FINAL REVIEW: E-flite Cirrus SR22T 1.5m

[@larryclarke2119]

The absolute best RC plane channel on KZbin.

[@enzok6414]

Nicely done guys! Applause to HH for bringing this bird back. It has become the best civilian plane to fly in my collection.

[@KaktusGX]

I saw this on bazar, and it's almost perfect. Plus, friend of my dad has this in reality.

[@richardfinnegan1252]

Love. This plan, it is one of the best prop plane out there.

[@pamkey5621]

3:37- “representation of what the real one flys like” -Proceeds to fly it inverted

[@RCPlaneAddict]

Great job Jon. Your an amazing pilot. Just to note, Horizon is now attaching an addendum sheet for the new cg at about 53mm, and that is where is balance my battery. It flies like a dream. Thanks for sharing.

[@TwoBrosRC]

That's what mine said too - but I wanted to test out moving the CG further back to see how that helped or hindered flight performance. Thanks man!

[@dogfoodking]

Nice video guys.... love the flat spin.

[@looneytunes47]

Yeah your flaps are set alittle extreme Jon if your buddy there had a little more throttle he woulda landed just fine otherwise. and Thanks So much for always showing your hands on the sticks while your making manuvers and stunts, that helps a whole bunch on helping people learn faster....its a challenging hobby and thats why i love it so much

[@KB_RC]

Nice Jon! Man now I can’t decide if I want this or the Turbo Timber Evo for Oshkosh lol! Thanks! Great video! You do some crazy things with that SR22!

[@TwoBrosRC]

The answer is "it depends on what you want to do" - 3D maneuvers will be more possible on the Turbo Evo. Scale with limited 3D will be possible on the Cirrus.

[@KB_RC]

@@TwoBrosRC Yes… mainly just want something for Oshkosh but either one would be perfect!!! Won’t be doing much 3D flying there. If I get the Evo it will be for STOL flying. Actually, yeah I’m sticking with the Evo! I want a float plane again finally! Lol.

[@leomiliades7341]

Subscribed! Thank you for the education guys - I like the idea showing the transmitter moves vs the actual plane - great idea for some of us to learn.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Good to have you onboard! We've largely stopped doing that lately - it's only something we'll be doing for tutorial videos going forward.

[@old-rcplane-phart]

Go up higher than normal into a hammer head. AS you start the turn, hit reverse. 3/4 to full throttle full ailerons. 2 or so spins get OUT of reverse. It feels strange, but looks really cool! Granted, its coolER on the ultimate 3d bipe! 😁

[@mattcook5302]

I have 0 complaints with mine.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Not many here either.

[@mattcook5302]

Other than the servos, even that didn't really bother me.

[@itzjoeylo4501]

Mine just shipped on Thursday

[@TwoBrosRC]

📦

[@FFE-js2zp]

Good flight demo. I dunno, $300 seems steep for an efficient cross country cruiser. I guess 1.5m is a little bigger than some, which adds some value. Usually XC cruisers have some wing reflex to reduce the negative lift requirement from the elevator, that way they can make the elevator a little smaller. I’m guessing horizon missed that subtle airfoil detail, so the elevator would become too small for the wing area. You might be able to put some reflex back into the airfoil if the flaps and ailerons will all deflect up a degree or two. Basically, adding a smidge of reflex is going to make the plane a little more “flying wing” and a little less tail config. It’ll probable help your knife edge instability since the wing itself, rather than the tail, will help control the lift pitch moment.

[@TwoBrosRC]

I have it set up for crow so I can adjust how much the ailerons pitch up at any point. That's an interesting idea.

[@FFE-js2zp]

@@TwoBrosRC You could make it adjustable, or I was thinking you could hardwire it. It would be less risky to make it switchable/adjustable. It looks like the flaps are hinged like fowlers on a single channel, but can you deflect them up at all with negative subtrim or by adjusting pushrod length or clevis/ball joint position? It wouldn’t take much. Maybe 2 degrees.

[@FFE-js2zp]

@@TwoBrosRC Missing airfoil reflex also explains why Tony ran out of elevator authority in the flare endgame. Basically, both the horizontal stab and elevator are close to scale, which becomes too small for a less aerodynamically sophisticated model’s wing, so it relies a little too much on airspeed to counter the natural pitch-down moment of a cambered wing. You can see the airplane pivots around the lateral axis too easily, basically all the time. That also squares with it wanting to pitch forward in a slow knife edge and backward in a fast knife edge. It’s just a minor design flaw with Horizon not understanding that these high speed civil XC cruisers are set up like a hybrid Flying Wing/Tail Config airplane to reduce tail size, tail weight, tail negative lift, and elevator induced drag, too squeeze out knots.

