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[@jrcasselman]

Canadian history books always referred to the French Indian War as the Seven Years War. Mattea would have had a clear advantage here.

[@mr.timetraveler8784]

Not necessarily. Look at how many questions about American history Mattea answered that the American contestants didn't buzz in for. 😂

[@andrewklang809]

The category is about History, not American History. And therefore, speaking from firsthand experience in US public schools, ANYBODY relying on American school textbooks would be at a huge disadvantage about anything that happened outside of our borders. We might learn a little about Rome, a little about Shakespeare, a little about the French Revolution. But that's it. I do recall first hearing about the French and Indian War only in how it set up the American Revolution, and George Washington's rise to power. Prussia, the Louises of Bourbon, the Diplomatic Revolution, Catherine the Great, Cabinet Wars, didn't learn any of that until I got to college and started looking into stuff more independently.

[@acoupleofschoes]

@@mr.timetraveler8784 You're claiming she didn't have an advantage here by saying she wasn't disadvantaged in a different topic. That's a logical fallacy. Just because she knows America history doesn't mean her Canadian education didn't give her an edge with this question. As a product of the American education system, I've heard of the Seven Year War, know it was in Europe, and that's about it. I don't remember ever learning the French and Indian War was just a North American theater of a larger war.

[@edd06001]

True but it should still have been accepted. It's an American game show which means that the Americanized interpretation of it should still count. We were literally taught in 8th grade it was the french and indian war of 1763.

[@jrcasselman]

@@acoupleofschoes The clue was Winston Churchill "referred to this war". In Europe, the Seven Years War would have been referred to as the Seven Years War.

[@davesimms8825]

Growing up in Canada it was never referred to as the French and Indian war in history class and always was called the Seven Years war.

[@Andy-vt7sl]

Mattea is a very likable contestant. Keep up the great work!

[@junief1083]

Love Mattea's magnetic personality!

[@kenc2257]

So...you're 'attracted' to her personality?

[@kdaniel8721]

Mattea has such a broad knowledge!! A great ambassador for Canada! Funny, I was mentally encouraging her to bet only $1, and she did.

[@erikwsince1981]

That was perfectly played by Mattea. Well done!

[@SeismicLawns]

Understandable that folks would answer with F&I War, given that's what American History textbooks focus on. I did guess the Seven Years War, but was very unconfident in if that was the correct name. Great job Mattea!

[@stevevasta]

I'd heard of the War of 1763 (or F&I), but didn't realize it was part of a larger conflict.

[@davesimms8825]

Being from Canada she would have learned it as the 7 years war.

[@erickpoorbaugh6728]

I knew it was the global war that included the French and Indian War, and I thought that that war was the Seven Years War, but I wasn't certain, especially since there are other wars with similar names. Part of me thought that it would be better to guess the "French and Indian War" since I knew for a fact that it was that one, but I didn't think that name referred to the entire global conflict so I wasn't sure it would be accepted. In fact, I was more curious about whether they'd accept "What was the French and Indian War?" than I was about the question itself. Now I wonder whether Rachel or Adam knew that the global conflict was the Seven Years War but stuck to the name they knew better "to be safe."

[@user-ms3jz7ub7n]

Mattea is killing it!

[@masterdoge987]

This clue taught me one thing - namely, that the person who names wars after their length clearly did not graduate kindergarten.

[@TheMrJourneyer]

I just literally listened to Ken’s Omnibus podcast episode from December 2020 talking about why and how people named wars. People’s reasonings can be described as… odd and quirky at best.

[@andrewklang809]

@Private Citizen He was also half-American, on his mother's side. but he was a historian, and an all-around student of the classics. Whatever you can say about the man, or the system he grew up in, he understood Western reading. He wasn't going to call a European conflict by an inaccurate American name.

