering a world map, and multiple towns are the things that have given Square Enix trouble updating the series ever since Final Fantasy X. With this "meta story telling" they are creating a rationalization for more linear hallway level designs, and not creating a true interconnected world. "Oh sorry we don't have a world map, because the ke3pERsOfFAte don't want you to go therrrrre"

[@MelaniWanda]

@@zeiters2055 I personally don't see it that way and I will maintain my opinion until footage of the second game is released. Obviously the inclusion of the Whispers was a creative choice and I'm not saying that it allows Nomura or whoever creative license, but that they were inserted into the story for a purpose that you can agree or disagree with, and for me, key word being here me, it works. I like the idea that the game itself is acknowledging in its narrative that it is a product of something preexisting, that the original game is this momentous, legendary succession of events that must be followed yet somehow things start to go off track and are not happening as they should, and some characters, including the main antagonist, become or are becoming aware of this and try to obtain a different outcome. I also like that this could mean they will be fixing segments of the lore that were introduced with the Compilation that were done horribly or adding content from the original game that we didn't get back in the day, like more about the Cetras and The Promised Land. As I said, I won't have a problem with any of this as long as they do it right. Of course this is just my opinion and the executions of these ideas will depend on whatever they decide to do for future entrys, so there is still a high chance that it will all go to shit but there is no way to know yet. Not even whether the next games will be linear or not, especially since they have the hits and misses of FFXV's open world as a framework on what they should/shouldn't do. There is a precedent, open world has been attempted before, despite how uninspired it was. As of now I thoroughly enjoyed this first part of this project, it's not perfect, it has pacing issues, textures don't load sometimes, the sidequests could have been a billion times better and most of them are irrelevant, Roche is kind of hit and miss, and the penultimate boss was too KH for my taste, but the good things far outweigh the bad, even the linearity I don't mind thanks to great art design, character interactions and the excellent battle system. The linearity could even be an aspect that might not be as unintentional (unintentional as in done to be as cheap as possible) as it seems; Writing on Games saw a meaning to the structure of Midgar that is very in tune with the setting and what Shinra represents for this world that I hadn't even noticed, while giving his fair share of criticisms. It doesn't have to work for everyone and I understand why many are dissappointed or upset. You are entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. Our expectations on this remake were just different, and even so the original FFVII has not dissappeared or been set aside. You'll always have that experience, no matter how awful this one was for you.

[@zeiters2055]

@@MelaniWanda This " I'm not saying that it allows Nomura or whoever creative license," is contradicted by this: "but that they were inserted into the story for a purpose that you can agree or disagree with" They were not inserted into the story for the purpose of "changing the timeline." If Nomura wanted to change some of the events, he would have simply changed them. But Nomura puts devices like "Whisperers" in video games because he prefers these coiled up convolutions as a form of storytelling. If he wanted to change the events of FFVII, he would just change them. There are many ways you could change FFVII to improve it. But that was not the intent nor the substance of what Nomura did.

[@MelaniWanda]

@@zeiters2055 The concept itself doesn't allow them to do anything, it's not a permission pass, they wanted the story to go a certain way and so they did. Everything that was added can be labeled as such. It's not contradictory at all. Nomura likes his convoluted bullshit, true, but this seems to be an actually functional and refined version of it. Is the existence of Fate such an alien notion to be included in the world of Final Fantasy VII? For a story with Chosen Ones and a great evil that must be defeated and a sort of sentient Lifestream from which a dead girl can stop a Meteor from destroying the world? I don't think so. In the end, the Whispers are just the will of the planet making sure that destiny takes its rightful course. It's not complicated to grasp and for all the drama surrounding the ending all it could mean is that key moments may change or not but the rest will probably either be kept intact, expanded or other stuff will be added. That's it. This can allow for simoultaneous juxtaposition between events of the original and remake events within the same narrative. The constant feedback going back and forth with what the characters should be doing, what they do, what they don't, what we retroactively know and all of that being acknowledged by the game-call me crazy but that is interesting and worth exploring imo. Sure, Nomura could have not included The Whispers and just changed things, but I do not dislike this angle. Nothing would be overwritten that way and it wouldn't have to be the Ultimate Final Fantasy 7 experience, for that you'll still have the classic game. The question here is what are the consequences of going against what we, the players, know so well? Can it be done? It is a story that could also include the perspective Sephiroth's capability of agency too, in putting the thought out there of whether he can escape his end. Is it convoluted? Yeah. But it's not the KH kind of convoluted where simple things are made complicated for the sake of being edgy and trying to be deep. As the crew said in the review it feels more like what the creators of Evangelion are doing with the movies and what Kojima did back in the day with MGS2. Is that necessarily a bad thing? It doesn't have to be, at least not to me. Also, it may not be the fixing of a timeline we're dealing with but rather alternate dimensions. Either way, we're both basing our opinions on speculation since we can't know what the intent of Nomura or the devs were and what are the plans for the future at this point so we'll just have to wait and see. Or just agree to disagree.