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@FFE-js2zp That's absolutely fascinating. I'll have to remember that for the next flight. Thanks man!

[@tughillrc6327]

Enjoyed the honest review and will consider purchasing it if it goes on sell. The question I have is would this be in the top 10 planes you would want to fly? ( Be Honest )👍👍

[@TwoBrosRC]

Top 10 of every airplane out there? Definitely not - there's a lot of things I want to fly and this one doesn't top the list of the top 10 I'd like to fly most. That isn't to say that I don't enjoy it - I rather do, actually.

[@tughillrc6327]

@@TwoBrosRC Thanks, I own 60 planes already not sure I want to add this to my hanger

[@flyingfools47]

I've found that the Cirrus actually does excellent knife edge spins if you use full left rudder instead of right rudder, as well as full forward elevator and full left aileron. I've only done this with the recommended CG, I haven't tried it with the CG further back

[@TwoBrosRC]

Wonder why that would be the case. We'll have to remember to try it the next time we take it up.

[@flyingfools47]

@@TwoBrosRC My rudder throws aren't nearly as high as yours, so if it doesn't work with your throws I would experiment with using smaller left rudder inputs. I also use full power during the KE spin forgot to mention that

[@LoveRC]

Did you move the ESC? My plane rolls right when you balance the tail and nose cone. I had to trim it left. Thinking of moving the ESC or taping a coin on the left wing.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Nope, no movement was made.

[@LoveRC]

@@TwoBrosRC it’s bizarre that it is unbalanced.

[@jared6072]

Man im torn between the eflite rv7 and cirrus. Both your reviews of them made them look like alot of fun to fly. After flying them both, which would you have when it comes to fun factor?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Honestly, I wouldn't mind having another RV-7 just to make it reverse hover again. That trick was friggin' congress, man. Loved it. The Cirrus is more graceful and honestly more enjoyable to fly and land, and the KE spins it does are way more interesting. It really just comes down to personal preference. I'd stick with the Cirrus if I had to choose.

[@mattoprc]

Excellent camera job! What model of camcorder do you use? I think your channel is undervalued, you have high quality content!

[@TwoBrosRC]

This was shot using an iPhone 13 Pro. Thanks!

[@williewonka1970]

Inverted flat spins are cool to do with this plane...just be aware that sometimes it doesn't come out of it...unless you chop the throttle.

[@djr01974]

Hi did you upgrade the servos on this? Do you a recommend metal servo for this

[@TwoBrosRC]

tinyurl.com/B11DLS servos are what we used. The maiden vid covered the setup info.

[@Truthstillmatters2]

If I’m interested in precision aerobatics and no 3d, would you recommend this plane or the Eflite extra 300?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Not really, no. It's a scale aircraft, not really an aerobat in the slightest. You can make it perform aerobatics, but a purpose-built plane like the E-flite Extra 300 will always outperform it.

[@MrDOZA28]

Would you recommend this as an option for a first low wing? I started flying 6 months ago with a Maule and i`m now looking at my next plane as im starting to do basic Aero moves. I like the looks of this one.

[@TwoBrosRC]

It's definitely docile enough to be a great low wing experience for your first foray into it. Definitely comes highly recommended! Just be careful to make sure the wings are level when you bring it in to land so you don't scrape up the wingtips. If you do, you can patch over any scrapes using white electrical tape - which itself works as fantastic foam armor. You can pick one up via bit.ly/3AouT9Z if you'd like to support us.

[@MrDOZA28]

@@TwoBrosRC Excellent. 👍 Thanks for the tip on the landings 👌

[@Streetreaper89]

@ 14:00 time he mentioned turbo timber evo elevator came loose and crashed just same thing happen to me.

[@Angelo-dj7fs]

Hi, I'm Angelo.. Can you show me how calculate the center of gravity, And how to mark the exact points on the wings?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Google "RC plane center of gravity" and you'll have the info you need.

[@memcrew1]

A wing will drop in a stall, if the stall is not coordinated(correct rudder input) that’s how it’s taught and performed in full scale. If you apply the correct rudder(coordinated) the wing will not drop in a stall. It will stall straight ahead.

[@TwoBrosRC]

I'm not 100% sold on that given the tendency of foam aircraft to fly similar but distinct from their full scale counterparts.

[@memcrew1]

@@TwoBrosRC that would be a good experiment, besides the physics of aerodynamics wouldn’t change.