[@andrewklang809]

@Private Citizen Indeed, but France, Spain, and the Netherlands only joined in to try to grab lands or concessions from Britain while they were entangled with this colonial fiasco. But nobody since would argue that the war itself was based around the colonies' attempt to win independence. The history of France from 1778-1783 isn't called "That Time We Tried to Get Revenge On Perfidious Albion And it Mostly Didn't Work Out For Us and It Exacerbated Our Already-Terrible Financial Situation But At Least the New United States Became Independent and That Was Totally Our Rationale For Getting Involved In This War Because We Could Already Look Forward To The First World War So Victoire!". The Dutch call it the "Fourth Anglo-Dutch War" (or Dutch translated equivalent), but it went poorly for them so whatever. The US won the War of American Independence, and Spain did OK too, but France and the Netherlands were worse off, while, arguable, the United Kingdom might have been better off, having been shorn of its colonial burden while still maintaining long-standing trade ties with their now-independent brethren (who, again looking into the crystal ball, were VERY useful in BOTH World Wars). And, as always, every time the Europeans fought, the Native Americans lost. The American Revolution doomed so many of them. What little protection London was willing to offer them evaporated. They were alone on the continent with a rapidly-growing and land-hungry future world superpower.

[@jessicaclark7130]

A lot of people didn’t graduate Kindergarten back then haha

[@digitalfortress1786]

They did, because of Hundred Years War..

[@rating9392]

Bam nailed it 😁. I feel for the other Contestants, though, an American with a little history knowledge would always answer French and Indian War. Only those who open their knowledge to World History and not just American History would get 7 years War.

[@commandZee]

An extremely important war that few know about. Learning about the Seven Years War will change your contextual view of the American Revolutionary War.

[@mr.timetraveler8784]

The Revolutionary War was only 140 years before and that's the only one I could think of. That and the French and Indian War. 😕

[@alansmith6376]

Being a history teacher has its advantages. Nailed it.

[@theastewart6721]

She is awesome!! Well done from someone who is old enough to be your grandmother! Wishing you all the best!!🤗🤗

[@judithmoore7892]

I’m thinking the reason the French & Indian War was ruled incorrect is because the clue said "Churchill called this war." Churchill wouldn’t have used the American name. I knew what they were going for, but didn’t remember the name.

[@andrewklang809]

The French and Indian War is distinctly defined as only a single theater in a wider war, including such monumental effects as: 1. The survival of Prussia, as the future center of a united German Empire/Third Reich/Republic of Germany 2. The British securing their position as dominant European power in India, ejecting the French and, more importantly, French-allied Indian princes. After the 7YW, Britain was not just the dominant European country in India, they were one of the strongest powers in India period. That led directly to their later conquest of the subcontinent. 3. The surrender of French Canada to Britain, meaning the birth of modern Canada and modern Quebec within Canada. 4. The near-bankrupcy of the French state, which led to short-term financial reforms that only exacerbated deeply-entrenched faults in the French economy and society yada yada French Revolution. 5. While Russia did overall pretty poorly in the war, the experience did provide for increased Russian and Austrian dominance over Poland-Lithuania (how else could Russian troops reach Berlin?) so that Poland-Lithuania became isolated and could be easily partitioned in the coming decades. A major European power wiped off the map in about twenty years, swallowed up by its three feuding neighbors. 6. And yes, the financial expenses of the war led British lawmakers to impose increased taxation on its American colonies, combined with the end of the French threat in North America yada yada The United States happens. Pretty big war, is what I'm saying. A lot more going on then George Washington fighting a bunch of "French and Indians".

[@askylibrarianoftheoceans4102]

The other issue is that the French & Indian War was only a small part of a greater conflict. In South America they'd call it either the Fantastic War (for some reason) or the First Cevallos Expedition, for example; or, in India it'd be known as the Bengal War or the Carnatic Wars

[@nicoleknight9412]

I blew it . I said the 30 Years War.

[@erickpoorbaugh6728]

​@@askylibrarianoftheoceans4102 Which is a problem since the French and Indian War was so much more important to Americans than the rest of the conflict, so it's less a question of identifying the war and more a question of knowing which terminology to use for the war as a whole, which does not make a good Final Jeopardy clue. It wasn't technically wrong, but it was a bit of a "trick question" for Americans, just as if they'd used this clue on an Indian version of Jeopardy and counted "Bengal War" as incorrect. If you have to spend more time thinking about how to word your response than about the substance of the question (and the category isn't specifically wordplay-related), it's a bad clue.