[@JuicyJayAnderson]

@@zeiters2055 I don't see how they could have made an open-world design with only the Midgar section. Reactors get blown up, plates come crashing down on whole sectors... Many sections of the game would have been blocked off anyways and it doesn't make any sense narratively to go back to these places... They don't even do that in the original. As for the next part, whenever that is, the party is still going to be on the hunt for Sephiroth and probably still go to all the same places you know and love from the original game. Don't get me wrong, I would love for them to go with a more "open-instance approach" like FFXII where you can ride chocobos to travel faster between zones for the next part.

[@TheSasuke73]

Didn't even dive deep into the waifus 0/10

[@user-gu1sl1mn2m]

Everyone should know that the whisperers were originally going to be implemented in the originals story but obviously got cut. I’m sure you can find a video on yt or wiki to read about it

[@williammasse4439]

J Grigs a lomg time ago. I have read that the original developement team had to cut short the original story but had all kinds of plan like reviving Aerith! But they kind of screw ot when making Advent children I guess

[@itsdantaylor]

17:34 As a Clerith stan I feel like I have to state that, in both the game and in other materials, YES Aerith is first drawn to cloud because he reminds her of zack but then later, as evidenced by the Gold Saucer date, she seems more interested in finding how he is different from Zack, because she wants to meet HIM (IE Cloud) and then later in the lifestream she explains to Zack that between the two of them, she likes Cloud more.

[@shenmuemasta]

Kinda refreshing to hear a positive conversation about the ending. I'm still in somwhere in between, but I'm now looking forward to the next games a bit more.

[@The13thHour]

Y'all are great, I absolutely love this video. I think what the 7 seconds comment by Sephiroth is about that's how long it takes to kill Aerith. From when she's praying, to the point he impales her with his sword. Only seven seconds.

[@Natachiq]

I think its silly picturing Cloud, with his Naruto Ninja like reflexes, stand there in front of Aerith, looks up at a falling Sephiroth about to skewer what could possibly be the love of his life and/or dear friend and do nothing about it. I want this turned into a comic or animated so I can get a good laugh out of it. I hope people don't defend this shit and say he's gonna get cuckold into letting it happen or have a choice so he can jerk to it later(I apologize for my grotesque use of euphemism to express how anyone would find any kind of relief from this decision later). The scene may have taken 7 seconds for dramatic flair, but I only have one world. Really?

[@PANCHO15108]

@@Natachiq are you complaining about the original death scene? I think it's because of the slow animation limitations on the ps1. I'm sure it will be handled alot better in the sequel.

[@adammcguire8936]

I’m caught in between. I’m on team this is awesome but also worried about what it means for the next chapter.

[@berto_]

Me too!

[@joejackson7140]

Sooo. Can we talk about Jessie’s gloves on Biggs night stand at the end shot of him.

[@84jesterx]

that's the sane response actually. We all should be excited but extremely cautious because of Nomura. He's like a Quentin Tarantino of video games. He can just stay calm and consistent. He has to have his go apeshit unexpectantly moment.

[@RRRRRRRRR33]

I honestly think the "check the track record" mentality should be taken more in consideration, it needs to become the narrative of this remake. It's simple to do a quick search and read the background of Nomura, Nojima and Motomu. When you have knowledge about their godawful track record, it gets easier to understand why crap like "edge of reality" and "whispers" were inserted into the plot. Also, the childish mistake of making Cloud and his anime gang to defeat a godlike being at the end of the game. If they can kill a god already, even before leaving the first town, where's the character development? What's next, they will face a bigger and stronger god? So, there's no logical reason to give it any benefit of the doubt.

[@RRRRRRRRR33]

@@84jesterx It's kinda offensive to compare Nomura with Tarantino, c'mon mate lol Tarantino have a good track record. If the comparison is about their insanity, ok, but at least Tarantino knows how to use his insanity in positive and creative ways. Nomura is the complete opposite.

[@bugaboojones9360]

I think this Sephoroth is the original one, somehow time traveled, or traveled to a parallel universe in order to stop his defeat, and got cloud in the gang to defeat fate giving him another shot. They now don't have to follow the original FF7 timeline and the story from this point on will be similar but very different

[@hackingtuturugate5557]

"I don't think Aerith is gonna die." You can't think like that, because that is just gonna make it worse when she does die again.

[@Patface77]

Just played the beginning over again and I saw Kyrie on the train after the reactor mission. I love the little things that this game throws at you

[@puffman06]

She's in the sector 7 slums too. Right after you meet Tifa.

[@Icepick614]

Haven't beat it yet just wanted to pop in and say them keeping the stairs segment at Shinra headquarters is one of my favorite things of the year. Keep being you Square

[@LightShooters]

The whole "seven seconds to defy fate" thing that sephiroth tells cloud is probably referring to Aerith's death and how cloud will only have seven seconds to save her.