[@thermzilla1453]

Just got mine all set up and bound to my NX6. Everyrhing works perfect on it except the rudder/front wheel only gives very minimal throw. The plane won't even turn on the ground with full rudder. The nose gear is connected properly and turns the servo and the rudder all the way in both directions but will not turn with full rudder applied on TX. Anyone have any ideas?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Check your rates and make sure the servo is moving fully. If it isn't, replace the servo.

[@anthonypkaiser]

If you had to pick one plane. Sr22t , Commander or Turbo timber evo?

[@TwoBrosRC]

We fortunately don't have to pick, but it would be the Timber because there's more aero and 3D possibilities with it.

[@anthonypkaiser]

@@TwoBrosRC thank you and I enjoy your reviews.

[@JPh35]

Hello brothers. Did you try to fly with New Kavan Bristell B23 ? Similar plane and size. Honestly, what are the low points of this Cirrus ? And the higher ones ? JPh. France

[@TwoBrosRC]

We've never flown that model - but the low point of this model is that it can be tricky to land well, but is otherwise well built and looks fantastic and flies the part too.

[@JPh35]

@@TwoBrosRC hello brothers. >> Tricky to Land? Usually, with good rate of flaps it is easy and help to Land, no? Flaps are on inter 3 positions or knub button ? Knub is top cause you can choice your own level of activation, appropriate with conditions of wind and speed plane. For taking off and landing phases. What about the assembly of wings on the field? Screw is necessary, correct? That could be a Bad point. Thks for your reading. JPh (France)

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@JPh35 We said "tricky to land well", not "tricky to land" - the difference being that gentle landings can be tricky. Wing assembly is not difficult at all.

[@h2osmokey]

I have the version that has blue cabin color. Is it the same aircraft?

[@TwoBrosRC]

It's basically the same.

[@dalezesiger9873]

Sir. I very much enjoyed your video on this SR22. Mine just arrived, and I am wanting to emulate your servo swap; however, I cannot find a metal gear servo anywhere that will work for the rudder/nose gear. No one has a sub micro with a dual control horn. I did update and reset the AR637TA to open stock, so I should be able to use any suitable metal sub micro, preferably in 13 gram. Thanks for any help you can offer! Dale

[@TwoBrosRC]

We use tinyurl.com/B11DLS servos. Check our maiden review for the info on installing them.

[@dalezesiger9873]

@@TwoBrosRC Thank you for the reply. I have been trying to find the maiden review...guess I'm too dumb to find it!

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@dalezesiger9873 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mai2ZHenopmJoLM

[@dalezesiger9873]

@@TwoBrosRC Yeah, I have that video. It is the one I have been watching. Guess I got the impression there was another one that shows what servos you installed (and how)... I checked the link you sent me, and I am a little confused because those servos are micro, not sub micro. I made that mistake before and could not get them to fit. So sorry for the trouble, but I was really impressed with your setup. Thanks!

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@dalezesiger9873 the servos we linked will fit after sanding them down slightly to fit into the pockets they're meant for. It takes a few moments.

[@micheleg9492]

Hi I hope you can help me the rudder rate and steering it’s to low for me I did the setup by the book it’s that normal ?. I believe you have more control as I can see any tips ? Elevator aileron are ok

[@TwoBrosRC]

You might have to unlock the receiver and reprogram it - that way you can get 150% travel. Our Cirrus was modified with new servos before we flew it. The info is in this vid: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mai2ZHenopmJoLM

[@shanehoule9477]

Awsum

[@RichieRich980215]

Hi Jon, on my NX8 I can’t find the Audio event for Forward Trust & Reverse Trust. Is that because you have a Specktum IE 20? Also how do you delete a Audio event on a switch? Thank in advance Jon! 👍

[@TwoBrosRC]

IX radios use Android text to speech for callouts - you'd have to find a pre-made macro in the audio events section of your radio to get something similar. The manual should have the info regarding removing events.

[@alfredmcdaniels639]

What transmitter are you using?

[@TwoBrosRC]

IX20SE

[@Hughejazshole]

Is it faster than the evo timber

[@TwoBrosRC]

Absolutely.

[@JPVegas]

Why the gloves? Just curious..

[@TwoBrosRC]

Keeps my sweaty hands from slipping off the transmitter in the summer heat.

[@enriquech4041]

By the way you use your radio, I guess you change gimbals a lot¡¡¡ LOL

[@TwoBrosRC]

Uhh, nope. We're still on the same set after nearly two years of constant use.

[@Angelo-dj7fs]

I'm sorry my friend, but I can't find anything satisfying

[@TwoBrosRC]

Sorry to hear that.