[@TomWatsonB1]

Got it right. Thought about it for a second and realized exactly what Ken said.

[@kylehome8818]

Ken is a living legend.

[@JonesDylan874]

Mattea's got potential.

[@josephwolosz2522]

There seems to be controversy surrounding the correct question. I feel Churchill would recognize the Seven Years War. Americans would recognize The French and Indian War. All of this was a big powerplay between the British,French and even Spain to a smaller degree. They all had stake in land within the American continents. Rich with fur, tobacco,cotton and so much more. And just a few years later the Revolutionary War was also a global conflict. But American Citizens wanted the right to have a say in the matter on who exactly governs the country. The War of 1812 was an even larger conflict. Now Russia was involved. Napoleon invaded. British,French,American and South Americans were disputing over shipping routes to and from Europe. Pirates and Privateers were blockading the Carribean and stealing cargo to sell to England or France. So all three should get another chance to return for another show.

[@erickpoorbaugh6728]

As an American, I've only heard the term "French and Indian War" used to refer to the North American theater in particular, and not to the fighting in Europe and other parts of the world. IMO, even in America, if you're referring to the global conflict, it's the "Seven Years War." The tricky part comes from the fact that the French and Indian War is taught a lot more in American schools than the Seven Years War as a whole, which is understandable given that it was a major war that gained the Thirteen Colonies a lot of territory and also played a critical role in the origins of the American Revolution. Also, I suspect that many textbooks briefly mention that the war included fighting in Europe but don't mention the name "Seven Years War." That said, I'd agree that it wasn't the best clue given the naming issue. While there were hints that "French and Indian War" wasn't the best wording (framing the clue from Winston Churchill's perspective and focusing on the global nature of the conflict), there was still too much ambiguity about whether "French and Indian War" would be acceptable as a synonym. Still, the only effect it had on the outcome was giving Rachel second place instead of Adam for a $1000 swing (Mattea's correct answer put her out of reach either way), so I don't know that it's worth having a do-over. They should probably just take this as a lesson to be more careful about culture-specific terminology in the future.

[@dhruvdath1815]

As a Canadian like Mattea, as long as you have a basic understanding of Canadian history, this question would be fairly simple

[@mkewl209]

Even in American schools, we mostly learn it as the French and Indian War. Wasn't until AP history did I learn it was bigger than I thought.

[@antoniochemello]

Ya this was simple question, thought it’s common knowledge among people who know a decent amount abt history that there’s a whole debate this was the first truly global war. Never mind it’s significant impacts on the Western world

[@meb212]

Took me a second but I very proudly got this one before anyone else in my family

[@ruthiemay423]

Mattea reminds me of a t-rex when she waves her little hands around with elbows glued to her sides.

[@ianbrewer4843]

Well done Mattae

[@starwarzfan71]

I thought Caligula would mentioned in the reign of error category but I guess due to the fact they mentioned nero it’d be like one question being what prime number is between 12 and 14 and another question being what prime number is before 17. Caligula and nero were practically clones the only major differences were Caligula was assassinated, nero committed suicide, nero was popular among the working class Caligula was popular among nobody

[@andrewklang809]

The French and Indian War. So close, and yet so American. I'm beating the same drum, but seriously, a North American colonial war can't be a WORLD war. Unless it was only a small part of one. Like the Second Sino-Japanese War was a huge war, and so was "The Great Patriotic War". But they weren't world wars. The world war was the war that encompassed those enormous conflicts, and much more.

[@Psychonaut316]

Except that this “colonial war” as you called it was more than just in North America, also being fought in the Caribbean, but most of the ground battles took place between the imperial powers of Russia, including Spain, Russia, Prussia, Sweden, Austria, and Saxony.

[@SimsHacks]

Got it! So happy.

[@officialSgtPepperArc360]

The *EXACT* same wagering situation happened at the end of Season 37.

[@sarysa]

Somehow dumb-luck guessed it...never knew the Seven Years' War was considered a world war. I thought the world war(s) before WWI were the Napoleonic Wars but knew the time frame was too far off to be right.