[@zombiespaz1]

Tap x as quick as you can 😂 imagine

[@JosephHandibode]

Obviously half comments are from people who didnt play game. Nomera is director and designer. He is not writer. Writer is the same writer as original.

[@anilpatel5877]

Am I the only one who didn’t know Aerith dies? And I call myself a gamer...

[@JosephHandibode]

The 7 second qoute from Sephiroth refers to 7 seconds it took to kill Aerith i believe.

[@sprite0nation]

No. 7 seconds until the world ends. Says so in the chapter description.

[@WindowtotheSoul]

a like for the dedication of finishing the game and playing until 8am so you could record this - kupo!

[@LowSkillPlays]

an important thing missed in the details of the original FF7 is that Cloud has Jenova cells in him and thats why Sephiroth/Jenova take control of his body from time to time.

[@RRRRRRRRR33]

Which is one of many plot inconsistencies. Sephiroth have dozens of "clones" just like Cloud. The plot forces a dramatic approach to it, Cloud gave him the black materia and etc... but any of the other clones could have done the same. So, the whole edgelord love festival between Sephiroth and Cloud is really forced, they have this "connection" because the plot said so.

[@LowSkillPlays]

@@RRRRRRRRR33 it's not forced. Cloud was the one that "killed" Sephiroth. The reason Cloud was there is because the mission was to his hometown. Afterwards he and Zack were taken and experimented on. Zack already had a stronger constitution because of his Mako exposure in SOLDIER. Cloud came down with Mako poisoning during this and was injected with JENOVA cells, but he was rescued by Zack so you imagine the experimentation wasn't complete. Cloud was a vegetable for most of the time he and Zack were together. Then Zack was murdered and Cloud snapped, basically PTSDing Zack out of existence. Cloud hears Sephiroth is still alive later and of course he still wants to finish the job, not to mention the JENOVA cells in him wanting to complete the Reunion. There's lots of reasons you could theorize that the hold on Cloud isn't as strong as it is for other Sephiroth "clones." But it's not like him being the guy is completely coincidental.

[@RRRRRRRRR33]

@@LowSkillPlays "Reunion" is such a played out word in this franchise, lol it will be no surprise at all if Nomura names the next "episode" as FF7: Reunion. Saying that, all this over complication to justify the edgelord protagonist lol My point is: the black materia, who is the pivotal moment (the, guess what, """"Reunion""") could be delivered by any of the Sephiroth's clones. The writers already used them to fake out sephiroth in the shinra tower, so you can't simply disregard this plot element as the story goes on. Nomura used the same gimmick to justify an entire movie for example. You can use these clones as much as you want, they can fall from the sky, they can come from Nomura's asshole, etc... but for this very specific moment that you need to justify your protagonist, they use Cloud instead. This is just too convenient, cheap and feeble storytelling. Also, let's disregard how Jenova is a blatant copy of The Thing? This is what happens when the japanese take a concept and apply their own madness into it. Sometimes it works, but most of the time the result is a mess. I was expecting the remake to rewrite Jenova, use the same ideas but with a better execution... but no, let's add time-travel instead lol

[@ScorpionEagleLucaen]

It's exactly seven seconds between when Sephiroth shows up on screen and when his masamune pierces Aerith's body. Seems SE may be going to give us a choice on what happens there in upcoming episodes

[@zombiespaz1]

I can honestly see that scene being so amazing Cinematic ally. Cloud rushing to save her but somehow fate still not allowing it or somehow she still dies just an alternative way who knows but certainly going to be epic

[@ScorpionEagleLucaen]

Definitely epic. I don't want them to change the major points of the story, but if the player is given the choice that's awesome really. I also like the idea of them knowing what's going to happen but realizing fate had it right the first time and the best outcome is to let it happen as it should. But it's Nomura and I really don't think he can think that far ahead sadly

[@masterofmastersmaster2991]

After you beat the game. If you go to the Chapter 18 synopsis it tells you the 7 seconds refers to the time until Meteor but Earth (Gaia).

[@ScorpionEagleLucaen]

@@masterofmastersmaster2991 I've seen this text and I don't think it debunks the 7 seconds referring to Aerith's death at all. The text is ambiguous at best allowing for many different interpretations. Plus, the theme from the Forgotten Capital/City of the Ancients (where Aerith dies) is playing in the background when Sephiroth says this to Cloud in the remake. It's very obvious what 7 seconds he's referring to

[@bobtallman5209]

Rolled credits about 2 hours ago, and immediately, finally, watched this. Imran is the MVP dropping knowledge left and right. Wish Greg and Tim revealed what happened in the Aerith cutscene at the end of chapter 14 because it's very illuminating. And no one brought up that Biggs is alive at the end! We're in for a whole new ride and I'm here for it. Also, read something that said the Aerith death scene is 7 seconds. Can't confirm but if that's what Sephiroth is warning/telling Cloud and we've got the chance to save her in part 2, I'm going to lose my shit with happiness.