[@kennygr8ify]

Even if Adam responded correctly and tied with Mattea's score, Mattea would have still bet the dollar to keep her victory WITHOUT a tiebreaker clue and Adam, who I thought played very well found all three Daily Doubles and when he was at $400, he could've bet the maximum which is $1,000 and then at clue three he would have been at $2,200 and doubled it and at clue 27, he would have been at $6,800 and instead of betting $5,000, it may be a big bet towards the last clue, but a True Daily Double was necessary and then he would have ended up with $12,800, and his Daily Double score would have been $10,000 altogether. In my opinion, no time for a tiebreaker clue or having half of a champ who is on an IMPRESSIVE streak's score in this case. One more thing I forgot to mention is that if Adam bet correctly on the Jeopardy! round Daily Double and doubled his score at clue 27, the scores would be like this: Mattea Rachel Adam $20,400 $8,000 $12,800 with twelve correct responses including three Daily Doubles and three responses wrong and Daily Double gain should have been $10,000.

[@keara.ls3]

Damn, she just can’t be stopped!

[@kali3665]

I was thinking the American Civil War, actually. Churchill was also an expert on the Civil War, and supposedly FDR was often tickled when Churchill corrected a statement FDR made about the Civil War. Considering how the Confederates were trying to get aid from Europe, the War might have been worse than even it turned out to be.

[@carr0760]

The Civil war was only 50 years before WWI though, and the clue said 150. I actually thought it was the American Revolution because multiple countries were involved in that, and it led to conflicts between England and others as well. I knew it probably wasn't right because it was more like 140 years, but I couldn't think of any other war from that time.

[@kali3665]

@@carr0760 True - I didn't think of that, and the English Civil War didn't really qualify either.

[@JH-ti3lr]

Got this from watching History of the entire world, i guess. 🙂

[@CharlesLumia]

Got it!

[@mr.timetraveler8784]

Seven Years War! I knew it! 😭 My mind kept telling me it was the Thirteen Years War, even though that was in the 1400's. 😂😭

[@josephoshea1442]

I think you mean, "The Hundred Years War" for the 14th-15th century conflict between England and France.

[@quintinmeyers1644]

she’s awesome. i think the $1 wager here was a bit of a blunder though. she risked losing instead of going for the guaranteed tie over nothing. if you bet, you should go big here. congrats to her extended streak

[@jeffreyprugpichailers7116]

The rules were recently changed, if two contestants end tied, they don't both come back. There's a single tiebreaker clue to decide a winner.

[@carr0760]

If she had bet big and been wrong, the 3rd place person could have beaten her. This bet guaranteed that only one person even had a chance. It was the smart move.

[@erickpoorbaugh6728]

The strategically optimal bet for her was anything from $1 to $4,399, as that would be enough to beat a double-up from 2nd if she was right and also beat a double-up from 3rd if she was wrong. What bet you should select in that range is purely a question of confidence and risk aversion. Her bet of $1 was very conservative, but still strategically optimal.

[@gabesmith9171]

Dang she is smart🙌🙌

[@ItsPickaxe]

She's dominant to advance on ToC i believe

[@WheatShaw]

I LOVE IT!

[@pockylovingranger]

Knew it had to be the Seven Years War, only cause I recently finished Assassin’s Creed Rogue again recently xD

[@stukay2803]

Arrrrrgh dammit! I flipped a coin between the Seven Years' War and the War of the Austrian Succession.

[@DarkDennis1961]

Proud to say I nailed it. Proud, I tell ya!

[@josephoshea1442]

Considering that, as even Ken Jennings admitted, the French and Indian War was the North American part of the Seven Years' War - the part which made a European conflict a truly global war - it should have been accepted as a correct response. Ultimately, it would have made no difference in this game's outcome though.

[@christiankrenek7689]

I don’t know. Wouldn’t that kind of be like saying the battles of the Pacific Theater during World War Two were their own “wars?”

[@waylonbedlam792]

That was only one aspect of the war, though.

[@carr0760]

No. The French and Indian War was just part of the 7 Years War. The names are not interchangeable because they don't refer to the same thing. It would be like answering "Ontario" when asked for the name of the country to the north of the USA. Ontario is part of Canada but they aren't the same thing.