[@marconeves1979]

AMAZING Spoilercast! Thank you!!! Now: FF7 Remake is brilliant (for me). And I played the original multiple times (huge fan here). My theory is: Sephiroth has manipulated us through all of FF7 Remake to achieve a goal we do not fully understand yet. He is a manifestation (from inside the lifestream) of the original Sephiroth's consciousness who lost in the original and lost again in Advent Children. The lifestream is endless and timeless (it does not abide by the rules of time and space), so it can cross timelines and parallel universes (as can Sephiroth). Everything we did in the remake, we did so unwittingly to allow Sephiroth to do what he wants. But now, no one knows what could happen, not even him. The possibilities are endless. This saga is all about him (and Jenova), and has always been that way. And it's a goddamm masterpeice.

[@elliottharris7496]

Somehow Andy's adult life is my college life. Can't tell which emotion is stronger in me realizing that: respect or fear.

[@xSentientbeingx]

Life long Final Fantasy fan since like 88. And this game blew my already high expectations away. The ending was batshit crazy (not in a FF13-3 kinda way) and I am excited to see where they take this.

[@mcantu1389]

I completely thought Aerith was going to die at the end of this game but by the time I got to the end game, I was wondering if the visions showed Cloud that Aerith was going to die and that they were now going to try and change that destiny.

[@vincevirtua]

Having played through the game I'm shocked how fast some people did it, assuming it was really done on normal. I died A LOT. I must really suck. Nobody talks about how chapter 17 goes on and on and on, boss after boss after boss.

[@lilybeejones]

Chapter 17 did go on really long, but I enjoyed that section. It felt very anime to be trapped in a lab and have to try and escape. The only thing I didn't like was swapping my materia every time I switched teams. I didn't have enough materia to make all 4 characters have the layout I wanted.

[@CliffordthebigredCat]

Never played the original game, but this remake is one of the best games I've ever played. The story, the characters, the gameplay, all so stellar. I'm playing through the original on PS4 after I platinum this. R.I.P. Jessie

[@shawn1295]

In terms of Zack seeing the white explosion and the timeline not quite working, the whispers are the will of the planet and transcend time. The reason everyone sees the white explosion/particles is because the main gang has just altered fate and this has an effect on every timeline, at any particular moment. So in the scene with Zack surviving, the white particles near Midgar does not represent the battle we just had but more that fate has changed, even in that timeline. Zack was supposed to die, but he survived. Easy allies and Maximillian Dood have a great spoiler talk too by the way, check it out.

[@brandonp6880]

Also this is something most people haven’t realized but, the seven seconds till the end line from the end of the game refers to how cloud had seven seconds to save Aerith, but he failed to do so. After all why does the city of the ancients theme play in that scene between cloud and sephiroth? Seven seconds is all it took to have Aerith finish praying for holy and in those seven seconds she was killed by the one man who sore to destroy the planet. And people need to understand this. In part II which I believe will go up from the Nibelheim flash back and end at the reunion with cloud awakening sephiroth and the weapons. In part II square enix will for sure include all the core scenes we remember such as Rufus parade, Barrets relationship with Dyne, the gold saucer, rocket town, Cosmo canyon and many more. Otherwise if you don’t include those it’s no longer Final Fantasy VII. And keep in mind square likes to mess with peoples nostalgia and get them excited to see their favorite scenes so if part II doesn’t include any of these scenes from leaving midgar than how would square enix market the game? In the trailers we’ll get hyped seeing the temple of the ancients, Cosmo canyon and the reunion. But if square gets rid of all of these elements than how would they market this game into peoples nostalgia? So I do believe part II will be a faithful retelling however I’m almost positive the reunion will be a lot more meta with all of this stuff going on with defining destiny. And because of this I believe that the only destiny that will be defined is sephiroths. He will be permanently defeated and gone from the life stream. So people I wouldn’t worry as much for part II since why else would square make this game into parts? They said remaking final fantasy VII would take too long and that if they made it one game so much content would be cut, it the original team behind this project and Kitase knows this game better than anyone so I’m sure as producer he will be watching over this project carefully to make sure that it will live up to out expectations. Sure you can’t please everyone but if you can reimagine all of the key events with the quality of remake part I than they’ve done it.

[@drewstar8611]

Brandon P well said!!

[@brandonp6880]

Andrew Burrows Thanks! I think a lot of us need to consider all of these ideas and understand everything from a logical perspective.

[@stemc1000]

If you go to the story page on chapter 18 in game, it explains that sephiroth shows cloud a vision of 7 seconds before the planet's end. I did subscribe to the aerith theory up until the game itself blew that out of the water.

[@mecharobots]

@@stemc1000 so is he saying you have 7 seconds to decide if you want to join him or die with everyone one or join him and or be the only survivor on the planet as he says something like he wants both of them to live through it

[@stemc1000]

@@mecharobots I guess so, or cloud has 7 seconds to change the fate of the planet? Shrug - who knows at this point. Cannot wait for part 2!

[@maddoggnick96]

I kept calling the whispers the “ghosts of canon.”

[@macknstyle]

I kept calling them garbage bags

[@sergioscouchtime3737]

I called them plot armor

[@kevingallagher717]

I finally get to know what it feels like when a show or movie diverts from the books. Overall love the game but I’m definitely 50/50 on the ending.

[@user-du9rk1gy3s]

The thing with Zack is, we honestly don’t know if he is alive or dies and it has been set up that way. Remember, these devs lead us to believe this was a remake when in reality it wasn’t, it was a REMAKE of the original events. Which SEPHIROTH was orchestrating to change his fate. But he needed cloud to beat fate for him. So, with that in mind, I don’t think Zack being seen with cloud at the end crossing paths is direct reference to a different reality/time line (which is why the times do not end up), but some sort of memory, or presence felt by Aerith (as she is is heavily connected to the planet) before Zacks’s demise. I’m CC she feels Zack’s passing. This is the same Aerith. Being on that spot (where Zack meets his demise in the CC) brought back those exact feelings. But, it’s done in such away to keep us guessing. This what I think any way. Time will tell. I believe Zack will die, is dead.

[@mikerada2773]

If you read the asses info on the 3 whispers you fight at the end, they say that all 3 are from a future timeline and are here to protect that timeline. Each is described as fighting with either a Sword, Guns or Barehanded to fight to protect their timeline. Could they be Cloud, Barret and Tifa from the future turned into whispers? Granted it is a bit of a stretch that they in ways parallel 3 of the main characters.

[@zombiespaz1]

I honestly see them in the last part realising that destiny has to stay the same, and they go back in time

[@mikerada2773]

@@zombiespaz1 I was thinking that as well. Although I am excited to see what they are going to do and not knowing what will happen, I would love to see it all play out as having the same result as the original and have a different but similar course or having to correct the shit they just fucked up.

[@ace4321000]

The whisper were surrounding Midgard to show zack will never go there, so when they explode that mean fate has change and anything can happen

[@TylerNessss]

This was awesome guys, great talk. Cant wait for the trailer of part 2

[@tchallaw3st]

“There is a real tear on my face, those fuckers got me” -Tim Gettys 😂

[@justpz22]

man hearing these dudes talk about the ending just makes me want the next game RIGHT EFFIN' NOW!! LOL!!! XD

[@hardpunkkore9235]

I know I'm late to the party here but @ 24:00 minutes in you guys are piecing together the Nibelhiem flashback for the ones who never played the OG. The Flashback was 5 years prior to the start of the game. Cloud doesn't remember killing Sephiroth during his retelling of the events but states official record state Sephiroth dies that day. Much later on in the game we find out Cloud's memory was all wrong and the actual events happened differently. He didn't kill Sephiroth but tossed him down into the Mako pool in the reactor and he was never seen again until the Shinra Building events. Anyway, once Cloud find himself with the help of Tifa uncovering the true events. Zangan, Tifa's martial arts teacher got her out of the reactor and took he to Midgar to get her healed of her wounds (Sephiroth slashed her). Hojo showed up and took Cloud and Zack prisoner in the basement lab of the Shinra Mansion. There, Hojo experimented on both Zack and Cloud. Both Zack and Cloud were showered with Mako and injected with Jenova cells. Being that Zack went through the process once before since he was a SOLDIER, he wasn't as affected as Cloud was. They were held in the basement lab for 5 years before they broke out. Cloud was catatonic from his exposure to the Mako. Zack carried him out and hitch hiked all the way to the Midgar outskirts talking about becoming a mercenary. That's where Shrinra show up hunting them. If you check each of the 4 bookcases in the very back of the basement lab, there is text that talk about 2 escapees, it is clearly talking about Cloud and Zack but doesn't mention their names.. Anyway, in the OG Zack dies defending Cloud on the ridge but they leave Cloud because he is still catatonic. After Shinra leaves them for dead, he crawls over to Zack and picks up his sword. Some how Cloud manages to end up at the Sector 7 train station where Tifa finds him and that wakes him up out of his stupor and this is where Cloud assumes Zack's identity as a merc and joins the mission to help destroy the Sector 1 Mako Reactor. all that stuff on the ridge overlooking Midgar happens, days before the start of the game. Now in Remake, Zack is survived but it's a parallel timeline. Does he go on to do everything as Cloud did or not, we have to wait. Will this parallel time line intersect with the main time line? I'm suspecting (as many others are) yes, but only at key and major story plot points, like Aerith's death, and maybe when Cloud give's the black materia to Sephirtoth's body in the Mako crystal at the northern crater, and maybe Cloud and Zach will get to team up to destroy Sephiroth once and for all at the story's end, then the second parallel timeline will seize to exist and Zack will fade away leaving us with the ending of FF7

[@josemanuel_rocha]

Just finished the game and I didnt play the original : This is a great spoilercast to understand the ending! Now I can watch the easyallies spoilercast to understand everything lol

[@SamButler22]

So the guy who fights you on the motorbike in Jessie's chapter, wasn't from Dirge of Cerberus/Crisis Core/Advent Children?