[@ser132]

the war was also fought in South America, Asia, & Africa, so no, one theatre in a conflict that encompassed far more than just Europe and USA should not be considered the whole war. That would be like asking a question like which war took place in the 1940s, and allowing the Asia/Pacific war as the answer, instead of WWII. A/P war was only one theatre in a much larger war.

[@johngreen6783]

Should have accepted all three of those. The French and Indian war was the name given to the Seven Years War by those living in the 13 Colonies. It’s the same war; they just called it by a different name

[@andrewklang809]

The French and Indian War started two years before the Seven Years War, and quickly turned into a sideshow of a conflict that spanned North America, Europe (obviously, its center), and India.

[@johngreen6783]

But the term “French and Indian” doesn’t refer to a “theater” of the war, like the Pacific Theater of WWII or the Trans-Mississippi in the American Civil War. It was the name the colonists gave to the war itself.

[@andrewklang809]

@@johngreen6783 And it is a name that is only of significance to the colonists, not to historians at large. It's different than simply translating "Seven Years War" into German or Russian or whatever. The French and Indian War started two years earlier, based on British and French colonial border frictions that had absolutely nothing to do with what set off the greater war, namely the Austro-French-Russian coalition to take down Frederick the Great's Prussia, and Britain's desire to maintain the balance of power in Europe by siding with Prussia against its enemies. It did not start off as a British-French conflict. There was no conflict in India between these two colonial powers, or direct conflict between their centers of power in Europe. A tiny, routine, arguably insignificant dust-up in the sparsely-populated North American holdings of these two powers did not lead to the greater war. Instead, it was absorbed into it. The Seven Years War IS the war. Without it, the colonial conflict likely wouldn't have led to much of anything. We'll never know, but it's pretty clear that localized conflict wouldn't have led to France losing Canada and Louisiana both, let alone most of its holding in India, its financial security, and everything else that came out of this unprecedentedly vast conflict.

[@carr0760]

@@johngreen6783 and yet, it does. If you look up the French and Indian War you will read that it was "a theatre of the 7 years war."

[@johngreen6783]

Nice try. A couple of skirmishes in 1754 and 1755 doesn’t amount to a war. When fighting broke out in earnest in 1756 it became the French and Indian War and they were quite aware it was a global conflict. They weren’t the ignorant simpletons you make them up to be

[@thatpantransguy]

How the frack did they miss that???!!! 🤦🏽‍♂️ it’s basic elementary school history!

[@erickpoorbaugh6728]

Because it was the same overall conflict, but American schools almost exclusively discuss the French and Indian War because of the vital role it played in setting up the American Revolution. At least for Americans, it wasn't just a question of knowing which war it was but also knowing that the much more common (in America) term "French and Indian War" only refers to the North American theater of the war.

[@chadho9701]

7 years war is correct, mattea roach is a 6 day of $168,401. Congratulations 🎉

[@countalucard4226]

Don’t get her bet. She could of safely bet a lot more.

[@stopandthink3479]

Game theory can be interesting. She needs to make that decision without any knowledge of what the second place player was going to do. Betting a dollar guarantees her a win so long as she answers correctly, regardless of whether he answered correctly or not. It also guarantees her a win if they both answer incorrectly. She would also win if she answered incorrectly, the 2nd place player answered correctly and the 2nd place player did not bet it all. Now looking at the 2nd place player, the only way he can win is if he answers correctly and she answers incorrectly. There was no other way for him to win. But, he might have decided not to bet it all in the hopes of securing a 2nd place win in the event that all 3 got it wrong. So let's say he bet everything except $5. In the end, he got it right, she got it wrong but he was $4 short of her score because she only bet $1. She would still win even though she got it wrong. Betting only a dollar gave her the additional opportunity to still win if he didn't bet it all. She could have bet $0, which would have meant that she could not have lost final jeopardy no matter what and would have won if he got it wrong, but it also meant that if he got it right, there would have been a tie, regardless of how she answered. She would then have to win the tie breaker. So betting $0 didn't make sense either. All things considered, the $1 bet gave her the best probability of winning, given that she didn't know what the 2nd place person would do. The idea that she could safely bet more than $1 is predicated on the notion that the 2nd place person was going to bet it all. In game theory that is exactly what you would have expected them to do, but for that reason, the 2nd place person might have not actually bet it all. With the dollar bet, the only way she could have lost was if all three of the following things happened. 1) She answered incorrectly 2) He answered correctly 3) He bet it all. Given all that, the $1 bet wasn't really a bad decision. But don't worry about her. I got a funny feeling her winning streak is far from over. In fact, as I write this she has already won more money.