[@loganbigmo]

Nope. Roche is new to Remake.

[@84jesterx]

top left Super Anime Nerd: I'm in for this super wild ride Everybody else:

[@samikhalifa6021]

This was my first Final Fantasy game ever and i love this game..i think! What i will say is that this game had probably the highest peaks of gaming i’ve ever experienced. When i’m shooting off limit breaks, timing my combat well, and using my summons, on some of the best designed bosses, I am left completely blown away HOWEVER the only thing that left me short of calling this an all time masterpiece is the length of game which took me about 35 hours. With the sequel rebirth being over 80 hours and then ultimately a third game, my concern is that there may be some fatigue by the time i’m done

[@Xzilerating]

The 7 seconds refers to how long before the meteor hits. Not sure if there's tonnes of comments on this already...

[@yogibert22]

Just beat Final Fantasy VII remake, and I don’t know how I feel about it

[@lordsephiroth2029]

Easy its fucking amazing until ch 18 then its wtf kingdom hearts is this?

[@cjprice6105]

Its such a b year game and the ending is the devs saying fuck u to everone who wants a real remake and not no kingdom hearts bs the called it remake Cuz they new ff7 2 would not sell

[@ironmike404]

The highs and lows make it a 7 or 8 out of 10 for me.

[@Cellogrammaton]

That's ok buddy. Means you care about it, that's amazing. They did make an awesome game, you can really see the emotional attachment that went on including and creating framework for enemies even as dumb as the hell house or the swordipede. It's a very emotional journey, so if the ending sucks (which in my opinion it does) that still means that there is a team that REALLY loves the game and that will give you something even if they don't agree with the Nomura being Nomura. Just let them speak to you.

[@bigbro890]

I am pretty sure about what I feel about it. It is great, but the next ones I don't care about. I signed up to relive the original story, not to erase it.

[@mecharobots]

I love this spoiler cast but I would love you guys to discuss every big moment in the game like you do for your movies 😁

[@CaptainKurt31]

FF 7 was the first RPG I ever played and the first game I owned on my ps1 so it holds a special place in my heart. That being said when i first heard it would be in parts I was pissed. Having played the game and understanding the direction Square is going, I take everything back I said. This game BLEW MY MIND in every which way. I cried, I laughed, I got scared, I got all the FEELS like I did playing the original. Incredible combat, amazing story telling and fantastic music. My body is READY for more, please attach all future parts straight to MY VEINS!!!!!!

[@crossroads8370]

Dude you don't even know where the story goes after this remake. It could go off on some convoluted mess jumping back and forth from different universes and so on to the point no one really knows whats going on by the end of all the games. Why are you so hyped for something you don't even know where its going with it future installments? If nothing else the ending to this game should worry you about where the next game takes place.

[@gehrigmunguia8215]

Crossroads 83 thats a lame comment that’s like asking why be hyped about any trailer for any piece of media bc u don’t know exactly where the story can go. people are hyped bc they can do a lot of cool stuff with this ofc it could still go badly but why think negatively

[@richardw63]

Just beat FFVII remake (never played the original) really dug it! glad to finally be able to watch this and hope they explain the ending because i was pretty lost not having played the original LOL

[@Mako_SOLDIER]

One thing that I loved for sure is the presence of Wutai and how connected they are into the narrative this time around. I think they're going to be a much bigger deal now in the next game and it builds up Yuffie as a character without even showing her in this game.

[@limppickle4306]

I wonder if at this point they're obligated to make Yuffie and Vincent main characters and not optional

[@Mako_SOLDIER]

I feel that they are absolutely obligated to make them mandatory

[@alexandrebriskieviezsilva1626]

I am one of the fans who was 50/50 about the ending, but you guys made me much more excited about the sequel and whatever it is. Onboard the hypetrain!

[@DavijoBoy]

I think the others should play the Midgar part of the original now that they're invested and stick it up on KZbin!

[@Phurzt]

Real talk, even on a blind playthrough, Midgar section of the original should only take an afternoon or two, totally needs to be done by all people who never played the original.

[@masterofmastersmaster2991]

Duke you can play the game at 3x speed and you can pretty much play with full Health and Limit too with no random encounters. With all that you can beat the Midgar section in 1-3 hours.

[@joels.4681]

Fuck I love this game, including the ending, and I'm someone that has played the OG around 10 times. I would prefer to put these incredible characters in situations I can't predict than see the exact same story beat for beat I've been playing for decades. I'll always have the OG to go back in play, that will never change.

[@MrNinosan]

Regarding Hell House. When/if someone is sucked in. Cast a Thunder and the house spits you out again. Hard mode was absolutely insane first, but when you figure out all the phases, he's very easy.

[@Dantai]

We need more spoiler casts, I really like these!