[@countalucard4226]

@@stopandthink3479 you have the perfect username!

[@stopandthink3479]

@@countalucard4226 Thanks. It is really meant to remind me not to make any insulting or nasty comments. There is too much of that already. A reminder to "Stop and Think" before I say something I will regret.

[@noumonmunir5047]

what a shame ....the answer was correct but it cannot be accepted

[@tugboat2030]

Would they have accepted the War of Austrian Succession?

[@Maazin5]

My guess too. But technically a different conflict from a few years earlier

[@johngreen6783]

No. That one ended in 1748 - 8 years earlier

[@andrewklang809]

No, that was an earlier war that directly led to the European part of the Seven Years War.

[@robertzeitz3924]

Wars have multiple names. This is unnecessary pedantry.

[@nitab1971]

All I knew was the British were all caught up with the French whilst the Colonies were nipping at them across the sea. They were over stretched. Guess it was for 7 years!

[@phoenix0401]

Rejecting French and Indian war was just bad judgment. In common American vernacular the two are identical. (Not that it mattered a ton.)

[@carr0760]

They are not identical to the rest of the world.

[@phoenix0401]

@@carr0760 it’s an American show played by Americans.

[@carr0760]

@@phoenix0401 it's not the right answer. Period. The French and Indian waR is PART of the 7 Years War. They are not the same thing. If I asked you what country is to the north of the USA, "Ontario" would not be the correct answer despite it being part of Canada. Also, it is not exclusively played by Americans. For example, Mattea is Canadian. Hence, she got the right answer; the rest of the world learns history properly.

[@phoenix0401]

@@carr0760 But “hood” is accepted for piece of a car that covers the engine when for much of the English speaking world it’s a “bonnet.” “Sneakers” would be accepted but “runners” is doubtful. American versions are always accepted - except in this case.

[@carr0760]

@@phoenix0401 those are synonyms. The "French and Indian War" is not synonymous with the "Seven Years War." The former is part of the latter, but they are not the same. To use your other examples...it would be like insisting that "laces" or "sole" is interchangeable with "sneakers," or that "hood" is interchangeable with "car."

[@trojanpony]

Ehhh I feel like on an American game show, French & Indian War should have been an acceptable answer there.

[@davidellis5141]

🙅🏻 - I didn't know ! 😠 😡

[@mr.timetraveler8784]

I was close! 😭

[@davidellis5141]

@@mr.timetraveler8784 The Contestants could have appealed as they weren't wrong , just not precise enough.

[@ashleelarsen5002]

War of the roses

[@davidellis5141]

@@ashleelarsen5002 I'll be bringing you a 🌹 & 🍫.

[@andrewklang809]

@@davidellis5141 Ken said "I'm sorry, we can't accept that", meaning the judges already anticipated that answer and considered it incorrect. Sometimes, minor deviations are acceptable, but not if they're ruled out ahead of time. And The French and Indian War isn't a substitute for the Seven Years War any more than "The Western Front" isn't a substitution for World War One.

[@vercingetorix3414]

Come on! The French and Indian war WAS the Seven Years War, just as the Russian Great Patriotic War WAS the Second World War. It just has a different name in the US. In Canada the French and Indian War IS called The Seven Years War. Why the discrimination against American terminology. Both those guys got the correct answer, they were using the American name for that conflict. Shame on Jeopardy for anti American usage.

[@stukay2803]

Yet the question cites a half-American Englishman. Siding with the writers on this one.

[@carr0760]

Incorrect. The French and Indian War was a theatre of the 7 Years War. They are not the same thing. The former is part of the latter.

[@NoniBose]

omg can they bring Mayim back? ken is the worst!