[@Morgan-ic1qy]

To better explain the story they're wondering about in the video, The people with numbered tattoos are failed Jenova experiments that were experiments to create the ultimate super-soldier, Sephiroth. Further story on that is expanded later in the game, at least in the original. Also, the way I understand it from reading a few articles and forums on the story of the original game, the Sephiroth you see in this game was described to me as "a manifestation of Jenova's will", where Jenova can control her cells. The remake seems to elaborate a little more and clear confusion by showing a scene where Sephiroth turns out to be one of the numbered failed clone experiments, what I would presume again was being manipulated by Jenova. The real body of Sephiroth in the original game is later found in the game being preserved in crystallized Mako in the canyon where the reunion is held and the numbered failed clones gather to. This was due to Cloud fighting and throwing Sephiroth over the edge of the reactor, and Sephiroth being swept away into the lifestream, thought to be dead. The point of the reunion was the awakening of the real Sephiroth. Also, the original Jenova was headless because Sephiroth ripped her head off and carried it with him out of the Shinra building, lol.

[@vSilentangel]

Maan I got spoiled by a random KZbin video already so I went ahead and watched this. Much of what y’all talked about won’t make sense to me until I play through it, currently on chapter 14. All I know is my favorite character in this FF7 compilation Zack is back and that’s all that matters.

[@AwesomeNick94]

But it's not Sephiroth, right? It's weird Shinra made numbered illusion clones that he's hijacking? I guess?

[@edricbruceoliveros4736]

I believe in the writers and the team behind it! Super excited on the next chapter. Do not panic! They maybe introducing some new elements in the story but I think it would still end up the same in the end. What have we learned in every story about defying destiny or changing the past? It always fights back like the butterfly effect or back to the future. I think the writers are toying with us with the unknown stuff. They may change some of the events or order of the events but surely we are going to visit all the places in the planet still. I know they may give us hope that Aerith might live but Im pretty sure she would still end up dead in a more painfull way because they gave us hope in making us believe they would do everything to save her but I believe she will still die in a more painfull way. In the lifestream time does not exist. It is where Sephiroth lies at the center of the crater.

[@MichaelAngeloLives]

I love the game, but it does feel like there's some serious padding with the amount of fights or random things you have to do. It always felt like they presented something important to the story and blocked it with three more hours of fights and side things you have to do for people. It was a bit frustrating towards the last three chapters, but the combat and characters are great, so it didn't ruin anything for me.

[@zeiters2055]

It also doesnt let you really experiment with the parties and character building systems because everything is confined to these linear dungeon/battle arenas. Midgar was linear in the original FFVII because it intended for you to get to the world map, then choose when you want to grind, apply different materias, weapons and so forth.

[@zeiters2055]

Terence Caron omg finding cat so cool

[@exogris]

You guys talking about hard bosses, have you done the secret boss challenge? That shit was hard!

[@johnonokes7967]

‘Best Road Rash there’s been in years’ .. tell me he’s wrong :)

[@ironborn4389]

Y'all gotsta get your lore right

[@masterofmastersmaster2991]

Preach!!!!!

[@ggstarwizzrd]

Thats it! I've developed a new recip- er materia!

[@DentonX12]

I don't know if im just too invested into the original ff7 but its hard to watch the references from other games being overlooked or unnoticed by these guys lol

[@Rhomagus]

For players of the original, in regards to Zack, they also got a "Who the fuck is this guy" moment during the Sephiroth induced flashback in the Northern Crater. So newcomers being confused about who Zack is was probably intentional. With that being said, newcomers were privy to more information than Zack's first introduction in the original as we see him directly referring to Cloud and carrying him. Players of the original didn't get to make that connection until they witnessed a hidden cutscene by going back to Nibelheim and examining the experimental holding cells. This cutscene does not occur if you just follow the plot of the main story. You have to have had the drive to go out of your way to go back to Nibelheim and revisit the base of the Shinra mansion. So it was really cool because it gave you context to who that was in the Sephiroth induced flashback, then all the pieces began to fit. But you couldn't come across it organically just by playing the game straight. The game never tells you to revisit the Shinra mansion or anything. You have to do this of your own accord. This being in the game the way it was served as the underpinning to Aerith's resurrection rumors.

[@AlejandroGonzalez-rz3ml]

Can Imran be a permanent member of kinda funny? i'm not sure if he's still temporary but god, he's so awesome knowing so much about the games he plays and noticing so many things.

[@AlejandroGonzalez-rz3ml]

@@colbyfreda5897 i've seen all the videos he's been on since he was laid off from his previous job, at first wasn't a fan because as you said he seemed very negative about games in general, but after a few episodes i started seeing him talk about what he liked about X games aside from just talking about the bad.... this is not at all the only video he's been positive, the thing is that i would say that he's more direct when talking about the things he doesn't like, while the rest of the team try to make their complains sound as neutral and unoffensive as possible, and i have no idea what you mean about "They already tried that and it went horribly".

[@n8tivesun673]

Please no; he speaks too robotic and has no personality.

[@rainingsnake8422]

As Maximillan Dood said, there are 4 levels of understanding this game. Currently I'm at 4 already.

[@JuicyJayAnderson]

I love that the game is officially off the beaten path by now and that we are all going to experience a new ff7 story. I don't get why people are so mad against the changes though. I mean, the original story is still there and available on every modern platform, that story is never going away. I just wish that we are done with the Whispers and time-travelling stuff now that the story is set on a new track. As a long time fan, this game has it all! 10/10

[@TheBleachj16]

People can be unhappy with how the changes are implemented.

[@Josh_H]

I haven't played the original game since 97 so I'm glad they did a short comparison.

[@jessaramos2992]

Good discussion and nice to see a mix of people who played the original vs newcomers to the game/franchise. Just a little frustrating to listen to a little as I thought perhaps some of you could have done your research a little more (some of your facts are all mixed up lol)...found some of the things some of you were saying a little perplexing as someone who’s played the original and knows the lore quite well. As for the “time” not making sense about the explosion at midgar...the way I interpreted it that when cloud and co “defeat fate” it causes a ripple affect through space and time which is why zack sees it in his timeline.

[@PSVRUNDERGROUND]

game is a 10/10 but the ending was such a bummer. If they drastically change the rest moving forward then RIP. I got nothing to lose here as I’ll always have the original and crisis core, but god damn this was a masterpiece minus the ending. I didn’t like how they shoehorned in sephiroth a lot more without building up to his epic reveal in the sequels.

[@roflrex]

From what I gathered is that the only real Sephiroth you interact with is the one at the very end at the edge of creation. Every other version, even the fight, were the tatoo'd reunion guys. So I think we have yet to experience the actual Sephiroth fight.

[@jessica2575]

I feel exactly the same if they made JENOVA the final boss it would have been amazing but nope it had to go crazy. I lost hope for this game because all the way through I was like everything feels right then bam just kidding alternate universes/timeline/possibly time travel and other crap I don’t care for. Also how lame if sephiroth is time traveling Nomura and others just copied Nomura’s idea from dream drop distance and we all know how bad that games story is.

[@PSVRUNDERGROUND]

Roflrex seems like Kitase went on record saying that the reason they included sephiroth so much is because he’s already an established villain, and wanted to include him more rather than the slow build up. This is imo the only thing that doing the episodic releases has messed up then. Sephiroth’s look isn’t what made him a great villain, it was the buildup and backstory first. I also don’t think they did it properly, the ending was confusing and convoluted to newcomers AND against purists wishes... having them just be the jenovas manifestations of the reunion guys would be fine though but need to more obviously be that.

[@PSVRUNDERGROUND]

mana269 yeah I haven’t lost complete hope yet just because of the bad ending though. That glimpse of the temple of the ancients and open world at shinra HQ was stunning, and at the very end they said it’s time to go after sephiroth so it’s kind of confusing. The ghosts to me were gonna be some way to alter the timeline which I thought would be cool as a side thing, I’m guessing because so many people wanted a way to save aerith, but after defeating that and the whole Biggs waking up, Zach being alive thing really just seems like poor,sloppy writing after what was just some of the most incredible writing I’ve ever seen in a video game. Crazy that they would risk that at the end after all the perfectly executed hard work they put into the rest.

[@jessica2575]

PSVR Underground I feel exactly same. So it hurts even more because they showed us all the they understand the original game but then nope we wanna take Sakaguchi’s story of grief and hope and turn into fan-fiction/fan servicey bs. I was all about the fan service they were giving us in the beginning but Zack being alive is a level of Kingdom Hearts fanservice crap I am not down with. We saw the same thing happen with Kingdom Heart as each game came they worse and more confusing story wise.

[@bobtista88]

I just got my first class edition today so hyped

[@Lauren-zx3gx]

This game is literally the first act in the first disc of the full game. Lol Also Tim, I think it makes perfect sense. The group isn’t exiting at the exact same timeline. The events unfolding aren’t parallel. They are entering at one point and exiting at another. For whatever reason Sephiroth sent them there.

[@ratchetman1193]

No one is going to mention the weird cat king thing they showed as the plate was coming down? What was that about? That was the most confusing part of the game!

[@twicered4745]

I always thought when cloud critically injured sephiroth he threw him down a mako well and he ended up in the life stream and because of that he gained some crazy new abilities and one of those was to take a few years to recreate a body and used his influence of the life stream to control people with jenova cells with the number tattoos. To finish what he needs to finish his body. So what cloud is seeing is reunion members being controlled by sephiroths soul spirit whatever.

[@Faizwellcomesyou]

Bless saying 'Jesus' makes perfect sense

[@maddoggnick96]

I finally beat the game after 55 hours. It’s an awesome game. I never played the original, but I know the story through watching FF7MA by TeamFourStar. There was no moment that “hit me,” but I liked the entire game. Funny enough, I kind of forgot a bunch of moments though, and some actually took me by surprise.